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Re: Richmond a team in turmoil: Caro (Age)
« Reply #15 on: May 23, 2014, 09:35:49 AM »
My mail from unbiased neutral observers is this
We don't train nearly as hard as other clubs - fact
After round 1 loss .major issues surfaced between playing group and coach
- fact
Dimma says yesterday that it's a family and keep it in house .well why are players complaining to the managers after Round 1
No one really knows what is said behind close doors although it's fair to assume that what was said and how there playing means the players have fallen out with coach
You cannot play this bad for no reason

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Re: Richmond a team in turmoil: Caro (Age)
« Reply #16 on: May 23, 2014, 11:01:42 AM »
OK I'm now starting to find sensationalizing from the media ridiculous. As soon as Richmond lose a few games all of a sudden everything is being questioned, everything is wrong, everything is failing, everything we have done up until now is a mistake and all of our list are over rated and failures. Come on!  :huh3

Yes, we've had a bad start to the season and yes our game plan and some of our players have been found out by the opposition but the situation is not irreconcilable. :chickenlittle

All we need to do is start winning the contested ball, change our stoppage set ups and reclaim our confidence and we will turn the season around. Maric will play a big part in this as will Miles (if he ever plays :banghead). Its our midfield that is getting beaten and the way our forward-line is functioning as a result. If we can start by focusing on winning the ball and moving it out of the additional congestion we will start winning games.

Sadly though, finals can no longer be a realistic goal this year regardless of how quick we turn things around imo

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Re: Richmond a team in turmoil: Caro (Age)
« Reply #17 on: May 23, 2014, 11:09:20 AM »
OK I'm now starting to find sensationalizing from the media ridiculous. As soon as Richmond lose a few games all of a sudden everything is being questioned, everything is wrong, everything is failing, everything we have done up until now is a mistake and all of our list are over rated and failures. Come on!  :huh3

Yes, we've had a bad start to the season and yes our game plan and some of our players have been found out by the opposition but the situation is not irreconcilable. :chickenlittle

All we need to do is start winning the contested ball, change our stoppage set ups and reclaim our confidence and we will turn the season around. Maric will play a big part in this as will Miles (if he ever plays :banghead). Its our midfield that is getting beaten and the way our forward-line is functioning as a result. If we can start by focusing on winning the ball and moving it out of the additional congestion we will start winning games.

Sadly though, finals can no longer be a realistic goal this year regardless of how quick we turn things around imo

If we changed all those things you talk about does the list at Richmond win a flag in the next 3 years? The answer is no.

The problem is we have to many hacks at Richmond especially those brought in from other clubs some of whom are on very decent money. The club could have taken this money and pooled it to try and get an A grader but instead they got us 4 "D" grade players. The whole philosophy of the place is up poo creek. We are never going to be a successful football club again having this administration in place. They are just a group of people down their just looking to protect each others backs and each others jobs. Its a stuffing joke.

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Re: Richmond a team in turmoil: Caro (Age)
« Reply #18 on: May 23, 2014, 11:33:06 AM »
Would reckon ramps is on the money
What does Dimma.Choco .Blair .Max Bailey .Wilbur Williams .Troy Chaplin .Matt Thomas .Ross Smith have in common ?
They have all previous worked .played or been associated with Dimma
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Re: Richmond a team in turmoil: Caro (Age)
« Reply #19 on: May 23, 2014, 11:42:48 AM »
OK I'm now starting to find sensationalizing from the media ridiculous. As soon as Richmond lose a few games all of a sudden everything is being questioned, everything is wrong, everything is failing, everything we have done up until now is a mistake and all of our list are over rated and failures. Come on!  :huh3

Yes, we've had a bad start to the season and yes our game plan and some of our players have been found out by the opposition but the situation is not irreconcilable. :chickenlittle

All we need to do is start winning the contested ball, change our stoppage set ups and reclaim our confidence and we will turn the season around. Maric will play a big part in this as will Miles (if he ever plays :banghead). Its our midfield that is getting beaten and the way our forward-line is functioning as a result. If we can start by focusing on winning the ball and moving it out of the additional congestion we will start winning games.

Sadly though, finals can no longer be a realistic goal this year regardless of how quick we turn things around imo
i think a constant theme for some of us has been the list is greatly overrated despite winning 15 games last yr. ffs even richo has come to see this and spoken his mind on it.

when caro says we arent a top 4 side and not a bottom 4 side shes probably right this yr at least.  so that makes us one of 10 sides who are a middling team.
when gws melbourne wb and even the skilda kids start improving we will probably become a bottom 4 side. we have little upside atm  too many our juniors are looking ordinary.

a lot of the good work that was done end of 09 10 and 2011 has been undone in a big way.
the introduction of one or two players maric miles will not improve our lot in the long term, in fact its likely to do more harm than good in the short term. on maric what happens when hes gone we dont have anyone who remotely looks capable of adequately  filling his boots. miles is just 1 mid where are the others coming thru.list management or  succession planning is non existent.

the list has always lacked quality and depth yet so few will acknowlege this. so few are willing to acknowledge that we took the wrong fork in the road and we desperately need to reverse back to that fork and take the right road.
if we fail to do this we will without doubt spend the next 10 yrs in the wilderness.

as you say we got plenty right to start with there has been over all improvements in most things off field but ffs recruiting development and list management remain ordinary at best. we cannot move forward on field unless we address and fix these be alll end all things.

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Re: Richmond a team in turmoil: Caro (Age)
« Reply #20 on: May 23, 2014, 11:43:38 AM »
My mail from unbiased neutral observers is this
We don't train nearly as hard as other clubs - fact
After round 1 loss .major issues surfaced between playing group and coach
- fact
Dimma says yesterday that it's a family and keep it in house .well why are players complaining to the managers after Round 1
No one really knows what is said behind close doors although it's fair to assume that what was said and how there playing means the players have fallen out with coach
You cannot play this bad for no reason

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Re: Richmond a team in turmoil: Caro (Age)
« Reply #21 on: May 23, 2014, 11:57:58 AM »
OK I'm now starting to find sensationalizing from the media ridiculous. As soon as Richmond lose a few games all of a sudden everything is being questioned, everything is wrong, everything is failing, everything we have done up until now is a mistake and all of our list are over rated and failures. Come on!  :huh3

Yes, we've had a bad start to the season and yes our game plan and some of our players have been found out by the opposition but the situation is not irreconcilable. :chickenlittle

All we need to do is start winning the contested ball, change our stoppage set ups and reclaim our confidence and we will turn the season around. Maric will play a big part in this as will Miles (if he ever plays :banghead). Its our midfield that is getting beaten and the way our forward-line is functioning as a result. If we can start by focusing on winning the ball and moving it out of the additional congestion we will start winning games.

Sadly though, finals can no longer be a realistic goal this year regardless of how quick we turn things around imo

If we changed all those things you talk about does the list at Richmond win a flag in the next 3 years? The answer is no.

The problem is we have to many hacks at Richmond especially those brought in from other clubs some of whom are on very decent money. The club could have taken this money and pooled it to try and get an A grader but instead they got us 4 "D" grade players. The whole philosophy of the place is up poo creek. We are never going to be a successful football club again having this administration in place. They are just a group of people down their just looking to protect each others backs and each others jobs. Its a stuffing joke.

We were just outside the top 4 last year. If we had finished 4th and matched up against the Hawks we were a real chance to beat them and then possibly play Freo (who were had also just beaten). The point I'm making is that our performance last year was with this same list. There has been very little changes yet we find ourselves at the reverse end of the ladder. Why? If it was Dimma and his crew then why didn't it happen last year? Why have we gradually been improving every year?

I think people are just looking for scapegoats as usual and at Richmond that straight away means the coach. That's b@ll.poo! I don't want to start again, to rebuild from scratch, to begin at the bottom. A team that went as far as we did based on the performances of mainly young kids is not a team to scrap. Something has changed and we need to find answers rather than look to point the finger, over react, listen to the media and do a mass cull of players and admin.

If we make the changes I'm suggesting and we continue to develop our young talent then yes we could win the flag. People will scoff at that but the difference between good years and bad are often as much about injuries, unexpected youth development, consistency and a unexpected game plan....plus a bit of luck. Hawthorn, Freo, Collingwood etc lists aren't much better than ours but they believe they are. They know their roles, they have the game plan and they have the faith in each other that they can beat anyone. We don't.

My two biggest gripes about Dimma and his coaches is that we do not have a plan B and we do not spend enough time dissecting the oppositions game plan. We need to change what we are doing, everyone knows that many of our players can't perform when you defend closely against them. Dimma needs to coach these players what to do and if they can't do it switch them with players that can.

This year is now a year to experiment and adapt. The game has changed again and we either need to catch up or find strategies to beat it. Be annotative. Try new things and new players.

If after this year we are still playing the same way with the same players then I will join with you and demand Dimmas exit but until then I don't think we need to rebuild everything just yet.

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Re: Richmond a team in turmoil: Caro (Age)
« Reply #22 on: May 23, 2014, 01:16:24 PM »
Sports critics are dumb. If we won 3 in a row they would be saying the opposite about us.

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Re: Richmond a team in turmoil: Caro (Age)
« Reply #23 on: May 23, 2014, 01:17:52 PM »
First of all I think we deserve whack that is currently coming our way from the media and it shouldn't surprise. TBH the only surprise is that it's taken them to round 9 to do it.

They target a club a week and last week it was the RFC and I again say quite rightly. Our season thus far has been pathetic, disgusting and gutting

It is not so much the losses but who we have lost to and how we have lost. I mean losing to the Bulldogs & Melbourne bottom 5 sides last years - please that is inexcusable

To play the crappy style footy we are is unforgivable

Reckon Ramps is on the money about our recruiting. :clapping We have rewarded blokes (and Grigg is the perfect example) with contract extensions when they don't warrant them. We've actually given extensions when in some cases the player concerned still had a year to go (Grigg again). Why? That's one of the reasons why we are in this mess   

I don't think anyone can dispute that the Coach clearly plays favourites and IMV at some point the players who are not getting a go at it are going to start questioning "what the"...and really who can blame them?


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Re: Richmond a team in turmoil: Caro (Age)
« Reply #24 on: May 23, 2014, 01:40:56 PM »
Yeh, cos king having coffee with a butchers hook derailed our season.

In isolation yes but her context was that it was one of many things.  I read this as being that there is a gulf between player and administration.
Not true. It's all speculation, opinion and innuendo. I know firsthand her assertion about March leaving in a huff is absolutely fabricated and untrue.
She is just trying to sell papers. Crap journalism at its worst. Go and support some oath club Caro.

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« Reply #25 on: May 23, 2014, 01:52:09 PM »
There are problems & its some of the players in the side who are the problem. Big names that need to be moved on as forwards are easy to replace as they are just fed footballers who do very little apart from kicking goals, Rewoldt & Vickery need to be banished to the reserves for the remainder of the season & offer them for trade at seasons end. That alone rids us of problems. Retire Newman & A Edwards. Griffiths to FF & McBean & get it on. Recruit a mongrel small backman who cleans up players like Ballanytne & the ball. Recruit anyone related to Rioli  ;D

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Re: Richmond a team in turmoil: Caro (Age)
« Reply #26 on: May 23, 2014, 01:53:21 PM »
My mail from unbiased neutral observers is this
We don't train nearly as hard as other clubs - fact
After round 1 loss .major issues surfaced between playing group and coach
- fact
Dimma says yesterday that it's a family and keep it in house .well why are players complaining to the managers after Round 1
No one really knows what is said behind close doors although it's fair to assume that what was said and how there playing means the players have fallen out with coach
You cannot play this bad for no reason

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Know 2 player managers and have mates who work at other clubs
They think the Tiges are a joke and current ladder position is no surprise

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Re: Richmond a team in turmoil: Caro (Age)
« Reply #27 on: May 23, 2014, 01:55:52 PM »
Yeh, cos king having coffee with a butchers hook derailed our season.

In isolation yes but her context was that it was one of many things.  I read this as being that there is a gulf between player and administration.
Not true. It's all speculation, opinion and innuendo. I know firsthand her assertion about March leaving in a huff is absolutely fabricated and untrue.
She is just trying to sell papers. Crap journalism at its worst. Go and support some oath club Caro.

You mighten like Caro but she is usually right
Yet to see anyone sue Caro or the Age

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Re: Richmond a team in turmoil: Caro (Age)
« Reply #28 on: May 23, 2014, 02:06:06 PM »
OK I'm now starting to find sensationalizing from the media ridiculous. As soon as Richmond lose a few games all of a sudden everything is being questioned, everything is wrong, everything is failing, everything we have done up until now is a mistake and all of our list are over rated and failures. Come on!  :huh3

Yes, we've had a bad start to the season and yes our game plan and some of our players have been found out by the opposition but the situation is not irreconcilable. :chickenlittle

All we need to do is start winning the contested ball, change our stoppage set ups and reclaim our confidence and we will turn the season around. Maric will play a big part in this as will Miles (if he ever plays :banghead). Its our midfield that is getting beaten and the way our forward-line is functioning as a result. If we can start by focusing on winning the ball and moving it out of the additional congestion we will start winning games.

Sadly though, finals can no longer be a realistic goal this year regardless of how quick we turn things around imo

If we changed all those things you talk about does the list at Richmond win a flag in the next 3 years? The answer is no.

The problem is we have to many hacks at Richmond especially those brought in from other clubs some of whom are on very decent money. The club could have taken this money and pooled it to try and get an A grader but instead they got us 4 "D" grade players. The whole philosophy of the place is up poo creek. We are never going to be a successful football club again having this administration in place. They are just a group of people down their just looking to protect each others backs and each others jobs. Its a stuffing joke.

We were just outside the top 4 last year. If we had finished 4th and matched up against the Hawks we were a real chance to beat them and then possibly play Freo (who were had also just beaten). The point I'm making is that our performance last year was with this same list. There has been very little changes yet we find ourselves at the reverse end of the ladder. Why? If it was Dimma and his crew then why didn't it happen last year? Why have we gradually been improving every year?

I think people are just looking for scapegoats as usual and at Richmond that straight away means the coach. That's b@ll.poo! I don't want to start again, to rebuild from scratch, to begin at the bottom. A team that went as far as we did based on the performances of mainly young kids is not a team to scrap. Something has changed and we need to find answers rather than look to point the finger, over react, listen to the media and do a mass cull of players and admin.

If we make the changes I'm suggesting and we continue to develop our young talent then yes we could win the flag. People will scoff at that but the difference between good years and bad are often as much about injuries, unexpected youth development, consistency and a unexpected game plan....plus a bit of luck. Hawthorn, Freo, Collingwood etc lists aren't much better than ours but they believe they are. They know their roles, they have the game plan and they have the faith in each other that they can beat anyone. We don't.

My two biggest gripes about Dimma and his coaches is that we do not have a plan B and we do not spend enough time dissecting the oppositions game plan. We need to change what we are doing, everyone knows that many of our players can't perform when you defend closely against them. Dimma needs to coach these players what to do and if they can't do it switch them with players that can.

This year is now a year to experiment and adapt. The game has changed again and we either need to catch up or find strategies to beat it. Be annotative. Try new things and new players.

If after this year we are still playing the same way with the same players then I will join with you and demand Dimmas exit but until then I don't think we need to rebuild everything just yet.

my biggest problem isnt with the coach its with the entire football department

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Re: Richmond a team in turmoil: Caro (Age)
« Reply #29 on: May 23, 2014, 02:32:29 PM »
First of all I think we deserve whack that is currently coming our way from the media and it shouldn't surprise. TBH the only surprise is that it's taken them to round 9 to do it.

I agree that questions needed to be asked and it would be naive to believe that we could avoid scrutiny altogether. I do believe that the media do like to target us at any opportunity because it sells papers and generates plenty of interest. Do you really believe that Jacks slip was really worth all the attention and discussion it generated? A little perspective from the media and fans would be nice and while its while the over-exaggeration is not surprising is still ridiculous imo. Some of the media rhetoric has been ludicrous.

Reckon Ramps is on the money about our recruiting. :clapping We have rewarded blokes (and Grigg is the perfect example) with contract extensions when they don't warrant them. We've actually given extensions when in some cases the player concerned still had a year to go (Grigg again). Why? That's one of the reasons why we are in this mess   

I don't think anyone can dispute that the Coach clearly plays favourites and IMV at some point the players who are not getting a go at it are going to start questioning "what the"...and really who can blame them?

Obviously Grigg is highly rated by the club and must fulfill his role extremely well. My problem is not with Grigg its more with his role now. I'm not convinced that role is viable any longer. You can't have a player who plays completely uncontested and unaccountable playing well off the contest any longer. These players need to assist around the contest or we will be out numbered. I don't think Grigg can play this new role now so yes - the club made a mistake here. When was the contract extended? If it was recently then they have no excuse if it was at the beginning of the year then you could suggest that they didn't realize that this change would occur. These link/unaccountable/outside players are never popular with supporters because we think them soft so Griggs always going to be on a hiding for nothing. He was crap last week no doubt!