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Re: 2020 membership - "We're from Tigerland"
« Reply #105 on: April 19, 2020, 11:00:11 PM »
O believe the revenue loss would be substantially bigger than the cost savings made. Anyway we will see. I there is no football played in 2020  I would be expecting a huge loss in the 10-15 range. If less then great. We will see i suppose at the end of the year.

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« Reply #106 on: April 19, 2020, 11:08:11 PM »
We also need to consider leasing and rent costs
For Wantirna and all the Aligned centres. Have these rents been waived?

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« Reply #107 on: April 20, 2020, 02:32:00 AM »
Are those membership figures comparing the numbers at the same time in the season or last seasons total vs what we are on now? If the latter I wouldn’t count that as a loss either, at least not yet.

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Re: 2020 membership - "We're from Tigerland"
« Reply #108 on: April 20, 2020, 09:11:53 AM »
That's dissapointing but look at the environment.

Ramps do you know If all other clubs are down as well?

Of course they will be, COVID-19 isn’t just affecting RIchmond members ::)

true, was really keen how we stood up against them.
6% isnt bad when you look at the turncoat hawks and bombers

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Re: 2020 membership - "We're from Tigerland"
« Reply #109 on: April 20, 2020, 04:16:24 PM »
Are those membership figures comparing the numbers at the same time in the season or last seasons total vs what we are on now? If the latter I wouldn’t count that as a loss either, at least not yet.
Last seasons total vs what we are on now. It shows what the potential loss for each club is. It's unlikely any club will gain significantly more members from now on even if the footy season restarts as no members will be able to go to games. Signing up now is effectively a donation to your club.

This time last year we were 97,404. So after being about 5000 ahead before the crisis hit, we are now 400 behind the same time in the season.

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Re: 2020 membership - "We're from Tigerland"
« Reply #110 on: April 20, 2020, 09:16:16 PM »
O believe the revenue loss would be substantially bigger than the cost savings made. Anyway we will see. I there is no football played in 2020  I would be expecting a huge loss in the 10-15 range. If less then great. We will see i suppose at the end of the year.

Suggest you get a copy of the 2019 Annual Report and see how much profit we made from some these business units

You are suggesting that for Aligned Leisure for example we made millions in profit. Annual Report shoes that's not the case

We certainly will see at the after the season is complete



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Tax refunds for AFL club members? (Age)
« Reply #111 on: April 25, 2020, 03:05:07 AM »
Tax refunds for AFL club members?

Caroline Wilson
The Age
25 April 2020


AFL club members could claim tax refunds on their 2020 subscriptions in an Australian arts industry model being explored by the clubs.

Clubs are waiting on a ruling from the Australian Taxation Office, which would benefit members who continue to financially support their clubs despite the likelihood of being prevented from attending the remainder of the season's games due to coronavirus restrictions.

Geelong chairman Colin Carter is understood to have raised the prospect of clubs exploring the Opera Australia subscribers model at a presidents meeting. Now the recently formed working group of club chiefs working on membership has put forward a proposal to the ATO on behalf of all club members.

Clubs are also looking at a second, less preferred option under which memberships and reserved seating costs could be transformed into tax deductible donations under the Australian Sports Foundation program. Clubs such as Hawthorn, raising money for a new facility at Dingley, would lose six per cent of each donation under the second model.

While no club has seen a mass exodus of members during the crisis, acute sensitivity prevails over club-membership support seen as crucial to the bottom line of the financially stricken football industry.

It has provoked the push for an unprecedented ATO 12-month exemption allowing tax deductible donations to football clubs as the league chiefs work to engage members in a season without match-day attendances.

Opera Australia, Australia's largest arts employer, has ramped up requests for donations during the COVID-19 crisis, as has the Australian Ballet, offering subscribers who forfeit refunds to consider transforming the ticket cost to a tax-deductible donation.

"We are aware of the opera/ballet option," said Collingwood chief Mark Anderson, "and while we haven't needed to at this stage, we're not ruling it out.

"We prefer the traditional football model of memberships tied to attendances at games but we are looking at a number of ways to work with our members as we work towards getting games underway."

Geelong chief Brian Cook confirmed that the Cats had approached the ATO and expected a decision before the end of May. Cook said every club would seek tax relief for their members.

The club chiefs focusing on memberships during the COVID-19 crisis along with Collingwood's Anderson are Justin Reeves (Hawthorn), Cain Liddle (Carlton), Ben Amarfio (North Melbourne), Brendon Gale (Richmond) and Simon Garlick (Fremantle).

Prevailing nervousness around membership – Collingwood's Eddie McGuire spoke forebodingly of a "run on clubs" earlier this month – has produced contrasting responses from clubs.

Jeff Kennett urged Hawk members not to apply for refunds where possible, warning them that their support was required for Hawthorn to remain an unassisted club.

Richmond president Peggy O'Neal, whose club last week passed an AFL-high membership mark of 97,000, took a different approach when she wrote last week to members pointing out that the club was in a "position of strength" thanks to them. But O'Neal urged those whose circumstances had changed to contact the Tigers' membership team.

Anderson, whose monthly payment membership run took place last Friday, said all Collingwood's members had met those payments and that new subscriptions in recent weeks had lifted the club to almost 77,000. "Our members have been superb," he said.

https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/sport/afl/tax-refunds-for-afl-club-members-20200423-p54mjs.html

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Re: 2020 membership - "We're from Tigerland"
« Reply #112 on: May 02, 2020, 02:56:45 PM »
Has anyone done the members survey about the Coronavirus and its affect on the Club and memberships? 

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Club email:

From the entire Club, we hope you and your families are well and are keeping safe during this time.

We appreciate your patience and understanding over the past few weeks and thank you for the overwhelming support you’ve shown us. Our membership base is our greatest strength, and collectively our greatest opportunity to come through these uncertain times stronger than ever.

Like much of the world right now, we do not have all the answers. We are however committed to keeping you as informed as possible and ensuring we provide our members with the best outcome now, and into the future. To assist us in achieving this, we invite you to participate in the short survey below. As always, we would appreciate your feedback so we can determine suitable next steps.

Together we have built a powerful and successful football Club and together we will get through this period.

Thank you in advance for your participation, take care and Go Tiges.

Kind regards,

Brendon Gale
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Re: 2020 membership - "We're from Tigerland"
« Reply #113 on: May 11, 2020, 02:10:00 AM »
How will clubs deal with members and reserved seat holders?

Several clubs, including Geelong, Richmond and the Western Bulldogs, have sent surveys to members to test the mood. All clubs hope there are not widespread requests for refunds, although they have obliged where supporters are experiencing financial hardship.

St Kilda and Geelong have emphasised to their fans the desperate financial plight they face if their supporters don't stick with them.

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/state-of-play-on-season-restart-for-the-afl-20200508-p54r4w.html

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AFL members offered multiple options for 2020 (Age)
« Reply #114 on: May 20, 2020, 01:17:06 AM »
AFL members offered multiple options for 2020

Peter Ryan
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AFL members have been encouraged to choose one of four options that "best suit" the person's situation in an email sent from the league on Monday night that outlines options for 2020.

While club members wait to hear from their respective clubs, AFL members have been told they can either maintain their AFL membership, convert to an absentee membership, pause their upcoming payments or ask for a full refund and cancellation, as crowds are unlikely to attend games at the MCG in 2020 due to the coronavirus pandemic.

If a member chooses to maintain their AFL membership for 2020 they will receive a 30 per cent discount on their 2021 membership and, if a club support member, their financial contribution will remain with the club they have nominated.

They can then attend games if crowds are allowed at any point in 2020 and are also eligible for several member packs including tickets to games next season and food and beverage packs.

Those who choose to become an absentee member will be refunded but will not receive a 30 per cent discount on next year's membership or a members' pack. However, they will be required to pay a $170 fee for adults, which would allow them to attend matches in 2020 if crowds return, as well as renew their membership for 2021.

Many members will have already paid the $170 in 2020 through their automatic monthly membership payments.

Members making monthly payments were given the option to pause their upcoming payments having already been contributing through the shutdown. If they do so they will receive a 15 per cent discount on their 2021 membership, a member pack and the ability to return to games if crowds return.

Members had already handed over six of the 10 monthly payments so the pause will save them money but enable the AFL to retain the revenue received.

AFL members who cancel their membership for 2020 will not be able to automatically renew for 2021 and will "no longer receive benefits and entitlements for the 2021 Toyota AFL premiership season and beyond".

The AFL and clubs have been working with the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission and the tax office to work out a range of options to present to members, with clubs expected to roll out the options in the next couple of weeks leading into the June 11 restart.

The MCC is reviewing the full impact to their membership season, which runs from September 2019 through to August 2020, following the AFL's announcement.

Collingwood president Eddie McGuire urged members to hold off on asking for a refund if at all possible when the shutdown started, saying they didn't want a "run on the clubs", but AFL CEO Gill McLachlan has tread a more diplomatic line since, saying the league understood if people needed a refund.

Membership provides a significant proportion of revenue for all clubs but some Victorian teams such as Geelong and Essendon also earn a large percentage of revenue through their reserved seat income.

Geelong, the Western Bulldogs and Richmond surveyed a percentage of their members in recent weeks to gain feedback on which options might be most suitable to them. The Bulldogs said they have had very few members cancel their memberships despite not being able to attend games.

Even with games returning, clubs are being hit hard financially as the broadcast revenue earned through games being played without crowds goes to the AFL rather than clubs. Clubs make money through gate receipts, membership and sponsorship.

Club CEOs such as Carlton's Cain Liddle, Richmond's Brendon Gale, Collingwood's Mark Anderson and Hawthorn's Justin Reeves have been working on arrangements for members since the season was interrupted.

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/afl-members-offered-three-options-for-2020-memberships-20200519-p54u91.html

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Re: 2020 membership - "We're from Tigerland"
« Reply #115 on: May 20, 2020, 07:21:38 PM »
ACCC to 'monitor' sporting teams as AFL clubs begin to offer refunds to fans.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-20/power-offers-to-refund-membership-fees-ahead-of-afl-resumption/12267790

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Re: 2020 membership - "We're from Tigerland"
« Reply #116 on: May 22, 2020, 04:16:22 PM »
From a club email to members:

At Richmond, that collective commitment obviously extends to our members. Our membership base is our greatest strength. It is also our greatest opportunity to come out of this period stronger than ever. The support of our members has been incredible and your willingness to steer the course with us is greatly appreciated. It makes me incredibly proud.

The Club continues to consider options in relation to your 2020 membership and have updated our Membership Terms & Conditions accordingly.

We will be in contact with members during the below timeframes with further information around how you can manage your membership/s moving forward.
 
Membership Type                                                                 Date

General Admission, Country & Interstate members                  Wednesday, May 27
 
Reserved Seat, Reserved Bay & Premium members                  Wednesday, June 3

Stay healthy and thanks again for your wonderful support.

Brendon Gale
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Re: 2020 membership - "We're from Tigerland"
« Reply #117 on: May 28, 2020, 07:16:25 PM »
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'Amazing' Tiger members stay committed (AAP/afl site)
« Reply #118 on: May 28, 2020, 07:38:15 PM »
As of 28/05/2020

97,255

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'Amazing' Tiger members stay committed

Jourdan Canil
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28 May 2020


Meanwhile, the club has been buoyed by the loyalty of members in tough financial circumstances during the coronavirus pandemic.

Like most AFL clubs, the Tigers this month communicated a range of options to their huge membership base, including offering members the right to a full refund.

It comes in a year when supporters are unlikely to attend matches live, at least for the foreseeable future, because of COVID-19 restrictions put in place by state governments.

As of Thursday, the Tigers said "very few" members had requested a full refund and the "vast majority" had committed to retaining their existing memberships.

Richmond supporters have even continued to purchase club memberships in recent weeks - taking the overall tally for 2020 to 97,255.

That number is only slightly down on the Tigers' end-of-year record total of 103,358 members last year.

Richmond chief executive Brendon Gale said supporters' loyalty would help give the club every chance of coming out of the pandemic in a strong position on and off the field.

"The support from our members has been amazing," Gale said.

"They've shown us once again how committed they are to their club.

"They have been the foundation of our recent success and are our greatest opportunity to come out of this period in a position of strength.

"We know that a lot of people are doing it tough right now, so we appreciate their support, and we know they're as excited as us for football to start again."

Source: AFL website

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« Reply #119 on: June 03, 2020, 02:03:12 PM »
AFL clubs trying to convert membership payments into tax-deductible gifts are at risk of breaching federal consumer and tax law, and supporters could be left bearing the cost, experts have warned.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-03/afl-clubs-risk-misleading-fans-over-membership-amid-coronavirus/12297102
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/scheme-for-afl-fans-to-claim-club-membership-fees-as-tax-deduction-labelled-a-rort/news-story/9ece38d9f541d8b09bca6a017f3b42fe