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Re: State of Umpiring [merged]
« Reply #1620 on: April 10, 2021, 12:43:09 PM »
https://twitter.com/brycebear33/status/1380497668401553410?s=19

Not sure that was within the rules he had options to dispose it and no one tackled him he had pressure on him.

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Re: State of Umpiring [merged]
« Reply #1621 on: April 10, 2021, 01:11:44 PM »
How wasn't Gray deliberate is mind blowing he had one intention and that's all umpiring is disgraceful no balls to call it.

The Gray decision was correct as he was under pressure. The rule itself is wrong.

If he had done same thing 5 metres around from the point post, straight over the boundary then it would have been deliberate.

That's where the deliberate rushed rule is flawed. This idea of "pressure" is open to being abused.

For me the worst decision in the last and there were many was the non free to Lynch in front of the goal post he was basically choked around the neck.

Different between and losing for mine

Agreed. They should just make it a free kick if you rush a behind at all, or not at all.

Same with out of bounds.

Anything with umpire discretion is questionable.

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Re: State of Umpiring [merged]
« Reply #1622 on: April 10, 2021, 01:53:51 PM »
It was put to me one ump paid 0 to us and paid 10 to them :banghead :gobdrop

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Re: State of Umpiring [merged]
« Reply #1623 on: April 10, 2021, 02:02:51 PM »
It was put to me one ump paid 0 to us and paid 10 to them :banghead :gobdrop

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Deboy.....no.11

Been shafting us for years

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Re: State of Umpiring [merged]
« Reply #1624 on: April 10, 2021, 02:28:15 PM »
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtis_Deboy

SA. The defence rests...

I do blame the club also For not coming out swinging. Happens too much
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Re: State of Umpiring [merged]
« Reply #1625 on: April 10, 2021, 02:35:38 PM »
That's because we can't afford to lose another 25k from the soft cap...expect there's been some very strong words said behind the scenes... :shh
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Re: State of Umpiring [merged]
« Reply #1626 on: April 10, 2021, 03:41:39 PM »
How wasn't Gray deliberate is mind blowing he had one intention and that's all umpiring is disgraceful no balls to call it.

The Gray decision was correct as he was under pressure. The rule itself is wrong.

If he had done same thing 5 metres around from the point post, straight over the boundary then it would have been deliberate.

That's where the deliberate rushed rule is flawed. This idea of "pressure" is open to being abused.

For me the worst decision in the last and there were many was the non free to Lynch in front of the goal post he was basically choked around the neck.

Different between and losing for mine

Agreed. They should just make it a free kick if you rush a behind at all, or not at all.

Same with out of bounds.

Anything with umpire discretion is questionable.
David King made the same point on Fox Footy.

King believed it was time for a shift in rules given it would’ve been judged a deliberate out of bounds if only it went a few metres to the right or left.

“By the rules and the letter of the law, it’s the right call. But I don’t think you should be able to handball the ball through the behinds at any stage of the game from anywhere,” he said.

“This is not what we want our game to be. If that goes over the boundary line that is a free kick. Why should it be different because it is three metres to the right?”


https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-news-2021-afl-rushed-behind-afl-rules-port-adelaide-vs-richmond-robbie-gray-tom-jonas-david-king-fox-footy-saturday-countdown/news-story/2d3f152e5430413a5e321490823801b5

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Re: State of Umpiring [merged]
« Reply #1627 on: April 10, 2021, 03:43:46 PM »
Dimma's comment on the non-call Gray out of bounds:


In the second quarter, Gray gathered the ball when clearly out of bounds – but the boundary umpire didn’t whistle and Gray passed to teammate Orazio Fantasia, who scored a goal.

“Did that guy from the first row give it to that guy so he could kick that goal?” Hardwick said.

“It couldn’t be any further out, could it? Anyway… Look, its a hard game to adjudicate but they do a good a job as they can. Yeah, I will leave it at that.”


https://www.theroar.com.au/2021/04/10/hardwick-dodges-umpiring-controversies-post-port-loss/

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Re: State of Umpiring [merged]
« Reply #1628 on: April 10, 2021, 04:05:55 PM »
The rushed behind rule is stupid but based on the rule the call on the night was correct. Picking that one out deflects from all the shockers against us especially in the first half.

How about the 50m paid against Grimes for being in the protected area. What was he meant to do? He was already in the area before the whistle and he didn't run away through the mark to follow his direct opponent. Absolute garbage decision.

In the first quarter, Allir lands right on Jack's back 50 while Jack was lying on the ground face down after going for a mark. It should have been a shot on goal to us from 50 out. Nah that was play-on  ::).

Others have already mentioned Dusty being tackled without the ball but getting pinged for HTB followed 30 secs later by the identical situation with Rozee yet it was (correctly) paid a hold.

We've already mentioned Gray's OOB non-call, Houli being pinged on a touched ball mark and Port players not getting pinged for illegal disposal when tackled.

That rushed behind was one of the rare decisions the umps got right on the night.
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Re: State of Umpiring [merged]
« Reply #1629 on: April 11, 2021, 01:25:36 AM »
This is what the umps give as a deliberate rushed behind:

https://twitter.com/FOXFOOTY/status/1380851011800080385

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Re: State of Umpiring [merged]
« Reply #1630 on: April 11, 2021, 08:03:14 PM »
It was put to me one ump paid 0 to us and paid 10 to them :banghead :gobdrop

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No need for me to name the names:shh
It's an absolute disgrace is what it is.

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Re: State of Umpiring [merged]
« Reply #1631 on: April 12, 2021, 03:36:24 PM »
It was put to me one ump paid 0 to us and paid 10 to them :banghead :gobdrop

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No need for me to name the names:shh
It's an absolute disgrace is what it is.

He has history with us going back to 2017. Screwed us late against the Dogs that year and then infamously paid this BS deliberate rushed behind against us in the Dreamtime game a couple of weeks later:


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Re: State of Umpiring [merged]
« Reply #1632 on: April 15, 2021, 09:06:29 PM »
18 v 8 against us when they havent had the ball

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Re: State of Umpiring [merged]
« Reply #1633 on: April 15, 2021, 09:18:01 PM »
20 v 8

Fmd

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Re: State of Umpiring [merged]
« Reply #1634 on: April 15, 2021, 09:44:35 PM »
Umps have gifted them half of their goals