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Offline Gracie

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Re: Pick 40. Samson Ryan
« Reply #30 on: December 12, 2020, 03:05:38 PM »
Quote from: Andyy on December 12, 2020, 08:35:20 AM
Have many clubs done better than us with their drafting?

Finally a good question

To properly judge FJ one would need to compare him to other club recruiters and their record in selecting capable players v duds and the resources those recruiters had to do their job.
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Re: Pick 40. Samson Ryan
« Reply #31 on: December 12, 2020, 07:28:40 PM »
Collingwood apparently
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Re: Pick 40. Samson Ryan
« Reply #32 on: December 12, 2020, 10:08:25 PM »
Heppel and Cripps were bad misses. Fyfe I still say that blindsided everyone. He was drafted as a 2nd/3rd tall forward from memory? No one knew he would become an on ball machine!
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Re: Pick 40. Samson Ryan
« Reply #33 on: December 13, 2020, 07:27:09 AM »
Why are they bad misses for Richmond and no other club?
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Re: Pick 40. Samson Ryan
« Reply #34 on: December 13, 2020, 01:35:33 PM »
Quote from: Hard Roar Tiger on December 13, 2020, 07:27:09 AM
Why are they bad misses for Richmond and no other club?

Ridiculous isn't it
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Re: Pick 40. Samson Ryan
« Reply #35 on: December 13, 2020, 03:53:46 PM »
Every recruiter has hit misses in every sport we're talking to , but no one can deny Jackson build 80% of this list.
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Re: Pick 40. Samson Ryan
« Reply #36 on: December 15, 2020, 03:01:10 AM »
Every single club has both hits and misses but fact of the matter is our recruiters have built a team that has one 3 out of the last 4 premierships with hopefully more to come. That’s puts us at the equal third most of any club in the AFL era so I think we are doing pretty well especially considering they introduced the suns and giants while we were still towards the bottom of the ladder which pushed our top end picks further down.

Also can anyone tell me how we would manage to retain our players if we had picked the best available player with all our picks? How do you fit in Cripps, Fyfe, etc into a salary cap that already includes dusty, jack, lynch, cotch and previously rance?

Whether people want to believe it or not every decision made right or wrong over the past decade has led us to where we are now.
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Re: Pick 40. Samson Ryan
« Reply #37 on: December 15, 2020, 07:12:23 AM »
Any thoughts on Samson Ryan...anyone?
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Re: Pick 40. Samson Ryan
« Reply #38 on: December 15, 2020, 07:50:29 AM »
Quote from: Owl on December 15, 2020, 07:12:23 AM
Any thoughts on Samson Ryan...anyone?

Sounds good to me.

Big, 2 years or so older than the younger kids, academy player at Brisbane, absolute mad tiger supporter.

Should be slightly ahead of the pack and his footage looks quite good.
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Re: Pick 40. Samson Ryan
« Reply #39 on: December 15, 2020, 05:13:05 PM »
Quote from: Owl on December 15, 2020, 07:12:23 AM
Any thoughts on Samson Ryan...anyone?
Hard to know without all the other details.
IF ... the injury to Nankervis is a badly degenerative one (which it sometimes can be) then that's a triple winning ruck out.
IF ... the injury to Soldo is more serious or degenerative that we know that's another premiership ruck out.
IF ... the fallout from CCJ's kebab run has meant Adelaide has their hooks into him to go home, then he's out after next year.
IF ... there is no change in Chol's attitude/effort and his non-competitive ruck work continues.

THEN ... Ryan is not only just a shrewd choice but inevitable.
 
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Re: Pick 40. Samson Ryan
« Reply #40 on: December 17, 2020, 08:34:04 PM »
It's still a lot of rucks if you include Miller too. Especially for a smaller list. I think they are saying Miller is a back, Chol a forward and soldo injured.
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Re: Pick 40. Samson Ryan
« Reply #41 on: December 17, 2020, 10:11:56 PM »
Presumably we wanted someone who was Soldo's size to replace him for 2021. Most of the others are shorter ruck options. Colina is a beanpole but he won't play seniors next year. CCJ is next tallest at 204cm. The rest are <=200cm.
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Re: Pick 40. Samson Ryan
« Reply #42 on: December 18, 2020, 08:12:24 AM »
CCJ is 200 isn't he?

Still a project ruck along with Colina and Ryan.

Hope CCJ is decent. Poor Nank going to have a tough 2021.
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Re: Pick 40. Samson Ryan
« Reply #43 on: December 18, 2020, 08:57:48 AM »
Quote from: taztiger4 on December 13, 2020, 01:35:33 PM
Quote from: Hard Roar Tiger on December 13, 2020, 07:27:09 AM
Why are they bad misses for Richmond and no other club?

Ridiculous isn't it

Bad misses for everyone including us! Don’t get me wrong, I’m happy we won 3 out of 4. It’s just fun to sit back and reminisce about what “could have been” with trades and drafts. Because on the flip side I think it’s awesome we snagged Riewoldt in 06 and other than Selwood I’d argue everyone taken before him had been below par.
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Re: Pick 40. Samson Ryan
« Reply #44 on: December 19, 2020, 02:44:10 PM »
Quote from: lamington on December 18, 2020, 08:57:48 AM
Quote from: taztiger4 on December 13, 2020, 01:35:33 PM
Because on the flip side I think it’s awesome we snagged Riewoldt in 06 and other than Selwood I’d argue everyone taken before him had been below par.
The thing about the Riewoldt choice is that there were seen to be a lot of key position players at the top of that draft.
2 - Gumbleton   197
3 - Hansen   197
4 - Leunberger    203 Ruck
6 - Thorp   194
8 - Reid    196
10 - Nathan Brown 194
11 - Everitt   193
12 - Frawley  193
13 - Jack   192
14 - Sellar    195
16 - Mitch Brown   193
17 - Hampson   201  ruck

This leads me to think that the reasoning may have been that at least one of a really level group of keys would still be available at 13, giving up 8 for Polak.
Ironic that most of those talls would be busts while the smalls in Gibbs (1), Boak (5), Selwood (7), Armitage (9) and O'Keefe (15) were better long term.
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