Rhyan Mansell [merged]

[Tigeritis™©®]

I’m so pleased the club is appealing 

[one-eyed]

"The Mansell decision is one I think the Tribunal got 100 per cent wrong, it’s a big blow for the young Tiger who’s having an impact."

Gerard Healy's editorial on the two three-week suspensions that were handed out at the AFL Tribunal last night [Tuesday].

Go to 10:40 min mark: https://megaphone.link/NTETP7014032807

Healy said Mansell's was a brace and not a bump and that Mansell was looking at the ball and not the player until the last moment when he braced.

Healy also added the appeals are about the law and not a retrial. Cornes reckons Richmond will challenge what a legal bump is. What is a bump? Has the AFL legally defined what a bump is? Both Healy and Cornes liked that approach as an appeal.

[Broadsword]

I’m so pleased the club is appealing 

That's why we landed Taranto and Hopper.

[mightytiges]

I am genuinely surprised they are challenging but very glad that they are

I'm guessing we will challenge the Tribunal's judgement that it wasn't a contested loose ball. When you look at the vision, at no stage does Aish have clean possession of the ball (so tackling him wasn't an option for Mansell). Then there's the speed element. A modern footballer can sprint at around 11 m/s. The Tribunal expected Mansell to alter his speed and course barely one metre away. That's only 0.09 secs to make a decision which is unrealistic. Then add the unpredictability of the last bounce of the ball just before the collision where the ball lands on its point and changes direction. If the bouncing ball's trajectory had remained the same (bouncing away from Aish and towards Mansell) then the outcome would've been obviously different.

Give the Club a call MT, they could use you on the defence team 

Just a slight correction to my post which doesn't change the argument. It should say 9 m/s not 11 (the latter would be close to 100m world record sprint pace). It doesn't alter the fact though that it's unrealistic to expect any player to make a decision in a small fraction of a second (0.11 secs).

[mightytiges]

And this is the result of two players both not turning their bodies when contesting a loose ball from opposite directions. Both players end up smashing their heads together  .


https://twitter.com/FootyonNine/status/1668943422051467264

Imagine if both Mansell and Aish moving at much higher velocity did this. It would've been car crash-like with injuries to match

Crazy and dangerous stuff by the AFL to now demand players open themselves up or slow down "slightly" at contests rather than turning their bodies and protecting themselves going for the ball.

Actually, if the appeal fails, the Club could potentially take this to WorkSafe as OHS at every workplace states the first duty of every employee is to protect themself which is what Mansell was doing. It was Aish who didn't and as a result he came off second best.

[Simonator]

And this is the result of two players both not turning their bodies when contesting a loose ball from opposite directions. Both players end up smashing their heads together  .


https://twitter.com/FootyonNine/status/1668943422051467264

Imagine if both Mansell and Aish moving at much higher velocity did this. It would've been car crash-like with injuries to match

Crazy and dangerous stuff by the AFL to now demand players open themselves up or slow down "slightly" at contests rather than turning their bodies and protecting themselves going for the ball.

Actually, if the appeal fails, the Club could potentially take this to WorkSafe as OHS at every workplace states the first duty of every employee is to protect themself which is what Mansell was doing. It was Aish who didn't and as a result he came off second best.

Can you represent rhyan?

[mightytiges]

Can you represent rhyan?

My experience is judges aren't fans of people without law degrees acting for the defence. You need a gun qualified defence lawyer like Carlton has  .

[mightytiges]

And this is the result of two players both not turning their bodies when contesting a loose ball from opposite directions. Both players end up smashing their heads together  .


https://twitter.com/FootyonNine/status/1668943422051467264

Imagine if both Mansell and Aish moving at much higher velocity did this. It would've been car crash-like with injuries to match

Crazy and dangerous stuff by the AFL to now demand players open themselves up or slow down "slightly" at contests rather than turning their bodies and protecting themselves going for the ball.

Actually, if the appeal fails, the Club could potentially take this to WorkSafe as OHS at every workplace states the first duty of every employee is to protect themself which is what Mansell was doing. It was Aish who didn't and as a result he came off second best.

Here's an example of both players ( one being Cotch ) turning their bodies at the point of collision so there's no head contact and no one gets hurt nor concussed.




The Club should show both videos tonight as examples of what happens when the wrong technique is used (both Lloyd & Judd) and when the correct technique used (both Cotch & Eagles player). Mansell should not be blamed let alone suspended for using the correct technique in a loose ball contest when Aish didn't, and the latter came off second best.

[one-eyed]

AFL Appeal Board timings:

Rhyan Mansell: 9:30AM Friday

James Sicily: 5PM Monday

https://twitter.com/DavidZita1/status/1669137636651597824

[Tiger Khosh]

And this is the result of two players both not turning their bodies when contesting a loose ball from opposite directions. Both players end up smashing their heads together  .


https://twitter.com/FootyonNine/status/1668943422051467264

Imagine if both Mansell and Aish moving at much higher velocity did this. It would've been car crash-like with injuries to match

Crazy and dangerous stuff by the AFL to now demand players open themselves up or slow down "slightly" at contests rather than turning their bodies and protecting themselves going for the ball.

Actually, if the appeal fails, the Club could potentially take this to WorkSafe as OHS at every workplace states the first duty of every employee is to protect themself which is what Mansell was doing. It was Aish who didn't and as a result he came off second best.

Here's an example of both players ( one being Cotch ) turning their bodies at the point of collision so there's no head contact and no one gets hurt nor concussed.




The Club should show both videos tonight as examples of what happens when the wrong technique is used (both Lloyd & Judd) and when the correct technique used (both Cotch & Eagles player). Mansell should not be blamed let alone suspended for using the correct technique in a loose ball contest when Aish didn't, and the latter came off second best.

 

[Andyy]

And this is the result of two players both not turning their bodies when contesting a loose ball from opposite directions. Both players end up smashing their heads together  .


https://twitter.com/FootyonNine/status/1668943422051467264

Imagine if both Mansell and Aish moving at much higher velocity did this. It would've been car crash-like with injuries to match

Crazy and dangerous stuff by the AFL to now demand players open themselves up or slow down "slightly" at contests rather than turning their bodies and protecting themselves going for the ball.

Actually, if the appeal fails, the Club could potentially take this to WorkSafe as OHS at every workplace states the first duty of every employee is to protect themself which is what Mansell was doing. It was Aish who didn't and as a result he came off second best.

Here's an example of both players ( one being Cotch ) turning their bodies at the point of collision so there's no head contact and no one gets hurt nor concussed.




The Club should show both videos tonight as examples of what happens when the wrong technique is used (both Lloyd & Judd) and when the correct technique used (both Cotch & Eagles player). Mansell should not be blamed let alone suspended for using the correct technique in a loose ball contest when Aish didn't, and the latter came off second best.

Love it

Can you call the club and tell them?

Pretty sure we'll get screwed regardless.

[mightytiges]

This is what happens when 2 players are coming at each other at speed and one decides to try and tackle instead of bracing for contact. Yet the advocate on Tuesday night suggested this is what Mansell should have done.


https://twitter.com/P_T_Ager/status/1669221497238605824

[DCrane]

Great post MT, the AFL must acknowledge that collisions will occur in the game and ensure the players are trained on how to protect themselves from it. The lawyers have got them spooked and instead of coaching the players to protect themselves they are actually opening themselves up to more negligence claims by pretending that bumps are going to go away. I'll wager a pineapple that Liam Baker gets done by the end of the season on one of these.

[one-eyed]

Our appeal has just started.

Legal reps: Dermot Dann (Richmond), Lisa Hannon (AFL)

Appeal Board: Murray Kellam (Chair), Richard Loveridge, Wayne Henwood.

Source: Foxsports.

[one-eyed]

Richmond says "bumping cannot be interpreted so widely as to populate any form of contact between two players."

Dann (Tigers) says the Tribunal never addressed the question of whether Rhyan Mansell's conduct was reasonable or unreasonable.

Source: Foxsports.