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Re: List Management: Keep, Trade, Delist
« Reply #15 on: August 05, 2022, 08:54:11 PM »
I agree , players should be judged on their ability to perform. If due to regular injury or they can’t keep up, completely lose their speed  not just because they are over 30

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Re: List Management: Keep, Trade, Delist
« Reply #16 on: August 06, 2022, 04:17:52 AM »
Grimesy wasnt the same player over last 6 weeks. Time is catching up with him imho. This hammy wont help him either.

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Re: List Management: Keep, Trade, Delist
« Reply #17 on: August 06, 2022, 10:59:14 AM »
Cumberland at 183 is a small.

Medium I'm thinking probably at least 185-192. Jack not overly tall but always played tall due to aerial ability.
I normally go anyone under 6ft as a small. This is a little bit out of whack of what the industry tends to call small as they tend to say anyone under 180cm. At the end of the day its just an inch.

Bottom line is its generally correct but still used as a starting point for defining  numbers in each area.

Smalls for me have always gone 182cm and under. Mediums 183 -189, Talls 190cm plus.
That for me makes Cumberland a Medium at the lower end of the scale for mediums.
An example of a player type and size we dont have as a fwd is Bayley Fritsch at 188cm or  Gary rohan who i dont rate is another who plays differently to Fritsch at 189cm.
We just don't have a medium fwd in our system  at that end of the scale apart from Parker who is ordinary and now retired.

KPP can be 190 193cm but generally they are powerfully built and are closer to 100kg which allows them to regularly compete as kpd's.

 I think players around 190 - 193 are tall and they mostly lack the size as well to play kpp regularly. A good example of this is our Dylan Grimes and Nathan Broad. Grimesy can definately play kp if we need him to but everyone will agree that is not ideal on a regular basis.

I think its important to break down the list into as many roles as possible and as best as possible define between kpp and just tall.

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Re: List Management: Keep, Trade, Delist
« Reply #18 on: August 06, 2022, 11:32:15 AM »
What we lack as far as list structure goes imo of course.

2 KPF Possibly 3 with Riewoldt very close to retirement.
1 Tall fwd not urgent but we only have Bauer on the list atm.
2 Medium Fwd. We have just Cumberland and as spoken about he is just 183cm and a small medium.
0 Small fwds. Moving fwd we have Stack, Rioli, Clarke and the small medium Cumberland. Also Bolton.

Most of the above needs can be gained simply by replacing Castagna, Aarts, Lambert, and Parker all classified as forwards by the club.
It helps in the realignment and balancing out of size in forwards as most of those cut are small.

0 KPD,S. We have Tarrant, Balta, Miller, Nyuon, Gibcus. We are set up well in this area depending on how well Miller and Nyuon progress.
1 TALL DEF. Grimes is 31 and Broad is 29 would like a junior in development to replace them when they retire.
0 MED DEF. We have Vlastuin, Brown, Banks, Ralphsmith.
0 SML DEF. We have Baker, Short, Rioli, Mansell. Stack?

Between the Medium and small defenders we have plenty of run would like to targett a tough hard quick  no compromise shut down defender

0 Rucks. We have 4 Nankervis, Soldo, Ryan, Colina. Plenty of numbers but a question about the quality.So maybe we look for a quality junior.
1 RUCK/FWD. Dont have one and maybe we cut one of the rucks we have and go after a quality one as mentioned above.

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Re: List Management: Keep, Trade, Delist
« Reply #19 on: August 06, 2022, 12:29:42 PM »
Id like to see us go with either 4 or 5 picks to the national draft. 2 picks on mids. 2 picks on key forwards. 1 pick on a developing ruck. I think we dont we really need to draft a ruck but the club will decide. The 2 mids and 2 key forwards are almost non negotiable imho.

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Re: List Management: Keep, Trade, Delist
« Reply #20 on: August 11, 2022, 03:45:57 AM »
Caro on Footy Classified last night said Cotchin is likely to play on next year. He will need to take a big pay cut though.

She also expects Jack will go on too.


Jack Riewoldt:
                                2020*    2021     2022
Marks                         4.5        4.9        5.1
Marks inside 50           2.6        3.1        2.6
Score involvements     5.0        6.0        5.8
Goals                         2.0        2.3        2.0

Trent Cotchin:
                               2020*    2021     2022
Disposals                  22.9      20.8      22.6
Metres gained           349        296       258
Clearances                5.4        4.0         4.9
Tackles                     4.0        3.4         2.9

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Re: List Management: Keep, Trade, Delist
« Reply #21 on: August 11, 2022, 09:35:42 AM »
Grimesy wasnt the same player over last 6 weeks. Time is catching up with him imho. This hammy wont help him either.

I do not know for certain but I suspect he has a shoulder problem and has been managing this for some weeks now

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Re: List Management: Keep, Trade, Delist
« Reply #22 on: August 11, 2022, 09:47:14 AM »
Cumberland, Sonsie and Miller all just re-signed for two years each.

I think this is great news. All have shown plenty of promise in the later half of this year and I am pumped about them.

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Re: List Management: Keep, Trade, Delist
« Reply #23 on: August 11, 2022, 09:50:38 AM »
Caro on Footy Classified last night said Cotchin is likely to play on next year. He will need to take a big pay cut though.

She also expects Jack will go on too.


Jack Riewoldt:
                                2020*    2021     2022
Marks                         4.5        4.9        5.1
Marks inside 50           2.6        3.1        2.6
Score involvements     5.0        6.0        5.8
Goals                         2.0        2.3        2.0

Trent Cotchin:
                               2020*    2021     2022
Disposals                  22.9      20.8      22.6
Metres gained           349        296       258
Clearances                5.4        4.0         4.9
Tackles                     4.0        3.4         2.9


I wonder what they're getting paid now but they wouldn't be on a lot to go another year. Probably what $300k? Wouldn't expect full seasons from them either maybe 15 games each.

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Re: List Management: Keep, Trade, Delist
« Reply #24 on: August 11, 2022, 10:08:27 AM »
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I wonder what they're getting paid now but they wouldn't be on a lot to go another year. Probably what $300k? Wouldn't expect full seasons from them either maybe 15 games each.

Would be pretty disrespectful to offer them 300k. At least 500k each I would say.
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Re: List Management: Keep, Trade, Delist
« Reply #25 on: August 11, 2022, 10:36:52 AM »
They won't be getting 500k.  They'll get 350-380k.

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Re: List Management: Keep, Trade, Delist
« Reply #26 on: August 11, 2022, 10:45:40 AM »
The next dynasty team coming through. :)

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Re: List Management: Keep, Trade, Delist
« Reply #27 on: August 11, 2022, 11:29:05 AM »
Im really happy for the 3 boys especially Ben. Hes worked really hard to get to this point. Massive amount of resilience and getting rewarded for it. Well done to all 3.

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Re: List Management: Keep, Trade, Delist
« Reply #29 on: August 11, 2022, 12:19:55 PM »
They won't be getting 500k.  They'll get 350-380k.

You really think Cotch and Jack will be on 350-380k??