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Re: SSP
« Reply #15 on: Yesterday at 12:18:28 PM »
Another basketballer who thinks they can hop codes and have a career at the highest level?

Why can't we just use a rookie spot on a mature ruck, maybe mid-20's, who has been playing Australian Rules for 5-10 years?

How often does the tall basketballer to AFL ruck work out? Dean Brogan is probably the only genuinely good example. Mason Cox in recent memory? Heck it took 5 years for Ivan Soldo to swap from bball to footy then build up to his best form in 2019, which by most assessments was serviceable without being amazing.

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« Reply #16 on: Yesterday at 12:44:06 PM »
Soldo won a flag. Blicavs was a freak. Josh Jenkins grand final. Cox won flag. Stefan Martin. Gawn goat. Goldstein very good, rejected USA unis for basketball.

CDT essentially went pick two in the draft and has young lance Franklin traits.

Hayes Brown is starting to play well in the 2s

Why do Richmond want a mature ruckman at this stage? Would be cooked by the time Cummings. Hotton. Armstrong etc. start to come good.

Another young ruck with Sims developing sounds ideal to me. Especially one some have said is the best ruck in the pool outside of CDT. They should be stacking as many kids u20 as they can at this stage on the list.

Kras played footy when he was a young kid so he should have some fundamentals

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Re: SSP
« Reply #17 on: Yesterday at 01:04:20 PM »
I think we need a mature option with 5-8 years of footy left in him who can fill the gap for nank if required.
Sims too young, Ryan too soft.


As for the names above:
- most weren't established/career basketballers
- most started AFL young
- the ones that were basketballers took multiple years to develop for AFL and most were modest at best after that

For some reason people think winning a flag makes you a good player but despite contributing in 2019 and 2020 Soldo was serviceable most of that era.

Blicavs is a freak indeed. And a steeplechaser before AFL. He also took several years to reach those heights and I tip my hat to him.
Jenkins I thought was quite decent. Took him a few years to convert.
Cox was also serviceable at best most of the time as a late convert.
Martin a very good player, started at 19 and was an established player by 22-24yo. Probably the best example.
Gawn played AFL as a kid also, no basketball career.
Goldy also played footy as a kid, no basketball career.

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Re: SSP
« Reply #18 on: Yesterday at 01:15:01 PM »
Goldy

. 2007 FIBA Under-19 World Championship squad ,  Australia.

Source - north Melbourne website. He withdrew due to the afl draft.

Yes most were 'serviceable. Do you expect a 26 year old c grade state league ruckman will do any better than that,? 

Krasnadamskis played for Eastern Ranges and Vic Metro. Was competitive in his match up v CDT. It's not like he's never seen a football.

averaging 15.5 disposals per game for Vic Metro in the 2025 AFL National Under-18 Championships. Source Richmond website


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Re: SSP
« Reply #19 on: Yesterday at 01:35:06 PM »
Goldy

. 2007 FIBA Under-19 World Championship squad ,  Australia.

Source - north Melbourne website. He withdrew due to the afl draft.
Correct, not exactly a career basketballer


Yes most were 'serviceable. Do you expect a 26 year old c grade state league ruckman will do any better than that,? 
No, and that's what I'm wanting the club to do - find a *serviceable rookie ruckman* to support Nank while Sims develops and because Ryan is a dud


Krasnadamskis played for Eastern Ranges and Vic Metro. Was competitive in his match up v CDT. It's not like he's never seen a football.

averaging 15.5 disposals per game for Vic Metro in the 2025 AFL National Under-18 Championships. Source Richmond website
Thanks for clarifying. Sounds good tbh, but I still think we need a stop-gap. Had the right idea with Naismith, just too old, and picked the wrong person given how injury-prone he was. Need someone mid 20's who has aussie rules experience, tier 2 games under their belt, and a health/strong body


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Re: SSP
« Reply #20 on: Yesterday at 01:40:39 PM »
Kras hasn't had much of a basketball career either genius.

He turned 18 few months ago

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Re: SSP
« Reply #21 on: Yesterday at 02:00:01 PM »
1. Nank

Hopefully a couple seasons left.

2. Sims.

3. Hayes-Brown

Getting better. 63 hit-outs one vfl game, others 40+

4. Ryan.

Obviously limited but as fine the 4th ruck for one more year.

Fawcett. Lefau break glass emergency options. I don't see the point of another stop gap ruck ahead of a kid with upside.

All that said they prob take Burton.




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Re: SSP
« Reply #22 on: Yesterday at 05:50:19 PM »
1. Nank

Hopefully a couple seasons left.

2. Sims.

3. Hayes-Brown

Getting better. 63 hit-outs one vfl game, others 40+

4. Ryan.

Obviously limited but as fine the 4th ruck for one more year.

Fawcett. Lefau break glass emergency options. I don't see the point of another stop gap ruck ahead of a kid with upside.

All that said they prob take Burton.


Nank established but ageing and gets quite beat up most years.

The idea that our #2 ruck is a teenager with 1 year under his belt and coming off surgery is concerning.

OHB untried at AFL level altogether.

Ryan with clear deficiencies and not looking promising at all.

Fawcett in the ruck?
Lefau also coming off another injury-riddled year.

I don't agree that we're set to go or that an 18yo undrafted kid is the answer for the medium term. We would definitely benefit from having a bloke aged 23-28 on the list with some proper ruck experience.

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Re: SSP
« Reply #23 on: Yesterday at 07:27:46 PM »
Thomas Burton

height: 178cm
D.O.B: 09-01-2007
Position: Midfielder/Defender
Leagues: AFL U18 Championships, Coates Talent League Boys

SNAPSHOT:

“A versatile mover and a consummate professional known for his playmaking ability that causes headaches for the opposition.” – Adrian Dixon

The Western Jets captain of 2025, Tom Burton is a natural leader who continually sets up plays with his run and carry, whether it be in the midfield or across half-back.

Burton started his footballing journey in the then known Western Region Football League competition with Point Cook’s Under 9s team in 2015. As he moved up the age groups, he continued to be a standout, and in 2021 he started his rise to prominence with selection in the Under 14 interleague squad.

12 months later, he would be selected for the Under 15 competition, being named in the best for both games that season. Burton also would also represent the Victorian Under 15 side in the 2022 national carnival where he was named All-Australian. As a result, he would be awarded with a scholarship to Caulfield Grammar for his final years of schooling, that would see him play in the APS football competition.

Season 2023 saw Burton continue to progress – being named in the Western Jets Under 16s squad where he managed to make an appearance in two games in April of that year. He would then be called up to represent Vic Metro at the Under 16 Championships that year with his best game coming against South Australia.

September 2023 saw him make his Coates Talent League debut for the Jets in Wildcard Round, where he performed admirably against the reigning and eventual premiers, Sandringham Dragons. Weeks later, he was then called up to the Point Cook senior side to make his debut in a Grand Final of all games. Despite the game resulting in a loss, Burton fitted in seamlessly and felt as if he belonged out there, taking on the game with confidence and flair.

Season 2024 saw Burton spend most of his bottom-aged campaign playing with Caulfield Grammar while completing his Year 12 VCE studies. However, he also impressed in his limited appearances with the Jets, especially early in the season against the Calder Cannons in both a practice match and on Good Friday.

When he returned to the Jets team outside of school football commitments, his presence was noted, especially in the absence of his teammates who were on representative duty. While only managing seven games for the Jets, Burton was always consistent and would put in a solid performance representing Vic Metro, then Team Heppell in the 2024 Futures games.

With the stresses of school out of the way and putting more of his focus into football, season 2025 would see Burton appointed the Jets’ captain. But before that, along with earning selection in the AFL Academy and the Vic Metro summer hub, he completed a preseason training block with the Western Bulldogs, the club he supported growing up.

Despite being restricted by injury, Burton would overcome a poor Round 1 game by his standards to produce leadership and consistency for the Jets all season. As a result, he averaged 29.6 disposals, 5.3 marks and 5.6 tackles per game in 2025, taking out Western’s best and fairest award. While his averages were subdued playing for Vic Metro in the Under 18 Championships, he was awarded with captaincy for the game game against eventual title winners South Australia.

Burton models his game on 2016 Norm Smith Medallist Jason Johannisen and fellow Western Jets alumni Zak Butters, players who are both known for their abilities to take the game on with their speed and flair, especially in the two positions that Burton is best suited to.

STRENGTHS:

+ Dare
+ Leadership
+ Running power
+ Speed
+ Versatility
+ Work rate

IMPROVEMENTS:

- Decision making
- Kicking efficiency
- Size

Burton is a born leader. From a young age with his junior football, he always led from the front and set a standard for his teammates which saw him win numerous team and competition best and fairest awards. He quickly learned how important it is to be a good teammate and to lead by example, while also understanding that doing the extras makes a difference, especially tapping into the resources on offer to make him the best athlete possible.

On the field, he always uses his voice to continually support his teammates and reinforce areas that need to be improved upon in games. At the Jets, internally he was lauded for helping his teammates improve, not just in games either, but also getting them involved in watching vision and identifying how they can enhance what they do without the ball in their hands. As a result, he was also rewarded with the responsibility of captaining Vic Metro in one game at the championships.

Burton's versatility is another feature of his game that makes him an appealing prospect. Comfortable either across half-back or in the midfield, his ability to be the go-to man running out of defence highlights the trust that his teammates have in him to cause chaos for the opposition. Meanwhile, his efforts to show a strong inside and outside game have also been lauded in a ball-winning capacity.

Overall, Burton seems comfortable playing his role for the team, as highlighted in his efforts for the AFL Academy and the Vic Metro side at the National Championships. While undoubtedly he would have loved to have had more time in the midfield, due to the depth he was assigned to a role in defence, acting as a linking option on the rebound and playing that role well.

Burtons' speed, especially when it comes to closing in on opponents is also central to his game. While he provides excellent run on the overlap along with his gut running, his ability to work hard around the ground puts him in positions to rack up the footy. At the recent National Draft Combine, he managed a 2.915 20m sprint time to highlights his elite speed, which gets him out of trouble time and time again.

While Burton loves having the ball in his hands, his kicking and decision making are areas for improvement. While his split-second decisions can cause chaos for the opposition, Burton will have to improve on that when it comes to the next level especially against more experienced opponents. It will also help him become a more predictable teammate.

There are times where Burton puts his teammates under pressure with his disposal, which can result in turnovers or the play being broken up. Throughout the season, there were notable discrepancies between his kicking efficiency compared to his disposal by hand, so finding a balance between his daring creative nature and picking out options which suit the context of the game can help level that out.

AFL U18 Championships
Season   Team        K   HB   D   M   CP   UP   T   HO   CLR   I50   R50   GL   GM   K   H   D   M   HO   T   G   DC
2025   Vic Metro      31   31   62   16   16   46   9   0   4   6   9   0   4   7.8   7.8   15.5   4.0   0.0   2.3   0.0   59
Total   -                  31   31   62   16   16   46   9   0   4   6   9   0   4   7.8   7.8   15.5   4.0   0.0   2.3   0.0   59

Coates Talent League Boys
Season   Team          K   HB   D   M   CP   UP   T   HO   CLR   I50   R50   GL   GM   K   H   D   M   HO   T   G   DC
2024   Western Jets   89   77   166   27   0   0   39   0   0   17   18   0   7   12.7   11.0   23.7   3.9   0.0   5.6   0.0   79
2025   Western Jets   184   171   355   64   142   220   53   0   71   56   46   5   12   15.3   14.3   29.6   5.3   0.0   4.4   0.4   124
Total   -                    273   248   521   91   142   220   92   0   71   73   64   5   19   14.0   12.9   26.8   4.6   0.0   5.0   0.3   203


DRAFT RANGE: 35-50

SUMMARY:

Burton has the weapons to play AFL and would be best suited to a running half-back option, or even as a wingman before he looks to make a transition into the midfield as his career progresses. While he is expected to fall late in the second round, which could be pushed to an early-third round pick due to the bids on club-tied prospects, expect him to come under consideration for teams that could do with some speed.

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Re: SSP
« Reply #24 on: Yesterday at 07:32:54 PM »
Marcus Krasnadamskis

height: 201cm
D.O.B: 18-06-2007
Position: Ruck
Club: Eastern Ranges
Leagues: Coates Talent League Boys

STRENGTHS:

+ Athleticism
+ Competitiveness
+ Dexterity
+ Upside

IMPROVEMENTS:

- Rawness
- Strength

Ahead of what looms as a real 'diamonds in the rough' sort of draft, Marcus Krasnadamskis has emerged as a rising ruck star. The 201cm basketball convert put a potential college career behind him to make the permanent switch to footy. He was initially cut by Eastern Ranges to start the year, but found his way back and ended up a premiership player after fully committing.

Upside is the word that springs to mind when discussing Krasnadamskis. With such little exposure to the footballing pathway, he has shown plenty to suggest he'll be among the crop's best rucks - should he continue to develop so rapidly. He's a terrific athlete and proved as much at the state draft combine with several top 10 finishes, including for his 2.887-second 20m sprint.

That kind of mobility lends to his dextrous work at ground level, with Krasnadamskis quite comfortable and skilful with ball in hand. He has a healthy level of competitiveness and loves to get stuck into contests, but can continue to build strength to play that way against senior opposition. Endurance is another element he will need to boost before hitting the big time.

Coates Talent League Boys
Season   Team           K   HB   D   M   CP   UP   T   HO   CLR   I50   R50   GL   GM   K   H   D   M   HO   T   G   DC
2024   Eastern Ranges   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0
2025   Eastern Ranges   56   94   150   24   95   64   29   182   35   15   11   3   13   4.3   7.2   11.5   1.8   14.0   2.2   0.2   60
Total   -                     56   94   150   24   95   64   29   182   35   15   11   3   13   4.3   7.2   11.5   1.8   14.0   2.2   0.2   60


DRAFT RANGE: Late/Rookie

https://central.rookieme.com/afl/player/marcus-krasnadamskis/

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Re: SSP
« Reply #25 on: Yesterday at 07:51:51 PM »
Not sure about a half back whose main weaknesses are kicking efficient and decision making. Sounds like someone you wouldn’t want distributing the ball out of the back half.

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Re: SSP
« Reply #26 on: Yesterday at 10:41:11 PM »
1. Nank

Hopefully a couple seasons left.

2. Sims.

3. Hayes-Brown

Getting better. 63 hit-outs one vfl game, others 40+

4. Ryan.

Obviously limited but as fine the 4th ruck for one more year.

Fawcett. Lefau break glass emergency options. I don't see the point of another stop gap ruck ahead of a kid with upside.

All that said they prob take Burton.

Nank a few seasons so where is his replacement?

Sims is a key fwd who can pinch hit ruck, from the clubs mouth.

OH-B is quite literally still a rank long shot despite some improvement. yes about all he does is get hit outs.

Ryan is a dinosaur and already a bust imo. Low no agility cant mark not at afl level and still gets pushed around like a rag doll.

Atm there is 31 yo Nankervis and then day light.

We need both a junior genuine ruckman who has a footy background and we also need a mature back up for Nankervis.
It would allow us to pee off both Ryan and OH-B.