Terry's Next Contract

[Fluffy Tiger]

Hey Fluffy, who do you want to blame the supporters

Just dont believe that its a black and white as "good game" and "hang your head in shame".  I agree with some of what you say and I have never been a Wallace supporter but I cant see any possible good it does to say the guys that had a go but didnt succed "hang you head in shame". Do you agree its possble to have a go and not win?

[Tigertailz]

Nathan Browns performance yesterday was disgraceful also, Id almost drop him for that rubbish yesterday and whilst we are sticking the boots in, Axel Foley seems to have gotten ahead of himself since his Victorian game, hes been very average lately, and looking like a rookie listed player rather than the Victorian representative we had early in the season.

I think you'll find that the tagger that had been on Lids all year in the midfield has now been going to Foley which is why Lids stats have been so good and Foley has dropped off. Against Carlton he was head to head with Stevens and got beaten, but the kid is still only 21 so he'll get better.

I had a bad gut feeling about this game walking to the G yesterday.
  l think it was obvious that Stevens was going to be the one to really step up in lieu of Judd.
Should have been tagged from the beginning.Wallet paid him no respect and he totally ripped us to shreds.Not bad for a bloke that has some serious back and neck issues that require ongoing treatment each week!
Overall i agree that Ratten totally outcoached wallet and brilliant mindgames with the announcement of Judd not playing the day before.
 

[jackstar]

Hey Fluffy, who do you want to blame the supporters

Just dont believe that its a black and white as "good game" and "hang your head in shame".  I agree with some of what you say and I have never been a Wallace supporter but I cant see any possible good it does to say the guys that had a go but didnt succed "hang you head in shame". Do you agree its possble to have a go and not win?

It is black and white actually.
As a team they lost, the game was there to be won at three quarter time and they couldnt do it as a team and werent good enough. Not enogh leaders in the team or direction in regards to game plan. Would love to know what was said at the three quarter time break. Most of the players played unaccountable football in the last quarter, thus were blown away.

Funny thing after the siren though
I sat in the AFL members and even the Carlton supporters were giving it to Wallace and the team when they came off the ground. Quite odd as there theme song was playing but they were more intent in getting stuck into Wallace , lol

[mightytiges]

The game was gone at 3/4 time. You can't run yourselves ragged for 3 quarters setting up gimme goal opportunity after gimme goal opportunity for such little reward on the scoreboard. It rips the heart out of sides and keeps the hopes up of the opposition. We blew the game before the last quarter.    

If so-called professional footballers can't stick a little red ball between two big  stationary sticks from 15m out on a 50 degree angle or 35-40m on a slight angle then all your specialised tactics are worth bugger all. Worst still is kicking points these days is giving most oppositions freebie rebounds.

[jackstar]

The game was gone at 3/4 time. You can't run yourselves ragged for 3 quarters setting up gimme goal opportunity after gimme goal opportunity for such little reward on the scoreboard. It rips the heart out of sides and keeps the hopes up of the opposition. We blew the game before the last quarter.    

If so-called professional footballers can't stick a little red ball between two big  stationary sticks from 15m out on a 50 degree angle or 35-40m on a slight angle then all your specialised tactics are worth bugger all. Worst still is kicking points these days is giving most oppositions freebie rebounds.

You must have been to Terrys school of spin.
Who played on Nick Stevens in the last quarter, Kade Simpson, Marc Murphy and Bryce Gibbs, ??  I know whitches hats that who.!
The didnt have Judd either

[tiga]

Saying today was a disgrace is a little strong. I believe we were the dominant team for most of the game if not, at least highly competitive. Sure we didn't stick with it when it counted but I think using the term "Disgrace" is an injustice to quite a few of our players who performed admirably today but I guess it shows just how bitter you can be at times Jack.

Why do you take you glasses off and watch the game. Tell me WHO played admirably?
Got beat by 5 goals after leading at each change,
I will tell you what the postives are from the game, Cotchin, Morton, Lids, Moore, Morton. Hughes. 

Well why do I need to debate you Jack when you already appear to be debating with yourself.  ??? Every palyer you mentioned were the ones I was talking about except we only have one Morton at the RFC. As soon as you stop answering your own questions there may be room ror some discussion but until then you have your sandbox to yourself.

[jackstar]

Tiga, its a disgrace we got beat, Its a team game.
Would think every player could have contributed more in the last quarter

[the_boy_jake]

I honestly believe Terry is approaching the end game. My tip is that we will only win 3 more games this season. 8 wins would be dissapointing for the season and 2009 would have to be a breakout season for a lot of lads on our list to turn the tide.

[mightytiges]

The game was gone at 3/4 time. You can't run yourselves ragged for 3 quarters setting up gimme goal opportunity after gimme goal opportunity for such little reward on the scoreboard. It rips the heart out of sides and keeps the hopes up of the opposition. We blew the game before the last quarter.    

If so-called professional footballers can't stick a little red ball between two big  stationary sticks from 15m out on a 50 degree angle or 35-40m on a slight angle then all your specialised tactics are worth bugger all. Worst still is kicking points these days is giving most oppositions freebie rebounds.

You must have been to Terrys school of spin.
Who played on Nick Stevens in the last quarter, Kade Simpson, Marc Murphy and Bryce Gibbs, ??  I know whitches hats that who.!
The didnt have Judd either

Only watched the last quarter did you Jack?!

2.7 acceptable from the type of straightforward shots we had in the first quarter? Should have been 7.2 at least and with the first 2 goals of the 2nd quarter we should have been 7 goals up = game over. But to Jack that had no effect on the result.

Browny as a forward kicking 6 points and no goals up to 3/4 time acceptable? No complaints from Jack.

You can blame the coach all you like for tactical moves in the last qtr but if believe others being peeed off with our pathetic goalkicking on the weekend is "spin" then why should we take anything you say any differently.

Tiga, its a disgrace we got beat

You're the one who rated Carlton ahead of Richmond yet you're the most upset we lost to them. Odd! I'm upset we lost because we should have kicked all those sodas we missed and won. If they were shots from out wide by the boundary, quick snaps under physically pressure or long bombs outside 50 you could justify it in some way but ost of our shots weren't. But we can't blame the coach for that so let's ignore it lol.

[Francois Jackson]

The game was gone at 3/4 time. You can't run yourselves ragged for 3 quarters setting up gimme goal opportunity after gimme goal opportunity for such little reward on the scoreboard. It rips the heart out of sides and keeps the hopes up of the opposition. We blew the game before the last quarter.     

If so-called professional footballers can't stick a little red ball between two big  stationary sticks from 15m out on a 50 degree angle or 35-40m on a slight angle then all your specialised tactics are worth bugger all. Worst still is kicking points these days is giving most oppositions freebie rebounds.

You must have been to Terrys school of spin.
Who played on Nick Stevens in the last quarter, Kade Simpson, Marc Murphy and Bryce Gibbs, ??  I know whitches hats that who.!
The didnt have Judd either

Only watched the last quarter did you Jack?!

2.7 acceptable from the type of straightforward shots we had in the first quarter? Should have been 7.2 at least and with the first 2 goals of the 2nd quarter we should have been 7 goals up = game over. But to Jack that had no effect on the result.

Browny as a forward kicking 6 points and no goals up to 3/4 time acceptable? No complaints from Jack.

You can blame the coach all you like for tactical moves in the last qtr but if believe others being peeed off with our pathetic goalkicking on the weekend is "spin" then why should we take anything you say any differently.

Tiga, its a disgrace we got beat

You're the one who rated Carlton ahead of Richmond yet you're the most upset we lost to them. Odd! I'm upset we lost because we should have kicked all those sodas we missed and won. If they were shots from out wide by the boundary, quick snaps under physically pressure or long bombs outside 50 you could justify it in some way but ost of our shots weren't. But we can't blame the coach for that so let's ignore it lol.

Mt i think u live in dream land sometimes. ZI know you want success and all but how can say it was the easy shots that lost us the game.
true bad kicking is bad football but how many behinds did the BLUES kick again?

thats right exactly the same so they were in the same boat.

at the end of the day it was match day decisions like not tagging stevo and jack maybe even richo in the backline, then richo at FF which lost us the game.

Come on mate get your Terry Wallace goggles off and watch the replay again.

i just want Tw and his mates to NEVER talk up another game ever again.

line in the sand....hahaha

[mightytiges]

I honestly believe Terry is approaching the end game. My tip is that we will only win 3 more games this season. 8 wins would be dissapointing for the season and 2009 would have to be a breakout season for a lot of lads on our list to turn the tide.

8 wins this year would be on expectations IMO. Could/should have we won more - yep - but we haven't been simply good enough to play footy at the level required consistently enough during games as well as from game to game all year and that's what has cost us. 8 wins would also give us a top 5 pick. Good for our list but not for Plough's chances of seeing beyond his current contract. I still think he'll see out his 5 years but we'll look for someone else for 2010 and beyond. The only thing that will change that is, as you said Jake, the team would have to have a major breakout year but I still think we are a couple of years from that with our young list.

[Hellenic Tiger]

Its not only the amount of wins you earn in a year its also the opposition you beat.
Carlton  9th
Fremantle 14th
Essendon 12th
Melbourne 16th
Port         13th
Doesn't read out like a roll call of the big guns.
Sure bad kicking is bad football and we were all rapt in rd 1 when the roles were reversed and Rotten had no moves in the last qt for the Blues but yesterdays loss was galling to the whole footy club considering the promotion tumult and merryment we had accompanying it. Okay people will say we are rebuilding but we kind of weren't in 05 and 06 and our records in "big games" was poor then too.
Sure Terry has struggled in that area and he may not be the man going forward but then again we have had poor results in "big game" area against finals opposition since the 1982 Grand Final. Sure we can isolate Terry's moves on a given day which don't help our cause at all nor his so called savvyness where we talk the talk but not walk the walk but the culture at Punt Rd is an intrinsic component to our lack of success over a generation and unless that is changed we will continually fail and flounder against the Big Boys in the Big Games in this Comp.
The real issues/ problems the ones that are deep rooted such as negative culture and perhaps the psyche of the players and overestimation of some of our players the God like status we give players after a win who then proceed to do nothing. It comes in levels known as JPS Justin Plapp Syndrome or NDTI or Nick Daffy Terminal Illness, or our psyche as fans who have been starved of any success and hence we are either always optimistic/ pessimistic over a long period of time waiting for that drought breaking breakthrough success. These problems unfortunantely will still be decaying our club well after Terry (The Messiah) has left the building.

[the_boy_jake]

I honestly believe Terry is approaching the end game. My tip is that we will only win 3 more games this season. 8 wins would be dissapointing for the season and 2009 would have to be a breakout season for a lot of lads on our list to turn the tide.

8 wins this year would be on expectations IMO. Could/should have we won more - yep - but we haven't been simply good enough to play footy at the level required consistently enough during games as well as from game to game all year and that's what has cost us. 8 wins would also give us a top 5 pick. Good for our list but not for Plough's chances of seeing beyond his current contract. I still think he'll see out his 5 years but we'll look for someone else for 2010 and beyond. The only thing that will change that is, as you said Jake, the team would have to have a major breakout year but I still think we are a couple of years from that with our young list.

This is exactly the problem for me MT. The game should have been over at QT yesterday and with the inconsistencies in our game there is always going to be a chance for the other mob to get back into the game. How many 4 quarter games have we played this season? Essendon? Any others

I would have hoped 4 years into a rebuilding cycle that you'd at least be a bit more consistent and I think it makes it hard for the board to trust TW beyond this contract unless we have a very solid season next season.

[Hellenic Tiger]

Essendon no we squandered a 50 point half time lead. Freo was our only 4 quarter effort of the season.
So was Sydney but for all the wrong reasons.

[mightytiges]

To those that say our goalkicking didn't matter to the end result......

We had more scoring shots for over 3/4ers of the game and until after the Blues had hit the front in the last quarter. They had something like 11 of the last 14 scoring shots of which 7 were goals. We had our chances to put them away well before then.

From memory our first 9 shots on goal:
Browny tries to kick a difficult one off the ground - miss
Morton 15 out on a 60 degree angle - miss
Browny with the same shot as Morton - miss
Newy runs to 40 directly in front - miss
Browny receives handball from Cotchin in space runs to 35 on a 20 degree angle - miss
Morton gets another chance same as his first shot - goal
Browny from 45 on a 45 degree angle outer side - miss
Lids same shot as Browny after the siren - goal
IIRC the one I'm missing was rushed.

I don't care what Carlton did. No control over that. Port had more scoring shots last week but we won because we kicked straight. Dogs had more scoring shots but we drew. We had more scoring shots against St Kilda but lost. We control our goalkicking and most of those misses above are unforgivable at any level let alone AFL. I don't care what anyone says. And you can't blame fatigue in the first quarter either . When you add Hughes and Simmo's goals early in the 2nd quarter it should have been game over. Browny missed another gimme straight after Simmo's goal too which Carlton ran up the ground for their 2nd goal. So instead of an 8 goal lead it was back to under 2 goals. But hey keep telling me it made no difference!    

I'm not saying the tactics, match-ups and tags aren't important but the game could and should have been over by the 10 minute mark of the 2nd quarter. People including those at AFL clubs severely neglect the importance of accurate goalkicking to winning games. At the end of the day it's the whole point to the sport.