Trade week rumours and innuendo

[Hellenic Tiger]

It's becoming increasingly likely that Raines will br our only trade during trade week..

I know its sad but who have we got that has some currency. Not many. Says alot about our list. Those that are tradeable we won't give up and those we want to trade have no value whatsoever. The cull will must continue next year and must shed some 25 players over those two years otherwise we will be mothballs for the next five with no pot of gold at the end of our rainbow.

[torch]

It's becoming increasingly likely that Raines will br our only trade during trade week..

looks like Coburg are going to have a great team in 2010.

Tuck, McMahon, Polak, Schulz, Pattison, Hislop, Thomson, Edwards, Putt, King, Connors, Browne, Gilligan, Gourdis.

 

[3rogerd]

wait till the bartering starts, we are there too offload.

[Hellenic Tiger]

wait till the bartering starts, we are there too offload.

Beggars can't be choosers. I hope so.

[WA Tiger]

Anyone got the picks of all the teams so we can list them and look back at what we could get for our players, cheers. What is Brisbanes 3rd round pick that they are offering for Raines??

[the_boy_jake]

Anyone got the picks of all the teams so we can list them and look back at what we could get for our players, cheers. What is Brisbanes 3rd round pick that they are offering for Raines??

Haven't got a list but if it will be around 44.

[WA Tiger]

Anyone got the picks of all the teams so we can list them and look back at what we could get for our players, cheers. What is Brisbanes 3rd round pick that they are offering for Raines??

Haven't got a list but if it will be around 44.

Thanks mate, gee, pick 44, seems a long way down in such a shallow draft doesnt it????

[the_boy_jake]

Thanks mate, gee, pick 44, seems a long way down in such a shallow draft doesnt it????

Is a long way down. The problem is 10% that it is a shallow draft and 90% that our recruiters have a scheizenhousen record with any picks after the first round. Since 2004 Pattison, Polo, McGuane, Hughes, Casserly, Edwards, Connors, Peterson, Collins, Putt, Post, Hislop.

Of those I'm pretty happy with the potential of Post and Collins, McGuane and Polo good in patches but need to lift their games again, Pattison hack, Hislop will get a clean slate this year but needs to improve massively. That's it. Terrible recruiting.

[WA Tiger]

Thanks mate, gee, pick 44, seems a long way down in such a shallow draft doesnt it????

Is a long way down. The problem is 10% that it is a shallow draft and 90% that our recruiters have a scheizenhousen record with any picks after the first round. Since 2004 Pattison, Polo, McGuane, Hughes, Casserly, Edwards, Connors, Peterson, Collins, Putt, Post, Hislop.

Of those I'm pretty happy with the potential of Post and Collins, McGuane and Polo good in patches but need to lift their games again, Pattison hack, Hislop will get a clean slate this year but needs to improve massively. That's it. Terrible recruiting.

Yeah agree, not much to jump up and down about in that list is there?

[one-eyed]

Andrew Lovett could go either west to Fremantle or north to Brisbane via different paths. His management has requested a three-year deal worth $1.2m. Freo are prepared to pay Lovett $1.5m over 3-years if he elects to remain out of contract until the pre-season draft in December at which the Dockers have the third selection. Under that scenario, Essendon would receive no compensation.

Port Adelaide coach Mark Williams, in need of an established ruckman to replace the recently retired Brendon Lade, has turned his attention to Carlton big man Shaun Hampson. Williams is believed to be prepared to on-trade to Carlton the first-round pick Port Adelaide would receive from Hawthorn should the two clubs agree on a suitable trade deal for Shaun Burgoyne. But his willingness to hand the Blues selection No.9 is not shared by the rest of his football department.

The Power has also sounded out the availability of Melbourne ruckman Mark Jamar.

Port Adelaide has requested Hawthorn's first selection and either Jordan Lewis or Grant Birchall to satisfy its end before releasing Burgoyne. However, the Hawks are resisting releasing either player.

Contracted West Coast utility Brent Staker could join Collingwood despite being recently entertained at the Gabba by Brisbane.

Sydney premiership player Amon Buchanan appears likely to exit the Swans by agreeing to be moved on next week.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,26152643-5013406,00.html

[one-eyed]

Anyone got the picks of all the teams so we can list them and look back at what we could get for our players, cheers. What is Brisbanes 3rd round pick that they are offering for Raines??

Here's the order before trade week.....

http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum//index.php?topic=10029.0

[WilliamPowell]

It's becoming increasingly likely that Raines will br our only trade during trade week..

looks like Coburg are going to have a great team in 2010.

Tuck, McMahon, Polak, Schulz, Pattison, Hislop, Thomson, Edwards, Putt, King, Connors, Browne, Gilligan, Gourdis.

 

SOme of those can still be moved on .... those out of contract.... it's called de-listing 

[Smokey]

Thanks mate, gee, pick 44, seems a long way down in such a shallow draft doesnt it????

Is a long way down. The problem is 10% that it is a shallow draft and 90% that our recruiters have a scheizenhousen record with any picks after the first round. Since 2004 Pattison, Polo, McGuane, Hughes, Casserly, Edwards, Connors, Peterson, Collins, Putt, Post, Hislop.

Of those I'm pretty happy with the potential of Post and Collins, McGuane and Polo good in patches but need to lift their games again, Pattison hack, Hislop will get a clean slate this year but needs to improve massively. That's it. Terrible recruiting.

It might not be the best recruiting jake but we haven't done much better or worse than most other sides as far as choosing players who 'make' it as an AFL player.  Where we have failed is in choosing some that become great players, not just serviceable players.  He is an interesting comparison with Geelong from a poster on tiger-talk:

The year we drafted JON we had 3 draft picks. Problem - no room for error.

Irrespective of strong or weak drafts, look at Geelong's draft years from 1999 thru 2001 when this team was primarily built. No rookies included here, only ND picks.

1999 - 8 picks - 4 hits - Corey, Chapman, Ling, Enright.  So far only Corey was selected as their first selection and Chapman was their 5th selection in that draft. Ling their 6th and Enright their 7th.

2000 - 3 draft picks - 1 hit - Josh Hunt (tho Rooke was a rookie)

2001 - 8 draft picks - 4 hits - Bartel, Kelly, Johnson and Ablett (F/S)

They therefore missed on more than 50%, but unlike us, who had been keeping players like Schulz's, the Krakouer's etc on the list to long and having very few draft picks most years, they cast their nets wide enough to get the talent.

The other interesting thing I learned whilst checking this, was they had multiple 2nd and 3rd rounders.

This makes me think it's imperative to trade up as much as possible.  Players like McMahon, Schulz, Hughes may still have a small amount of currency for other teams and we must make the most of it and then cast our net even wider than Geelong did.

But, whilst I would never say never, trading our top picks away for players is a short term way to achieve long term failure.

http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/tiger-talk/message/92436

[the_boy_jake]

It might not be the best recruiting jake but we haven't done much better or worse than most other sides as far as choosing players who 'make' it as an AFL player.  Where we have failed is in choosing some that become great players, not just serviceable players.  He is an interesting comparison with Geelong from a poster on tiger-talk:

The year we drafted JON we had 3 draft picks. Problem - no room for error.

Irrespective of strong or weak drafts, look at Geelong's draft years from 1999 thru 2001 when this team was primarily built. No rookies included here, only ND picks.

1999 - 8 picks - 4 hits - Corey, Chapman, Ling, Enright.  So far only Corey was selected as their first selection and Chapman was their 5th selection in that draft. Ling their 6th and Enright their 7th.

2000 - 3 draft picks - 1 hit - Josh Hunt (tho Rooke was a rookie)

2001 - 8 draft picks - 4 hits - Bartel, Kelly, Johnson and Ablett (F/S)

They therefore missed on more than 50%, but unlike us, who had been keeping players like Schulz's, the Krakouer's etc on the list to long and having very few draft picks most years, they cast their nets wide enough to get the talent.

The other interesting thing I learned whilst checking this, was they had multiple 2nd and 3rd rounders.

This makes me think it's imperative to trade up as much as possible.  Players like McMahon, Schulz, Hughes may still have a small amount of currency for other teams and we must make the most of it and then cast our net even wider than Geelong did.

But, whilst I would never say never, trading our top picks away for players is a short term way to achieve long term failure.

http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/tiger-talk/message/92436

Its a good post. You can add Steve Johnson (24) and Matthew Stokes (61) to show how they've continued to develop there late picks.

Of course Geelong's entire situation is obscured as they got the best midfielder and defender in the land under the father-son rule. And then there is the question of how much is development and coming into a professional successful unit and how much good recruiting, but you are right those early picks Corey Chapman Ling Enright set them on the way.

[Stripes]

I agree - a good post that highlights part of our failing recruiting strategy int he past. Makes a lot of sense really - recruit as many as you can and, regardless of their initially selection order, see who rises to the top. We just haven't brought in enough kids every year and been too patient with the average achievers hoping they will realize their potential.

While I don't think we need to cull a player after two or three years in the system, if they fail to step up after this point (unless there is extenuating circumstances) then we should set them adrift. Players such as JON, Cogs, Hughes, Meyer, Petts and now Schulz were given far too much time. While I sit in hope Schulz will step up this year it is unlikely so he really should go. We can no longer afford to 'hope' a player will begin to perform - if they don't come on within the first few years they need to be replaced by players who do.

Success never comes by chance or miracle. It comes from hard work, hard decisions and hard times. This is where our recruiting and club is at.

Stripes