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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: tony_montana on July 27, 2010, 11:29:04 PM
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The season is almost done & dusted, the list management team would pretty much have worked out whose going and whose staying by now. Who do you think is gonski?
For mine:
Mcmahon
Roberts
Simmonds
Gilligan
Thompson
Polo
King
Cousins (50/50)
Polak (50/50)
That's 7 definites and 2 that could go either way. FTR, I would seriosly consider giving King a 1 year extension on exposed form but have it on good authority that he's already been told earlier in the season his papers are stamped. Funnily enough since then he's been in career best form and has impressed wth his discipline and ability to play a role :lol
Think that Matty White, Gus Graham, Connors and Tuck have saved/extended their careers proving they have a role to play in the short term at least. Players like Tambling/McGuane would be my trade bait. Nahas on thin ice but will survive for mine purely due to list structure and our lack of fwd pocket crumbers.
After this cleanout there'll be another 7-8 players coming under the spotlight this time next season, don't think its wise to cut another 13-14 at once this season, 8-10 will suffice including trades.
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simmonds
mcmahon
roberts
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polak
king
polo
thomson
hislop
hope Cousins gets another years
maybe hardwick will cut one of Gourdis/Gilligan/Westhoff/Hicks
- would be the first dozen or so considered
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The season is almost done & dusted, the list management team would pretty much have worked out whose going and whose staying by now. Who do you think is gonski?
For mine:
Mcmahon
Roberts
Simmonds
Gilligan
Thompson
Polo
King
Cousins (50/50)
Polak (50/50)
Pretty much agree with your list TM. Polak gone for sure, going by Hardwick's recent comments King might be safe for another season, Cousins closer to 80/20 staying for 1 more. Hislop might go also.
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Hislop
Thomson
McMahon
Polak
Simmonds
Polo
In danger Nahas, King, Roberts and McGuane. Believe King and McGuane will survive. Don't believe will delist Hicks as only just elevated.
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The season is almost done & dusted, the list management team would pretty much have worked out whose going and whose staying by now. Who do you think is gonski?
For mine:
Mcmahon
Roberts
Simmonds
Gilligan
Thompson
Polo
King
Cousins (50/50)
Polak (50/50)
That's 7 definites and 2 that could go either way. FTR, I would seriosly consider giving King a 1 year extension on exposed form but have it on good authority that he's already been told earlier in the season his papers are stamped. Funnily enough since then he's been in career best form and has impressed wth his discipline and ability to play a role :lol
Think that Matty White, Gus Graham, Connors and Tuck have saved/extended their careers proving they have a role to play in the short term at least. Players like Tambling/McGuane would be my trade bait. Nahas on thin ice but will survive for mine purely due to list structure and our lack of fwd pocket crumbers.
After this cleanout there'll be another 7-8 players coming under the spotlight this time next season, don't think its wise to cut another 13-14 at once this season, 8-10 will suffice including trades.
Nahas is going nowhere with us now. He should be on the list as well. We are second last - at least 10 changes are needed.
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Nahas only 21
50 goals already in vfl season
played very well vs port
I think he might be keep for deapth / coburg
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I agree with most of your list assessment TM -
This is my omission guesses -
List
Simmonds (retired)
McMahon (gone from start of season)
Polo (shown nothing)
Thompson (injuries and form)
Hislop (injuries and form)
Cousins (kept as skills coach)
King (may survive but not in long term plans)
Nahas (dropped away and surpassed)
Rookie List
Gilligan
Roberts
Polak
Gourdis(can't seem to break into the team after 3 years)
Italics names are unlikely possibilities
That would give us between 6-8 choices in the National Draft and 3-4 in the Rookie (assuming Hicks and Browne are kept as rookies) picks.
Stripes
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torch said it on another thread, apart from the 5 wins and the Hawthorn loss, we've been pretty much belted in every game.
I expect some tough and surprising calls to be made.
Bye bye:
Simmonds
Polo
McMahon
Thomson
King
White
Gourdis
Gilligan
Polak
Roberts
Cousins
Trades:
Tambling
Morton
One of McGuane, Thursfield or Rance
Jackson
Nahas
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torch said it on another thread, apart from the 5 wins and the Hawthorn loss, we've been pretty much belted in every game.
I expect some tough and surprising calls to be made.
Bye bye:
Simmonds
Polo
McMahon
Thomson
King
White
Gourdis
Gilligan
Polak
Roberts
Cousins
Trades:
Tambling
Morton
One of McGuane, Thursfield or Rance
Jackson
Nahas
16 changes after 14 last year?
You're kidding yourself
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16 changes after 14 last year?
You're kidding yourself
The guys on the trade list would be offered up for trade, it doesn't necessarily mean another team would want them.
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First 5 to go without even needing to think about it:
mcmahon
hislop
polak
thomson
nahas
Unsure:
Cousins
Roberts
Polo
Already gone:
simmonds(retired)
Players to trade who are easily covered:
Moore
Polo
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Gone
Simmonds (ret)
McMahon
Thomson
Polo
Hislop (delist and re-rookie given the rumours he's staying)
Gilligan (rookie)
Polak (rookie)
Roberts (rookie)
Attempt to trade:
Morton
McGuane
Nahas
I'd suggest that if we can't trade a couple of players out then Cousins will probably be going too
I think Hardwick rates White & King who have played pretty well under Hardwick
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Players to trade who are easily covered:
Polo
Polo wouldn't get us anything.
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Hislop (delist and re-rookie given the rumours he's staying)
Good idea.
I have heard he's staying as well, but sticking him on the rookie list would be the go.
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With this draft going to be gc dominated & picks at a premium you would think our cull wouldn't be anything like last yrs
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10 changes needed minimum IMHO.
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Don't forget these decisions depend on contractual situations.......
Contracts List:
Coming out of contract:
Connors, Cousins, Edwards, King, Graham, Hislop, McMahon, Moore, Polo, Post, Tambling, Thomson, Vickery, White
2011: Astbury, Browne, Collins, Dea, Farmer, Grimes, Griffiths, Jackson, Martin, Morton, Nahas, Nason, Newman, Rance, Riewoldt, Taylor, Thursfield, Webberley
2012: Deledio, Foley, McGuane, Tuck
2013: Cotchin
Rookies:
David Gourdis (2nd year rookie)
Alroy Gilligan (2nd year rookie)
Jamie O'Reilly (international rookie - signed until end of 2011)
Robert Hicks (1st year rookie)
Pat Contin (1st year rookie)
Relton Roberts (1st year rookie)
Nick Westhoff (1st year rookie)
Graham Polak (mature age rookie)
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With this draft going to be gc dominated & picks at a premium you would think our cull wouldn't be anything like last yrs
I have read somewhere that most clubs will go with the min number of picks (3) this year due to Gold Coast picks. To me that says we wont cut anywhere near what some of your are sugesting. I would think that probaly 6 off the list plus some rookies would be about max after last years turnover. That is unless we can trade for some decent picks but I cant see much of that.
For Me
Gone
Simmonds (ret)
McMahon
Thomson
Polo (atempt to trade but dont like the chances)
King
Hislop (delist and re-rookie does seem like a posability)
Gilligan (rookie)
Polak (rookie)
Roberts (rookie)
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I have read somewhere that most clubs will go with the min number of picks (3) this year due to Gold Coast picks.
If this is going to be the norm this year. A club like ours might sit back and evaluate other clubs delistings. Thus the more clubs that take only 3 or 4 picks in this years draft, the higher up the proverbial pecking order our picks shall rise. :)
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10 changes needed minimum IMHO.
more!
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I reckon if you are hoping for 8 or more changes to the senior list you are going to be disappointed
As I've said before how many changes to the senior list will depend on what they do with rookies. Promote rookies and I don't think you'll have more than 4 picks in the draft
I reckon 5 changes at senior list level is most likely and perhaps 1 or 2 at rookie level
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The recruiting department has more resources. Which would you prefer try new players or stick with some players that you know are not quite upto it because of the compromised draft?
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How do u know they are nor up to it? Both jon and Peterson got better afterwe got rid of them
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for example hislop who was draft in 2006 @ 20 might come good
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Seen enough of Hislop to know not going to make it.
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Paterson can't get a game at St. Kilda
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Paterson can't get a game at St. Kilda
I think he means Petersen at Hawthorn.
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We're still 15th aren't we?
Have found some players but only done half the job.
Goneski 11
Polo
Thomson
Gourdis
Hislop
Gilligan
Polak
McMahon
Roberts
King
Cousins
Simmonds
along with some possible trades..
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Polo you would think is gone given he's been dropped this week.
Nahas the other one dropped and in danger. Will his contract save him as his trade value would be close to zilch?
Mine goneskies are close to yours Magic....
Simmonds (ret.)
Polo
Thomson
Hislop
McMahon
Polak#
Gourdis#
Roberts#
Gilligan#
Leaves us with 4 picks in the National draft (eg: 4, 27, 44, 61 if we finish last) and one in the PSD. Four rookie picks though.
King should go too but I've got a feeling Dimma will keep him on for the short-term until a cub is ready to replace him for good.
Cuz could still decide to retire but on current form there's a spot for him for another year.
Any more picks will come down to trades: Polo, Nahas for late picks since to Raines last year? GC could pick up Polo for nothing though as he's uncontracted.
That's fairly conservative but unless say GC is willing to cough up a decent-to-high pick for say McGaune then we aren't in a strong trading position.
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I don't think Hislop will going anywhere ;D
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I don't think Hislop will going anywhere ;D
:help
Seriously he's a spud and will not be part of our next premiership. Just another King-type of footballer. He;d be my top 3 to go along with Jordie and Thomson. All wasted picks on recycled fringe players from other clubs :banghead.
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We're still 15th aren't we?
Have found some players but only done half the job.
Goneski 11
Polo
Thomson
Gourdis
Hislop
Gilligan
Polak
McMahon
Roberts
King
Cousins
Simmonds
along with some possible trades..
would totally agree
Disgrace that Hislop as a player got this far, he cannot kick and is a sniper, no thanks, if they keep him, BIG MISTAKE
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Disgrace that Hislop as a player got this far, he cannot kick and is a sniper, no thanks, if they keep him, BIG MISTAKE
Agree Jack.
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I don't think Hislop will going anywhere ;D
He hasn't gone anywhere so far. Slower than a tree.
I'd be absolutely astounded if he got another deal.
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Disgrace that Hislop as a player got this far, he cannot kick and is a sniper, no thanks, if they keep him, BIG MISTAKE
Agree Jack.
MT, if we keep players like Hislop, big mistake, the club will never learn :banghead?
Cant play anywhere but forward and his game is" error ridden"
Also he is also a bit "'ahead of hismelf "' off the field which is a further worry
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Disgrace that Hislop as a player got this far, he cannot kick and is a sniper, no thanks, if they keep him, BIG MISTAKE
Agree Jack.
I agree with MT because MT represents the leadership on OER :lol ;D
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Disgrace that Hislop as a player got this far, he cannot kick and is a sniper, no thanks, if they keep him, BIG MISTAKE
Agree Jack.
I agree with MT because MT represents the leadership on OER :lol ;D
:lol Some of your best work recently Ramps - life must be good!!
And in your humble opinion, who is in the OER leadership group?
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Thats easy smokey
Brackets and X , LOL
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Thats easy smokey
Brackets and X , LOL
:lol :lol
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the problem is gold coast have already alot of the talent pool
a) in the team now
b) in this next draft
will be as easy to find 10+ players of fair ablity?
We're still 15th aren't we?
Have found some players but only done half the job.
Goneski 11
Polo
Thomson
Gourdis
Hislop
Gilligan
Polak
McMahon
Roberts
King
Cousins
Simmonds
along with some possible trades..
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Disgrace that Hislop as a player got this far, he cannot kick and is a sniper, no thanks, if they keep him, BIG MISTAKE
Agree Jack.
MT, if we keep players like Hislop, big mistake, the club will never learn :banghead?
Cant play anywhere but forward and his game is" error ridden"
Also he is also a bit "'ahead of hismelf "' off the field which is a further worry
one of your best posts.
Hislop is for the tip. keep him and we are going nowhere. he brings donuts to our club and to his teammates on the field.
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Disgrace that Hislop as a player got this far, he cannot kick and is a sniper, no thanks, if they keep him, BIG MISTAKE
Agree Jack.
I agree with MT because MT represents the leadership on OER :lol ;D
:lol Some of your best work recently Ramps - life must be good!!
And in your humble opinion, who is in the OER leadership group?
I tried looking for that famous picture of the group of monkeys with there paws on there chins but I couldnt find it, Im disappointed, It would have made a decent response. ;D You know its the one that alot of our supporters used to have as an avatar with the message underneath about being Richmonds Recruiting Staff!
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Disgrace that Hislop as a player got this far, he cannot kick and is a sniper, no thanks, if they keep him, BIG MISTAKE
Agree Jack.
I agree with MT because MT represents the leadership on OER :lol ;D
:lol Some of your best work recently Ramps - life must be good!!
And in your humble opinion, who is in the OER leadership group?
I tried looking for that famous picture of the group of monkeys with there paws on there chins but I couldnt find it, Im disappointed, It would have made a decent response. ;D You know its the one that alot of our supporters used to have as an avatar with the message underneath about being Richmonds Recruiting Staff!
OER's leadership group ;D
(http://www.applesassy.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/monkeys.bmp)
WP, FNM, Ramps and Jackstar :wallywink
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Disgrace that Hislop as a player got this far, he cannot kick and is a sniper, no thanks, if they keep him, BIG MISTAKE
Agree Jack.
MT, if we keep players like Hislop, big mistake, the club will never learn :banghead?
Cant play anywhere but forward and his game is" error ridden"
Also he is also a bit "'ahead of hismelf "' off the field which is a further worry
His on-field deficiencies are more concerning and numerous. A footballer with VFL level skills and pace. His displays of "toughness" are too often cheap shots which belong in the 1970s/80s; not 2010.
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Disgrace that Hislop as a player got this far, he cannot kick and is a sniper, no thanks, if they keep him, BIG MISTAKE
Agree Jack.
I agree with MT because MT represents the leadership on OER :lol ;D
:lol Some of your best work recently Ramps - life must be good!!
And in your humble opinion, who is in the OER leadership group?
I tried looking for that famous picture of the group of monkeys with there paws on there chins but I couldnt find it, Im disappointed, It would have made a decent response. ;D You know its the one that alot of our supporters used to have as an avatar with the message underneath about being Richmonds Recruiting Staff!
OER's leadership group ;D
(http://www.applesassy.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/monkeys.bmp)
WP, FNM, Ramps and Jackstar :wallywink
am a bit concerned about my ears, mmmmmmmmmm
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am a bit concerned about my ears, mmmmmmmmmm
:lol
Funny thread guys.
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Disgrace that Hislop as a player got this far, he cannot kick and is a sniper, no thanks, if they keep him, BIG MISTAKE
Agree Jack.
I agree with MT because MT represents the leadership on OER :lol ;D
:lol Some of your best work recently Ramps - life must be good!!
And in your humble opinion, who is in the OER leadership group?
I tried looking for that famous picture of the group of monkeys with there paws on there chins but I couldnt find it, Im disappointed, It would have made a decent response. ;D You know its the one that alot of our supporters used to have as an avatar with the message underneath about being Richmonds Recruiting Staff!
OER's leadership group ;D
(http://www.applesassy.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/monkeys.bmp)
WP, FNM, Ramps and Jackstar :wallywink
According to this picture, Jackstar has come out with some new information and the rest of gang are thinking what the eff is he talking about now ;D
Oh yeah I forgot, Jackos not happy about the ears how about the monkey Ive been attributed with- looks like Prince Charles ears :D
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I believe you'll find 10-12 players chopped/traded at seasons end from both the senior and rookie list.
Simmo (ret)
Jordie (delist)
Hislop (delist)
Thompson (delist)
Polak (delist)
Roberts (delist)
Polo (trade/delist - I believe we will get a late pick for him)
Nahas (trade - see Polo)
Tambling (trade or keep)
Gourdis (delist)
Gilligan (delist, although I would love to see him play 2 or 3 games in the seniors)
King/White (at least one of these guys needs to go)
McGuane/Rance (as above)
Any less than 10 changes will be disappointing IMO, although in saying that I don't think I'll be disappointed. ;)
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I think we'll have around 8.
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max rooke was not a great player when jenqas hislop age.
Disgrace that Hislop as a player got this far, he cannot kick and is a sniper, no thanks, if they keep him, BIG MISTAKE
Agree Jack.
MT, if we keep players like Hislop, big mistake, the club will never learn :banghead?
Cant play anywhere but forward and his game is" error ridden"
Also he is also a bit "'ahead of hismelf "' off the field which is a further worry
His on-field deficiencies are more concerning and numerous. A footballer with VFL level skills and pace. His displays of "toughness" are too often cheap shots which belong in the 1970s/80s; not 2010.
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thought I'd bump this thread after hearing talk of only minimal 3-4 changes to our list. Yuck :chuck
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GONE LIST
Simmonds
Polak
Thomson
Polo
Gilligan
McMahon
Roberts
Nahas
Hislop
thats without even thinking about it
Tradeable
Conners
Jackson
Tuck
Rance
Moore
Thursfield
McGuane
Lucky to survive
Tuck
King
White
Im amazed about the rumours that there will only be like 4 or 5 changes. If there is only 5 lets say- even I as a Hardwick supporter will have to say that its officially STRIKE 1
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Contracts will restrict us if no one wants our players - Nahas has another year, King apparently re-signed :P, Tuck had no takers last year.
If we have only 4-5 changes at the end of the year then gawd help us :help. Then again when we look like having just 3 picks inside the top 50 in a supposedly weak draft thanks to no PPs then as a Club we only have ourselves to blame if that scenario comes true. Hopefully we are bold this time around and will trade for more picks via most of Ramp's trade bait list.
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Agree with Ramps trade bait.
Add Foley ?????
if we all agree who goes, then Cousins must stay..
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Even if its a shallow draft - If you have 10 blokes for example who can't or won't take the club forward- why keep them. You are better of going to the "shallow draft" taking 10 kids, you can guarantee if you take 10 kids even in a shallow draft, even if you only reckon that of the 10 that the first 2 will be ok, that on the balance of probability that of the remaining 8 you could find 2 footballers. In effect you add 2 more good footballers to your list than you expect. We keep players who arent up to it at Richmond to long.
WE ARE 15th ON THE LADDER! THE CLUB NEEDS TO WAKE UP TO ITSELF! OUR LIST IS CRAP!
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our list is bad.
the guys who cant get a game at this point of the season who arent injured should be gone.
That would include Rance , Polak, Polo, etc.
McMahon and Simmonds gone
Roberts gone.
Thomson and Hislop gone.
Gilligan ::)
Nahas should be gone.
Then there is the issue with McGaune, still 2 years to go on a contract he doesnt deserve.
Connors, i dont want him at punt rd in 2011
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Dear Jackstar and Ramps,
You both are 100% spot on!
I will add this ... and i will cop it ...
Shane Edwards and Shane Tuck need to go.
Edwards is a skinny whose disposal is average at best.
Tuck is a 1980's player who does not run hard offensively and defensively. His decision making by foot is horrible.
Cousins is more value then both of them.
Jackson and Connors need to get their disposal right, too many turnovers.
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Dear Jackstar and Ramps,
You both are 100% spot on!
I will add this ... and i will cop it ...
Shane Edwards and Shane Tuck need to go.
Edwards is a skinny whose disposal is average at best.
Tuck is a 1980's player who does not run hard
You can keep both for next years, as we need to clear out the list from the bottom up, we cleaned the list out from the top last year.
if you think Edwards is bad, have alook at Hicks yesterday, he got blown away with the Four N twenty wrappers, actually one of the groundsman picked up Hicks at quarter time, mistaking him for the pie wrapper that was blowing around the ground
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Dear Jackstar and Ramps,
You both are 100% spot on!
I will add this ... and i will cop it ...
Shane Edwards and Shane Tuck need to go.
Edwards is a skinny whose disposal is average at best.
Tuck is a 1980's player who does not run hard offensively and defensively. His decision making by foot is horrible.
Cousins is more value then both of them.
Jackson and Connors need to get their disposal right, too many turnovers.
I would keep edwards because he improved this year. the rest have to go. You know what really poos me, is blokes who got contracts, once they got deals, they have reverted to how they were in the past. It effen poos me. Clear em out, we have to many pretenders at our club. Hardwick needs to show some balls and cut real deep again.
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Don't think Hislop will be going anywhere for a year at least. :-\
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I had a look at our list and selected a side one a few factors:
You get a game if you're a recent draftee and have potential, or in out best 10-15 players. The rest I've left out.
I've left Cousins out for hypothetical reasons.
B: Newman Gourdis Thursfield
HB: Deledio Astbury Connors
C: Webberly Foley Edwards
HF: Morton Griffiths White
F: Vickery Riewoldt Collins
R: Browne Martin Cotchin
Int: Graham Nason ....
Players to miss out that are still developing:
Post
Rance
Grimes
Taylor
Farmer
Dea
O'Rielly
Players to miss out that are older and should play next year:
King
Cousins
Players left from 2010 list
McMahon
Simmonds
Thompson
Hislop
Polak
Polo
Nahas
Tuck
Moore
Tambling
Jackson
McGuane
Players left on that list I think we need to keep 1 of Jackson or Tuck on the basis that they can help Cotchin Martin and Foley with the bigger bodies. I don't think we can keep 2.
I'd love the club to make a bold call and move on all those players, it's not easy, some are stiff, Bling, Jackson and McGuane have all had very good games and polled Brownlow votes but it would be the right call to exchange them for players we need to balance the list.
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I honestly don't know where we are going to find replacements for 10+ players in a so called shallow compromised draft.
We blew our chance to do it properly years ago and are now left with the consequences. We may as well see what happens with the current group less a few to painful to watch and then rebuild when the drafts are uncompromised.
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Got to go, no if, ands or buts....
RETIRED
Simmo
ALL DELIST
Hislop, Tom
McMahon, Jordan
Roberts, Relton
Thomson, Adam
Polak, Graham
TRADE FOR WHATEVER WE CAN GET
Tambling, Richard- still worth something and is a dime a dozen player
Moore, Kelvin- to re-active for mine, gets lead to the ball to often and in todays footy you must be pro-active even as a backman. Also kicks sideways or backwards to much, because he is scared to make a mistake. We need players that take risks, thats why Conners, Polo and even Edwards to a degree should be kept, all make PLENTY of mistakes but take the game on, and thats what makes good footy sides. E.G. Geelong
Now that's 8 and in a shallow draft that should be about it.
Some others are very lucky but as somebody else said you start from the bottom and work up. And it is not a one season job.
Players like Polo, Nahas, Farmer, Jackson, Tuck and even King (although has been super the later part of the year and now is more than just a dirty little tagger/back pocket) all may not be there for our next finals series but are definatly not the worst....
Some young guys and rookies are lucky too but have age on there side and should be given a LITTLE more time to improve.
I just hope with our darft picks and even when we trade which we will, we don't pick up anymore skinny little boys, we need strong bodies that can compete. Adelaide to me seem to do it the best, running, strong six footers with good skills ready to step up and play a part for the footy club. E.g. Sloan, Danerfield, Mackay, Schmidt, Walker, Otten
Fingers crossed!!!!!
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Don't think we will cut as deeply as some imagine. Here's my take -
Delisted/Retired
Simmonds
McMahon
Polo
Nahas
Thompson
Hislop
Polak (elevated rookie)
Roberts (rookie)
Gilligan (rookie)
Potentially Trade
Rance
Tambling
McGuane
Moore
Thursfield
Plus any of the delistings
Out of the trades you would not delist all of Moore, McGuane and Thursfield but, more likely, one of the three if possible. Rance and Tambling would have currency considering they both still have potential to improve but we have many players like them.
Thompson and Hislop may see another year given their injuries and short time at the club but I would like them gone. Tuck and King have gone from definite delistings to definite stayers :clapping
I think there will be at least 6 delistings off the main list and 2/3 rookies moved on.
Stripes
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I honestly don't know where we are going to find replacements for 10+ players in a so called shallow compromised draft.
We blew our chance to do it properly years ago and are now left with the consequences. We may as well see what happens with the current group less a few to painful to watch and then rebuild when the drafts are uncompromised.
thats very true Chuck and reading between the lines i think the club is thinking this as well.
The only players its safe to say are gone is.
Simmo
Mclovin
Polak
Gilligan
Cuz??
Roberts
Maybe Thomson
As much as it disappoints me i really believe we are stuck with Hislop, Mcguane and Tambling. Everyone should get used to those 3 playing for the RFC post next season. Adding to that King and Nahas recently being signed up :banghead :banghead
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cant all happen in one go but players that imo have to go.
simmonds, mcmahon both basically already gone.
cousins at the end of next yr.
graham, hislop, jackson, king, mcguane, nahas, polo, thomson tuck white tambling.
and rookies
polak, roberts, gilligan
will be able to make a decision one way or the other on a few younger players like rance, post gourdis farmer nason webberley after another yr.
and there are others still who im not sure about for one reason or another.
im hoping hardwick has not been hoodwinked by these underperformers like others before him. hes done the easy bit now to earn his pay and make some slightly tougher calls.
im hoping for 5 or 6 nd picks a psd pick and at least 4 rookie selections.
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cant all happen in one go but players that imo have to go.
simmonds, mcmahon both basically already gone.
cousins at the end of next yr.
graham, hislop, jackson, king, mcguane, nahas, polo, thomson tuck white tambling.
and rookies
polak, roberts, gilligan
will be able to make a decision one way or the other on a few younger players like rance, post gourdis farmer nason webberley after another yr.
and there are others still who im not sure about for one reason or another.
im hoping hardwick has not been hoodwinked by these underperformers like others before him. hes done the easy bit now to earn his pay and make some slightly tougher calls.
im hoping for 5 or 6 nd picks a psd pick and at least 4 rookie selections.
spot on Claw. 4 delistings is not acceptable in my book and i hope to god its more closer to 10 because our list can only get you so far and lets face it Nahas, polo, Hislop, Mcguane aint going to win you many games now are they.
Dimma forget about what lies ahead dump these players who are not up to it.