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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: TigerLand on September 30, 2011, 10:49:43 PM
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:shh :shh :shh :shh :shh :shh :shh :shh :shh
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Go nut's Popes eye :bow :bow
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:gotigers
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Any details you can give on this?
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We really are going to be busy aren't we ;D
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Look at Pope go! :gotigers
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I can tell you as fact that sam has just moved to richmond to live, sams father was a massive richmond supporter, so i will do some digging to find out what i can on this
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sam was a RFC fan too :shh
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I can tell you as fact that sam has just moved to richmond to live, sams father was a massive richmond supporter, so i will do some digging to find out what i can on this
What would it have meant if he had moved to Malvin then?
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Now this is the type of player that would/should please Richmond supporters if we can get them across. Would add outside speed to us and still very young. It would be good to get him.
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I can tell you as fact that sam has just moved to richmond to live, sams father was a massive richmond supporter, so i will do some digging to find out what i can on this
What would it have meant if he had moved to Malvin then?
That hes got plenty of cash to spend ;D
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:lol
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Sam is a beauty anyone know of his contract at the Dees?
The details of why this may happen are irrelevant, but it's a chance. I'd be over the moon if Sam came to us next year for what he's worth. Was a high first round draft pick that has developed well but with some injuries (broken leg at school). Would think the compo pick may not be enough but if he's out of contract I think it may.
*Crosses fingers*
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Sam is a beauty anyone know of his contract at the Dees?
The details of why this may happen are irrelevant, but it's a chance. I'd be over the moon if Sam came to us next year for what he's worth. Was a high first round draft pick that has developed well but with some injuries (broken leg at school). Would think the compo pick may not be enough but if he's out of contract I think it may.
*Crosses fingers*
I hope you are not talkling about the compo pick that we recieved from the Crows.......That compo pick must be used at the right time in the draft, not to trade.
Give them bloody Edwards, Jackson and a last rounder, if they dont take that then forget it.
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Sam is a beauty anyone know of his contract at the Dees?
The details of why this may happen are irrelevant, but it's a chance. I'd be over the moon if Sam came to us next year for what he's worth. Was a high first round draft pick that has developed well but with some injuries (broken leg at school). Would think the compo pick may not be enough but if he's out of contract I think it may.
*Crosses fingers*
I hope you are not talkling about the compo pick that we recieved from the Crows.......That compo pick must be used at the right time in the draft, not to trade.
Give them bloody Edwards, Jackson and a last rounder, if they dont take that then forget it.
That pick and any pick is used to get a quality player. Whether if for Blease, a 17 year old kid this year or next year or the one after it doesn't really matter.
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Sam is a beauty anyone know of his contract at the Dees?
The details of why this may happen are irrelevant, but it's a chance. I'd be over the moon if Sam came to us next year for what he's worth. Was a high first round draft pick that has developed well but with some injuries (broken leg at school). Would think the compo pick may not be enough but if he's out of contract I think it may.
*Crosses fingers*
lol......you and your bloody draft picks, why don't we just forfit next season and hope the AFL give us the first 5 picks the season after, then if we only try and win a couple of games that season we might get pick 1 and 2 that year as well, maybe even get a priority pick if were lucky!
I hope you are not talkling about the compo pick that we recieved from the Crows.......That compo pick must be used at the right time in the draft, not to trade.
Give them bloody Edwards, Jackson and a last rounder, if they dont take that then forget it.
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Funny how this priority pick becomes insignificant and doesnt really matter when a player comes along that some consider to be worth it.....
We can't trade this pick away, unless it's for a Judd type of player, keep it and use it wisely IMO.
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Sam is a beauty anyone know of his contract at the Dees?
The details of why this may happen are irrelevant, but it's a chance. I'd be over the moon if Sam came to us next year for what he's worth. Was a high first round draft pick that has developed well but with some injuries (broken leg at school). Would think the compo pick may not be enough but if he's out of contract I think it may.
*Crosses fingers*
lol......you and your bloody draft picks, why don't we just forfit next season and hope the AFL give us the first 5 picks the season after, then if we only try and win a couple of games that season we might get pick 1 and 2 that year as well, maybe even get a priority pick if were lucky!
I hope you are not talkling about the compo pick that we recieved from the Crows.......That compo pick must be used at the right time in the draft, not to trade.
Give them bloody Edwards, Jackson and a last rounder, if they dont take that then forget it.
Oh good the power is back on in Tassie, your response does not relate to my comments in any way, but thats expected.
Season is over mate, we have the picks we have, thats it, but to trade away our priority pick this year for......what.... when the "super draft" is next year.......um....gee.....let me think......Are you still lighting fires with sticks over there.... :thumbsup :wallywink
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I can tell you as fact that sam has just moved to richmond to live, sams father was a massive richmond supporter, so i will do some digging to find out what i can on this
What would it have meant if he had moved to Malvin then?
That hes got plenty of cash to spend ;D
im working on finding out as sam is a facebook friend and i worked with his dad ...........so ill try find out what i can
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Funny how this priority pick becomes insignificant and doesnt really matter when a player comes along that some consider to be worth it.....
We can't trade this pick away, unless it's for a Judd type of player, keep it and use it wisely IMO.
You are aware that this compo pick is a 2nd round compo pick that depending pon where we finish and who else use it could be anywhere between pick 20 and 35.
How on earth do you expect to get Chris Judd for that lol? :rollin :rollin :rollin
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Funny how this priority pick becomes insignificant and doesnt really matter when a player comes along that some consider to be worth it.....
We can't trade this pick away, unless it's for a Judd type of player, keep it and use it wisely IMO.
You are aware that this compo pick is a 2nd round compo pick that depending pon where we finish and who else use it could be anywhere between pick 20 and 35.
How on earth do you expect to get Chris Judd for that lol? :rollin :rollin :rollin
Please dont ask sensible questions - this is OER! Mr Pope ;D
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I'd expect RFC and MFC to both lock horns with a:
Same Blease for Compo Pick + 4th rounder (What RFC will offer)
Sam Blease for Compo Pick + 2nd/3rd Rounder (What MFC will want)
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Funny how this priority pick becomes insignificant and doesnt really matter when a player comes along that some consider to be worth it.....
We can't trade this pick away, unless it's for a Judd type of player, keep it and use it wisely IMO.
You do realise the compo pick is a glorified pick 30 with a special name?
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They should just give us Blease. After all, according to Ralph's logic, it would only be fair since they got Craig.
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They should just give us Blease. After all, according to Ralph's logic, it would only be fair since they got Craig.
Eggsackly :lol
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Funny how this priority pick becomes insignificant and doesnt really matter when a player comes along that some consider to be worth it.....
We can't trade this pick away, unless it's for a Judd type of player, keep it and use it wisely IMO.
You do realise the compo pick is a glorified pick 30 with a special name?
I thought it was an end of rnd 1 pick, in other words about a pick 19. Pretty decent pick for mine.
Blease has got a bit of toe and would be an asset with his outside run, but if he's contracted he will cost too much - if he's out of contract convince him to walk or give offer melbourne a take it or leave it late token draft pick
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Funny how this priority pick becomes insignificant and doesnt really matter when a player comes along that some consider to be worth it.....
We can't trade this pick away, unless it's for a Judd type of player, keep it and use it wisely IMO.
You do realise the compo pick is a glorified pick 30 with a special name?
I thought it was an end of rnd 1 pick, in other words about a pick 19. Pretty decent pick for mine.
This year the compo pick would be around pick 30 but you're right TM that in any of the 2012-14 drafts (depending when we use it) the compo pick will be pick 19 or thereabouts. Very valuable and not something to waste on a 3rd string ruckman like Maric.
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I'm not 100% sure what sort of 2nd round pick it is but with the amount of compensation picks foating around in the 2nd round, if other clubs use it the same year we want o use it it could go from anywhere between 19 to 25. If 2 clubs have priority picks plus 4 other clubs use a higher rated 2nd round compo pick it could balloon to pick 25.
If that is true with it being at the beginning of the 2nd round. Its obviously higher if the pick is mid or late 2nd rounder compensation.
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Funny how this priority pick becomes insignificant and doesnt really matter when a player comes along that some consider to be worth it.....
We can't trade this pick away, unless it's for a Judd type of player, keep it and use it wisely IMO.
You do realise the compo pick is a glorified pick 30 with a special name?
I thought it was an end of rnd 1 pick, in other words about a pick 19. Pretty decent pick for mine.
This year the compo pick would be around pick 30 but you're right TM that in any of the 2012-14 drafts (depending when we use it) the compo pick will be pick 19 or thereabouts. Very valuable and not something to waste on a 3rd string ruckman like Maric.
I'm 100% confident the club wont use this pick to get Maric. If they used it to get Blease I'd be much happier.
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Funny how this priority pick becomes insignificant and doesnt really matter when a player comes along that some consider to be worth it.....
We can't trade this pick away, unless it's for a Judd type of player, keep it and use it wisely IMO.
You do realise the compo pick is a glorified pick 30 with a special name?
I thought it was an end of rnd 1 pick, in other words about a pick 19. Pretty decent pick for mine.
Roughly 3 teams will get a priority pick. WHich would be 19, 20, 21. Making it 22. Then there are mid first round picks. Melb x 2, GC x 1, Adel x 1, Geel x 1, WB x 1. Thats 6 of them making it 28. Then there are any team who has one and finishes below us. There would be at least 2 pushing it out to 30. Then there are any teams that get a compo next year. Sounds like Goldstein, Pendles and Boak are the targets. That's at least 5 or 6 compo's ahead of ours id imagine. Then there is FA compo picks. Realistically going to be a very late pick. It just has a special name ;D
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There obviously is big difference between worst case and best case scenario with these compensation picks. More than likely every club will hold on to them for a few years waiting to use it when no1 else does so it's higher than otherwise would be.
Its impossible to put a price on the compo picks IMO. It could be pick 19 or it could be pick 35.
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There obviously is big difference between worst case and best case scenario with these compensation picks. More than likely every club will hold on to them for a few years waiting to use it when no1 else does so it's higher than otherwise would be.
Its impossible to put a price on the compo picks IMO. It could be pick 19 or it could be pick 35.
Can only be pick 19 if no one uses a mid first round and no priorities happen. ALl the clubs with mid first rounders will use theirs except maybe Geelong who would get more value if they drop down the ladder.
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There obviously is big difference between worst case and best case scenario with these compensation picks. More than likely every club will hold on to them for a few years waiting to use it when no1 else does so it's higher than otherwise would be.
Its impossible to put a price on the compo picks IMO. It could be pick 19 or it could be pick 35.
Can only be pick 19 if no one uses a mid first round and no priorities happen. ALl the clubs with mid first rounders will use theirs except maybe Geelong who would get more value if they drop down the ladder.
Very very good point.
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There obviously is big difference between worst case and best case scenario with these compensation picks. More than likely every club will hold on to them for a few years waiting to use it when no1 else does so it's higher than otherwise would be.
Its impossible to put a price on the compo picks IMO. It could be pick 19 or it could be pick 35.
Realistically most will use their picks in next years super draft, which means we'll probably have a pick between 19-25. For mine thats a valuable pick when your talking about the most vaunted draft in history. Add to that a top 20 pick as our 1st rounder and our second rounder around the 30ish mark I think it puts us in a reasonably strong draft position. Each to their own but i dont think Blease is worth a pick 19-25 in the super draft.
FTR Geelong have already used 1 of their picks last year and pretty sure another club used their PP too. Realistically we're talking pick 19-25
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There obviously is big difference between worst case and best case scenario with these compensation picks. More than likely every club will hold on to them for a few years waiting to use it when no1 else does so it's higher than otherwise would be.
Its impossible to put a price on the compo picks IMO. It could be pick 19 or it could be pick 35.
Realistically most will use their picks in next years super draft, which means we'll probably have a pick between 19-25. For mine thats a valuable pick when your talking about the most vaunted draft in history. Add to that a top 20 pick as our 1st rounder and our second rounder around the 30ish mark I think it puts us in a reasonably strong draft position. Each to their own but i dont think Blease is worth a pick 19-25 in the super draft.
FTR Geelong have already used 1 of their picks last year and pretty sure another club used their PP too. Realistically we're talking pick 19-25
I certainly wont be 19, can't see Port improving much and will be rewarded with a 2nd round priority pick. GC may improve and GWS will most likely get a priority pick aswell. So thats 19 and 20 gone in the super draft. Other clubs will contemplate using their 1st rounders Melbourne you'd think surely will use one they acquired from Scully next year in the 'super draft so thats another pick.
You're looking at pick 21 minimum next year if we finish lower than other clubs that want to use their start of 2nd round picks.
You'd think Dogs will use the Callum Ward pick next year aswell. Pick 22.
Can anyone confirm if the compo pick is actually at the beginning of the 2nd round?
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There obviously is big difference between worst case and best case scenario with these compensation picks. More than likely every club will hold on to them for a few years waiting to use it when no1 else does so it's higher than otherwise would be.
Its impossible to put a price on the compo picks IMO. It could be pick 19 or it could be pick 35.
Realistically most will use their picks in next years super draft, which means we'll probably have a pick between 19-25. For mine thats a valuable pick when your talking about the most vaunted draft in history. Add to that a top 20 pick as our 1st rounder and our second rounder around the 30ish mark I think it puts us in a reasonably strong draft position. Each to their own but i dont think Blease is worth a pick 19-25 in the super draft.
FTR Geelong have already used 1 of their picks last year and pretty sure another club used their PP too. Realistically we're talking pick 19-25
Geelong gave one to GC. Hence the GC one. Like i said best case if we finish lowest of the teams with end of first round and no more mid 1st's are given out then next year its 27ish. But more will be given out and we won't finish bottom. I also don't agree it should be traded for Blease.
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There obviously is big difference between worst case and best case scenario with these compensation picks. More than likely every club will hold on to them for a few years waiting to use it when no1 else does so it's higher than otherwise would be.
Its impossible to put a price on the compo picks IMO. It could be pick 19 or it could be pick 35.
Realistically most will use their picks in next years super draft, which means we'll probably have a pick between 19-25. For mine thats a valuable pick when your talking about the most vaunted draft in history. Add to that a top 20 pick as our 1st rounder and our second rounder around the 30ish mark I think it puts us in a reasonably strong draft position. Each to their own but i dont think Blease is worth a pick 19-25 in the super draft.
FTR Geelong have already used 1 of their picks last year and pretty sure another club used their PP too. Realistically we're talking pick 19-25
I certainly wont be 19, can't see Port improving much and will be rewarded with a 2nd round priority pick. GC may improve and GWS will most likely get a priority pick aswell. So thats 19 and 20 gone in the super draft. Other clubs will contemplate using their 1st rounders Melbourne you'd think surely will use one they acquired from Scully next year in the 'super draft so thats another pick.
You're looking at pick 21 minimum next year if we finish lower than other clubs that want to use their start of 2nd round picks.
You'd think Dogs will use the Callum Ward pick next year aswell. Pick 22.
Can anyone confirm if the compo pick is actually at the beginning of the 2nd round?
Compo pick comes after the 18 1st rounders, any priority picks (GWS/PA are certainties IMO), any mid 1st round compos (currently 6 floating around) and after any other team's end of first round priority that finishes below us. There will be more given out after next year's GWS raid and FA. 18 + 2PP + 6 compos (mid 1st round) = 26 picks before we get a sniff.
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Sam who the fi-ik is that
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Blease please. :thumbsup
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its funny those who want blease in one breath think our compensation pick will do it yet blease was a pp at 17 had what 2 yrs development and state our compensation pick is worth something between 19 and 35 where is the reality.
keep the pick until next yr its supposed to be even stronger than than 2010. has anyone even bothered to look at the quality of kids taken between 19 and 40 last yr.
sheesh next yr our third rounder could get us another helbig yet people want to trade the cs and a third rounder for blease.
we lack depth as much as anything. yet people want to trade out of picks for one player and here i was thinking all of us surely had learnt something from yrs of mediocrity.
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its funny those who want blease in one breath think our compensation pick will do it yet blease was a pp at 17 had what 2 yrs development and state our compensation pick is worth something between 19 and 35 where is the reality.
keep the pick until next yr its supposed to be even stronger than than 2010. has anyone even bothered to look at the quality of kids taken between 19 and 40 last yr.
sheesh next yr our third rounder could get us another helbig yet people want to trade the cs and a third rounder for blease.
we lack depth as much as anything. yet people want to trade out of picks for one player and here i was thinking all of us surely had learnt something from yrs of mediocrity.
Blease has not had 2 years development. Ravaged by injury
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Funny how this priority pick becomes insignificant and doesnt really matter when a player comes along that some consider to be worth it.....
We can't trade this pick away, unless it's for a Judd type of player, keep it and use it wisely IMO.
So if we cant trade it unless for a judd type player, does that mean we must pick a judd like player when we utilise it?
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we lack depth as much as anything.
We lack quality outside runners claw. Blease looks like a good fit to me.
Happy for us to pursue this young player.
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we lack depth as much as anything.
We lack quality outside runners claw. Blease looks like a good fit to me.
Happy for us to pursue this young player.
Outside runners are easier to find and the game is won in winning collisons these days. Not that I know Blease from a piece of cheese, but if he is an outside runner, dont bother. We need more heavy collision based midfielders.
Look at how Geelong won this year, they hardly did the short kick kick to a free man, they kicked long to contests and won them. They have also for the last few years had bigger players who can stand up in a tackle, just think of how many times you've seen Ling standing in a tackle and getting a kick or hand ball away.
This is where strong bodied players like Dustin Martin are crucial to our future sucess. If he's an outside player we have lots of them already in Nason, White, Webberley we dont need any more. I agree none of them are A graders but its not where the game is won, we should focus elsewhere with our top picks.
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just think of how many times you've seen Ling standing in a tackle and getting a kick or hand ball away.
Tuck actually gets criticised for this.
The difference though, (in previous years anyway) is that geelong players were smart enough to play in front and good enough to take advantage, whereas with tuck it was the opposition players who were smart enough to play in front and good enough to win the ball.
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If he's an outside player we have lots of them already in Nason, White, Webberley we dont need any more. I agree none of them are A graders but its not where the game is won, we should focus elsewhere with our top picks.
No wonder we cant make the eight and our supporters want them to hang around :banghead
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Outside runners are easier to find
Key word you're missing is quality.
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just think of how many times you've seen Ling standing in a tackle and getting a kick or hand ball away.
Tuck actually gets criticised for this.
The difference though, (in previous years anyway) is that geelong players were smart enough to play in front and good enough to take advantage, whereas with tuck it was the opposition players who were smart enough to play in front and good enough to win the ball.
A good team would take advantage of Tuck's long bombs.
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we lack depth as much as anything.
We lack quality outside runners claw. Blease looks like a good fit to me.
Happy for us to pursue this young player.
Outside runners are easier to find and the game is won in winning collisons these days. Not that I know Blease from a piece of cheese, but if he is an outside runner, dont bother. We need more heavy collision based midfielders.
Look at how Geelong won this year, they hardly did the short kick kick to a free man, they kicked long to contests and won them. They have also for the last few years had bigger players who can stand up in a tackle, just think of how many times you've seen Ling standing in a tackle and getting a kick or hand ball away.
This is where strong bodied players like Dustin Martin are crucial to our future sucess. If he's an outside player we have lots of them already in Nason, White, Webberley we dont need any more. I agree none of them are A graders but its not where the game is won, we should focus elsewhere with our top picks.
i agree we lack for quality outside players but we lack for many types.
i ws making the point that blease cost melb pick 17 they used a very valuable pick to target possibly a quality outside player. do you think a pick somewhere between 19 and 35 more likely closer to 30 will get the deal done.
me id rather keep our pick and target a couple of players of a type we need who also may be quality. our compo pick will not get the deal done i cannot stress this enough.
what is more realistic is our compo pick and our third rounder. or god forbid pick 14.
i am dead set against trading out of early rounds in the draft. at least not until we establish a very good core group with structure also catered to. we are nowhere near that imo.
if we finish say 9th next yr which imo is unlikely its realistically more likely somewhere around 12th again, but 9th will do we will have picks 10, 28, the compo pick realistically 25 - 35 and 46.
those two picks so close to each other 28/cs pick opens up real possibilities for us.
i for one have at times wrongly insisted we utilise the nd at all costs. over the yrs i have come to learn there is times when it may be better to trade out of your picks for needs.
in 2004 we would have been better served keeping a quality player in ottens, as it was ottens was going to go no matter what because of the shoddy way we treated him. geelong offered us picks 12 and 16 but originally it was picks 12 and maloney.
geelong were smart. happy to trade out of a very shallow draft and yeah we can make that argument this yr. but geelong had just made finals and with stkilda looked good things for yrs to come.
they traded for a proven player people forget ottens was an aa in 2001 or 2002 and copped his fair share of injuries after it. they read the 2004 draft better than most but the thing is they targeted a proven player key to structure and they had already shown they were genuine finals contenders for yrs to come.
sam blease is an outside mid, yes very skilled but hes done nothing no more than any kid we may take in the draft totally unproven due to injury but he has been in melbournes system for 3 yrs taken in 08.hes not critical to structure and we should be able to find a player or two of his ilk without trading away very valuable picks. to top it off hes a contracted player he signed for two yrs in 2010 so if we chase him melbourne hold all the cards.
what would you ask for if you were melb. here they have a kid they have put 3 yrs into despite injuries a kid who was taken at pick 17. sheesh its more than likely they will ask for pick 14.
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we lack depth as much as anything.
We lack quality outside runners claw. Blease looks like a good fit to me.
Happy for us to pursue this young player.
Outside runners are easier to find and the game is won in winning collisons these days. Not that I know Blease from a piece of cheese, but if he is an outside runner, dont bother. We need more heavy collision based midfielders.
Look at how Geelong won this year, they hardly did the short kick kick to a free man, they kicked long to contests and won them. They have also for the last few years had bigger players who can stand up in a tackle, just think of how many times you've seen Ling standing in a tackle and getting a kick or hand ball away.
This is where strong bodied players like Dustin Martin are crucial to our future sucess. If he's an outside player we have lots of them already in Nason, White, Webberley we dont need any more. I agree none of them are A graders but its not where the game is won, we should focus elsewhere with our top picks.
would agree with all of that apart from the nason white webberley comments.
they should be cut as soon as we can do it. we need 3 or 4 high quality outside mids and i know this sounds like a contradiction.
im just a little more patient than most and believe we are still in rebuild mode. i believe nason webberley and white are easily improved on id be looking long term to improve on grigg as well.far too many of our running players lack polish its something that cant be fixed in one draft and targeting just one player with our first pick or two or three picks wont help matters.
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claw. compo picks will push back 28/46 a fair way. Our 2nd rounder will be 10 picks after the last compo pick is taken. Approx 40-45.
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You can put this rumour to bed now it wont happen
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LMAO. poo thread
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Exactly, 4 pages on the basis of :shh and this kid being. Tiger fan being the rationale for the trade.
I might start with a plYer we need like Nic Nat.
"Nic Nat to Richmond"
:shh :shh :shh :shh
I heard he was a clarEmont fan
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agree poo thread with no back bone
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its funny those who want blease in one breath think our compensation pick will do it yet blease was a pp at 17 had what 2 yrs development and state our compensation pick is worth something between 19 and 35 where is the reality.
keep the pick until next yr its supposed to be even stronger than than 2010. has anyone even bothered to look at the quality of kids taken between 19 and 40 last yr.
sheesh next yr our third rounder could get us another helbig yet people want to trade the cs and a third rounder for blease.
we lack depth as much as anything. yet people want to trade out of picks for one player and here i was thinking all of us surely had learnt something from yrs of mediocrity.
You can't buy a house with peanuts claw. You need to pay what is expected.
10 Helbigs for depth wont win us a premiership. We need more A Graders. Blease will be close to one.
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its funny those who want blease in one breath think our compensation pick will do it yet blease was a pp at 17 had what 2 yrs development and state our compensation pick is worth something between 19 and 35 where is the reality.
keep the pick until next yr its supposed to be even stronger than than 2010. has anyone even bothered to look at the quality of kids taken between 19 and 40 last yr.
sheesh next yr our third rounder could get us another helbig yet people want to trade the cs and a third rounder for blease.
we lack depth as much as anything. yet people want to trade out of picks for one player and here i was thinking all of us surely had learnt something from yrs of mediocrity.
You can't buy a house with peanuts claw. You need to pay what is expected.
10 Helbigs for depth wont win us a premiership. We need more A Graders. Blease will be close to one.
I actually put up a new thread about our A B C and D graders and we are particularly short in A and Bs currently. We have a whopping list of Ds and thats where the problem lies.
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You can put this rumour to bed now it wont happen
Damn. Oh well I guess we're stuck with Webberley, Nason & White for a while yet. :-\
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You can put this rumour to bed now it wont happen
Any mail on why and from which party, there were pretty solid hints that its being seriously considered. Has nothing to do with who growing up as a RFC supporter, which I don't even think is true.
Don't believe that it's a 100% no. Anything can happen in footy. I just hope if our club is in a position to do a deal it considers it and wins out of it.
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Exactly, 4 pages on the basis of :shh and this kid being. Tiger fan being the rationale for the trade.
I might start with a plYer we need like Nic Nat.
"Nic Nat to Richmond"
:shh :shh :shh :shh
I heard he was a clarEmont fan
Funny you picked him...he was in the office on Friday (for AFL community reasons) so we all made that gag, he is a fair unit too. Also weird having other teams players walk into Punt Road with their team gear. Andy Krakouer visited us during the year, that black and white shirt he was wearing...yuck.
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its funny those who want blease in one breath think our compensation pick will do it yet blease was a pp at 17 had what 2 yrs development and state our compensation pick is worth something between 19 and 35 where is the reality.
keep the pick until next yr its supposed to be even stronger than than 2010. has anyone even bothered to look at the quality of kids taken between 19 and 40 last yr.
sheesh next yr our third rounder could get us another helbig yet people want to trade the cs and a third rounder for blease.
we lack depth as much as anything. yet people want to trade out of picks for one player and here i was thinking all of us surely had learnt something from yrs of mediocrity.
You can't buy a house with peanuts claw. You need to pay what is expected.
10 Helbigs for depth wont win us a premiership. We need more A Graders. Blease will be close to one.
10 helbigs or 10 batchelors is exactly what we need. good solid footballers is what we lack we have our fair share of potential very good to elite players. but we have an abundance of below standard types who need to be replaced with those batchelors helbigs etc. 2nd 3rd rnd picks are extremely valuable.
in all honesty im so gun shy with our club trading picks for players im totally against trading picks on unproven players. sam blease is exactly that, unproven. id rather use the picks we have and get a similar result in 2012 as what we got in 2010.
i still think we are in no position to be trading out of picks in fact i think for where the rebuild is at we need to trade into them. to get sam blease it will cost pick 14 or a decent player and draft pick or 2nd rnd and compo pick. we are in no position to be trading away our picks. if we fail to participate in a nd again i will be disappointed. ffs you would think we were top 4 instead of bottom 4 or 6 the way people talk. to me it smacks of a total lack of patience and an unwillingness to go thru the proper processes.
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You can put this rumour to bed now it wont happen
Damn. Oh well I guess we're stuck with Webberley, Nason & White for a while yet. :-\
white anyway hes contracted sheesh why do people continually ignore the contractual status of players. bloody hell very few players are ever delisted and paid out of contracts.
sometimes trades are done but who in their right mind truly believes any of white nason and webberley are tradeable.
as it stands it is very likely both nason and webberley will be delisted. as for finding upgrades on them i could do it with my eyes closed.
we are not i repeat we are not going to find 6 very good players each draft. what we can do is find 3 or 4 good to very good players and hopefully upgrade on a few others.
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its funny those who want blease in one breath think our compensation pick will do it yet blease was a pp at 17 had what 2 yrs development and state our compensation pick is worth something between 19 and 35 where is the reality.
keep the pick until next yr its supposed to be even stronger than than 2010. has anyone even bothered to look at the quality of kids taken between 19 and 40 last yr.
sheesh next yr our third rounder could get us another helbig yet people want to trade the cs and a third rounder for blease.
we lack depth as much as anything. yet people want to trade out of picks for one player and here i was thinking all of us surely had learnt something from yrs of mediocrity.
You can't buy a house with peanuts claw. You need to pay what is expected.
10 Helbigs for depth wont win us a premiership. We need more A Graders. Blease will be close to one.
10 helbigs or 10 batchelors is exactly what we need. good solid footballers is what we lack we have our fair share of potential very good to elite players. but we have an abundance of below standard types who need to be replaced with those batchelors helbigs etc. 2nd 3rd rnd picks are extremely valuable.
in all honesty im so gun shy with our club trading picks for players im totally against trading picks on unproven players. sam blease is exactly that, unproven. id rather use the picks we have and get a similar result in 2012 as what we got in 2010.
i still think we are in no position to be trading out of picks in fact i think for where the rebuild is at we need to trade into them. to get sam blease it will cost pick 14 or a decent player and draft pick or 2nd rnd and compo pick. we are in no position to be trading away our picks. if we fail to participate in a nd again i will be disappointed. ffs you would think we were top 4 instead of bottom 4 or 6 the way people talk. to me it smacks of a total lack of patience and an unwillingness to go thru the proper processes.
Hmm, I cannot agree with this at all. Sure 10 Helbigs and Bachleors will certainy improve us no doubt, no doubting that at all. It won't win us anything, we will turn into an Essendon who have a stack of C Grade players. We will make up the numbers every 2nd year come finals and waste many years there. All our club has had for 20 years is a stack of average players. Other than Richo, name a top 5 brownlow finisher in the last 30 years? Top 10 even?
A Graders win you premierships, depth just gets you finals appearances. Ask St.Kilda.
Get A Graders first then worry about depth and topping up the list with triers from 3rd and 4th round picks + State leagues.
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You can put this rumour to bed now it wont happen
Damn. Oh well I guess we're stuck with Webberley, Nason & White for a while yet. :-\
white anyway hes contracted sheesh why do people continually ignore the contractual status of players. bloody hell very few players are ever delisted and paid out of contracts.
sometimes trades are done but who in their right mind truly believes any of white nason and webberley are tradeable.
as it stands it is very likely both nason and webberley will be delisted. as for finding upgrades on them i could do it with my eyes closed.
we are not i repeat we are not going to find 6 very good players each draft. what we can do is find 3 or 4 good to very good players and hopefully upgrade on a few others.
You've got all the answers claw.
RFCO you should hire this guy. Makes it sound so easy. ;D
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so according to an A grade source, both nic nat and andy krakeour were seen at punt rd?
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so according to an A grade source, both nic nat and andy krakeour were seen at punt rd?
that is correct ;D
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I'm with claw on this one - I believe that it's not so much how many A graders you have, but how few D graders you have that determines how successful you will be.
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The pies are a classic case in point. 2 years ago we kept hearing they were a very even side with no real A-graders. They kept at it, kept developing and then all of a sudden they had a good half a dozen a graders magically appear out of their group. Get an even contribution from 22 out there and then the A graders will start to shine.
Geelong were similar 6 years ago. Known as an even team full of soldiers and no real A graders, all of a sudden they developed and a-graders sprung up from everywhere from that solid B grade group. Bartel, Gaza, Corey, Ling, Enright, Kelly, Chapman & co were known as a one paced midfield lol
Build foundations with less weaknesses, that builds consistency and from that the group gain confidence and from their the big talents start to shine
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The last 2 posters seem to be making the most sense
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Are you kidding me? Geelong and Collingwood not having any A Graders?
What do you call brownlow medalists Bartel and Swan? Norm Smith Pendlebury? Match winner Thomas? 25 time All Australian Full back Matthew Scarlett. Gary Ablett Jnr? Mircale worker Steve Johnson? Paul Chapman?
I've never heard so much crap in my life. A side full of B and C graders goes no where. If you want to support a team like that go support Essendon they have the perfect list for you.
Unbelievable. :rollin :rollin :rollin
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Pope, you might want to read that back, I think TM is referring to the ability of the B and C graders to make an even contribution and do the "team acts" that enables the A graders play like A graders and not permanently harassed B graders.
BTW, calling that post crao when your OP uses :shh as the basis for a Sam Blease to Richmond thread?
I'm not sure if you're the pot or the kettle but you definitely black!
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Pope, you might want to read that back, I think TM is referring to the ability of the B and C graders to make an even contribution and do the "team acts" that enables the A graders play like A graders and not permanently harassed B graders.
BTW, calling that post crao when your OP uses :shh as the basis for a Sam Blease to Richmond thread?
I'm not sure if you're the pot or the kettle but you definitely black!
In terms of list management if you can turn a B Grade and a draft pick (C grade potential) into an A Grade, it improves the list but dimishes depth. Depth filled with average players wont bring success.
Believe what you want to believe Y&B I'm happy to be wrong over something I heard that was pretty solid. Just feeding it through to fellow supporters, if its crap - its crap. I wont lose sleep over it.
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Are you kidding me? Geelong and Collingwood not having any A Graders?
What do you call brownlow medalists Bartel and Swan? Norm Smith Pendlebury? Match winner Thomas? 25 time All Australian Full back Matthew Scarlett. Gary Ablett Jnr? Mircale worker Steve Johnson? Paul Chapman?
I've never heard so much crap in my life. A side full of B and C graders goes no where. If you want to support a team like that go support Essendon they have the perfect list for you.
Unbelievable. :rollin :rollin :rollin
read the post again before u go shooting from the hip Pope :lol i said 2 years ago for collingwood and geelong 6 years ago not now... :whistle
Point is dont be so hasty about A graders. Sometimes they take a while to shine and players u thought were just b graders can turn into matchwinning a-graders. Which supporter 4 years ago thought swan would be elite? lol he was a deadset dribbler!!! Thomas I always rated but most thought he was nothing more than a flashy type, Cloke was considered a bust, Reid a dud who couldnt kick, Johnson a one trick pony, H.Shaw couldnt defend - i could go on and on, NOW MOST OF THEM ARE DEADSET A OR B+ GRADERS.
Geelong wanted to trade out Bartel, Kelly and Corey players who were ALL considered nothing more than solid one paced plodders Richmond rejected Bartel and Stevie J for Otto!!! lol. My point is sometimes with some patience you can unearth matchwinners from within that you may have thought werent there.
lets get in more solid contributors bc its easier to find solid performers than out and out matchwinners in every draft.
cheers Y&B at least some understood my point ;D
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this is gold and shows just how little some understand what actually is needed.
lets see
nick maxwell c
n brown c
a toovey barely a c.
h obrien c/ b
b reid c/b
h shaw c/b
s wellingham c
d swan b yep i dont think him an elite footballer.
b johnson c
a didak c used to be borderline b/a
t cloke b/a im reluctant to place him in the elite bracket for two reasons.
l ball c last two yrs b
d beams c/bs
c dawes c/b
s sidebottom c
d jolly b
s pendulbury a
d thomas b/a
t goldsack c
l brown c/bs
b mccaffer c
j blair c
thats the 2010 premiership side. it may be a little harsh but people are not grasping what really needs to be done. ffs if we can get our hands on 22 elite players im all for it but it doesnt work that way.
at richmond we are riddled with chronically deficient players or b/s, get em out and replace em with c and b rated players and we will get better.with the potential a graders we have we could go to the last day in september. seems we not only over rate our own but others as well. we potentially have more a graders than collingwood already. cutting b/s players building some depth and importantly good structure these are the things we lack in. lets go into games like collingwood with no b/s players in the team.
its not the strength of your top 6 that wins you games but the strength of the bottom 6 and what depth you can build.
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It's your foot soldiers that get you to the granny, but often it is the cream that wins it for you.
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If Ben Reid, Alan Didak, H Shaw and a few others are C/B then we must barely have 10 blokes who could be better than a D.
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Are you kidding me? Geelong and Collingwood not having any A Graders?
What do you call brownlow medalists Bartel and Swan? Norm Smith Pendlebury? Match winner Thomas? 25 time All Australian Full back Matthew Scarlett. Gary Ablett Jnr? Mircale worker Steve Johnson? Paul Chapman?
I've never heard so much crap in my life. A side full of B and C graders goes no where. If you want to support a team like that go support Essendon they have the perfect list for you.
Unbelievable. :rollin :rollin :rollin
read the post again before u go shooting from the hip Pope :lol i said 2 years ago for collingwood and geelong 6 years ago not now... :whistle
Point is dont be so hasty about A graders. Sometimes they take a while to shine and players u thought were just b graders can turn into matchwinning a-graders. Which supporter 4 years ago thought swan would be elite? lol he was a deadset dribbler!!! Thomas I always rated but most thought he was nothing more than a flashy type, Cloke was considered a bust, Reid a dud who couldnt kick, Johnson a one trick pony, H.Shaw couldnt defend - i could go on and on, NOW MOST OF THEM ARE DEADSET A OR B+ GRADERS.
Geelong wanted to trade out Bartel, Kelly and Corey players who were ALL considered nothing more than solid one paced plodders Richmond rejected Bartel and Stevie J for Otto!!! lol. My point is sometimes with some patience you can unearth matchwinners from within that you may have thought werent there.
lets get in more solid contributors bc its easier to find solid performers than out and out matchwinners in every draft.
cheers Y&B at least some understood my point ;D
Apologies for mis reading the post.
I see your point and understand it and has merit. However it's heavily reliant on development and timing. We pick up more depth in D graders that have potential to improve it can backfire.
Problem 1: We pick up a 18yo kid D grader that could develop into a potential B, fails to develop properly - Connors, Gourdis, Jackson, Edwards (These are all mid round draft picks that have failed to develop).
Problem 2: We pick up 18yo kid that takes 5 years to develop. In 5 years time Brett Deledio will be 30, arguably the best player on the list. Your premiership window is so very small. This is what happened to St.Kilda. They had there draft picks then instead of putting more quality into the list they went with D graders and C graders and hoped to win a flag off reliance on there A Graders and hoped the D Graders would either be carried or lift/develop.
The A Graders get older and your left with a poo list.
You need to keep flooding your list with as much A grade potential as possible. Just my opinion. :gotigers
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this is gold and shows just how little some understand what actually is needed.
lets see
nick maxwell c
n brown c
a toovey barely a c.
h obrien c/ b
b reid c/b
h shaw c/b
s wellingham c
d swan b yep i dont think him an elite footballer.
b johnson c
a didak c used to be borderline b/a
t cloke b/a im reluctant to place him in the elite bracket for two reasons.
l ball c last two yrs b
d beams c/bs
c dawes c/b
s sidebottom c
d jolly b
s pendulbury a
d thomas b/a
t goldsack c
l brown c/bs
b mccaffer c
j blair c
thats the 2010 premiership side. it may be a little harsh but people are not grasping what really needs to be done. ffs if we can get our hands on 22 elite players im all for it but it doesnt work that way.
at richmond we are riddled with chronically deficient players or b/s, get em out and replace em with c and b rated players and we will get better.with the potential a graders we have we could go to the last day in september. seems we not only over rate our own but others as well. we potentially have more a graders than collingwood already. cutting b/s players building some depth and importantly good structure these are the things we lack in. lets go into games like collingwood with no b/s players in the team.
its not the strength of your top 6 that wins you games but the strength of the bottom 6 and what depth you can build.
Won't work.
Delisting poo and replacing with poo just wont work. We need 2/3 more A graders. When that is done then worry about replacing the bottom tier.
Need a A grade ruckman. Need an A grade defender and need 1 more A grade midfielder.
Simple as that.
Waste of time delisting our D graders and trying to replace them for free in a weak draft and state leagues. It's hit or miss. Robs peter to pay Paul.
Get a A Grade midfielder in free agency. Get an A grade ruckman by trading what has currency our first round pick, Foley, Morton, Edwards, compo pick. Anything. Trades don't have to be scary.
Can't see replacing our bottom tier with another bottom tier will change anything.
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It's your foot soldiers that get you to the granny, but often it is the cream that wins it for you.
This is 100% spot on. Either way for where our list is at we need to find at least 3 more A graders not currently not on our list.
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Are you kidding me? Geelong and Collingwood not having any A Graders?
What do you call brownlow medalists Bartel and Swan? Norm Smith Pendlebury? Match winner Thomas? 25 time All Australian Full back Matthew Scarlett. Gary Ablett Jnr? Mircale worker Steve Johnson? Paul Chapman?
I've never heard so much crap in my life. A side full of B and C graders goes no where. If you want to support a team like that go support Essendon they have the perfect list for you.
Unbelievable. :rollin :rollin :rollin
read the post again before u go shooting from the hip Pope :lol i said 2 years ago for collingwood and geelong 6 years ago not now... :whistle
Point is dont be so hasty about A graders. Sometimes they take a while to shine and players u thought were just b graders can turn into matchwinning a-graders. Which supporter 4 years ago thought swan would be elite? lol he was a deadset dribbler!!! Thomas I always rated but most thought he was nothing more than a flashy type, Cloke was considered a bust, Reid a dud who couldnt kick, Johnson a one trick pony, H.Shaw couldnt defend - i could go on and on, NOW MOST OF THEM ARE DEADSET A OR B+ GRADERS.
Geelong wanted to trade out Bartel, Kelly and Corey players who were ALL considered nothing more than solid one paced plodders Richmond rejected Bartel and Stevie J for Otto!!! lol. My point is sometimes with some patience you can unearth matchwinners from within that you may have thought werent there.
lets get in more solid contributors bc its easier to find solid performers than out and out matchwinners in every draft.
cheers Y&B at least some understood my point ;D
Apologies for mis reading the post.
I see your point and understand it and has merit. However it's heavily reliant on development and timing. We pick up more depth in D graders that have potential to improve it can backfire.
Problem 1: We pick up a 18yo kid D grader that could develop into a potential B, fails to develop properly - Connors, Gourdis, Jackson, Edwards (These are all mid round draft picks that have failed to develop).
pppffftt and im told to do his research. yes im nit picking.dan connors 4th rnd selection 58 how many on average go after pick 50.gourdis a psd pick taken after the nd was complete. he was then rookied.
jackson an early 4th rnd pick taken at 53. and edwards the only earlyish pick among them a 2nd rounder at 26 and a waste. some of us have been saying it for 5 yrs.
what do we expect from 4th rnd picks and junior psd picks. 1 in 3 or worse to to make it maybe.
if people think every pick or every player bought to the club will make it are kidding themselves. it takes time and hard work to build a decent list. it would not be uncommon to go thru 3 or 4 players gradually upgrading on each player to fill a spot on the list.
we only have guaranteed 1 first rnd pick each yr and we only get 1 2nd rounder. with these two you hope for at least a good player thru to a maximum elite. then other things come into it. deep draft shallow draft. etc.
our better credentialled players are actually performing to a high level but they cant carry so many b/s players.and with the load at times they drop away dramatically as well.
no one in his right mind would argue you dont need A graders.but A graders are the thin edge of the wedge. real improvement comes from upgrading b/s players for plain old capable core list players and if need be the core list player for a very good player, and of course you try and get the odd very good to elite player with them.
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lets see now. a hypothetical
we use pick 14 and get a very good long term player.
we use pick 35ish and get a good long term player.
we use pick 53 and get a 50/50 like helbig who turns out to be a good player.
so far so good well done francis.
we take maric in the psd and he improves our ruck stocks marginally. we do not off load any ruckmen.
we take someone like carnell late nd for say jackson/nason/ webberley.
we take a f/s in morris late for farmer.
we take a b wilkes late for mcguane
and if we are looking to give a kid a go rookie list 20yo tom lee a kpp from subiaco.
want an upgrade on miller go and get22yo callum wilson for nixs.
i could go on and on straight away the bar is raised those taken may need to be upgraded themselves in two yrs time but the list improves. we are not going to bring in 6 new players from the draft and have them all make it. maximise the nd early and hopefully get quality. and actually upgrade on players we cut with later picks.
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bf poster said he is great mates and has no intention of leaving
well done pope :clapping
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Swan not elite?
If he's a B grader we must have a few who don't even figure in the alphabet.
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Swan not elite?
If he's a B grader we must have a few who don't even figure in the alphabet.
:'( Sad but true. :lol
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The Claw has clearly down-graded every player one letter in the alphabet to sound like a ruthless hard-ass.
Swan is undoubtedly an A-Grader. So is Cloke, on this year's form.
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Swan not elite?
If he's a B grader we must have a few who don't even figure in the alphabet.
^ amen - we've got blokes who are getting into the "chinese alphabet" type categories....and that is a LOOOOONG alphabet...
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So is Cloke, on this year's form.
Indeed.
Actually Travis has been bloody brilliant this year. His contested marking outstanding and his BIGGEST weakness set shot kicking vast improved.
With Jack's injuries this year he is clearly the number one genuine KPF in the game IMO.
Credit to him. Scumbag. :lol
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Swan not elite?
If he's a B grader we must have a few who don't even figure in the alphabet.
hmm B grader = very good. yep hes not elite. theres got to be without going thru teams lists at least 25 30 players who perform similar roles id take in front of him. hes heavily reliant on those around him and his pace. he is only average with his use and has failed pretty badly in two gfs.collingwood have plenty of so called elite players who fail when they have to play on an opponent and are made accountable.
seems to me far too many put players into the elite category without thinking.if i were to listen to most posters on here every other player going around would be elite.
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The Claw has clearly down-graded every player one letter in the alphabet to sound like a ruthless hard-ass.
Swan is undoubtedly an A-Grader. So is Cloke, on this year's form.
hmm while i disagree on swan. just where did i place cloke. oh i see at b/a which indicates to me ive borderline very good to elite. for me cloke will have to string a few yrs of top notch footy together to be called elite.
i have to laugh players have 1 or 2 outstanding yrs and they are suddenly elite. true champions of the game find a way to do it yr in yr out.they stand up and lead from the front when its most needed.
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I actually agree with Claw Cloke has had a great year but is a B bordering on A.
Apart from his first 40 minutes in the GF where he kicked 3 goals after that he barely touched it for at least 2 quarters and by then the momentum had swung well and truly in Geelong's favour and his impact was minimal.
Another two years of consistent H/A footy and he might be called elite but true champions of the game do it in finals and Cloke in finals has done Jack Skata at this stage of his career.
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LOL, Swan not elite
stuff me
Cant be serious
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LOL, Swan not elite
stuff me
Cant be serious
I know, ridiculous
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Yeah lets not go nuts, the palooka can take a mark, still misses a lot and gets some very very good ball fed to him. Jack still pulled up even with him with a gut full of bad ribs, a gammy ankle and and gimp hips, so im not gonna get into a 5 knuckle shuffle over him just yet.
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Cena! Cena! Cena! Cena!
LMAO you breadphile
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I was talking bout cloke by the way.