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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Simonator on July 03, 2012, 04:57:08 PM
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Grimes out for another month :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
They stuffing rushed him back >:(
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From RFC FB:
'Terrible news this afternoon on the injury front, Ty Vickery will be out for the season with a shoulder reconstruction and Dylan Grimes and Jake King are both looking at extended time on the sidelines. '
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Grimes out for another month :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
They stuffing rushed him back >:(
How?
They gave him 4 weeks to get over a standard 3 week injury
BTW he did his hammy again in the last 2 minutes of the game, so not quite sure how you can say he was rushed back. 2 minutes doesn't back that up
If he re-did it in the first 2 mins then yeah you maybe able to say it
And BTW Vickery out for the season - shoulder reco
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Grimes out for another month :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
They stuffing rushed him back >:(
How?
They gave him 4 weeks to get over a standard 3 week injury
BTW he did his hammy again in the last 2 minutes of the game, so not quite sure how you can say he was rushed back. 2 minutes doesn't back that up
If he re-did it in the first 2 mins then yeah you maybe able to say it
And BTW Vickery out for the season - shoulder reco
I just want to someone to blame for the absence of such a good player haha.
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Cue in rack? Blood some kids?
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Love it Simo :lol
Grimesy the weirdo :(
Cue in rack? Blood some kids?
Return of Moorey
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kiss my ass
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Reckon this explains why Vickery has been so poo this year.
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Reckon this explains why Vickery has been so poo this year.
No.
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I think it does explain some of it. He hasnt taken many contested marks ect which would hinder his confidence and its just a domino effect from there
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as the list grows.
lets hope none this weekend. :pray
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Well this should really test us out in terms of depth - With grimes out for potentially another month its going to show whether the backline has learnt anything whilst he has been missing for the previous month. Will be keeping a closer eye on griff, Dea and batch.
We should belt the Dees and the suns regardless, but i'll definitely be keeping a closer eye on whats happening down back.
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Very bad news about Vickery. Does explain why he hasn't been playing well. Also bad news about Grimes. Glad King will only be out for 4 weeks.
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Vickery out for season
By Peter Ryan
5:01 PM Tue 03 Jul, 2012
PROMISING Richmond forward/ruckman Tyrone Vickery has been ruled out for the rest of the season after the Tigers revealed he has to undergo a shoulder reconstruction.
The Richmond website reported that Vickery, who has missed the Tigers past two games with knee soreness, has been battling shoulder problems for the entire season after receiving a heavy knock during the pre-season.
The revelation will explain Vickery's disappointing form in 2012 following a breakout season last year in which he finished fifth in the club best and fairest.
"We have tried to manage Tyrone through this season with his shoulder, but, ultimately, it was impacting his performance and the best course of action is to get it fixed now, so he is able to complete a full 2013 pre-season,"
Richmond's general manager of football, Craig Cameron, said.
The 22-year-old Vickery has played 54 games for the Tigers after being selection No.8 in the 2008 NAB AFL National Draft.
The Tigers will also be without talented defender Dylan Grimes for a month after he suffered further hamstring damage in Saturday's loss the Adelaide.
"Dylan sustained a hamstring tendon injury in his left leg, which is the opposite to his season-ending one last year and not as significant," Cameron said.
"We don't anticipate it requiring surgery, and we're currently in the process of exploring treatment options."
Grimes has played nine games this season after seven games in 2011.
Jake King will also miss four weeks after scans revealed a grade two strain of the medial ligament. He has managed just eight games this year.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/140320/default.aspx
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Has the shoulder been giving him grief all season?
edit: just saw the thread move and noticed Grimes too. I has sads :(
Edit: altered subject
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Vickery out might mean that they persist with Miller for the rest of the year. :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
hopefully his shoulder comes good for 2013 and we will never have to see Miller play again. :birthday
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Has the shoulder been giving him grief all season?
edit: just saw the thread move and noticed Grimes too. I has sads :(
Edit: altered subject
It appears so.
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Vickery out might mean that they persist with Miller for the rest of the year. :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
Jack, Elton and O'Hanlon with Eddo, Nahas and Connors in support. No need for Miller IMO.
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For crying out loud,i just get home from work to news that the tiger world is collapsing around us..sheesh.
Rumours have been circulating all year that Ty was having problems ,this explains his horrible season so far.As for dylan does anyone know whether he was plagued by such injuries as a junior?...Please RFC dont announce next week that Nathan is also out for the rest of the season
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Vickery out might mean that they persist with Miller for the rest of the year. :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
Jack, Elton and O'Hanlon with Eddo, Nahas and Connors in support. No need for Miller IMO.
seems to me the thinking is 3 tall defenders but when grimes has been hurt they have gone with just two. really is time to play post for a block of games if he goes okay he stays in 3 weeks time astbury may be right to go if he post fails then bring astbury in. a like foe like replacement would be moore if ready.
it is also time to try something different forward.
can try big ivan for more significant time as a forward and play graham in ruck. can bring in a ruck/for/def in derickx just giving him a game. or we could go down the miller path and play mcguane. any of these options has to be better than miller. we could even try post forward
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Reckon this explains why Vickery has been so poo this year.
Been carrying it since preseason, pretty hard to clunk marks if you can't lift your arm over
Your head
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Agree claw, good chance to give post, astbury, derickx and Moore a run
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how bad has the management been. vickery has stunk it up since rnd 1 deplorable is a kind way of putting it. they are now implying his form is down to his shoulder so why wait so freakin long why persevere with someone for so long who clearly could not perform. those in charge cant have it both ways they defend their man by throwing up injury as an excuse yet they continued to play him with said injury and badly out of form because of said injury. should have had the op after about rnd 4 and we should have got games into someone else.
i tell ya development of junior players has gone out the window. they have gone down the path of no kids instead they have stuck to older players all yr regardless of form.
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And the depth gets worse......
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Vickery out might mean that they persist with Miller for the rest of the year. :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
Jack, Elton and O'Hanlon with Eddo, Nahas and Connors in support. No need for Miller IMO.
seems to me the thinking is 3 tall defenders but when grimes has been hurt they have gone with just two. really is time to play post for a block of games if he goes okay he stays in 3 weeks time astbury may be right to go if he post fails then bring astbury in. a like foe like replacement would be moore if ready.
it is also time to try something different forward.
can try big ivan for more significant time as a forward and play graham in ruck. can bring in a ruck/for/def in derickx just giving him a game. or we could go down the miller path and play mcguane. any of these options has to be better than miller. we could even try post forward
:lol....we are all becoming selection contortionists in an attempt to give Miller the 'Khyber Pass'.
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how bad has the management been. vickery has stunk it up since rnd 1 deplorable is a kind way of putting it. they are now implying his form is down to his shoulder so why wait so freakin long why persevere with someone for so long who clearly could not perform.
The cynic in me thinks that there were 50,000 reasons to delay the decision to pull the plug on TV 8)
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Has the shoulder been giving him grief all season?
edit: just saw the thread move and noticed Grimes too. I has sads :(
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Yep I reckon he did it in the NAB Challenge game against Freo. He came back on that night and was not the same player that night or since.
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Agree claw, good chance to give post, astbury, derickx and Moore a run
Agree boys time to bite the bullet on Post and give him a crack. Albeit against some mediocre performing sides and hopefully he gets some confidence and takes off from there.
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how bad has the management been. vickery has stunk it up since rnd 1 deplorable is a kind way of putting it. they are now implying his form is down to his shoulder so why wait so freakin long why persevere with someone for so long who clearly could not perform. those in charge cant have it both ways they defend their man by throwing up injury as an excuse yet they continued to play him with said injury and badly out of form because of said injury. should have had the op after about rnd 4 and we should have got games into someone else.
i tell ya development of junior players has gone out the window. they have gone down the path of no kids instead they have stuck to older players all yr regardless of form.
Man management has been stuffing atrocious. Jack is not his usual self this yer due to having o pre season. He should have been put Ken for surgery 5-6 weeks before the season finished. Vickery it's confirmed has clearly not been right all year, yet they wait till now? Foleys injury initially wasn't managed well either.
With regards to Grimes, does anybody have details? Is it the same hammy he just came back from?
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1 step forward, 1 step back.
Tough to make the 8 from here now.
Grimes in particular is a massive loss. Devastating.
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this wont go down well but imo and ive wanted us to play young blokes over out of form players and over older players all yr the best thing that can happen to us now is the likes of king jackson the out of form vickery etc cop injuries for no other reason it foreces their hand. they werent keen to ring the changes under any circumstance now they have to.
for me games into kids this has taken precedence over all else. it should have been the clubs priority and the supporters.
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With regards to Grimes, does anybody have details? Is it the same hammy he just came back from?
Opposite leg apparently TM and not as bad as last time. If you can believe the reports. :-\
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That would be last year's hammy then? Time to bin the season.
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The ides of June and July are here
RFC supporters two major depression months are here to mess up our season yet again
Melbourne Storm here I come for my 14th season
:huh
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Cya :lol
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With regards to Grimes, does anybody have details? Is it the same hammy he just came back from?
Opposite leg apparently TM and not as bad as last time. If you can believe the reports. :-\
Cheers smokey, 3 hammys in 15-20 games I don't think u can say not as bad :-[ :-[
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this wont go down well but imo and ive wanted us to play young blokes over out of form players and over older players all yr the best thing that can happen to us now is the likes of king jackson the out of form vickery etc cop injuries for no other reason it foreces their hand. they werent keen to ring the changes under any circumstance now they have to.
for me games into kids this has taken precedence over all else. it should have been the clubs priority and the supporters.
And to think only 6 weeks ago you went nuts because some kids were being gifted games without performing in the two's :lol :lol Glass half full agin Claw :wallywink
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:lol
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With regards to Grimes, does anybody have details? Is it the same hammy he just came back from?
Opposite leg apparently TM and not as bad as last time. If you can believe the reports. :-\
Cheers smokey, 3 hammys in 15-20 games I don't think u can say not as bad :-[ :-[
Yes talk about searching for a silver lining.
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Has the shoulder been giving him grief all season?
edit: just saw the thread move and noticed Grimes too. I has sads :(
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Yep I reckon he did it in the NAB Challenge game against Freo. He came back on that night and was not the same player that night or since.
It was the North/Haw night.
Freo game Hack Dawson gave him a corky when he blatantly kneed him.
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With regards to Grimes, does anybody have details? Is it the same hammy he just came back from?
Opposite leg apparently TM and not as bad as last time. If you can believe the reports. :-\
Cheers smokey, 3 hammys in 15-20 games I don't think u can say not as bad :-[ :-[
No, I hadn't read the latest on it and forgot that it was actually his third. The club did say initially that it didn't look as bad as the last time but considering they are looking at going OS a la Coughlan then it can't be good. Hope like hell they get it fixed because he is fasting becoming a very important cog in our backline. :pray
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How far do people think Moore and Astbury off making returns?
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That would be last year's hammy then? Time to bin the season.
With regards to Grimes, does anybody have details? Is it the same hammy he just came back from?
Opposite leg apparently TM and not as bad as last time. If you can believe the reports. :-\
Cheers smokey, 3 hammys in 15-20 games I don't think u can say not as bad :-[ :-[
No, I hadn't read the latest on it and forgot that it was actually his third. The club did say initially that it didn't look as bad as the last time but considering they are looking at going OS a la Coughlan then it can't be good. Hope like hell they get it fixed because he is fasting becoming a very important cog in our backline. :pray
No it's not the hammy tendon he had surgery on last season
This tendon injury is the opposite one.
Last year's injury was where he tore the tendon off the bone (ouch)
The injury he just came back was a normal hamstring strain in the leg he was operated on last, hence why they said at the time standard 3 weeks but they gave him close to 5 weeks
This injury is to the tendon but is not as bad because the tendon is still attached to the bone and is as I said the opposite leg to the one he had surgery on
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Connors and Martin on the grog again
Delisting of Connors
Martin disciplinary action
What a nightmare
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That would be last year's hammy then? Time to bin the season.
With regards to Grimes, does anybody have details? Is it the same hammy he just came back from?
Opposite leg apparently TM and not as bad as last time. If you can believe the reports. :-\
Cheers smokey, 3 hammys in 15-20 games I don't think u can say not as bad :-[ :-[
No, I hadn't read the latest on it and forgot that it was actually his third. The club did say initially that it didn't look as bad as the last time but considering they are looking at going OS a la Coughlan then it can't be good. Hope like hell they get it fixed because he is fasting becoming a very important cog in our backline. :pray
No it's not the hammy tendon he had surgery on last season
This tendon injury is the opposite one.
Last year's injury was where he tore the tendon off the bone (ouch)
The injury he just came back was a normal hamstring strain in the leg he was operated on last, hence why they said at the time standard 3 weeks but they gave him close to 5 weeks
This injury is to the tendon but is not as bad because the tendon is still attached to the bone and is as I said the opposite leg to the one he had surgery on
Jeebers, most people don't do a tendon in their life, this poor kid does 2 in a year.
Cheers WP, good to hear it's not off the bone, but it may as well be as theres no way imho they will bring him back this season, if it was a standard hammy strain, yep sure, not tendon.
Does this kid need to start doing some yoga and deep core exercises to strengthen his tendons?
Reason for edit: learn to quote son
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That would be last year's hammy then? Time to bin the season.
With regards to Grimes, does anybody have details? Is it the same hammy he just came back from?
Opposite leg apparently TM and not as bad as last time. If you can believe the reports. :-\
Cheers smokey, 3 hammys in 15-20 games I don't think u can say not as bad :-[ :-[
No, I hadn't read the latest on it and forgot that it was actually his third. The club did say initially that it didn't look as bad as the last time but considering they are looking at going OS a la Coughlan then it can't be good. Hope like hell they get it fixed because he is fasting becoming a very important cog in our backline. :pray
No it's not the hammy tendon he had surgery on last season
This tendon injury is the opposite one.
Last year's injury was where he tore the tendon off the bone (ouch)
The injury he just came back was a normal hamstring strain in the leg he was operated on last, hence why they said at the time standard 3 weeks but they gave him close to 5 weeks
This injury is to the tendon but is not as bad because the tendon is still attached to the bone and is as I said the opposite leg to the one he had surgery on
Im pretty sure the one he did earlier this season was opposite to one last season, and this one now is the same as his most recent
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Im pretty sure the one he did earlier this season was opposite to one last season, and this one now is the same as his most recent
You maybe right about the strain and this tendon injury being the same leg
But this new injury to the tendon is the opposite tendon to the one he had surgery on last year
From RFC article:
“Dylan sustained a hamstring tendon injury in his left leg, which is the opposite to his season-ending one last year and not as significant,” Cameron said.
See:
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/140315/default.aspx
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are we crying about injuries. the way i read it the only injured players we have are foley maybe. vickery, grimes, helbig and king.
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Richmond’s Elite Performance Manager Matt Hornsby explained that the decision to cut short Vickery’s season, by sending him to surgery, means he will be ready to undertake a full pre-season of training.
“Ty had his left shoulder operated on. He’s been bothered by that since the start of the season,” he said.
“It’s been something he’s been trying to manage, and we’ve been managing as well.
“It got to a point where it was really impacting the work he could do in the gym.
“He was losing some of his strength and his mass and (he had) limited function game-day . . .
“So, our medical team thought it was best to have that operated on. "He also needs a bit of work done on his right shoulder, so we’ll get that done in a couple of weeks, which will enable him to have a full pre-season and really get that strength and size back on that we need.”
Read full article at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/141170/default.aspx
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Will Foley have any pre season at all?
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more to the point, will he have another season at all
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more to the point, will he have another season at all
Hope so... he only just re-signed :(
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Do we give Craig Cameron the credit for that one or??
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I think that will be decided in hindsight.
:outtahere
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I'm a teacher.
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So Vickery has had an operation on his left shoulder and will have his right operated on in a couple of weeks.
Oh what fun for a professional footballer, consecutive operations on both shoulders.
Just when you learn to shave, write and wipe your behind with one hand you get to change to the other. :-\
Still I suppose AFL players don't worry about the shaving or writing too much.
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Im more concerned about his ability to operate a segway :-[
(http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/segway_wideweb__470x418,2.jpg)
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Has jack apologised yet publicly to him for bagging an injured kid who was trying to give his best whilst injured?
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Has jack apologised yet publicly to him for bagging an injured kid who was trying to give his best whilst injured?
Excellent post.
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Has jack apologised yet publicly to him for bagging an injured kid who was trying to give his best whilst injured?
Excellent post.
if he was injured why was he playing in the first place.
The club has failed here and player. if you put your hand up to play then you are deemed fit to play. No excuses
The club selected him week after week after week. what for?
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Has jack apologised yet publicly to him for bagging an injured kid who was trying to give his best whilst injured?
So whats your point.
players are soft these days.
Remember Francis Bourke playing with a broken leg.
Jeff Hogg when Captain played with a broken Eye Socket held together with a plate one week after it happned.
What its worth, have watched training many times this year. Watched Vickery, he is soft !
Every player plays with injuries, run out on match day
there are NO EXCUSES
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Morris has a similiar issue all season
'He pushes through the pain
Hasnt stopped him charging into packs
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Morris has a similiar issue all season
'He pushes through the pain
Hasnt stopped him charging into packs
i agree on the soft issues. its not as if its only been this yr that vickery has played scared.
we are very much in development yet we play a bloke for half a yr who clearly cant cope with injuries instead of trying someone else. if anyone should apologise its the club for slowing up another players development.
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piffle but hey it makes for
great reading to lets all
get on board and bag our player. :lol
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Duds delist.
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Has jack apologised yet publicly to him for bagging an injured kid who was trying to give his best whilst injured?
So whats your point.
players are soft these days.
Remember Francis Bourke playing with a broken leg.
Jeff Hogg when Captain played with a broken Eye Socket held together with a plate one week after it happned.
What its worth, have watched training many times this year. Watched Vickery, he is soft !
Every player plays with injuries, run out on match day
there are NO EXCUSES
You were quiet in 2011 when he was injury free and kickn butt
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piffle but hey it makes for
great reading to lets all
get on board and bag our player. :lol
not bagging him at all just pointing out what has gone on. even last yr the so called yr that made him a good player he was pulling out of contests. i know a few real good judges of players who have written him off as a ruckman. some of his rucking efforts have been down right disgraceful.
i have three key criticisms of him and they are not just from this yr. just my opinion but 36 goals hid a lot of cracks in his game last yr.
i will continue to criticise him not bag. especially the weak efforts the lack of work rate the lack of contested marks even last yr, the lack of physicality both with ball and without.
this bloke kicks a few goals in a season and everyone proclaims him a top notch afl player. well jack kicks lots of goals every yr and he is poo at times. the bottom line is they both have areas of their games that must be improved upon.
stating what one thinks they are poor at is not bagging but merely being critical of aspects of their games. i dont see any writing him off or demanding he be cut from the list. i dont see anyone saying he has no talent. good on jack for sticking to his guns hes not the only one who has been critical of the soft issues.
if we are to look for blame for the situation vickery is now in surely the club has to take some heat for it. i mean to say vickery wasnt just poor for half of this yr he was bloody awful.
it is a reasonable question to ask why did they persevere with him for so long. why not try someone else other than for those in charge a badly out of form riewoldt an even more out of form vickery and to top it off a very ordinary miller.one or two of us was asking for him to be dropped way back at about rnd 3 for a youinger guy or a change to the structure. to me its been an opportunity lost to get games into a player or find out a bit more about others.
if calling a player who is clearly soft soft, is bagging him then i put my hand up.
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no one cares about your ramblings dude
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Has jack apologised yet publicly to him for bagging an injured kid who was trying to give his best whilst injured?
So whats your point.
players are soft these days.
Remember Francis Bourke playing with a broken leg.
Jeff Hogg when Captain played with a broken Eye Socket held together with a plate one week after it happned.
What its worth, have watched training many times this year. Watched Vickery, he is soft !
Every player plays with injuries, run out on match day
there are NO EXCUSES
You were quiet in 2011 when he was injury free and kickn butt
You have this wrong Chucky. Jack has had it in for Vickery since the second he got drafted and has been a consistent critic of his since. From memory, Jack is a believer that if his father was not a conditioning coach; he would not have been drafted by us. So, in short, Ty never stood a chance.
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Has jack apologised yet publicly to him for bagging an injured kid who was trying to give his best whilst injured?
So whats your point.
players are soft these days.
Remember Francis Bourke playing with a broken leg.
Jeff Hogg when Captain played with a broken Eye Socket held together with a plate one week after it happned.
What its worth, have watched training many times this year. Watched Vickery, he is soft !
Every player plays with injuries, run out on match day
there are NO EXCUSES
You were quiet in 2011 when he was injury free and kickn butt
You have this wrong Chucky. Jack has had it in for Vickery since the second he got drafted and has been a consistent critic of his since. From memory, Jack is a believer that if his father was not a conditioning coach; he would not have been drafted by us. So, in short, Ty never stood a chance.
Fair enough so he was just waiting for him to fail/get injured
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Has jack apologised yet publicly to him for bagging an injured kid who was trying to give his best whilst injured?
So whats your point.
players are soft these days.
Remember Francis Bourke playing with a broken leg.
Jeff Hogg when Captain played with a broken Eye Socket held together with a plate one week after it happned.
What its worth, have watched training many times this year. Watched Vickery, he is soft !
Every player plays with injuries, run out on match day
there are NO EXCUSES
You were quiet in 2011 when he was injury free and kickn butt
You have this wrong Chucky. Jack has had it in for Vickery since the second he got drafted and has been a consistent critic of his since. From memory, Jack is a believer that if his father was not a conditioning coach; he would not have been drafted by us. So, in short, Ty never stood a chance.
All I said was this
I watched Ty at TAC level
By memory he missed alot of footy through injury .knee I think
On what I seen at the time .i would not of picked him up
End of story
And yes.i think he is very soft !
Thought the same as Patto as well and where is he these days ?
Some of you are too easily pleased
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Ty is not an Ivan Maric or a Jonathon Brown, so in that respect Vickery is softer than your garden variety Ruckman or Key Forward. I can't see anything wrong in saying that.....but he shouldn't be written off and he can still play a role ala 2011. So in effect no-one in this conversation should take the 'high ground'.
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Why play a marking forward with a shoulder injury? Obviously effected his marking and performance. Now it effects the team even further. Would have rather seen another player in his spot rather than wait until round 13/14 before they make decision to pack him up for the year. Not sure about this decision and whether it was player or club driven.
Really bad news about Grimes - has the sort of guts and determination that heralds the new tiger spirit! Really hope this kid gets back and his hammy problems are resolved!
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Still very young for ruckman. Most big blokes dont hit their straps until around 23.
I still think Ty will be a good player for us.
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Why play a marking forward with a shoulder injury? Obviously effected his marking and performance. Now it effects the team even further. Would have rather seen another player in his spot rather than wait until round 13/14 before they make decision to pack him up for the year. Not sure about this decision and whether it was player or club driven.
Why because we had no alternative, FFS no club respects Miller and Griff hasn't made it as a CHF.
Ty's rep from last year even if he is doing nothing is better at taking heat off Jack than Miller
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JJ, you thought Patto was soft? Or do you mean you just wouldn't have picked him up?
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Still very young for ruckman. Most big blokes dont hit their straps until around 23.
I still think Ty will be a good player for us.
c'mon now dont be silly, he should be smashing blokes
kicking goals from acute angles, tapping it down the throats
of our midfield.
both of his wings are rooted, but hey get out there
do all the above and then we MIGHT acknowledge
your upside.
personally some need to temper their expectations
on these kids.
from what i saw of him last year he is going
to be a great LONG TERM player for us.
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JJ, you thought Patto was soft? Or do you mean you just wouldn't have picked him up?
Both, hopeless below the knees.
Would never have picked him up.
Is at his 3 club in 5 years (rookie ) this year which says enough.
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That shows that 3 AFL clubs thought he had something to offer. Wasn't soft either. Very courageous.
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Some of our cleanest goals this year were from a Vick dim mak out of the centre
And Patto was not soft. But we've been over both of these facts twice.
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That shows that 3 AFL clubs thought he had something to offer. Wasn't soft either. Very courageous.
Shows that 3 AFL clubs got sucked in and have no idea
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Patto tried his best but he just wasn't up to the level.
He was too small and had no leap for ruck and too slow and lumbering for a kpp.
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That shows that 3 AFL clubs thought he had something to offer. Wasn't soft either. Very courageous.
Shows that 3 AFL clubs got sucked in and have no idea
Hawthorn aint stupid Jack. :lol :rollin :lol
They just were never going to get short in the ruck again. Wayde Skipper. :shh
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Patto tried his best but he just wasn't up to the level.
He was too small and had no leap for ruck and too slow and lumbering for a kpp.
Spot on Mr
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No but they do pick up some duds occasionally
Wade Skipper ring a bell
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Patto tried his best but he just wasn't up to the level.
He was too small and had no leap for ruck and too slow and lumbering for a kpp.
Why recruit him them
Could of told you the obvious
Must of been good at washing the coaches cars
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No but they do pick up some duds occasionally
Wade Skipper ring a bell
They rookied him Jack. Lost Renouf, Campbell, Bailey needed Ruffy in the fwd line it was insurance.
Reminds me of the Miller situation. Until the kids prove themselves or for want of another term he creates a contest. You have endorsed this openly and vehemently in the last two years.
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Patto tried his best but he just wasn't up to the level.
He was too small and had no leap for ruck and too slow and lumbering for a kpp.
Why recruit him them
Could of told you the obvious
Must of been good at washing the coaches cars
good question.
I remember dermie saying that the hawks were looking at him closely but pulled the plug on recruiting him for the reasons above so I was just repeating what I heard dermi already say on radio the year after he was recruited.
I reckon he was spot on.
I also remember him saying once that Dustin Martin was never going to get any better than he already is and never be an elite player or something along those lines. He had some good reasons why but I can't remember what he said.
I really hope he's wrong though. :pray
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Jackstar was a Tigers scout the year we recruited Patto, he played a bigger role in his recruiting than he is leading on :lol :lol oh Myers and Polo also were highly recommended by the JStar :whistle :whistle
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Serious?
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Serious?
Deadly ;) have it all in a PM he sent me boasting about who he was :lol
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:shh
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Jackstar was a Tigers scout the year we recruited Patto, he played a bigger role in his recruiting than he is leading on :lol :lol oh Myers and Polo also were highly recommended by the JStar :whistle :whistle
Wouldn't think that's correct
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Jackstar was a Tigers scout the year we recruited Patto, he played a bigger role in his recruiting than he is leading on :lol :lol oh Myers and Polo also were highly recommended by the JStar :whistle :whistle
This is about 90% correct. TFT has just left off some details. Think McG and 1 or 2 others
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Jackstar was a Tigers scout the year we recruited Patto, he played a bigger role in his recruiting than he is leading on :lol :lol oh Myers and Polo also were highly recommended by the JStar :whistle :whistle
This is about 90% correct. TFT has just left off some details. Think McG and 1 or 2 others
lol....How did I forget Tambling :lol :lol
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Great player was Richard at Under 18 level
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Why play a marking forward with a shoulder injury? Obviously effected his marking and performance. Now it effects the team even further. Would have rather seen another player in his spot rather than wait until round 13/14 before they make decision to pack him up for the year. Not sure about this decision and whether it was player or club driven.
Why because we had no alternative, FFS no club respects Miller and Griff hasn't made it as a CHF.
Ty's rep from last year even if he is doing nothing is better at taking heat off Jack than Miller
lol plenty of options you blind or something or just like making excuses for those in charge. no wonder i take little notice of your posts.
oh silly me a wasted post as you dont read my posts.
just in case you do have some respect for your fellow posters and actually read their posts before acting like a juvenile and posting on something you havent read.
now pay attention, elton derickx mcguane are three recent players we used and have been options all yr. angus graham is also an option so is post. as has miller who as poor as hes been, has been far better than vickery. none of them could have done any worse than vickery. in fact none of them have this yr.
withou a doubt the club have got this one wrong and must take some of the blame.
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Jackstar was a Tigers scout the year we recruited Patto, he played a bigger role in his recruiting than he is leading on :lol :lol oh Myers and Polo also were highly recommended by the JStar :whistle :whistle
Wouldn't think that's correct
What happened to the ignore button?
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Why play a marking forward with a shoulder injury? Obviously effected his marking and performance. Now it effects the team even further. Would have rather seen another player in his spot rather than wait until round 13/14 before they make decision to pack him up for the year. Not sure about this decision and whether it was player or club driven.
Why because we had no alternative, FFS no club respects Miller and Griff hasn't made it as a CHF.
Ty's rep from last year even if he is doing nothing is better at taking heat off Jack than Miller
lol plenty of options you blind or something or just like making excuses for those in charge. no wonder i take little notice of your posts.
oh silly me a wasted post as you dont read my posts.
just in case you do have some respect for your fellow posters and actually read their posts before acting like a juvenile and posting on something you havent read.
now pay attention, elton derickx mcguane are three recent players we used and have been options all yr. angus graham is also an option so is post. as has miller who as poor as hes been, has been far better than vickery. none of them could have done any worse than vickery. in fact none of them have this yr.
withou a doubt the club have got this one wrong and must take some of the blame.
of the four you named, only two can give ivan a rest in the ruck, something a lot of people dont consider when wanting to replace vickery.