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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: TigerLand on August 18, 2012, 07:16:17 PM
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McGuane
Jackson
Nahas
White
Derickx
Graham
Enough is enough.
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Nahas has to go
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Enough is enough.
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Craig Cameron must be replaced by Neil Balme. I also think Francis Jackson and his team have had a fair go and its time to move them on. We thank them for their efforts as supporters, but missing the eight year in year out is unacceptable and we cannot and should not allow that to continue.
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This off season will make or break Dimma, I really hope he doesnt lose his nerve and try and play it safe by keeping spuds bc they have mature bodies :help
must clean out the list and bring in some much needed talent
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Cant wait for the end of the season just to see the end of McGuane, he is just not AFL standard, embarrassing to watch him miss an open goal but the funny thing was as he was running in to goal i was fully expecting him to do something unbelievable and yet again he didnt let me down. The sooner this guy doesn't have "AFL footballer" as an occupation on his tax return the better it will be for all lovers of the game.
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McGuane and White for me are certainties.
If Dimma thinks otherwise I will turn and I have stood by Dimma from day one.
Enough is enough is enough these guys are not even at a sub standard level.
Jako will stay b/c he has one year to run and noone will trade for him.
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Nahas has to go
Whoever it is that apparently has offered him 4 years can have him.
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add newman to that list
as for nahas been saying this from day one he is too weak too light too soft too scared
:banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
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add newman to that list
as for nahas been saying this from day one he is too weak too light too soft too scared
:banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
There was a post in another thread that said that Nahas has only kicked 8 goals against top 8 sides.
Until he can or unless he can improve that output against the more elite sides he is just another player. Shocking game today.
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Shane Edwards
Luke McGuane
Matthew White
Daniel Jackson
Matthew Dea
Dean MacDonald
Angus Graham
Andrew Browne
Daniel Connors
Kelvin Moore
They all need to be off our list!
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!
DO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO GET RID OF THEM!
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Shane Edwards
Luke McGuane
Matthew White
Daniel Jackson
Matthew Dea
Dean MacDonald
Angus Graham
Andrew Browne
Daniel Connors
Kelvin Moore
They all need to be off our list!
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!
DO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO GET RID OF THEM!
Dea will not be gone kid is in his third year.
Graham and Jako have a year to run after this year and can't be traded as nobody will be interested.
Edwards will not be going either.
Browne is questionable, You think Torch Browne should be delisted or Derickx?
Agree on White and McGuane.
As for the others why mention 3 players who have either retired been delisted or have no hope of coming back to the club and back on your earlier points why mention some players who didn't even play today?
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Craig Cameron must be replaced by Neil Balme. I also think Francis Jackson and his team have had a fair go and its time to move them on. We thank them for their efforts as supporters, but missing the eight year in year out is unacceptable and we cannot and should not allow that to continue.
Yep 3 years is long enough to build a list. FFS :banghead
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Craig Cameron must be replaced by Neil Balme.
which part of "Neil Balme has a contract and he wont break it" don't people understand?
Do you really think Neil Blame would of made a ounce of difference with what happened today?
Um I think not
I also think Francis Jackson and his team have had a fair go and its time to move them on. We thank them for their efforts as supporters, but missing the eight year in year out is unacceptable and we cannot and should not allow that to continue.
Again if people are truly honest how many really thought we were going to make finals this year?
Also, 6-7 weeks out from trade weeks and a couple of months out from the draft you want to give the recruiting dept the flick and replace them with who exactly?
Yes it was a shocking performance today, worst performance of the season TBBH but if you want to point the finger of blame send it in the direction of the players, the usual suspects who let us down with shocking skills
And BTW did I mention the sensational weather over here today ;D
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And BTW did I mention the sensational weather over here today ;D
Yes, I see your comment and I raise you my reply in another thread. Darwin is the sh11t. :thumbsup
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burn the house down.
fairdinkum its like meerkats
in here sometimes. :gotigers
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Again if people are truly honest how many really thought we were going to make finals this year?
I did. I rated us about 7th to 12th. Looks like we're going to come in the bottom of that range which is disappointing. I still don't see a whole lot of above average AFL players in defense or up forward. We could do with another couple of quality mid fielders too. We have a smattering of above average AFL all over the ground but there are still quite a few positions filled with average AFL standard or below players.
I hope next year Conca, Ellis, Vickery, Batchelor, Helbig, Dea, Grimes really improve next year or it will be an indictment on our development coaches and system. They will be 40-50+ game players by then and starting to influence games. This is where our noticeable improvement and depth will come from next year if we get any.
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Graham, mcguane, maric, webberley is all that will probably go. Moore, miller, macdonald, Connors and heslin have gone. That's 9 players.
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McGuane
Jackson
Nahas
White
Derickx
Graham
Enough is enough.
McGuane - 50/50. He's not going to cost much and if he does a reasonable job at filling a gap forward or backline I'd keep him. You can't blame him for our recent losses except maybe a crap game last night.
Jackson - You're joking. Every side needs tough players to go under the pack and protect the likes of young Cotchins etc. Same thing. Cheap player, tries hard, fit, tough - definitely worth keeping despite his lack of speed/skill IMO.
Nahas - Has kicked 32 goals this year. Hasn't been great the last few weeks but what more could you want? Seriously...
White - yeah I'd probably delist
Derickx - two years at RFC, one ruined by injury. Would consider another year/last chance but otherwise wouldn't be disappointed if he was delisted
Gus - As a backup ruchman for Maric I'd keep him simply for his mature body. Would rather lose Derickx or Brown.
I'd delist Post unless he pulls a miracle in the last two rounds. Would have said Miller and Moore but it looks like RFC has already acted there.
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Craig Cameron must be replaced by Neil Balme. I also think Francis Jackson and his team have had a fair go and its time to move them on. We thank them for their efforts as supporters, but missing the eight year in year out is unacceptable and we cannot and should not allow that to continue.
Yep 3 years is long enough to build a list. FFS :banghead
craig cameron has been there since 07, francis jackson since 05. list management has not been good in the time hes been there. recruiting is very questionable up to 09 isay 09 because its a bit early to judge later drafts.
at the very least in all areas we should be asking ourselves do we need to do better should we do better can we do better. nothing against these two blokes but we have to review all areas of the club regularly.
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Craig Cameron must be replaced by Neil Balme. I also think Francis Jackson and his team have had a fair go and its time to move them on. We thank them for their efforts as supporters, but missing the eight year in year out is unacceptable and we cannot and should not allow that to continue.
Yep 3 years is long enough to build a list. FFS :banghead
craig cameron has been there since 07, francis jackson since 05. list management has not been good in the time hes been there. recruiting is very questionable up to 09 isay 09 because its a bit early to judge later drafts.
at the very least in all areas we should be asking ourselves do we need to do better should we do better can we do better. nothing against these two blokes but we have to review all areas of the club regularly.
We had 1 guy covering 8 states/territories for the first few years and Wallace wanting to recruit a certain type. The post I replied to said sack his TEAM they have had long enough which is 3 years which as you said is too early to tell. At least Jackson didn't butcher any first rounders while he was by himself. Cameron I'd agree with you though. Though in his defence we can't get rid of everyone at once and we had a hell of a lot of spuds. He just had to keep the most useful duds if that makes any sense.
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heres a list of uncontracted/ retired or cut players.
browne, derickx, webberley,mcguane, white, foley, newman, tuck, and post all uncontracted. this is the group of players where delistings will come from.
retired moore.
delisted/walked macdonald, moore.
rookies retired
miller, heslin.
im damn sure we wont be cutting contracted players so people should forget about the likes of nahas jackson king graham etc going this yr.
for me 7 or 8 should be cut from the list proper so that means 4 or 5 of the named uncontracted players above will join moore, macdonald, and connors. to me they should be browne, derickx, webberley, mcguane, and white.
i cant see any of tuck, foley the captain newman or post getting the flick.
so with just a little common sense and a little deduction the delistings/retirements will come from.
moore, macdonald, connors, webberley, browne, derickx, mcguane, white list proper.
miller heslin and one other rookies giving us 4 selections here.
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so newman goes yipeee :cheers
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McGuane
Jackson
Nahas
White
Derickx
Graham
Enough is enough.
McGuane - 50/50. He's not going to cost much and if he does a reasonable job at filling a gap forward or backline I'd keep him. You can't blame him for our recent losses except maybe a crap game last night.
Jackson - You're joking. Every side needs tough players to go under the pack and protect the likes of young Cotchins etc. Same thing. Cheap player, tries hard, fit, tough - definitely worth keeping despite his lack of speed/skill IMO.
Nahas - Has kicked 32 goals this year. Hasn't been great the last few weeks but what more could you want? Seriously...
White - yeah I'd probably delist
Derickx - two years at RFC, one ruined by injury. Would consider another year/last chance but otherwise wouldn't be disappointed if he was delisted
Gus - As a backup ruchman for Maric I'd keep him simply for his mature body. Would rather lose Derickx or Brown.
I'd delist Post unless he pulls a miracle in the last two rounds. Would have said Miller and Moore but it looks like RFC has already acted there.
U delist a young promising tall in post but keep mcguane instead. No idea
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U delist a young promising tall in post but keep mcguane instead. No idea
agree, delist them both 8)
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U delist a young promising tall in post but keep mcguane instead. No idea
agree, delist them both 8)
Yeah and grimes does a hammy, griffiths does a quad next year and batchelor is our chb for 7 weeks at 187cm. Good idea
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Better idea than playing post 8)
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Reckon Gerks is a moral to get delisted from OER
:thumbsup
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Reckon Gerks is a moral to get delisted from OER
:thumbsup
Bit like when you got delisted from Richmond by Wallet :thumbsup
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Gerks is back again again again :shh
Must be pretty useless to get the arse from Wallace lmao
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Reckon Gerks is a moral to get delisted from OER
:thumbsup
Bit like when you got delisted from Richmond by Wallet :thumbsup
I wish we could delist a couple of the more painful posters on here.
Especially the funny ones. :lol
( :outtahere as he waits for the foul reply, thank god for the ignore list, some of the PMs have been a little nauseating )
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I have him on my ignore list too, 65'. :thumbsup
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Gerks is back again again again :shh
Must be pretty useless to get the behind from Wallace lmao
Leave the comedy to me son
You material is a bit old
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Gerks is back again again again :shh
Must be pretty useless to get the behind from Wallace lmao
Leave the comedy to me son
You material is a bit old
Old but Gold.....with a bit of truth in it to :lol
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Give me a spell you clowns
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McGuane
Jackson
Nahas
White
Derickx
Graham
Enough is enough.
McGuane - 50/50. He's not going to cost much and if he does a reasonable job at filling a gap forward or backline I'd keep him. You can't blame him for our recent losses except maybe a crap game last night.
Jackson - You're joking. Every side needs tough players to go under the pack and protect the likes of young Cotchins etc. Same thing. Cheap player, tries hard, fit, tough - definitely worth keeping despite his lack of speed/skill IMO.
Nahas - Has kicked 32 goals this year. Hasn't been great the last few weeks but what more could you want? Seriously...
White - yeah I'd probably delist
Derickx - two years at RFC, one ruined by injury. Would consider another year/last chance but otherwise wouldn't be disappointed if he was delisted
Gus - As a backup ruchman for Maric I'd keep him simply for his mature body. Would rather lose Derickx or Brown.
I'd delist Post unless he pulls a miracle in the last two rounds. Would have said Miller and Moore but it looks like RFC has already acted there.
U delist a young promising tall in post but keep mcguane instead. No idea
After five years on Richmonds list I haven't seen enough from Post to label him as 'promising'. You must be blind. He takes a good mark every now and then but he hasn't put on enough size and his disposal is one of the lowest efficiencies at the club. After five years I'm almost ready to close the door unless he uses the last two games to really impress me.
McGuane isn't much better but he's tougher than Post, period. Thats why I'd keep him.
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Better idea than playing post 8)
Yeah if you don't really care about the club 8)
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The club is stuffed if they delist Post. The point of no return 8)
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Post is in his 4th year with about 30 games.
Grimes, astbury and griffiths are in their 3rd years with about 20 games.
Rance is in his 5th year with about 60 games.
The 4th or 5th year is where all these guys will flourish
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I can't wait :thumbsup
You beauty we have hope
Hang in there members we are still on track but we must play finals next year
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Shane Edwards
Luke McGuane
Matthew White
Daniel Jackson
Matthew Dea
Dean MacDonald
Angus Graham
Andrew Browne
Daniel Connors
Kelvin Moore
They all need to be off our list!
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!
DO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO GET RID OF THEM!
Dea will not be gone kid is in his third year.
Graham and Jako have a year to run after this year and can't be traded as nobody will be interested.
Edwards will not be going either.
Browne is questionable, You think Torch Browne should be delisted or Derickx?
Agree on White and McGuane.
As for the others why mention 3 players who have either retired been delisted or have no hope of coming back to the club and back on your earlier points why mention some players who didn't even play today?
I would keep Derickx because he is more agile then Browne. Browne is to slow!
I would offer Graham and Jackson to GWS for anything.
Dea is a genuine "nothing" player.
Edwards I would trade as bait to Adelaide or Port Adelaide!
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miller heslin and one other rookies giving us 4 selections here.
I hope that 'other rookie' is A Maric. Piva, Ben and Gibson deserve one more year to sus-out if they can improve or not. Maric is older and just isn't up to it.
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So far ive got
Senior:
Moore - retired
Connors - sacked
McDonald - quitter
McGuane - delist
Webberley - delist
Graham - delist
Derickx - delist
Rookie:
Miller - retired
Maric - delist
Heslin - quitter
7 senior spots I predict 4 draft picks 3 free agents all going to plan, maybe 5 picks 2 agents
Pretty sure we don't have a full compliment of rookies so 4 new rookies, at least 2 mature age, plus international outside list Gideon Simon
12 new players
Good clean out IMO
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So far ive got
Senior:
Moore - retired
Connors - sacked
McDonald - quitter
McGuane - delist
Webberley - delist
Graham - delist
Derickx - delist
Rookie:
Miller - retired
Maric - delist
Heslin - quitter
7 senior spots I predict 4 draft picks 3 free agents all going to plan, maybe 5 picks 2 agents
Pretty sure we don't have a full compliment of rookies so 4 new rookies, at least 2 mature age, plus international outside list Gideon Simon
12 new players
Good clean out IMO
You can now add Tigermonk to the quitters list :lol
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:gotigers
So far ive got
Senior:
Moore - retired
Connors - sacked
McDonald - quitter
McGuane - delist
Webberley - delist
Graham - delist
Derickx - delist
Rookie:
Miller - retired
Maric - delist
Heslin - quitter
7 senior spots I predict 4 draft picks 3 free agents all going to plan, maybe 5 picks 2 agents
Pretty sure we don't have a full compliment of rookies so 4 new rookies, at least 2 mature age, plus international outside list Gideon Simon
12 new players
Good clean out IMO
Pretty good clean out Gerks. Think you've nailed it this time.
Hope the club has the same opinion.
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You can now add Tigermonk to the quitters list :lol
:lol
maybe he'll do a jackstar and '65
lock the back door
Pretty good clean out Gerks. Think you've nailed it this time.
Hope the club has the same opinion.
Cheers YBB
Post over Derickx because he's at least getting games and plays ok for Coburg, Derickx just never seems to have any impact anywhere
Browne over Graham, younger, has a big ticker, performs as well as Gus at Coburg, plus he sold Varcoe some candy lmao
Could easily delist them and a few more, can't get rid of them all though
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So far ive got
Senior:
Moore - retired
Connors - sacked
McDonald - quitter
McGuane - delist
Webberley - delist
Graham - delist
Derickx - delist
Rookie:
Miller - retired
Maric - delist
Heslin - quitter
7 senior spots I predict 4 draft picks 3 free agents all going to plan, maybe 5 picks 2 agents
Pretty sure we don't have a full compliment of rookies so 4 new rookies, at least 2 mature age, plus international outside list Gideon Simon
12 new players
Good clean out IMO
Top work gerkin. Question, is Graham contracted for next season or not? :huh I'd be very pleased with all the above, just not sure if I read somewhere Gus was contracted for 2013. :banghead
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Craig Cameron flushed Gus's contract in Cairns, it's now croc poo
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So far ive got
Senior:
Moore - retired
Connors - sacked
McDonald - quitter
McGuane - delist
Webberley - delist
Graham - delist
Derickx - delist
Rookie:
Miller - retired
Maric - delist
Heslin - quitter
7 senior spots I predict 4 draft picks 3 free agents all going to plan, maybe 5 picks 2 agents
Pretty sure we don't have a full compliment of rookies so 4 new rookies, at least 2 mature age, plus international outside list Gideon Simon
12 new players
Good clean out IMO
Top work gerkin. Question, is Graham contracted for next season or not? :huh I'd be very pleased with all the above, just not sure if I read somewhere Gus was contracted for 2013. :banghead
yep gus is with us to 2013. for this reason i reckon the out of contract browne will be cut.
apart from those already gone delistings will come from. browne derickx, foley, mcguane, newman, post, tuck, webberley, white unless a trade is done for one of our contracted players.
tuck post newman and foley would have to be safe among the uncontracted players it doesnt leave a lot that can be pruned.
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Spot on IMO also, if Gus is tied to us till 2013 then Browne will get the flick.
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I vote 2 picks, 2 free agents and 1 secret agent...
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_g1DYS5F6OcI/TF1H_RTVBYI/AAAAAAAAAxk/Ll-ywFHJsXE/s400/secret-agent.jpg)
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just use gus next year under the following directives
At the center bounce,elbow the opposition ruck man in the face as he comes down....all day
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just use gus next year under the following directives
At the center bounce,elbow the opposition ruck man in the face as he comes down....all day
He can't do that if you phrase it this way maybe just maybe he might make an impact.
"If you slap the opposition ruckman like you slapped that woman in 2011 you'll become a bohemoth".
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Browne
MacDonald
Should be first two ...
McGuane
White
Should be kept as depth players ... or trade bait ...
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Gus should be kept. Awesome bloke
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So far ive got
Senior:
Moore - retired
Connors - sacked
McDonald - quitter
McGuane - delist
Webberley - delist
Graham - delist
Derickx - delist
Rookie:
Miller - retired
Maric - delist
Heslin - quitter
7 senior spots I predict 4 draft picks 3 free agents all going to plan, maybe 5 picks 2 agents
Pretty sure we don't have a full compliment of rookies so 4 new rookies, at least 2 mature age, plus international outside list Gideon Simon
12 new players
Good clean out IMO
Top work gerkin. Question, is Graham contracted for next season or not? :huh I'd be very pleased with all the above, just not sure if I read somewhere Gus was contracted for 2013. :banghead
yep gus is with us to 2013. for this reason i reckon the out of contract browne will be cut.
apart from those already gone delistings will come from. browne derickx, foley, mcguane, newman, post, tuck, webberley, white unless a trade is done for one of our contracted players.
tuck post newman and foley would have to be safe among the uncontracted players it doesnt leave a lot that can be pruned.
Surely the Club will pay Gus out. No point keeping a player who will be a list clogger spending the whole year again at Coburg!
I reckon Gerks list is pretty much spot on. Possibly Whitey will be cut as well.
Senior list:
Out: Moore, Connors, McDonald, McGuane, Webberley, Graham, Derickx and White.
That's not including trades. With Chaplin supposedly coming in then someone list Postie could be traded out if the Clubs thinks it has an excess of tall backs.
In: 5 National draft picks, 2 free agents plus either another traded for national draft pick, a PSD pick or a third free agent.
Rookie list:
Out: Miller, A.Maric, Heslin
That will leave us with 4 rookie draft picks. No guarantees on either Wright or Darrou for mine either.
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The commentaters on friday night were saying that dimma said that noone was playing for their future, so unless they were playing blokes who they had already decided to cut, which would be unlikely, it seems that all those playing friday will be retained.
I suppose this doesnt discount trades though.
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"Player meetings are tomorrow I've been told."
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/end-of-season-gossip.967998/page-38#post-25430849
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"Player meetings are tomorrow I've been told."
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/end-of-season-gossip.967998/page-38#post-25430849
:nope :nope
And BTW that's funny
Players meetings before the final game of the season - yeah right ;D
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The original official Tiger delistings thread has mysteriously disappeared into the internet ether :huh3 so I'll repost the official delistings here:
Retired
Kel Moore - 87 career games, 12 goals
Brad Miller - 157 games (24 at Richmond), 120 goals (31 at Richmond)
Delisted
Daniel Connors - 27 games, 7 goals
Jeromey Webberley - 16 games, 3 goals
Andrew Browne - 12 games, 2 goals
Dean MacDonald - no games
Addam Maric (Rookie) - 10 games at Richmond (31 in total)
Piva Wright (Rookie) - no games
Gibson Turner (Rookie) - no games
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/147063/default.aspx
With McGuane and White seemingly getting new contracts that will leave Derickx and Post as the only ones still out of contract.
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Derickx and Post should receive another year, White shop around with or offer another year and McGuane Rookie List or shop around with too.
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Derickx and Post should receive another year
Based on what?
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Derickx and Post should receive another year
Based on what?
Based on knowing 100% what they can bring. No one knows 100%. They think they do but they know they don't 8)
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Derickx and Post should receive another year
Based on what?
Based on knowing 100% what they can bring. No one knows 100%. They think they do but they know they don't 8)
I asked Torch not you because we all know you've lost the plot
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Derickx and Post should receive another year
Based on what?
Based on knowing 100% what they can bring. No one knows 100%. They think they do but they know they don't 8)
I asked Torch not you because we all know you've lost the plot
I'm one who hasn't lost it. I'm not a completely negative tosser :)
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Derickx and Post should receive another year
Based on what?
hmm for post at least.
1/ age hes only 22.
2/ the lack of genuine tall defenders on the list even if chaplin comes.
3/ i reckon theres is some decent signs that post will be a decent player. one more yr is warranted but no improvement next yr would see him get the chop.
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Derickx and Post should receive another year
Based on what?
Derickx has more mobility than Graham, Graham surely is GONESKI!
Post as depth key position player, he will be fighting with Astbury, Elton, Griffiths next year as that KPP and can create selection pressure if (IF) he gets aggressive!
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Tigers Matthew White, Jayden Post and Tom Derickx are believed to be in talks about remaining at the club.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/148246/default.aspx
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1/ age hes only 22.
2/ the lack of genuine tall defenders on the list even if chaplin comes.
3/ i reckon theres is some decent signs that post will be a decent player. one more yr is warranted but no improvement next yr would see him get the chop.
He's worse than McGuane at the same age and you're defending him?! You've changed.
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Post and McGuane were only getting games as they were being shopped around, shame they couldn't show a bit more
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1/ age hes only 22.
2/ the lack of genuine tall defenders on the list even if chaplin comes.
3/ i reckon theres is some decent signs that post will be a decent player. one more yr is warranted but no improvement next yr would see him get the chop.
He's worse than McGuane at the same age and you're defending him?! You've changed.
whos defended anyone. and no i havent changed. i think it prudent to give him one more yr. i usually give 195cm plus players plenty of time. there have been plenty of good glimpses from this bloke mixed in with the crap.
like most i have grave concerns unlike most i think or hope he can go up a gear or two and improve.
would certainly keep a 30 game 4 yr player over a 90 odd game 8 yr player. at least with post there is scope for improvement.
again why would we keep him
1/ hes only 22 a lot of times it takes really tall players till age 24 before they click.
2/ the lack of genuine tall defenders on the list we have just 4 including the rookie darrou of which post is one of them.
3/ as i have said i reckon there is an upside to him and there have been good glimpses mixed in with the real ordinary one more yr when all is considered is not unreasonable. if he cant sort out his weaknesses next yr well and good give him the flick.
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Post's closing speed is 'glacier-like'. How is this going to increase with age? :huh3
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1/ age hes only 22.
2/ the lack of genuine tall defenders on the list even if chaplin comes.
3/ i reckon theres is some decent signs that post will be a decent player. one more yr is warranted but no improvement next yr would see him get the chop.
He's worse than McGuane at the same age and you're defending him?! You've changed.
whos defended anyone. and no i havent changed. i think it prudent to give him one more yr. i usually give 195cm plus players plenty of time. there have been plenty of good glimpses from this bloke mixed in with the crap.
like most i have grave concerns unlike most i think or hope he can go up a gear or two and improve.
would certainly keep a 30 game 4 yr player over a 90 odd game 8 yr player. at least with post there is scope for improvement.
again why would we keep him
1/ hes only 22 a lot of times it takes really tall players till age 24 before they click.
2/ the lack of genuine tall defenders on the list we have just 4 including the rookie darrou of which post is one of them.
3/ as i have said i reckon there is an upside to him and there have been good glimpses mixed in with the real ordinary one more yr when all is considered is not unreasonable. if he cant sort out his weaknesses next yr well and good give him the flick.
Yet you lay into Vickery who is younger and taller? And want to trade Rance when he is only 2 months older and light years ahead of Post?
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1/ age hes only 22.
2/ the lack of genuine tall defenders on the list even if chaplin comes.
3/ i reckon theres is some decent signs that post will be a decent player. one more yr is warranted but no improvement next yr would see him get the chop.
He's worse than McGuane at the same age and you're defending him?! You've changed.
whos defended anyone. and no i havent changed. i think it prudent to give him one more yr. i usually give 195cm plus players plenty of time. there have been plenty of good glimpses from this bloke mixed in with the crap.
like most i have grave concerns unlike most i think or hope he can go up a gear or two and improve.
would certainly keep a 30 game 4 yr player over a 90 odd game 8 yr player. at least with post there is scope for improvement.
again why would we keep him
1/ hes only 22 a lot of times it takes really tall players till age 24 before they click.
2/ the lack of genuine tall defenders on the list we have just 4 including the rookie darrou of which post is one of them.
3/ as i have said i reckon there is an upside to him and there have been good glimpses mixed in with the real ordinary one more yr when all is considered is not unreasonable. if he cant sort out his weaknesses next yr well and good give him the flick.
Yet you lay into Vickery who is younger and taller? And want to trade Rance when he is only 2 months older and light years ahead of Post?
Yeah but they have clear identifiable weaknesses that claw can see will never improve :shh
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Post's closing speed is 'glacier-like'. How is this going to increase with age? :huh3
;D
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1/ age hes only 22.
2/ the lack of genuine tall defenders on the list even if chaplin comes.
3/ i reckon theres is some decent signs that post will be a decent player. one more yr is warranted but no improvement next yr would see him get the chop.
He's worse than McGuane at the same age and you're defending him?! You've changed.
whos defended anyone. and no i havent changed. i think it prudent to give him one more yr. i usually give 195cm plus players plenty of time. there have been plenty of good glimpses from this bloke mixed in with the crap.
like most i have grave concerns unlike most i think or hope he can go up a gear or two and improve.
would certainly keep a 30 game 4 yr player over a 90 odd game 8 yr player. at least with post there is scope for improvement.
again why would we keep him
1/ hes only 22 a lot of times it takes really tall players till age 24 before they click.
2/ the lack of genuine tall defenders on the list we have just 4 including the rookie darrou of which post is one of them.
3/ as i have said i reckon there is an upside to him and there have been good glimpses mixed in with the real ordinary one more yr when all is considered is not unreasonable. if he cant sort out his weaknesses next yr well and good give him the flick.
Yet you lay into Vickery who is younger and taller? And want to trade Rance when he is only 2 months older and light years ahead of Post?
so what are you saying vickery unlike post should be exempt from criticism, or rance is untouchable as far as trades go. well i disagree.
have i asked for vickery to be cut no is the answer. i lay into vickery because hes been lousy in many areas injury or no injury i also lay into post and his weaknesses.there are parts of vickerys game far worse than posts and vice versa.
have i ever asked for rance to be cut delisted. the simple answer is no.
yes i would trade rance for tyson it would take a player of rances worth to get that deal done theres nothing more to it.
why offer up a trade if its got no chance of getting off the ground.
would trading rance hurt us structurally my oath.but to get outright quality like tyson which is about the only reason why you would trade rance i would do it.
do i point out rances weaknesses and criticise him for them you bet and will continue to do so. theres a big difference between delisting a player and trading them.
we want to cut post right or wrong me i would rather give him one more yr for the reasons i stated.
would i trade post for the right offer yes would i do the same with rance and vickery yes. for the right price they are all fair game apart from a few.
post is on thin ice i would not be surprised if he was delisted and i certainly could not blame them if they did. cant see us getting anything for him atm but i see some good signs along with the bad.i reckon hes one of of those types where it will quickly fall into place and it will have to next yr or he will and should go.
for me the real question here is a choice between mcguane and post and i would keep post every day of the week for one more yr. it has nothing to do with deserved criticism of vickery or trading rance for potentially a super player. its a choice between a player who has upside and a player whos had 8 yrs of mediocrity with no real upside.
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1/ age hes only 22.
2/ the lack of genuine tall defenders on the list even if chaplin comes.
3/ i reckon theres is some decent signs that post will be a decent player. one more yr is warranted but no improvement next yr would see him get the chop.
He's worse than McGuane at the same age and you're defending him?! You've changed.
whos defended anyone. and no i havent changed. i think it prudent to give him one more yr. i usually give 195cm plus players plenty of time. there have been plenty of good glimpses from this bloke mixed in with the crap.
like most i have grave concerns unlike most i think or hope he can go up a gear or two and improve.
would certainly keep a 30 game 4 yr player over a 90 odd game 8 yr player. at least with post there is scope for improvement.
again why would we keep him
1/ hes only 22 a lot of times it takes really tall players till age 24 before they click.
2/ the lack of genuine tall defenders on the list we have just 4 including the rookie darrou of which post is one of them.
3/ as i have said i reckon there is an upside to him and there have been good glimpses mixed in with the real ordinary one more yr when all is considered is not unreasonable. if he cant sort out his weaknesses next yr well and good give him the flick.
Yet you lay into Vickery who is younger and taller? And want to trade Rance when he is only 2 months older and light years ahead of Post?
so what are you saying vickery unlike post should be exempt from criticism, or rance is untouchable as far as trades go. well i disagree.
have i asked for vickery to be cut no is the answer. i lay into vickery because hes been lousy in many areas injury or no injury i also lay into post and his weaknesses.there are parts of vickerys game far worse than posts and vice versa.
have i ever asked for rance to be cut delisted. the simple answer is no.
yes i would trade rance for tyson it would take a player of rances worth to get that deal done theres nothing more to it.
why offer up a trade if its got no chance of getting off the ground.
would trading rance hurt us structurally my oath.but to get outright quality like tyson which is about the only reason why you would trade rance i would do it.
do i point out rances weaknesses and criticise him for them you bet and will continue to do so. theres a big difference between delisting a player and trading them.
we want to cut post right or wrong me i would rather give him one more yr for the reasons i stated.
would i trade post for the right offer yes would i do the same with rance and vickery yes. for the right price they are all fair game apart from a few.
post is on thin ice i would not be surprised if he was delisted and i certainly could not blame them if they did. cant see us getting anything for him atm but i see some good signs along with the bad.i reckon hes one of of those types where it will quickly fall into place and it will have to next yr or he will and should go.
for me the real question here is a choice between mcguane and post and i would keep post every day of the week for one more yr. it has nothing to do with deserved criticism of vickery or trading rance for potentially a super player. its a choice between a player who has upside and a player whos had 8 yrs of mediocrity with no real upside.
Not saying that at all. Simply stating that in your original post you seemed to be sticking up for Post because of age and height but were willing to criticise Rance and Vickery very openly. But it doesnt matter as you cleared all that up :thumbsup
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Blair Hartley said we'll be using 4 draft picks.
At the moment we have 3 senior list spots free ...
5 Out: Moore, Connors, Webberley, Browne, MacDonald
2 In: Knights, Chaplin
So another current Tiger on our senior list has to be moved on to free up a spot for a 4th pick.
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Blair Hartley said we'll be using 4 draft picks.
At the moment we have 3 senior list spots free ...
5 Out: Moore, Connors, Webberley, Browne, MacDonald
2 In: Knights, Chaplin
So another current Tiger on our senior list has to be moved on to free up a spot for a 4th pick.
Or Newman to the Vets list?
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Blair Hartley said we'll be using 4 draft picks.
At the moment we have 3 senior list spots free ...
5 Out: Moore, Connors, Webberley, Browne, MacDonald
2 In: Knights, Chaplin
So another current Tiger on our senior list has to be moved on to free up a spot for a 4th pick.
Or Newman to the Vets list?
Already on it.
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Blair Hartley said we'll be using 4 draft picks.
At the moment we have 3 senior list spots free ...
5 Out: Moore, Connors, Webberley, Browne, MacDonald
2 In: Knights, Chaplin
So another current Tiger on our senior list has to be moved on to free up a spot for a 4th pick.
Or Newman to the Vets list?
Newy is already on the vets list although at the moment he's inside the senior list so you're right TT he could be moved to outside the senior list if need be to free up another senior list spot.
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Blair Hartley said we'll be using 4 draft picks.
At the moment we have 3 senior list spots free ...
5 Out: Moore, Connors, Webberley, Browne, MacDonald
2 In: Knights, Chaplin
So another current Tiger on our senior list has to be moved on to free up a spot for a 4th pick.
Or Newman to the Vets list?
Newy is already on the vets list although at the moment he's inside the senior list so you're right TT he could be moved to outside the senior list if need be to free up another senior list spot.
Yep, that's what I thought. So I think that means we can take an extra player on to the senior list and reduce our rookie list by one from memory?
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Blair Hartley said we'll be using 4 draft picks.
At the moment we have 3 senior list spots free ...
5 Out: Moore, Connors, Webberley, Browne, MacDonald
2 In: Knights, Chaplin
So another current Tiger on our senior list has to be moved on to free up a spot for a 4th pick.
Or Newman to the Vets list?
Newy is already on the vets list although at the moment he's inside the senior list so you're right TT he could be moved to outside the senior list if need be to free up another senior list spot.
Yep, that's what I thought. So I think that means we can take an extra player on to the senior list and reduce our rookie list by one from memory?
Yep that's correct TT. The final decision on which way to go often comes down to how much we want to spend on our list as senior listed players earn more than rookies.
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Derrickx should surely be first to go then. He's 25 with 2 games to his name. Either him or Graham.
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Derrickx should surely be first to go then. He's 25 with 2 games to his name. Either him or Graham.
Or Post
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Derrickx should surely be first to go then. He's 25 with 2 games to his name. Either him or Graham.
Or Post
Shown alot more than Derrickx and is 3 years younger. Pretty obvious choice
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Delist them both
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both three of them
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Derrickx should surely be first to go then. He's 25 with 2 games to his name. Either him or Graham.
Or Post
I'd keep the rucks over comPost.
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Get rid of Graham amd Derrickx.
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Delist Post, Dericx and Graham
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Graham is contracted for next year so he can't be delisted.
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He can if we pay him out. We did that to Gourdis.
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Graham is contracted for next year so he can't be delisted.
There are ways.
Horse head in his bed
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He can if we pay him out. We did that to Gourdis.
Gourdis would have been on a quarter of what Graham is :lol
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He can if we pay him out. We did that to Gourdis.
Gourdis would have been on a quarter of what Graham is :lol
Not sure about a quarter but certainly Gus' contract value would mean he isn't going to get de-listed
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Sometimes you have to take a hit to move forward.
Most of the opinion does not support keeping graham - and there no point having him in the twos.
Club should be doing its utmost to find a trade for him - before the option of delisting/payout
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Blair Hartley said we'll be using 4 draft picks.
Gus going has solved this.
6 Out: Moore, Connors, Webberley, Browne, MacDonald, Graham
2 In: Knights, Chaplin
We now have the needed four spots on our senior list freed up.
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Best thing you ever done Angus.
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I would not lose sleep if we rookie browne
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know gus is gone but really want us to cut one more and utilise pick 68 at least.. think there are some real decent mature players this draft worth taking in the nd.
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If we trade or try psd for a ruckman then Derrickx goes
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know gus is gone but really want us to cut one more and utilise pick 68 at least.. think there are some real decent mature players this draft worth taking in the nd.
Craw, which one would you take?
I'm not in the know about these mature players, do you mean players delisted from other clubs? Or mature players from vfl and state leagues?
Cheers
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I would not lose sleep if we rookie browne
I think the club was planning this all along regardless of whether Angus was going to get traded or not. IMHO Browne adds more. Note Dreamtime 2011 has Gus ever played a game like that. :shh
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Still hoping 1 or 2 others will be traded next week. If not may see one more delisting..
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I would not lose sleep if we rookie browne
I think the club was planning this all along regardless of whether Angus was going to get traded or not. IMHO Browne adds more. Note Dreamtime 2011 has Gus ever played a game like that. :shh
Dreamtime 2011 I actually thought we had a ruckman and have been hoping to see him build on that. Unfortunately he only went downwards but has time on his side and IMO would be a better option than most of the rookie prospects from state level.
Andrew is a few years younger than Gus and is more combative.
I would certainly give him another year over Gus. Essentially no harm.
If he fails we lose nothing and we move on. If he succeeds great. :thumbsup
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I would not lose sleep if we rookie browne
I think the club was planning this all along regardless of whether Angus was going to get traded or not. IMHO Browne adds more. Note Dreamtime 2011 has Gus ever played a game like that. :shh
Browne was dropped like two weeks later :lol
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I would not lose sleep if we rookie browne
I think the club was planning this all along regardless of whether Angus was going to get traded or not. IMHO Browne adds more. Note Dreamtime 2011 has Gus ever played a game like that. :shh
Dreamtime 2011 I actually thought we had a ruckman and have been hoping to see him build on that. Unfortunately he only went downwards but has time on his side and IMO would be a better option than most of the rookie prospects from state level.
Andrew is a few years younger than Gus and is more combative.
I would certainly give him another year over Gus. Essentially no harm.
If he fails we lose nothing and we move on. If he succeeds great. :thumbsup
Yeah, though despite his instructions being "just handball" :lol
I would not lose sleep if we rookie browne
I think the club was planning this all along regardless of whether Angus was going to get traded or not. IMHO Browne adds more. Note Dreamtime 2011 has Gus ever played a game like that. :shh
Browne was dropped like two weeks later :lol
Wasn't that the start of about a 7 game block for Browne? Unless I'm thinking about someone else.
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Just got off my bum and looked it up ;D, did play a few half decent games in 2011
http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/pg-richmond-tigers--andrew-browne-1?year=2011
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Gus came back in after a while. Let's move on from Goose and Browney. pee Derrickx off as well. may as well use Tuck in the ruck next year if Maric goes down
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Was hoping for more from Derickx :( But judging from his NAB cup games he just looks so unco when he has the ball and the rest of the time looks lost.
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I would not lose sleep if we rookie browne
I think the club was planning this all along regardless of whether Angus was going to get traded or not. IMHO Browne adds more. Note Dreamtime 2011 has Gus ever played a game like that. :shh
Browne was dropped like two weeks later :lol
No he wasn't we had a bye in rd 11 2011 that's why he didn't play lol.
Got dropped for the Essendon game in round 16. ;)
Check the stats.
http://stats.rleague.com/afl/seas/season_idx.html
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Wow must have been in hot form. LMFAO lets bring him back via the rookie list :lol
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Wow must have been in hot form. LMFAO lets bring him back via the rookie list :lol
Agree Coach. I think there is still some upside to BrownE - he has shown glimpses that might be worth persevering with, especially if he's only on the rookie list. If you apply the same criteria to BrownE that you applied to Graham then a rookie list spot is relevant surely?
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Daniel Currie is our man.....watch this space.
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Is Orren Stephensen worth a look? A one year so so player?
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Is Orren Stephensen worth a look? A one year so so player?
No, he hardly set the world on fire for the cats and isn't he like 30 something?
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Wow must have been in hot form. LMFAO lets bring him back via the rookie list :lol
Agree Coach. I think there is still some upside to BrownE - he has shown glimpses that might be worth persevering with, especially if he's only on the rookie list. If you apply the same criteria to BrownE that you applied to Graham then a rookie list spot is relevant surely?
No. If he is worth anything then another club will pick him up. Graham & Browne are completely different. One was a kid who became a #1 ruck at a young age and the other struggled to break in (nothing against young Andy).A premiership contender has picked up Graham on a two year deal for 400k a season so he might just have ability. Although those with vendettas will never admit it. ;D
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;D
Crystal balls at 80 paces! :thumbsup
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One was a kid who became a #1 ruck at a young age
For a club with no other ruckman, although people rooting for him won't admit it
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One was a kid who became a #1 ruck at a young age
For a club with no other ruckman, although people rooting for him won't admit it
There was 200 game veteran Troy Simmonds. And Browne was here ;D which slaps your point for 6 considering it was a comparison between the two
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Wow must have been in hot form. LMFAO lets bring him back via the rookie list :lol
Agree Coach. I think there is still some upside to BrownE - he has shown glimpses that might be worth persevering with, especially if he's only on the rookie list. If you apply the same criteria to BrownE that you applied to Graham then a rookie list spot is relevant surely?
No. If he is worth anything then another club will pick him up. Graham & Browne are completely different. One was a kid who became a #1 ruck at a young age and the other struggled to break in (nothing against young Andy).A premiership contender has picked up Graham on a two year deal for 400k a season so he might just have ability. Although those with vendettas will never admit it. ;D
Couldn't you find a bigger sig pic?
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One was a kid who became a #1 ruck at a young age
For a club with no other ruckman, although people rooting for him won't admit it
There was 200 game veteran Troy Simmonds. And Browne was here ;D which slaps your point for 6 considering it was a comparison between the two
Became #1 when Simmonds retired
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One was a kid who became a #1 ruck at a young age
For a club with no other ruckman, although people rooting for him won't admit it
There was 200 game veteran Troy Simmonds. And Browne was here ;D which slaps your point for 6 considering it was a comparison between the two
Became #1 when Simmonds retired
:lol Simmo retired because Gus became #1
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One was a kid who became a #1 ruck at a young age
For a club with no other ruckman, although people rooting for him won't admit it
There was 200 game veteran Troy Simmonds. And Browne was here ;D which slaps your point for 6 considering it was a comparison between the two
Became #1 when Simmonds retired
:lol Simmo retired because Gus became #1
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simmo retired because the AFL wouldn't allow him to play in a wheelchair
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Mr May :-*
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Mr May :-*
:lol
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:laugh: :lol :rollin :bow :clapping 8) ;D :laugh: :P :thumbsup
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:laugh: :lol :rollin :bow :clapping 8) ;D :laugh: :P :thumbsup
8)
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so to date our delistings/retirements/traded out is.
moore (r) = f/a chaplin kpd
connors = f/a knights for/mid
webberley = pick 9 stringer mid/ kp for, vlastuin mid, mccrae mid, orourke mid, wines mid,
macdonald = pick 32 lowrie mid. towers mid, simpson mid.
graham (t) = pick 34 haynes mid/for, pongracic mid or one of the above if still there.
browne = pick 43 rodda kpd. kent mid.
white = pick 50 duffy, warrell sml/med forwards mids.
newman to vets 74 = jack hannath ruckman.
thing is if we had pick 25 one of the following would likely be available. tanner smith kpd, mason shaw kpf, liam mcbean ruckman. plus two or three mids we could rreally target a need with this pick im praying we have something up our sleeve to gain this pick it would be handy.
rookies
miller (r) = symonds ruckman
maric = kyle martin mid
turner = hartigan kpd
heslin = james boyd mid
wright. sam dwyer
all mature players who deserve a crack at afl imo.
simon
darrou
verrier.
is anyone else hoping we offload one more and maybe put newman on the vet list proper.
i am really hopeful we can get a pick around 50. would dearly love one around 25 but 50 would do. would not hesitate to chop matt white he is a nothing player taking up the spot of a kid literally. he doesnt even make for good list balance.
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is anyone else hoping we offload one more
I sure am. Hoping Post or Jackson find a new home.
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hoping someone throws mcguane a freaking bone
preferably carlton
LOLOLOLOL
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If Aaron Edwards is traded for a draft pick today then we're back to having just 3 free spots on our senior list. So if we want 4 draft picks then either someone else still out of contract has to go (McGuane/Post/White/Derickx still unsigned) or Newy will have to be placed as a vet outside the senior list.
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Do you think they will trade Post to North for Edwards?
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Do you think they will trade Post to North for Edwards?
Hope not, Post is a young KPP who has not fully developed. He could be vaulable in the right environment
Should trade our latest pick or grab him once delisted- stuff north melbourne
Edited: for avoiding swear filter
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Do you think they will trade Post to North for Edwards?
Hope not, Post is a young KPP who has not fully developed. He could be vaulable in the right environment
Should trade our latest pick or grab him once delisted- stuff north melbourne
Edited: for avoiding swear filter
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Do you think they will trade Post to North for Edwards?
We should let them delist him instead. They can't be asking for a player for someone they wanted to delist
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Norf werent going to delist Edwards 8)
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Down to 3 free senior spots and thus 3 draft picks. Hartley said we'll be using 4 so something else has to happen.
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Down to 3 free senior spots and thus 3 draft picks. Hartley said we'll be using 4 so something else has to happen.
I remember him saying that. Unless the Edwards trade wasn't planned. The past two seasons we elevated Miller. Maybe when Edwards became available they used their 1-1000 score system to compare the value of Edwards + who ever gets the pre-season elevation against who we could draft at 43.
Wasn't White given permission to explore free agency?
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Down to 3 free senior spots and thus 3 draft picks. Hartley said we'll be using 4 so something else has to happen.
I remember him saying that. Unless the Edwards trade wasn't planned. The past two seasons we elevated Miller. Maybe when Edwards became available they used their 1-1000 score system to compare the value of Edwards + who ever gets the pre-season elevation against who we could draft at 43.
Wasn't White given permission to explore free agency?
Clearly no other club wanted him if he was.
You may be right about the 1-1000 score system for pick 43. Perhaps we consider the trade overall a swap of Edwards for Gus lol. I don't rate Edwards but he's a list upgrade on Gus for sure.
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Out of contract Post remains a Tiger along with McGuane, White and Derickx. Unless of course we delist any of them.
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Out of contract Post remains a Tiger along with McGuane, White and Derickx. Unless of course we delist any of them.
They want 4 picks in the draft, so either Newman to be vet outside senior list or one of these blokes get the boot.
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Out of contract Post remains a Tiger along with McGuane, White and Derickx. Unless of course we delist any of them.
They want 4 picks in the draft, so either Newman to be vet outside senior list or one of these blokes get the boot.
And how many times do we need to be told this.
:lol
until people start to stuffing understand :banghead
;D
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I'm getting sick and tired of hearing the same story regurgitated....
Im a man of principles.....and a man who doesn't have a lot of time......nurture me FFS :banghead
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7 Out: Moore, Connors, Webberley, Browne, MacDonald, Graham, Post
3 In: Knights, Chaplin, Edwards
We now have the needed four spots on our senior list freed up which means we can use those 4 draft picks - 9, 32, 34, 43.
Add delisted rookies A.Maric, Miller, Turner and Wright and we've moved on 11 players in total.
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7 Out: Moore, Connors, Webberley, Browne, MacDonald, Graham, Post
3 In: Knights, Chaplin, Edwards
We now have the needed four spots on our senior list freed up which means we can use those 4 draft picks - 9, 32, 34, 43.
Add delisted rookies A.Maric, Miller, Turner and Wright and we've moved on 11 players in total.
ya know with the 7 outs and the 4 rookies if you look real close we have lost nothing by them going. the only one with a decent upside imo was post a bit stiff me thinks.
miller well he served his purpose m,aric turner and wright we lost nothing. theres 11 that had to go the trouble is there are still others that need to go just like them.
still believe one more possibly two from the list proper was the way to go.
it would have allowed for 1 more nd pick on a mature player and allowed us to look strongly at a retread whos been recently cut. we continue to over rate too many of the players.
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7 Out: Moore, Connors, Webberley, Browne, MacDonald, Graham, Post
3 In: Knights, Chaplin, Edwards
We now have the needed four spots on our senior list freed up which means we can use those 4 draft picks - 9, 32, 34, 43.
Add delisted rookies A.Maric, Miller, Turner and Wright and we've moved on 11 players in total.
ya know with the 7 outs and the 4 rookies if you look real close we have lost nothing by them going. the only one with a decent upside imo was post a bit stiff me thinks.
miller well he served his purpose m,aric turner and wright we lost nothing. theres 11 that had to go the trouble is there are still others that need to go just like them.
still believe one more possibly two from the list proper was the way to go.
it would have allowed for 1 more nd pick on a mature player and allowed us to look strongly at a retread whos been recently cut. we continue to over rate too many of the players.
11 cuts from 44 is about a 25% cull. I don't think it's an issue of over rating - just playing the best game with cars dealt.
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Got this in the mail this morning.... ;D
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Got this in the mail this morning.... ;D
(http://i45.tinypic.com/2a4y71z.jpg)
:lol :clapping