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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on December 14, 2012, 05:02:32 AM
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Champion Data has rated our list as 10th best.
HOW YOUR CLUB RATES
HAWTHORN Defenders 2nd Midfield / Rucks 9th Forwards 1st LIST QUALITY 1st
WEST COAST Defenders 4th Midfield / Rucks 7th Forwards 4th LIST QUALITY 2nd
SYDNEY Defenders 3rd Midfield / Rucks 2nd Forwards 11th LIST QUALITY 3rd
FREMANTLE Defenders 10th Midfield / Rucks 5th Forwards 3rd LIST QUALITY 4th
COLLINGWOOD Defenders 5th Midfield / Rucks 1st Forwards 14th LIST QUALITY 5th
ADELAIDE Defenders 6th Midfield / Rucks 4th Forwards 7th LIST QUALITY 6th
GEELONG Defenders 1st Midfield / Rucks 8th Forwards 12th LIST QUALITY 7th
ESSENDON Defenders 7th Midfield / Rucks 10th Forwards 5th LIST QUALITY 8th
CARLTON Defenders 14th Midfield / Rucks 3rd Forwards 2nd LIST QUALITY 9th
RICHMOND Defenders 13th Midfield / Rucks 6th Forwards 6th LIST QUALITY 10th
NORTH MELBOURNE Defenders 11th Midfield / Rucks 11th Forwards 9th LIST QUALITY 11th
ST KILDA Defenders 8th Midfield / Rucks 13th Forwards 13th LIST QUALITY 12th
MELBOURNE Defenders 12th Midfield / Rucks 16th Forwards 8th LIST QUALITY 13th
BRISBANE Defenders 9th Midfield / Rucks 14th Forwards 15th LIST QUALITY 14th
WESTERN BULLDOGS Defenders 17th Midfield / Rucks 15th Forwards 10th LIST QUALITY 15th
GOLD COAST Defenders 15th Midfield / Rucks 17th Forwards 16th LIST QUALITY 16th
PORT ADELAIDE Defenders 18th Midfield / Rucks 12th Forwards 17th LIST QUALITY 17th
GREATER WESTERN SYDNEY Defenders 16th Midfield / Rucks 18th Forwards 18th LIST QUALITY 18th
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Champion Data says Alastair Clarkson will coach the most talented list in 2013 as the Hawks seek redemption for last season's heartbreak at the hands of Sydney.
The 2013 AFL Prospectus - the ultimate number-cruncher for football fanatics - has laid bare the quality of each club's playing roster.
Using Champion Data rankings points as a base, for the first time players who played at least five games in the last two years have been given a value.
The top ranked player in each position is rated at 100 points and the bottom rated at zero points, with every other player assessed relative to those in the same position and scaled to fit in-between.
Gold Coast's Gary Ablett, for example, is the top-ranked midfielder and judged to be worth 100 points. The fact the next best onballer, Collingwood's Scott Pendlebury, is back on 92 points highlights how far ahead Ablett is.
Hawthorn's galaxy of stars has given it an average player rating of 56.34 - ranked No.1 in the AFL. The Hawks have star power on every line and have taken their vulnerable defence to a No.2 ranking by acquiring Brian Lake.
But the sleeping giant may well be West Coast, who rank second on the quality index at 54.98. The Eagles bat deep, with 17 players ranking in the top 35 per cent of their positions - two more than any other club.
Premier Sydney sit third with an equal league-low 28 players fitting the five-game criteria in the last two years, highlighting its injury management or good luck.
Incredibly, the Swans have only five players - Jude Bolton, Jarrad McVeigh, Andrejs Everitt, Gary Rohan and Lewis Jetta - who were taken in the top 20 of a national draft when originally brought into the AFL system.
They have killed the bottom-out theory up.
Fremantle are a surprise fourth, driven by a much-improved midfield and a forward line ranked third in the competition despite a lack of key position power.
Collingwood sit fifth, but look ominous. The battle-hardened Pies are now the No.1 list for experience, while remaining only the fifth oldest.
The Magpies boast the best midfield in the AFL with Pendlebury and Dane Swan, but there are questions over their forward line, which ranks just 14th.
Carlton is ninth on the quality ladder and while its midfield strength is no secret (ranked third), its forward line was surprisingly judged to be the second-best in the league.
Jarrad Waite, Eddie Betts and Jeff Garlett boost the Blues' rating, but with Waite often injured and without a legitimate back-up, lack of depth may become an issue.
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I'm surprised our forwards are ranked that high and defence that low but overall rating is about right
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Where we will improve dramatically this year is in defence with the addition of a fit Grimes and Chappy. Therefore, sixth would be closer to our actual position in 2013 ... .. at least I hope it is.
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This is a good indicator of where we need to be.
Not far off actually(the Data I mean).
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If we can improve 1 we will be ninth......again
I think we are better than that BUT it is an honest appraisal without any fluff to try to unashamedly sell more copies of the Herald Sun in the first few weeks of the season by pumping up Richmonds chances
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How the hell do carlton have the 2nd ranked Fwd line?Surely taking the pee. :huh
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Stopped reading at Essendon 8th
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Just shows how stats can be misleading if you present them a certain way.
Melbourne, a side that leaked goals more than every side bar GWS and Suns are rated 12th for Defenders - ahead of us and Carlton - even though they had 398 more points than us and 416 more than Carlton, kicked against them for the year.
And conversely Carlton, a side who finished 11th in total points scored for the year is rated 2nd for forwards, ahead of North (9th) who scored 280 more points and Adelaide (6th) who scored 349 more points than them for the year.
Heap of crap if you ask me.
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Agree with our man Smoke
Champion Data is the new Dungeons & Dragons
Rot
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This is a great help ranking players and teams....for Fantasy Competitions but we all know that statistics do not tell the full story. A player like Grimes who spoils all day but doesn't get as much possessions as a player like Houli would be ranked lower than him as a defender. Similarly defensive forwards are not rated.
Really you can't rank a team on individual efforts. It takes a variety of players all playing their role and all working for each other to make a strong team.
Good for Supercoach though! :)
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Agree with our man Smoke
Champion Data is the new Dungeons & Dragons
Rot
>:(
We'll settle that over a 2d20.
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Just shows how stats can be misleading if you present them a certain way.
Melbourne, a side that leaked goals more than every side bar GWS and Suns are rated 12th for Defenders - ahead of us and Carlton - even though they had 398 more points than us and 416 more than Carlton, kicked against them for the year.
And conversely Carlton, a side who finished 11th in total points scored for the year is rated 2nd for forwards, ahead of North (9th) who scored 280 more points and Adelaide (6th) who scored 349 more points than them for the year.
Heap of crap if you ask me.
:clapping :clapping
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What a bloody joke , defense 13th, try rance grimes chappy and morris for size, thats top 5 by most reckoning :shh
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What a bloody joke , defense 13th, try rance grimes chappy and morris for size, thats top 5 by most reckoning :shh
No it's not. Two of those players are average and the other two are good. Although Grimes is always injured.
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WGAF
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Agree with our man Smoke
Champion Data is the new Dungeons & Dragons
Rot
>:(
We'll settle that over a 2d20.
I attack the darkness
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Agree with our man Smoke
Champion Data is the new Dungeons & Dragons
Rot
>:(
We'll settle that over a 2d20.
I attack the darkness
:laugh: 8-bit D&D?
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Agree with our man Smoke
Champion Data is the new Dungeons & Dragons
Rot
>:(
We'll settle that over a 2d20.
I attack the darkness
:laugh: 8-bit D&D?
You know it.
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What a bloody joke , defense 13th, try rance grimes chappy and morris for size, thats top 5 by most reckoning :shh
No it's not. Two of those players are average and the other two are good. Although Grimes is always injured.
Thats opinion matey, i took into account performance and best and fairest finish, our defenders were amongst best 10 players in the side and with the inclusion of chappy who is a seasoned performer, the news just gets better :clapping
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What a bloody joke , defense 13th, try rance grimes chappy and morris for size, thats top 5 by most reckoning :shh
No it's not. Two of those players are average and the other two are good. Although Grimes is always injured.
Thats opinion matey, i took into account performance and best and fairest finish, our defenders were amongst best 10 players in the side and with the inclusion of chappy who is a seasoned performer, the news just gets better :clapping
WGAF about B&F results in bottom 8 sides? Milne finished 15th in St Kilda's B&F, does that mean he's an average forward? Next time Petrie sees Rance coming towards him I can tell you he might just rub one out on the spot. Chappy is a seasoned squib. Grimes & Morris are guns. I'm looking forward to seeing what Griffo can do as a defender because Chappy will never be a top line player. Rance is solid but he can't play on the best. Griffo might be able to.
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What a bloody joke , defense 13th, try rance grimes chappy and morris for size, thats top 5 by most reckoning :shh
No it's not. Two of those players are average and the other two are good. Although Grimes is always injured.
Thats opinion matey, i took into account performance and best and fairest finish, our defenders were amongst best 10 players in the side and with the inclusion of chappy who is a seasoned performer, the news just gets better :clapping
WGAF about B&F results in bottom 8 sides? Milne finished 15th in St Kilda's B&F, does that mean he's an average forward? Next time Petrie sees Rance coming towards him I can tell you he might just rub one out on the spot. Chappy is a seasoned squib. Grimes & Morris are guns. I'm looking forward to seeing what Griffo can do as a defender because Chappy will never be a top line player. Rance is solid but he can't play on the best. Griffo might be able to.
Lol , rancer cant play on the best, he was in AA form for the best part of year until he ran out of steam, rewind the game on buddy and come back and talk :lol
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What a bloody joke , defense 13th, try rance grimes chappy and morris for size, thats top 5 by most reckoning :shh
No it's not. Two of those players are average and the other two are good. Although Grimes is always injured.
Thats opinion matey, i took into account performance and best and fairest finish, our defenders were amongst best 10 players in the side and with the inclusion of chappy who is a seasoned performer, the news just gets better :clapping
WGAF about B&F results in bottom 8 sides? Milne finished 15th in St Kilda's B&F, does that mean he's an average forward? Next time Petrie sees Rance coming towards him I can tell you he might just rub one out on the spot. Chappy is a seasoned squib. Grimes & Morris are guns. I'm looking forward to seeing what Griffo can do as a defender because Chappy will never be a top line player. Rance is solid but he can't play on the best. Griffo might be able to.
Lol , rancer cant play on the best, he was in AA form for the best part of year until he ran out of steam, rewind the game on buddy and come back and talk :lol
God you talk absolute rubbish. Franklin got 20 disposals in the wet. Rance was never near All Australian and never will be because he's not good enough. You think he should be talked about like Glass, Richards, Rutten, Lake etc? He's not in their class. Stop overrating our players. Rewind the 4th quarter against North Melbourne, guy.
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I got one for ya, name 12 sides and their 4 defenders better than
Rance, grimes chappy and morris
This will be good :lol
Ps it was that wet that day that jack bagged 7, taking screamer after screamer ::)
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Is Grimes available? I don't think we can rely on it at this stage.
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I got one for ya, name 12 sides and their 4 defenders better than
Rance, grimes chappy and morris
This will be good :lol
Ps it was that wet that day that jack bagged 7, taking screamer after screamer ::)
How about no? Name the quality defenders who are inferior to Troy Chaplin and Rance? Chaplin isn't a defender, he plays as a floater. Well he is a defender, just not a very good one. ;D You'd know this if you actually knew who he was before Richmond became interested :lol Good luck with your high expectations of him. I can't wait until the 2013 end of year reviews from you blokes. "Chappy just needs to be more consistent. He had some good games but also some poor ones, maybe a big pre-season will do the trick and he will come out firing in 2014". ;D
You are a fake supporter, BJ. You do not even have a membership. ;D
;D
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:clapping ;D
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I got one for ya, name 12 sides and their 4 defenders better than
Rance, grimes chappy and morris
This will be good :lol
Ps it was that wet that day that jack bagged 7, taking screamer after screamer ::)
How about no? Name the quality defenders who are inferior to Troy Chaplin and Rance? Chaplin isn't a defender, he plays as a floater. Well he is a defender, just not a very good one. ;D You'd know this if you actually knew who he was before Richmond became interested :lol Good luck with your high expectations of him. I can't wait until the 2013 end of year reviews from you blokes. "Chappy just needs to be more consistent. He had some good games but also some poor ones, maybe a big pre-season will do the trick and he will come out firing in 2014". ;D
You are a fake supporter, BJ. You do not even have a membership. ;D
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yeah only for 31 years now :shh, let me tell you something partner, now listen and listen good, the reason we failed to make finals this year had stuff all to do with our defence, with an overwhelming number of I50 ea week we simply couldnt kick goals. Id have less of a case if our forward line was ranked 13th. Now come nice and close so no -one else can hear....I wouldnt swap Rance Grimes chappy or morris for the best 4 defenders from hawthorn or swans, you hear, so stick that in your pipe and smoke it :lol
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I got one for ya, name 12 sides and their 4 defenders better than
Rance, grimes chappy and morris
This will be good :lol
Ps it was that wet that day that jack bagged 7, taking screamer after screamer ::)
How about no? Name the quality defenders who are inferior to Troy Chaplin and Rance? Chaplin isn't a defender, he plays as a floater. Well he is a defender, just not a very good one. ;D You'd know this if you actually knew who he was before Richmond became interested :lol Good luck with your high expectations of him. I can't wait until the 2013 end of year reviews from you blokes. "Chappy just needs to be more consistent. He had some good games but also some poor ones, maybe a big pre-season will do the trick and he will come out firing in 2014". ;D
You are a fake supporter, BJ. You do not even have a membership. ;D
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yeah only for 31 years now :shh, let me tell you something partner, now listen and listen good, the reason we failed to make finals this year had stuff all to do with our defence, with an overwhelming number of I50 ea week we simply couldnt kick goals. Id have less of a case if our forward line was ranked 13th. Now come nice and close so no -one else can hear....I wouldnt swap Rance Grimes chappy or morris for the best 4 defenders from hawthorn or swans, you hear, so stick that in your pipe and smoke it :lol
No, mail is you're a troll. Anyway I will play along
Who said our backline is the reason we missed out on finals? I happen to think we have a much improved back half that is quite solid now. You said we have a top 5 backline. We don't. We have a top 5 midfield, a decent backline and 1 very good forward. Your last comment is so ridiculous it should not even be acknowledged.
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Ted Richards was a stuffing donkey for 80% of his career and poo truck rutten is adelaides version of chappy LMFAO
Rancer regularly beats the best in the bizz and he'll become more solid as he matures
Geez you talk some ass coach
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Ted Richards was a stuffing donkey for 80% of his career and poo truck rutten is adelaides version of chappy LMFAO
Rancer regularly beats the best in the bizz and he'll become more solid as he matures
Geez you talk some ass coach
Poor WUM is gerks. Teddy Richards been fantastic since he went to Sydney.
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"Rancer" stuff me dead :lol
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No he was poo at Sydney for his first few, guy
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No he was poo at Sydney for his first few, guy
No he was actually a champ and always has been, guy.
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Unreal
About as factual as Rancer being AA
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Unreal
About as factual as Rancer being AA
Not many duds KPD's get games in granny's. But there is big Schoenmakers...is he the gun Jack kicked 6 on
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Unreal
About as factual as Rancer being AA
AA at Lowes
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Teddy is a gun now, was a gimp for years guy
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Teddy is a gun now, was a gimp for years guy
That's where you're wrong. He was never a gimp. He was inconsistent at Essendon but has become one of the games finest defenders at Sydney.
Guy
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Oh he was a gimp alright
Gimped it up with the best gimps
Pappa Gimp :cheers
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The Gimps ;D
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I got one for ya, name 12 sides and their 4 defenders better than
Rance, grimes chappy and morris
This will be good :lol
Ps it was that wet that day that jack bagged 7, taking screamer after screamer ::)
How about no? Name the quality defenders who are inferior to Troy Chaplin and Rance? Chaplin isn't a defender, he plays as a floater. Well he is a defender, just not a very good one. ;D You'd know this if you actually knew who he was before Richmond became interested :lol Good luck with your high expectations of him. I can't wait until the 2013 end of year reviews from you blokes. "Chappy just needs to be more consistent. He had some good games but also some poor ones, maybe a big pre-season will do the trick and he will come out firing in 2014". ;D
You are a fake supporter, BJ. You do not even have a membership. ;D
;D
yeah only for 31 years now :shh, let me tell you something partner, now listen and listen good, the reason we failed to make finals this year had stuff all to do with our defence, with an overwhelming number of I50 ea week we simply couldnt kick goals. Id have less of a case if our forward line was ranked 13th. Now come nice and close so no -one else can hear....I wouldnt swap Rance Grimes chappy or morris for the best 4 defenders from hawthorn or swans, you hear, so stick that in your pipe and smoke it :lol
No, mail is you're a troll. Anyway I will play along
Who said our backline is the reason we missed out on finals? I happen to think we have a much improved back half that is quite solid now. You said we have a top 5 backline. We don't. We have a top 5 midfield, a decent backline and 1 very good forward. Your last comment is so ridiculous it should not even be acknowledged.
Well your mail is about as misguided as your comments , i know a couple of posters on here personally, tony motana , cub. Who could account for my accreditation. Once you graduate from being more than a keyboard peeant you may develop a greater insight into what this games all about.
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Teddy is a gun now, was a gimp for years guy
That's where you're wrong. He was never a gimp. He was inconsistent at Essendon but has become one of the games finest defenders at Sydney.
Guy
:lol...yeah right, how did he go against the tiges..he was lamentable at ESS on every measure, although he had a good haircut,if thats what you were referring to
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The dead give away that champion data's stats don't give accurate results is it rates Pendlbury second best midfielder to Ablett. While I rate Pendlbury in the top 5 he is definatly not second best.
It just goes to show just because you compile stats it doedn't mean they reflect reality.
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hmm exactly why stats should be taken with a grain of salt.
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you seem happy enough to use them when it suits your argument
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I got one for ya, name 12 sides and their 4 defenders better than
Rance, grimes chappy and morris
This will be good :lol
Ps it was that wet that day that jack bagged 7, taking screamer after screamer ::)
How about no? Name the quality defenders who are inferior to Troy Chaplin and Rance? Chaplin isn't a defender, he plays as a floater. Well he is a defender, just not a very good one. ;D You'd know this if you actually knew who he was before Richmond became interested :lol Good luck with your high expectations of him. I can't wait until the 2013 end of year reviews from you blokes. "Chappy just needs to be more consistent. He had some good games but also some poor ones, maybe a big pre-season will do the trick and he will come out firing in 2014". ;D
You are a fake supporter, BJ. You do not even have a membership. ;D
;D
yeah only for 31 years now :shh, let me tell you something partner, now listen and listen good, the reason we failed to make finals this year had stuff all to do with our defence, with an overwhelming number of I50 ea week we simply couldnt kick goals. Id have less of a case if our forward line was ranked 13th. Now come nice and close so no -one else can hear....I wouldnt swap Rance Grimes chappy or morris for the best 4 defenders from hawthorn or swans, you hear, so stick that in your pipe and smoke it :lol
No, mail is you're a troll. Anyway I will play along
Who said our backline is the reason we missed out on finals? I happen to think we have a much improved back half that is quite solid now. You said we have a top 5 backline. We don't. We have a top 5 midfield, a decent backline and 1 very good forward. Your last comment is so ridiculous it should not even be acknowledged.
Well your mail is about as misguided as your comments , i know a couple of posters on here personally, tony motana , cub. Who could account for my accreditation. Once you graduate from being more than a keyboard peeant you may develop a greater insight into what this games all about.
:fishing
That was a clear windup and you fell for it. I know you're a Tiges man, just a dumb one. You've got no idea and it's obvious to all who read your posts, BJ. I'm guessing I played at a higher level than all of you gimps who refuse to look at some of our players without rose coloured glasses. Hey BJ, you PM me the clubs you played for and provide proof and I will do the same. Running someone down on the internet is easy from behind your keyboard, mate. At least I crossed the whiteline at a decent level
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Teddy is a gun now, was a gimp for years guy
That's where you're wrong. He was never a gimp. He was inconsistent at Essendon but has become one of the games finest defenders at Sydney.
Guy
:lol...yeah right, how did he go against the tiges..he was lamentable at ESS on every measure, although he had a good haircut,if thats what you were referring to
He was BOG against us from memory and was All Australian this year. Was "Rancer"
Regards,
Keyboard peeant
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:lol
hey coach, how many times did you represent your state/territory?
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:lol
hey coach, how many times did you represent your state/territory?
Never did. ;D I was water boy for a side in King Island
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you need to play in a comp where the only selection criteria is if you can pay your own way, your in the team, then. ;)
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It helps to have family members at board level or on the coaching staff too.
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Well if it means anything at all, I played F grade amateurs and came top 10 in reserves best and fairest , best clubman award and was a committeeman for 7 years. I was a bloody ordinary footballer but loved being a part of it. Ooh yeah i did win B&f for school third xviii in 1986
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Well if it means anything at all, I played F grade amateurs and came top 10 in reserves best and fairest , best clubman award and was a committeeman for 7 years. I was a bloody ordinary footballer but loved being a part of it. Ooh yeah i did win B&f for school third xviii in 1986
No worries BJ :cheers I was just stirring ya before. You're a good bloke, I just don't agree with everything you write. ;D
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U underrate ARance
What a bloody joke , defense 13th, try rance grimes chappy and morris for size, thats top 5 by most reckoning :shh
No it's not. Two of those players are average and the other two are good. Although Grimes is always injured.
Thats opinion matey, i took into account performance and best and fairest finish, our defenders were amongst best 10 players in the side and with the inclusion of chappy who is a seasoned performer, the news just gets better :clapping
WGAF about B&F results in bottom 8 sides? Milne finished 15th in St Kilda's B&F, does that mean he's an average forward? Next time Petrie sees Rance coming towards him I can tell you he might just rub one out on the spot. Chappy is a seasoned squib. Grimes & Morris are guns. I'm looking forward to seeing what Griffo can do as a defender because Chappy will never be a top line player. Rance is solid but he can't play on the best. Griffo might be able to.
Lol , rancer cant play on the best, he was in AA form for the best part of year until he ran out of steam, rewind the game on buddy and come back and talk :lol
God you talk absolute rubbish. Franklin got 20 disposals in the wet. Rance was never near All Australian and never will be because he's not good enough. You think he should be talked about like Glass, Richards, Rutten, Lake etc? He's not in their class. Stop overrating our players. Rewind the 4th quarter against North Melbourne, guy.
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Rancer :cheers
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Rancer :cheers
"I'm you're Private Rancer, a Rancer for money,
I'll do what you want me to do.
I'm you're Private Rancer, a Rancer for money,
and any old Forward will do." ;D
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Rancer :cheers
"I'm you're Private Rancer, a Rancer for money,
I'll do what you want me to do.
I'm you're Private Rancer, a Rancer for money,
and any old Forward will do." ;D
oh hai, I drive Mistubishi Rancer <(^_^)>
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Well if it means anything at all, I played F grade amateurs and came top 10 in reserves best and fairest , best clubman award and was a committeeman for 7 years. I was a bloody ordinary footballer but loved being a part of it. Ooh yeah i did win B&f for school third xviii in 1986
No worries BJ :cheers I was just stirring ya before. You're a good bloke, I just don't agree with everything you write. ;D
no worries, youd be crazy if you did, im only a salesman, what would I bloody know :lol
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It helps to have family members at board level or on the coaching staff too.
Themselves fights words partner
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U underrate ARance
What a bloody joke , defense 13th, try rance grimes chappy and morris for size, thats top 5 by most reckoning :shh
No it's not. Two of those players are average and the other two are good. Although Grimes is always injured.
Thats opinion matey, i took into account performance and best and fairest finish, our defenders were amongst best 10 players in the side and with the inclusion of chappy who is a seasoned performer, the news just gets better :clapping
WGAF about B&F results in bottom 8 sides? Milne finished 15th in St Kilda's B&F, does that mean he's an average forward? Next time Petrie sees Rance coming towards him I can tell you he might just rub one out on the spot. Chappy is a seasoned squib. Grimes & Morris are guns. I'm looking forward to seeing what Griffo can do as a defender because Chappy will never be a top line player. Rance is solid but he can't play on the best. Griffo might be able to.
Lol , rancer cant play on the best, he was in AA form for the best part of year until he ran out of steam, rewind the game on buddy and come back and talk :lol
God you talk absolute rubbish. Franklin got 20 disposals in the wet. Rance was never near All Australian and never will be because he's not good enough. You think he should be talked about like Glass, Richards, Rutten, Lake etc? He's not in their class. Stop overrating our players. Rewind the 4th quarter against North Melbourne, guy.
Ive just referenced rancers 2012 form against glass, rutten, lake and richards. He had more disposals, more i50s more contested ball, more uncontested ball, more marks, more tackles. What crack are you on when you say he s not in their class :lol
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More important- I'd argue he is equal or more tough/brave than any of the above.
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U underrate ARance
What a bloody joke , defense 13th, try rance grimes chappy and morris for size, thats top 5 by most reckoning :shh
No it's not. Two of those players are average and the other two are good. Although Grimes is always injured.
Thats opinion matey, i took into account performance and best and fairest finish, our defenders were amongst best 10 players in the side and with the inclusion of chappy who is a seasoned performer, the news just gets better :clapping
WGAF about B&F results in bottom 8 sides? Milne finished 15th in St Kilda's B&F, does that mean he's an average forward? Next time Petrie sees Rance coming towards him I can tell you he might just rub one out on the spot. Chappy is a seasoned squib. Grimes & Morris are guns. I'm looking forward to seeing what Griffo can do as a defender because Chappy will never be a top line player. Rance is solid but he can't play on the best. Griffo might be able to.
Lol , rancer cant play on the best, he was in AA form for the best part of year until he ran out of steam, rewind the game on buddy and come back and talk :lol
God you talk absolute rubbish. Franklin got 20 disposals in the wet. Rance was never near All Australian and never will be because he's not good enough. You think he should be talked about like Glass, Richards, Rutten, Lake etc? He's not in their class. Stop overrating our players. Rewind the 4th quarter against North Melbourne, guy.
Ive just referenced rancers 2012 form against glass, rutten, lake and richards. He had more disposals, more i50s more contested ball, more uncontested ball, more marks, more tackles. What crack are you on when you say he s not in their class :lol
What does any of that have to do with stopping? Nothing. Rance will finish up as a 3rd tall.
You should compare "Rancers" B&F results and AA numbers against those 4 duds.
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wazzup "coach"? rance in your pants? :-*
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Hi "gerks". I just found out that Brodie Holland averaged more disposals, inside 50s & uncontested ball than Tony Lockett.
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Hi "gerks". I just found out that Brodie Holland averaged more disposals, inside 50s & uncontested ball than Tony Lockett.
Funny thing is rancer played FB like glass lake richards et al...your silly example is like comparing a draught horse to a thoroughbred ::)
Anymore pre christmas funnies :lol
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Look, guy, this was the question, guy: "What does any of that have to do with stopping? Nothing. Rance will finish up as a 3rd tall. You should compare "Rancers" B&F results and AA numbers against those 4 duds."
Reply to that, don't pick and choose what you want to talk about. This discussion started when you said we had a top 5 back half. I will also have you know that Ken McGregor won more uncontested ball than John Coleman.
You are aware that Rance had more goals kicked on him than nearly every other player in the competition?
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Source :thumbsup
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Only player to have more goals kicked on him was Davis from GWS (for obvious reasons). Look it up yourself if you don't believe me.
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"morning" coach
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Only player to have more goals kicked on him was Davis from GWS (for obvious reasons). Look it up yourself if you don't believe me.
What is the top10
Davis is a.fair player
Rfc / gws similar young list I'm not shocked
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"morning" coach
"Sorry" I forgot to call you last night, gerks.
Only player to have more goals kicked on him was Davis from GWS (for obvious reasons). Look it up yourself if you don't believe me.
What is the top10
Davis is a.fair player
Not sure of the top 10 but Alipate was in there ;D
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" ::)" "FFS"
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Have to agree, Rance is in their class ;)
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Needs to stop going to ground so easily during the contest if he wants to be elite. Very good first half of the year, fell away badly like the rest of the side after rnd 10 or so.
The reverse Coleman is a rubbish award btw, players like Scarlett and fletcher do well be they never take the number 1 fwd. also like to see the correlation between how many goals were kicked on each defender vs how many times the ball was directed to their direct opponents inside 50.
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Needs to stop going to ground so easily during the contest if he wants to be elite. Very good first half of the year, fell away badly like the rest of the side after rnd 10 or so.
The reverse Coleman is a rubbish award btw, players like Scarlett and fletcher do well be they never take the number 1 fwd. also like to see the correlation between how many goals were kicked on each defender vs how many times the ball was directed to their direct opponents inside 50.
And how many minuets played. Rance has missed not much football with injury.
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I was at Subway the other day and the girl asked what sauce I wanted and I said Rance :chuck
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I was at Subway the other day and the girl asked what sauce I wanted and I said Rance :chuck
that was the wrong rancer dwaino :help
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I was at Subway the other day and the girl asked what sauce I wanted and I said Rance :chuck
favorite Band dwaino?? ;D
(http://i46.tinypic.com/18nhn6.jpg)
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I was at Subway the other day and the girl asked what sauce I wanted and I said Rance :chuck
favorite Band dwaino?? ;D
(http://i46.tinypic.com/18nhn6.jpg)
I was thinking of something a little more high brow
(http://www.siennacoffee.com.au/images/products/ranciliosilvia2009.jpg)
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Only player to have more goals kicked on him was Davis from GWS (for obvious reasons). Look it up yourself if you don't believe me.
you have a real knack of putting a pretty ordinary case togehter coach, say, dont become a defence lawyer :lol...so if Im compapring two FB and one has
More disposals
More marks
More i50's
More contested possies
More uncontested possies
& more tackles
how could you possibly conclude he is an inferior player,
what are you guaging, shoe size :whistle
gimmee a break, there should be a jokes forum elsewhere :lol
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coach will cross the street to tell people his stats :shh
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coach will cross the street to tell people his stats :shh
Matt Dea stopped Coach in the street to ask him about those stats :shh
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coach will cross the street to tell people his stats :shh
ive just got the popcorn and coke ready, waiting for coach to convince me matt whites a better player than gary ablett coz he has more knock ons or some other imaginary stat that cant be verified :lol...you guys are a laugh a minute
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Which is why I'm a big jolly Rancer fan :-*
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im with coach the one area he should be excellent at hes poo. constantly misjudges the ball in the air. constantly falls over. constantly forced out of position by stronger opponents.
id take a bloke like glass everyday of the week in fact if rance showed just a few of glasses traits in the most important area of being a f/b id defend him. shocking f/b.
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Pretty sure most would take an AA premiership full back over a 22 yr old :lol
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France is 8 yrs younger
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France is 8 yrs younger
Bloody hell mate, how old is Glass then?!
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Only player to have more goals kicked on him was Davis from GWS (for obvious reasons). Look it up yourself if you don't believe me.
you have a real knack of putting a pretty ordinary case togehter coach, say, dont become a defence lawyer :lol...so if Im compapring two FB and one has
More disposals
More marks
More i50's
More contested possies
More uncontested possies
& more tackles
how could you possibly conclude he is an inferior player,
what are you guaging, shoe size :whistle
gimmee a break, there should be a jokes forum elsewhere :lol
Then why isn't Rance the best player in the competition? If he is as good as those players I mentioned + he has fantastic stats and all that other rubbish, why is he not the greatest player in history? You keep forgetting one thing....HE'S A BLOODY DEFENDER. LMFAO @ saying Rance is better than other full backs because he average more inside 50's :lol The purpose of a key defender is to shut down an opposition forward. Sorry, but Rance couldn't beat my dead nan in the air let alone the best forwards in the comp. Glass, Lake, Taylor, Richards, Rutten, Gibson etc all do a much better job. To suggest otherwise is madness
I'm not even against Rance. He's improved and is solid. But stuff me, to suggest he is as good or better than blokes like Lake & Glass is insane
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Rance is 22 and you say he's 8 years younger than Glass. Then you come back and say Glass is 32
I am dealing with some stuffing unreal characters in this thread
coach will cross the street to tell people his stats :shh
ive just got the popcorn and coke ready, waiting for coach to convince me matt whites a better player than gary ablett coz he has more knock ons or some other imaginary stat that cant be verified :lol...you guys are a laugh a minute
Matt White has more inside 50's than Steve Morris. I have now come to the conclusion that Matt White = better defender than Steve Morris. You are gimping in this thread, BJ. Biggest gimp around. ;D
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ARance 23 y 2 m
Glass 31 7 m
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Rance is 22 and you say he's 8 years younger than Glass. Then you come back and say Glass is 32
I am dealing with some stuffing unreal characters in this thread
He said France, not Rance. :banghead
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More important- I'd argue he is equal or more tough/brave than any of the above.
give the man a cigar :clapping
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im with coach the one area he should be excellent at hes poo. constantly misjudges the ball in the air. constantly falls over. constantly forced out of position by stronger opponents.
id take a bloke like glass everyday of the week in fact if rance showed just a few of glasses traits in the most important area of being a f/b id defend him. shocking f/b.
Perhaps if you saw him play more than once a year, you may be a little more objective :lol
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Only player to have more goals kicked on him was Davis from GWS (for obvious reasons). Look it up yourself if you don't believe me.
you have a real knack of putting a pretty ordinary case togehter coach, say, dont become a defence lawyer :lol...so if Im compapring two FB and one has
More disposals
More marks
More i50's
More contested possies
More uncontested possies
& more tackles
how could you possibly conclude he is an inferior player,
what are you guaging, shoe size :whistle
gimmee a break, there should be a jokes forum elsewhere :lol
Then why isn't Rance the best player in the competition? If he is as good as those players I mentioned + he has fantastic stats and all that other rubbish, why is he not the greatest player in history? You keep forgetting one thing....HE'S A BLOODY DEFENDER. LMFAO @ saying Rance is better than other full backs because he average more inside 50's :lol The purpose of a key defender is to shut down an opposition forward. Sorry, but Rance couldn't beat my dead nan in the air let alone the best forwards in the comp. Glass, Lake, Taylor, Richards, Rutten, Gibson etc all do a much better job. To suggest otherwise is madness
I'm not even against Rance. He's improved and is solid. But stuff me, to suggest he is as good or better than blokes like Lake & Glass is insane
Listen i dont want to lampoon you, who am i to judge your limitations, Funny how you cant keep the argument to a FB v FB ..obviously because it doesnt suit your BS story :lol. I'll give you one to think about, when the FB gets the pill 20 times a game and thrusts I50" it means the FF aint got it. Hey yeah, i didnt fink of dat. :shh
Pm if you like and i'll do what i can with some basic IQ building blocks, only too happy to help
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Banging my head against a wall here. There's no need to dish out insults here. It reflects very poorly on you mate.
Do you want your full back to have the ball in his hands (even though he is an average disposer of the football and poor decision maker) or do you want his best quality to be shutting down a gun forward? If it's the former then fair play to you, we just have different qualities we like in a KPD. It would appear All Australian selectors do too. Personally I would take a bloke like Presti over a bloke who might get 15 touches a game but still gets beaten badly by quality forwards.
Answer me this and don't ignore it; Is Rance a better DEFENDER than Ted Richards, Brian Lake, Darren Glass, Ben Rutten, Daniel Merrett etc? Don't tell me he average more inside 50's than those guys. If he plays on Drew Petrie, does he do a better job than those players I mentioned? Can those other guys keep Jay Schulz to under 13 marks and 4 goals? Because Rance can't. I'm not even bagging the bloke, he is a decent defender who has had to punch above his weight. You (as usual) are overrating our players and putting ridiculous expectations on them.
Regards,
Coach
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Banging my head against a wall here. There's no need to dish out insults here. It reflects very poorly on you mate.
Regards,
Coach
very funny :lol
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Banging my head against a wall here. There's no need to dish out insults here. It reflects very poorly on you mate.
Regards,
Coach
very funny :lol
V*
Have anything to contribute to the football discussion?
:cheers
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Banging my head against a wall here. There's no need to dish out insults here. It reflects very poorly on you mate.
Regards,
Coach
very funny :lol
Still relying on other people's content in order to justify your pointless existence on this forum 65? ::) Damn I hope the Mayan's are right and we won't have to put up with your side car comments for too much longer. Only two more sleeps folks. :pray
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I'm counting down the seconds
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Banging my head against a wall here. There's no need to dish out insults here. It reflects very poorly on you mate.
Regards,
Coach
very funny :lol
Still relying on other people's content in order to justify your pointless existence on this forum 65? ::) Damn I hope the Mayan's are right and we won't have to put up with your side car comments for too much longer. Only two more sleeps folks. :pray
Don't get your hopes up :rollin
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Banging my head against a wall here. There's no need to dish out insults here. It reflects very poorly on you mate.
Regards,
Coach
very funny :lol
Still relying on other people's content in order to justify your pointless existence on this forum 65? ::) Damn I hope the Mayan's are right and we won't have to put up with your side car comments for too much longer. Only two more sleeps folks. :pray
Inb4 :sleep
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Rance is 22 and you say he's 8 years younger than Glass. Then you come back and say Glass is 32
I am dealing with some stuffing unreal characters in this thread
coach will cross the street to tell people his stats :shh
ive just got the popcorn and coke ready, waiting for coach to convince me matt whites a better player than gary ablett coz he has more knock ons or some other imaginary stat that cant be verified :lol...you guys are a laugh a minute
Matt White has more inside 50's than Steve Morris. I have now come to the conclusion that Matt White = better defender than Steve Morris. You are gimping in this thread, BJ. Biggest gimp around. ;D
what where you saying about insulting people, you are about as ernest as Julia Gillard, stand tall my friend and keep the BS aside and spare me from having to filter your posts :lol
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im with coach the one area he should be excellent at hes poo. constantly misjudges the ball in the air. constantly falls over. constantly forced out of position by stronger opponents.
id take a bloke like glass everyday of the week in fact if rance showed just a few of glasses traits in the most important area of being a f/b id defend him. shocking f/b.
Perhaps if you saw him play more than once a year, you may be a little more objective :lol
lol. prety poor come back. ive seen plenty of rance evry yr. id say i saw more of him as a junior than anyone on this forum.
first and foremost lets get this straight i wanted us to take rance where we did i thought he would go earlier. i assumed he would not be there and wanted to use 18 on pears and 19 on collier when rance slipped that changed of course we went and traded pick 19 away we also traded out of pick 35 so at pick 51 i wanted cale hooker. theres a little background for you. in fact in 06 i wanted eric mckenzie with the pick we used on shane edwards tall defenders were a priority at the time imo. we didnt take a defender in 06 so 07 became an important yr to get a few.
its only since we have had him that a few pennys have dropped in regards to his strengths and weaknesses.
was always a very good rebounding defender. loved the way he moved and only had a small question over his skills. he seemed to shank a fair few at full tilt. but looking back even then he ws never a good player in the air. i thought it was something that was more about the way he played than anything else.
since hes been with us i have every yr complained about him playing at f/b. every yr the same complaints come up. poor judge of the ball in the air, falls over is not good one on one. is caught out of position far too often etc. these are key traits of your f/b of any f/b worth his salt and rance just fails in these areas.
without a doubt he is more suited to a rebounding role its always been the case but as a rebounder i do have to question his hurt factor with ball in hand.
as i said i agree with coach on this what he has said is pretty spot on. i also agree about presti he was a very good stopping defender i would take him over rance anyday based on player strengths and weaknesses to perform the role.
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thats precisely what i said, youve barely seen him play in last couple of years, he s 10 times the player he was when he was drafted and had obvious flaws judging overhead...improved to a point he s taken more marks than any other FB in the comp...perhaps you should watch his 2012 tapes rather than U14s :lol
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Rance is still young, his body on body work needs improvement but hes improved at it a lot the last couple of years and come from a long way back. Hes still only 22-23, another preseason or 2 and he'll be primed to hold his own against most KF's. Not sure why ppl are so eager to point out how deficient he is in the area, he's been punching above his weight and is the best we've had the past few years to play that role. Cut him some slack and dont be so eger to point out hes a gumby
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TM, he had some real flaws in his game early on, and I gotta say id practically written him off, thinking all he had was courage. His composure and judgement in the air has improved markedly and for a defender , gee its up there. TBH my only knock on him is he can still look to bite off a bit more than he can chew at times, but being a more attacking defender you'll prob get that, Morris is in same boat. Chappy will prob be a good compliment as i dont expect he will be in same mould as these two
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Shouldn't be playing fullback. Not a knock on him but as you girls pointed out, his sloppy one on one and deep, but a good rebounder. His strengths and weaknesses don't equate to a FB for me.
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I dont think he s sloppy one on one, that many times i recall him getting a timely fist when FF was on the lead and he has hands like a steel trap...i dont reckon there d be a defender in the league that took more marks.not too mention his contested.possie ...so far so good for a kpp ::)
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He is a fullback, all you blokes saying he isn't have missed how easily he gets turned inside out and taken under the ball. As a CHB or floating HB he would get mauled, also gets lost in traffic, not worth the risk andhe still offers more rebound as a FB than any other FB so it's still a win in that regard.
He gets the best results when he's running in a straight line on the leading forwards hammer, his closing speed and ability to get a fist in is already at a very very good standard, just needs to improve his one on one work for when the ball gets bombed deep in the square, (btw this is magnified when Grimes isnt playing, as Grimes comes in 3rd man up and takes the heat off him)But dear lord, he would get mauled standing at CHB.
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He is a fullback, all you blokes saying he isn't have missed how easily he gets turned inside out and taken under the ball. As a CHB or floating HB he would get mauled, also gets lost in traffic, not worth the risk andhe still offers more rebound as a FB than any other FB so it's still a win in that regard.
He gets the best results when he's running in a straight line on the leading forwards hammer, his closing speed and ability to get a fist in is already at a very very good standard, just needs to improve his one on one work for when the ball gets bombed deep in the square, (btw this is magnified when Grimes isnt playing, as Grimes comes in 3rd man up and takes the heat off him)But dear lord, he would get mauled standing at CHB.
I agree Tony. This is why we will persevere with the development of Griffiths at CHB. That and Griffs brilliant disposal by hand or foot.
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Not convinced where his best position is but IMO his best ever game for the club was at FB against Jono Brown in 2011. That was an epic display and showed on his day he has the class to give the best a bath. Consistency is the key, but as pointed out the kid has just turned 23, learned his trade of fullback of the century Will Thursfield and the great Luke McGuane, and gets stuff all assistance down there on a more than regular basis. Has his weaknesses but also has a lot of strengths and I can't see us finding an upgrade on him, these guys don't grow on trees.
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I dont think he s sloppy one on one, that many times i recall him getting a timely fist when FF was on the lead and he has hands like a steel trap...i dont reckon there d be a defender in the league that took more marks.not too mention his contested.possie ...so far so good for a kpp ::)
Grimes averaged more marks ;)
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im with coach the one area he should be excellent at hes poo. constantly misjudges the ball in the air. constantly falls over. constantly forced out of position by stronger opponents.
id take a bloke like glass everyday of the week in fact if rance showed just a few of glasses traits in the most important area of being a f/b id defend him. shocking f/b.
Perhaps if you saw him play more than once a year, you may be a little more objective :lol
lol. prety poor come back. ive seen plenty of rance evry yr. id say i saw more of him as a junior than anyone on this forum.
first and foremost lets get this straight i wanted us to take rance where we did i thought he would go earlier. i assumed he would not be there and wanted to use 18 on pears and 19 on collier when rance slipped that changed of course we went and traded pick 19 away we also traded out of pick 35 so at pick 51 i wanted cale hooker. theres a little background for you. in fact in 06 i wanted eric mckenzie with the pick we used on shane edwards tall defenders were a priority at the time imo. we didnt take a defender in 06 so 07 became an important yr to get a few.
its only since we have had him that a few pennys have dropped in regards to his strengths and weaknesses.
was always a very good rebounding defender. loved the way he moved and only had a small question over his skills. he seemed to shank a fair few at full tilt. but looking back even then he ws never a good player in the air. i thought it was something that was more about the way he played than anything else.
since hes been with us i have every yr complained about him playing at f/b. every yr the same complaints come up. poor judge of the ball in the air, falls over is not good one on one. is caught out of position far too often etc. these are key traits of your f/b of any f/b worth his salt and rance just fails in these areas.
without a doubt he is more suited to a rebounding role its always been the case but as a rebounder i do have to question his hurt factor with ball in hand.
as i said i agree with coach on this what he has said is pretty spot on. i also agree about presti he was a very good stopping defender i would take him over rance anyday based on player strengths and weaknesses to perform the role.
Claw, it's pointless arguing with someone who thinks any bloke the club drafts is a prodigy or a hidden gem that should have somehow gone in the first round. I mean seriously, Bojangles said the club fired Wallace because they read BJ's comments on here. He has no grip on reality and that's the way he likes it. Fair play to him as he is obviously enjoying living in his fantasy world. A world where "Rancer" is better than AA KPDs. There's no winning this argument.