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[Coach]

31/32

Rance is 22 and you say he's 8 years younger than Glass. Then you come back and say Glass is 32

I am dealing with some stuffing unreal characters in this thread

coach will cross the street to tell people his stats 

ive just got the popcorn and coke ready, waiting for coach to convince me matt whites a better player than gary ablett coz he has more knock ons or some other imaginary stat that cant be verified ...you guys are a laugh a minute

Matt White has more inside 50's than Steve Morris. I have now come to the conclusion that Matt White = better defender than Steve Morris. You are gimping in this thread, BJ. Biggest gimp around.

[Judge Roughneck]

ARance 23 y 2 m

Glass 31 7 m

 

[dwaino]

31/32

Rance is 22 and you say he's 8 years younger than Glass. Then you come back and say Glass is 32

I am dealing with some stuffing unreal characters in this thread

He said France, not Rance.   

[bojangles17]

More important- I'd argue he is equal or more tough/brave than any of the above.

give the man a cigar

[bojangles17]

im with coach the one area he should be excellent at hes poo. constantly misjudges the ball in the air. constantly falls over. constantly forced out of position by stronger opponents.
id take a bloke like glass everyday of the week in fact if rance showed just a few of glasses traits in the most important area of being a f/b id defend him. shocking f/b.

Perhaps if you saw him play more than once a year, you may be a little more objective 

[bojangles17]

Only player to have more goals kicked on him was Davis from GWS (for obvious reasons). Look it up yourself if you don't believe me.

you have a real knack of putting a pretty ordinary case togehter coach, say, dont become a defence lawyer ...so if Im compapring two FB and one has
More disposals
More marks
More i50's
More contested possies
More uncontested possies
& more tackles
how could you possibly conclude he is an inferior player,

what are you guaging, shoe size

gimmee a break, there should be a jokes forum elsewhere

Then why isn't Rance the best player in the competition? If he is as good as those players I mentioned + he has fantastic stats and all that other rubbish, why is he not the greatest player in history? You keep forgetting one thing....HE'S A BLOODY DEFENDER. LMFAO @ saying Rance is better than other full backs because he average more inside 50's The purpose of a key defender is to shut down an opposition forward. Sorry, but Rance couldn't beat my dead nan in the air let alone the best forwards in the comp. Glass, Lake, Taylor, Richards, Rutten, Gibson etc all do a much better job. To suggest otherwise is madness

I'm not even against Rance. He's improved and is solid. But stuff me, to suggest he is as good or better than blokes like Lake & Glass is insane

Listen i dont want to lampoon you, who am i to judge your limitations, Funny how you cant keep the argument to a FB v FB ..obviously because it doesnt suit your BS story . I'll give you one to think about, when the FB gets the pill 20 times a game and thrusts I50" it means the FF aint got it. Hey yeah, i didnt fink of dat. 

Pm if you like and i'll do what i can with some basic IQ building blocks, only too happy to help

[Coach]

Banging my head against a wall here. There's no need to dish out insults here. It reflects very poorly on you mate.

Do you want your full back to have the ball in his hands (even though he is an average disposer of the football and poor decision maker) or do you want his best quality to be shutting down a gun forward? If it's the former then fair play to you, we just have different qualities we like in a KPD. It would appear All Australian selectors do too. Personally I would take a bloke like Presti over a bloke who might get 15 touches a game but still gets beaten badly by quality forwards.

Answer me this and don't ignore it; Is Rance a better DEFENDER than Ted Richards, Brian Lake, Darren Glass, Ben Rutten, Daniel Merrett etc? Don't tell me he average more inside 50's than those guys. If he plays on Drew Petrie, does he do a better job than those players I mentioned? Can those other guys keep Jay Schulz to under 13 marks and 4 goals? Because Rance can't. I'm not even bagging the bloke, he is a decent defender who has had to punch above his weight. You (as usual) are overrating our players and putting ridiculous expectations on them.

Regards,
Coach

[1965]

Banging my head against a wall here. There's no need to dish out insults here. It reflects very poorly on you mate.

Regards,
Coach

very funny 

[Coach]

Banging my head against a wall here. There's no need to dish out insults here. It reflects very poorly on you mate.

Regards,
Coach

very funny 

V*

Have anything to contribute to the football discussion?

[tiga]

Banging my head against a wall here. There's no need to dish out insults here. It reflects very poorly on you mate.

Regards,
Coach

very funny 

Still relying on other people's content in order to justify your pointless existence on this forum 65? Damn I hope the Mayan's are right and we won't have to put up with your side car comments for too much longer. Only two more sleeps folks. 

[Coach]

I'm counting down the seconds

[JVT]

Banging my head against a wall here. There's no need to dish out insults here. It reflects very poorly on you mate.

Regards,
Coach

very funny 

Still relying on other people's content in order to justify your pointless existence on this forum 65? Damn I hope the Mayan's are right and we won't have to put up with your side car comments for too much longer. Only two more sleeps folks. 

Don't get your hopes up 

[dwaino]

Banging my head against a wall here. There's no need to dish out insults here. It reflects very poorly on you mate.

Regards,
Coach

very funny 

Still relying on other people's content in order to justify your pointless existence on this forum 65? Damn I hope the Mayan's are right and we won't have to put up with your side car comments for too much longer. Only two more sleeps folks. 

Inb4 

[bojangles17]

31/32

Rance is 22 and you say he's 8 years younger than Glass. Then you come back and say Glass is 32

I am dealing with some stuffing unreal characters in this thread

coach will cross the street to tell people his stats 

ive just got the popcorn and coke ready, waiting for coach to convince me matt whites a better player than gary ablett coz he has more knock ons or some other imaginary stat that cant be verified ...you guys are a laugh a minute

Matt White has more inside 50's than Steve Morris. I have now come to the conclusion that Matt White = better defender than Steve Morris. You are gimping in this thread, BJ. Biggest gimp around.

what where you saying about insulting people, you are about as ernest as Julia Gillard, stand tall my friend and keep the BS aside and spare me from having to filter your posts

[the claw]

im with coach the one area he should be excellent at hes poo. constantly misjudges the ball in the air. constantly falls over. constantly forced out of position by stronger opponents.
id take a bloke like glass everyday of the week in fact if rance showed just a few of glasses traits in the most important area of being a f/b id defend him. shocking f/b.

Perhaps if you saw him play more than once a year, you may be a little more objective 

lol. prety poor come back. ive seen plenty of rance evry yr.  id say i saw more of him as a junior than anyone on this forum.

first and foremost lets get this straight i wanted us to take rance where we did i thought he would go earlier. i assumed he would not be there and wanted to use 18 on pears and 19 on collier when rance slipped that changed of course we went and traded pick 19 away we also traded out of pick 35 so at pick 51 i wanted cale hooker. theres a little background for you. in fact in 06 i wanted eric mckenzie with the pick we used on shane edwards tall defenders were a priority at the time imo. we didnt take a defender in 06 so 07 became an important yr to get a few.

its only since we have had him that a few pennys have dropped in regards to his strengths and weaknesses.
was always a very good rebounding defender. loved the way he moved and only had a small question over his skills. he seemed to shank  a fair few at full tilt. but looking back even then  he ws never a good player in the air.  i thought it was something that was more about the way he played than anything else.

since hes been with us i have every yr complained about him playing at f/b. every yr the same complaints come up. poor judge of the ball in the air,  falls over is not good one on one. is caught out of position far too often etc.  these are key traits of your f/b of any f/b worth his salt and rance just fails in these areas.
without a doubt he is more suited to a rebounding role its always been the case but as a rebounder i do have to question his hurt factor with ball in hand.

as i said i agree with coach on this what he has said is pretty spot on. i also agree about presti he was a very good stopping defender i would take him over rance anyday based on player strengths and weaknesses to perform the role.