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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Judge Roughneck on June 03, 2013, 11:05:51 PM
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Inbreds at the G
Conca - Jackson
Ellis - lonergan
Grimes :pray - grigg / houli
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Conca Ellis in
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Jackson was great so why bother naming him?
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Cause Conca and Ellis are best 21, and to include them someone/two must be dropped.
You really think Jacko was great? I maintain when (if) everyone is fit Jacko is not best 22. Against better sides his kicking ability will hurt us.
For mine White and Dea had superior games to Jackson. Dea is tough as nails and a true defender. Whites run is vital for us.
31: Tuck (162)
30: Newman (214), Stephenson# (8 )
29: King (87), A.Edwards (82)
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28: -
27: Foley (120), Jackson (123), Maric (98 ), Chaplin (140)
26: Deledio (172), McGuane (93), White (89), Knights (96), Lonergan# (79)
25: Derickx (2), Grigg (86), Nahas (77)
24: S.Edwards (109), Houli (70 ), Morris (21), Riewoldt (112), Petterd# (54)
23: Cotchin (86), Rance (66)
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22: Astbury (24), Vickery (54)
21: Batchelor (30), Dea (21), Griffiths (18 ), Grimes (17), Helbig (15), Martin (63)
20: Conca (35), Elton (1)
19: Arnot (-), Ellis (21), O'Hanlon (8 ), Vlastuin (-), McIntosh (-), McDonough (-), Darrou# (-), Verrier# (-)
18: McBean (-), Williams# (-), Simon# (-)
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Conca Ellis in
Lonergan would be one of the outs.
Whites first half was very good so hard to drop him.
Dea was very good too same applies to him.
Selection headaches.
Maybe Ellis may play for Coburg for a week or he may not be 100% yet.
Right now Conca in- Lonergan out.
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Jackson was great so why bother naming him?
He doesn't get dropped when he is woeful let alone when he was serviceable as he was tonight and kicked a stuff goal too. Played with his limitations today. Don't even bother calling it boys.
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Kingy mightn't come up, looked bloody sore after the game.
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Conca - Lonergan
Ellis - Grigg
Upgrades. :thumbsup
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The Barometer - Round 11
Herald-Sun
Monday, June 3, 2013
RICHMOND
INJURIES
Brandon Ellis (hamstring) 1 week
Ricky Petterd (calf) test
Shane Tuck (shoulder) 4-6 weeks
Dylan Grimes (foot) 5-7 weeks
Chris Knights (knee) season
Cadeyn Williams (shoulder) season
Reece Conca made his comeback from a foot injury with Coburg yesterday and picked up 24 disposals in little over a half, while Brandon Ellis will be ready to go after a hamstring problem, while Ricky Petterd is also in the frame. Forward Brett O'Hanlon also made a successful return from injury in the VFL yesterday while Robin Nahas responded to his senior axing by picking up 25 disposals.
One piece of bad news at Punt Rd is the loss of draftee Cadeyn Williams for the season with a shoulder injury - the same injury that ruined his 2012 TAC Cup season.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/get-medical-updates-stuff-1226656411143
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Sad news about Williams. Would bring in Conca drop lonergan
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In Conca, Ellis
Out Batchelor & Lonergan
Petterd throught the twos
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INS: Conca, Ellis
OUTS: Lonegran, Batchelor
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Good chance against the bye.
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Nahas did his chances no harm in the VFL ... :outtahere
Conca and Ellis have to come in,
Lonergan and Jackson out
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Drop Vlas,Only kicked 3,Didn't go on with it.
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INS: Conca, Ellis
OUTS: Lonegran, Batchelor
Can't see that happening considering we play Batch as a tall.
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INS: Conca, Ellis
OUTS: Lonegran, Batchelor
Can't see that happening considering we play Batch as a tall.
They will want to bring in Conca & Ellis as soon as they are ready
Someone has to make way and I just think it would be out of Batchelor or Dea and I thought Dea was better against the Eagles that Batch
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INS: Conca, Ellis
OUTS: Lonegran, Batchelor
Can't see that happening considering we play Batch as a tall.
They will want to bring in Conca & Ellis as soon as they are ready
Someone has to make way and I just think it would be out of Batchelor or Dea and I thought Dea was better against the Eagles that Batch
Agree WP. I watched the replay again last night and focused on Batchelor to see if I was missing something others could see but I still have the same concerns about him - he is very very soft at the ball. Some on here have a crack at Houli for not going hard enough - bugger me, have a close look at Batchelor!
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Houli and grigg don't go hard enough.
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Houli and grigg don't go hard enough.
Do you think Batchelor does?
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Yo be honest I never thought of bachelor as soft.
I will look more closely from now on
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Houli and grigg don't go hard enough.
Grigg is worse than Houli . . . and that is saying something.
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Yo be honest I never thought of bachelor as soft.
I will look more closely from now on
Fair enough Bents. To me he goes into a contest with a 'soft' body and hands, he doesn't attack the contest or the ball with any hardness and I reckon he spends a lot of time spectating on the fringe of the pack, not often at the bottom of it. It's why I think he gets beaten in so many one on one contests because a bloke of his size should win much more of them imho. I'd be interested to hear you thoughts on it after having a closer look at some of his games.
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Should be Grigg and Lonergan out replaced by Ellis and Conca respectively. Ellis plays wing now anyway we don't really use him at HB so both Batch and Dea can stay. Having said that they won't drop Grigg.
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What I noticed with Batch on Monday night (and I haven't watched the replay yet, fell asleep last night watching it :P) is that he seems to be 2nd guessing himself with regards to what to do. It's like he was hesitating in his decision making, like he was thinking "what if I make a mistake"
A couple of times he was caught "betwix & between". What I mean by that is a couple of times he needed to come away from his direct opponent to help out and he didn't, he actually stopped propped and then just simply dropped off (stopped moving)
I suppose that can create an impression of not going hard enough at the contest
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Yo be honest I never thought of bachelor as soft.
I will look more closely from now on
Fair enough Bents. To me he goes into a contest with a 'soft' body and hands, he doesn't attack the contest or the ball with any hardness and I reckon he spends a lot of time spectating on the fringe of the pack, not often at the bottom of it. It's why I think he gets beaten in so many one on one contests because a bloke of his size should win much more of them imho. I'd be interested to hear you thoughts on it after having a closer look at some of his games.
He might do that at times but I haven't seen him pull out of a contest like the other two. Vickery is another who probably doesn't go hard enough often enough but he will usually at least make a contest.
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INS: Conca, Ellis
OUTS: Lonegran, Batchelor
Can't see that happening considering we play Batch as a tall.
They will want to bring in Conca & Ellis as soon as they are ready
Someone has to make way and I just think it would be out of Batchelor or Dea and I thought Dea was better against the Eagles that Batch
I agree someone needs to make room. Just IMO you can't drop one of our "talls"
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INS: Conca, Ellis
OUTS: Lonegran, Batchelor
Can't see that happening considering we play Batch as a tall.
They will want to bring in Conca & Ellis as soon as they are ready
Someone has to make way and I just think it would be out of Batchelor or Dea and I thought Dea was better against the Eagles that Batch
I agree someone needs to make room. Just IMO you can't drop one of our "talls"
Fair call but you could make the case that Dea is only 2cm shorter than Batch (186cm to batch's 188cm) so he can play "tall" if needed
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Batch's kicking was great on Monday.
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INS: Conca, Ellis
OUTS: Lonegran, Batchelor
Can't see that happening considering we play Batch as a tall.
They will want to bring in Conca & Ellis as soon as they are ready
Someone has to make way and I just think it would be out of Batchelor or Dea and I thought Dea was better against the Eagles that Batch
I agree someone needs to make room. Just IMO you can't drop one of our "talls"
Fair call but you could make the case that Dea is only 2cm shorter than Batch (186cm to batch's 188cm) so he can play "tall" if needed
Reckon he might be better suited to it. I just wish we'd play an actual tall as 3rd tall
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reckon batch gets down and dirty more so than Dea,who tends to tip toe through the tulips at times
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Out LonergAn
In Conca
White to sub
If Ellis is fit I have no idea who will go out
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You know the team is really on the up when you can't think of people to get dropped. Right know the only one I can see is Conca for Lonergen.
If Edwards injury is bad and keeps him out until the adelaide game, Ellis will come in. But I cant see White being dropped, was really crucial in taking the game on and breaking the lines against West Coast.
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I can think of 1 that most definately should be dropped for Ellis.
Grigg
As useful as a used condom that bloke
Out Grigg, Lonergan
In: Conca, Ellis
Jackson survives as his fortnight has been descent.
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As harsh as it is could be Dea making way for Ellis and Conca in for Lonegan. Dea doesn't deserve to be dropped but he is the 'weakest' & most-inexperienced midfielder still in the team at this stage. You are right NickSimo - is a good sign when selection is difficult but after a good win selection is always difficult. After the Essendon game we could have dropped half the tea, :P
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Jackson survives as his fortnight has been descent.
Jackson's fortnight has been descent? Does that mean he can't sink any lower? :lol
But seriously - as Daniel 161 says, Ellis and Conca in for Lonergan and Grigg.
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But stripes Dea isn't a mid-fielder? He plays down back :-\
Jackson survives as his fortnight has been descent.
Jackson's fortnight has been descent? Does that mean he can't sink any lower? :lol
But seriously - as Daniel 161 says, Ellis and Conca in for Lonergan and Grigg.
Agree Grigg should be dropped but he wont be, he's a favourite; hence why I don't even bother suggesting dropping anymore :banghead
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As harsh as it is could be Dea making way for Ellis and Conca in for Lonegan. Dea doesn't deserve to be dropped but he is the 'weakest' & most-inexperienced midfielder still in the team at this stage. You are right NickSimo - is a good sign when selection is difficult but after a good win selection is always difficult. After the Essendon game we could have dropped half the tea, :P
MattDea toughness and courage in the back line was excellent.
Would be a shame of genocidal proportion if the #7 was to be replaced.
Jackson played his usual unskilled indecisive brand of football
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agree Bents
Give the kid a go FFS, everyone else seems to have 10 goes at performing
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As harsh as it is could be Dea making way for Ellis and Conca in for Lonegan. Dea doesn't deserve to be dropped but he is the 'weakest' & most-inexperienced midfielder still in the team at this stage. You are right NickSimo - is a good sign when selection is difficult but after a good win selection is always difficult. After the Essendon game we could have dropped half the tea, :P
after the essendon game i nearly did drop all my tea......out both ends at once
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But stripes Dea isn't a mid-fielder? He plays down back :-\
Jackson survives as his fortnight has been descent.
Jackson's fortnight has been descent? Does that mean he can't sink any lower? :lol
But seriously - as Daniel 161 says, Ellis and Conca in for Lonergan and Grigg.
Agree Grigg should be dropped but he wont be, he's a favourite; hence why I don't even bother suggesting dropping anymore :banghead
X 2 on the Grigg part, is on the same boat that Jackson captains
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Why not let Ellis come back via VFL? Someone will stink it up after 1 or 2 games there and Ellis to come in? Or even Conca, he was out for a while
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As harsh as it is could be Dea making way for Ellis and Conca in for Lonegan. Dea doesn't deserve to be dropped but he is the 'weakest' & most-inexperienced midfielder still in the team at this stage. You are right NickSimo - is a good sign when selection is difficult but after a good win selection is always difficult. After the Essendon game we could have dropped half the tea, :P
after the essendon game i nearly did drop all my tea......out both ends at once
Since when do you drink tea? :o
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maybe it's a metaphor... I dunno for coffee ... or cordial
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maybe it's a metaphor... I dunno for coffee ... or cordial
Yeah, again, not beverages I associate with Al. I still remember (bits) the Rich vs Freo game last season. :whistle
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im glad someone remembers bits of that.
about the only thing i remember is stopping at the tavern on the way home and getting bailed up by a Melbourne supporter. I proceeded to tell him what a bunch of low down tanking cheats they were and were now reaping the benefits of what they had sown.
I went to the dunny and he was gone when i come back :rollin
As for tea, i do drink it, but i also refer to dinner as tea.
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LOL, should of just peeed on his leg to emphasise your point
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lmao Fraser Gehrig in da house
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But stripes Dea isn't a mid-fielder? He plays down back :-\
Plays the 'high' back position which Conca could easily take. Not saying Dea deserves to be replaced but I think they will be keen to bring back both Ellis and Conca and am struggling to come up with names now that White played out of his skin against WC.
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Important that we play with the same intensity and aggression against Adelaide that we did against WCE. Adelaide are good at getting contested footy. Conca's inclusion is a must
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I know Dimma has said Ellis will most likely return this week but with Conca returning as well I wouldn't be surprise if we don't bring in two underdone players into the one game. Perhaps Conca in to replace Lonergan as the sub this week with Ellis returning the following week (as the sub with Conca starting).
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I know Dimma has said Ellis will most likely return this week but with Conca returning as well I wouldn't be surprise if we don't bring in two underdone players into the one game. Perhaps Conca in to replace Lonergan as the sub this week with Ellis returning the following week (as the sub with Conca starting).
Lonergan has played as Sub in the past fortnight plus bye so there is an argument that he would be no fitter than Ellis.
I'd play Ellis and sub Conca and drop Lonergan and Dea
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But stripes Dea isn't a mid-fielder? He plays down back :-\
Jackson survives as his fortnight has been descent.
Jackson's fortnight has been descent? Does that mean he can't sink any lower? :lol
But seriously - as Daniel 161 says, Ellis and Conca in for Lonergan and Grigg.
Agree Grigg should be dropped but he wont be, he's a favourite; hence why I don't even bother suggesting dropping anymore :banghead
X 2 on the Grigg part, is on the same boat that Jackson captains
HMAS Turd
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out:lonergan
in:conca
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out:lonergan
in:conca
Don't rate Ellis?
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No change for mine.
Won't hurt either Conca or Ellis having to re-earn a spot.
If we are to become a good side we need people, even kids knowing their spots are their for the taking and they are not assured a spot.
It also amazes me that people want Dea dropped after just one game, he is still young and should at least get a few games in a row to show he has improved. He has earnt that right IMO.
Plus we had a great win, why would we change that formula??
Great position to be in anyway.
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I know Dimma has said Ellis will most likely return this week but with Conca returning as well I wouldn't be surprise if we don't bring in two underdone players into the one game. Perhaps Conca in to replace Lonergan as the sub this week with Ellis returning the following week (as the sub with Conca starting).
Lonergan has played as Sub in the past fortnight plus bye so there is an argument that he would be no fitter than Ellis.
I'd play Ellis and sub Conca and drop Lonergan and Dea
Training...
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No change for mine.
Won't hurt either Conca or Ellis having to re-earn a spot.
If we are to become a good side we need people, even kids knowing their spots are their for the taking and they are not assured a spot.
It also amazes me that people want Dea dropped after just one game, he is still young and should at least get a few games in a row to show he has improved. He has earnt that right IMO.
Plus we had a great win, why would we change that formula??
Great position to be in anyway.
Reckon Conca's VFL display was better than Lonergans past two games so I'd say his earned it but agree Ellis should play VFL. Can't just drop Dea to make room for him
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If ok conca and ellis have to come straight back in..how good does our midfield start to look now...cotch,lids,martin,foley,conca,ellis,jacko..our rotations wont fall away now.
oops forgot titch too
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If ok conca and ellis have to come straight back in..how good does our midfield start to look now...cotch,lids,martin,foley,conca,ellis,jacko..our rotations wont fall away now.
oops forgot titch too
:thumbsup GOLD
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Dont forget peoples Christian Salem comes into R1 of 2014 season. You heard it first on Big Footy.
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Why should Ellis come back in? Only had 40 touches in his last game. Make him earn his spot :wallywink
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AFL Barometer - Round 12
Nick Smart and Gilbert Gardiner
From: Herald Sun
June 10, 2013 1:33PM
RICHMOND
INJURIES
Ricky Petterd (calf) test
Shane Tuck (shoulder) 3-5 weeks
Dylan Grimes (foot) 4-6 weeks
Chris Knights (knee) season
Cadeyn Williams (shoulder) season
ON THE BLOCK: After that great win in Perth against the Eagles, they won't change too much. However, the up and about Tigers will have a few returning this week for this week's clash with Adelaide at the MCG. Who will make way? We think it may be Sam Lonergan and Shaun Grigg.
ON THE CUSP: Welcome back to Brandon Ellis and Reece Conca. Ellis will return from a hamstring injury and Conca is back from a foot issue. Conca made his comeback through Coburg last week, where he picked up 24 disposals in little over a half.
NICK SMART'S FORECAST: The win over West Coast in the west was massive. The big question now is can they back it up? There are no excuses - they have had a week off to freshen up and will face an Adelaide side devoid of all confidence after their hammering by Sydney. Consistency is the key for Richmond now.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/round-12-afl-barometer/story-stuff-1226661283603
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Why should Ellis come back in? Only had 40 touches in his last game. Make him earn his spot :wallywink
By the time we play The Crows it will be four weeks since that 40 touches he had against Melbourne
How many games can a second years player miss before he has to play twos, regardless of his last games stats?
Conca played for Coburg, why would it be any different for Ellis?
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No change for mine.
Won't hurt either Conca or Ellis having to re-earn a spot.
If we are to become a good side we need people, even kids knowing their spots are their for the taking and they are not assured a spot.
It also amazes me that people want Dea dropped after just one game, he is still young and should at least get a few games in a row to show he has improved. He has earnt that right IMO.
Plus we had a great win, why would we change that formula??
Great position to be in anyway.
Reckon Conca's VFL display was better than Lonergans past two games so I'd say his earned it but agree Ellis should play VFL. Can't just drop Dea to make room for him
Thought Lonergan did pretty well against WCE. I liked his toughness at the ball and his disposal was ok too. Question for everyone, if Lonergan was a first year player, from the VFL or even a late ND pick, would we want him dropped? Or is it different because he has come from one of the most hated clubs we play against?
I personally think he has done enough in both his games to keep his spot, considering he has been the sub. His tackling and pressure against WCE was what we need as a club week in week out. If that pushes others to do the same to get a game, I'm all for it.
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Lonner's commitment was first class but his disposal is clearly below AFL standard. He kicked it out on the full in the exact same spot with two consecutive possessions. He was recruited purely as depth and he will rightly make way when Conca and Ellis return.
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Why should Ellis come back in? Only had 40 touches in his last game. Make him earn his spot :wallywink
You're starting to make some good comments. Ellis will surely come in and rightly so, IMO.
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Thought Lonergan did pretty well against WCE. I liked his toughness at the ball and his disposal was ok too. Question for everyone, if Lonergan was a first year player, from the VFL or even a late ND pick, would we want him dropped? Or is it different because he has come from one of the most hated clubs we play against?
I personally think he has done enough in both his games to keep his spot, considering he has been the sub. His tackling and pressure against WCE was what we need as a club week in week out. If that pushes others to do the same to get a game, I'm all for it.
I thought his disposal in the Dreamtime game was very poor and only slightly better against the Eagles. That kick early in the final qtr after he marked 50 odd metres out that went sailing out on the full, highlights the disposal concerns, no real pressure, a shot at goall and he butchered it. Thankfully we were so far ahead it didn't matter. Thinking about it was actually the final play in a 2 minute edition of footy comedy capers ;D
In answer to your question about if he was a first year player would we want him dropped, I would say outside of wanting him dropped people would most likely be going off their collective heads asking how we could recruit someone with such dreadful kicking when we have been told that we only go after players who can kick
My issue with Lonergan is not with him so much but the fact he got selected ahead of a player that has played consistently well at Coburg over a number of weeks (Arnot) when he (Lonergan) had played 1 really good game for Coburg over a 3 week (think it was 3) period. And then the disposal on top of that....
What sort of message does that send?
We were told there would be no more gifting of games, in this case it appears to me at least a gift was given
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No change for mine.
Won't hurt either Conca or Ellis having to re-earn a spot.
If we are to become a good side we need people, even kids knowing their spots are their for the taking and they are not assured a spot.
It also amazes me that people want Dea dropped after just one game, he is still young and should at least get a few games in a row to show he has improved. He has earnt that right IMO.
Plus we had a great win, why would we change that formula??
Great position to be in anyway.
Reckon Conca's VFL display was better than Lonergans past two games so I'd say his earned it but agree Ellis should play VFL. Can't just drop Dea to make room for him
Thought Lonergan did pretty well against WCE. I liked his toughness at the ball and his disposal was ok too. Question for everyone, if Lonergan was a first year player, from the VFL or even a late ND pick, would we want him dropped? Or is it different because he has come from one of the most hated clubs we play against?
I personally think he has done enough in both his games to keep his spot, considering he has been the sub. His tackling and pressure against WCE was what we need as a club week in week out. If that pushes others to do the same to get a game, I'm all for it.
Of course its different, not because of where he was recruited but why he was recruited. He was meant for depth and depth alone. We had injuries, he came in but now we have players back it's time for him to go back to the VFL. Plus I don't think any other player even in the under 10's in Tassie would kick a ball out of bounds on the full for the 3rd time in a row :banghead
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Why should Ellis come back in? Only had 40 touches in his last game. Make him earn his spot :wallywink
You're starting to make some good comments. Ellis will surely come in and rightly so, IMO.
You know you've made it when the big coachski praises your comments
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Easy job for the selectors this week
In - Conca , Ellis
Out - The two Essendon rejects , Lonergan and Houli
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:sleep
Easy job for the selectors this week
In - Conca , Ellis
Out - The two Essendon rejects , Lonergan and Houli
Good troll
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Out - The two Essendon rejects , Lonergan and Houli
Seeing Houli played his best game of the season against the Eagles his chances of getting dropped are "zilch"
Someone who doesn't deserved to get dropped will get the chop, most likely Dea or perhaps Batch
I'd drop Grigg but he is a favourite so he is safe (wrongly)
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:sleepEasy job for the selectors this week
In - Conca , Ellis
Out - The two Essendon rejects , Lonergan and Houli
Good troll
Why ? What's wrong with those changes ?
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Out - The two Essendon rejects , Lonergan and Houli
Seeing Houli played his best game of the season against the Eagles his chances of getting dropped are "zilch"
Someone who doesn't deserved to get dropped will get the chop, most likely Dea or perhaps Batch
I'd drop Grigg but he is a favourite so he is safe (wrongly)
Dea played his best game, too.
100% disposal rate (or bloody close to it) and tough as an ox.
Houli should be dropped before Dea.
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Out Batch, Lonergan
In Conca Ellis
Ellis the sub.
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RICHMOND - In the Mix
Young midfielders Brandon Ellis and Reece Conca are both available to return from injury, giving the Tigers a significant boost for their clash against Adelaide on Saturday. Ellis, who has missed two games with a hamstring injury, racked up 39 possessions in his last game, against Melbourne in round eight. Conca, meanwhile, has missed six games after his bright start to the season was halted by a foot injury. The Tigers' leading tackler before he was injured, he was among Coburg's best players in his VFL return before Richmond's bye. Tall forward Luke McGuane and Robin Nahas were also impressive after being sent back to VFL level. – Nathan Schmook
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-06-11/in-the-mix-round-12