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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on October 08, 2014, 03:22:28 PM
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Recruitment Zone: Panel show ep:1
Bingle presents: General Manager of football, Dan Richardson, explains to Nathan Brown about what he's looking for in the 2014 National Draft.
VIDEO: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2014-10-07/recruitment-zone-panel-show-ep1
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* List needs are midfield depth and outside speed. Believe we can acquire these via the draft which has been our strategy in recent years but that doesn't mean we won't look for that improvement in the trade period if it arises. Confident of the draft pool this year especially depth in quality mids. Requires us to be patient with our list building strategy as kids take time to develop. By and large it's the direction we are going with.
* No to Greenwood and we haven't entertained getting Mitch Robinson at this stage.
* Interviewed 20 odd players at the Draft Combine and from the testing there's quality midfield depth. Names such as Petracca and Brayshaw will be gone before our first pick but there will be other quality mids available. Some can have immediate impact while others will take a couple of years, but there's no doubt there's a depth of 35-40 players in this year's draft we feel can help us. We just need to make the right decisions when the draft comes.
* Depth of this year's draft is strong. Not quite the top end quality of a 2001 superdraft (Judd/Ball/Hodge) but the depth is strong well into the 40s & 50s even.
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Inb4 whiney old moles have a rant
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Dud
Delist
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In a trade period when we are unlikely to be heavy participants, the concept of this recruitment zone is a bizarre initiative.
Would be much more interesting at Carlton who can't help themselves but get involved in picking up wannabes and hasbeens.
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we haven't entertained getting Mitch robinson at this stage...... I reckon there is a big chance he will be coming across to the yellow and black :thumbsup
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we haven't entertained getting Mitch robinson at this stage...... I reckon there is a big chance he will be coming across to the yellow and black :thumbsup
Hope so. The meltdowns would be worth 500k per year IMO. :lol
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we haven't entertained getting Mitch robinson at this stage...... I reckon there is a big chance he will be coming across to the yellow and black :thumbsup
Hope so. The meltdowns would be worth 500k per year IMO. :lol
Oh I hope so :lol
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we haven't entertained getting Mitch robinson at this stage...... I reckon there is a big chance he will be coming across to the yellow and black :thumbsup
OMG, he'd make Jake King look like a rocket scientist! ;D
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he identifies just two of the list deficiencies, the mid field is not in as much need as other areas yet no mention of other areas. truly delusional or just bull pooting..
he lies outright when he says he believes he can aquire mids and speed thru the nd which is correct, but has the gall to add the nd has been the strategy in recent yrs. sorry dan but 1 junior player in the entire trade and ND PERIOD last yr is not a strategy of recent yrs.
lol hes confident of the midfield depth in this draft pooland will target mids, yet forgets to say its also one of the most promising drafts for talls. theres always plenty of midfield depth in nearly all nds but the same cant be said about talls. imo would be a mistake to totally ignore talls in this draft, as he says kids take time to develop and talls take the longest of them all.
atm we have just 12 talls on our list which includes too many underachievers ffs every week in the seniors alone we will look to play anywhere from 6 to 8 talls every week. our tall stocks are critically low and we ignore this area in a strong draft for talls.unbelievable .
lol no to greenwood it seems its no to everyone. but thats right we only need a few mids and a bit of speed. locked and loaded eh dan.
lastly we need to make the right decisions with our picks eh dan, it aint a good record so far for the doyens of recruiting but no mention at all about doing something to strengthen this area, more blind faith eh dan they are sure to get it right sooner or later lol.
finally if we are going to embrace the draft in a big way dan why are we not trying to trade for better picks rather than re-signing every tradeable commodity we have.
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he identifies just two of the list deficiencies, the mid field is not in as much need as other areas yet no mention of other areas. truly delusional or just bull pooting..
he lies outright when he says he believes he can aquire mids and speed thru the nd which is correct, but has the gall to add the nd has been the strategy in recent yrs. sorry dan but 1 junior player in the entire trade and ND PERIOD last yr is not a strategy of recent yrs.
lol hes confident of the midfield depth in this draft pooland will target mids, yet forgets to say its also one of the most promising drafts for talls. theres always plenty of midfield depth in nearly all nds but the same cant be said about talls. imo would be a mistake to totally ignore talls in this draft, as he says kids take time to develop and talls take the longest of them all.
atm we have just 12 talls on our list which includes too many underachievers ffs every week in the seniors alone we will look to play anywhere from 6 to 8 talls every week. our tall stocks are critically low and we ignore this area in a strong draft for talls.unbelievable .
lol no to greenwood it seems its no to everyone. but thats right we only need a few mids and a bit of speed. locked and loaded eh dan.
lastly we need to make the right decisions with our picks eh dan, it aint a good record so far for the doyens of recruiting but no mention at all about doing something to strengthen this area, more blind faith eh dan they are sure to get it right sooner or later lol.
finally if we are going to embrace the draft in a big way dan why are we not trying to trade for better picks rather than re-signing every tradeable commodity we have.
It's easy claw. They don't want to go backwards. They see trading guys like Vickery for unproven youngsters that need time to develop as a step that will drop us out of the finals. Yes we need a mini rebuild but the club doesn't have the kahunas to do it. Plain and simple.
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we haven't entertained getting Mitch robinson at this stage...... I reckon there is a big chance he will be coming across to the yellow and black :thumbsup
I reckon there is absolutely NO chance of Mitch Robinson ending up at the RFC (thank goodness)
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The Club clearly doesn't rate the free agents on offer nor the names we could possibly get via a trade. Not something I disagree with. A shame they didn't have this attitude last year with Hampson :banghead. Beams and Christensen would be the only guns on offer (both also suit our needs) but they both want to head to Qld so we can't get them. It sounds more like we plan to wait a year, find out who will come on from our existing list and then go hard at free agency in 12 months time.
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I'd much prefer Robinson to Armitage, Winderlich, Greenwood or any of the other nuffies we tend to trade for.
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Robinson would add something, Garlett would too and it appears both would come cheaply if for anything at all.... Christensen would have been amazing to get to RFC but unfortunately he wants to go to QLD :banghead
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I like how every year recruiting duds or recruiting no one is regarded as a draft strategy
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I like how every year recruiting duds or recruiting no one is regarded as a draft strategy
I like that too.
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The Club clearly doesn't rate the free agents on offer nor the names we could possibly get via a trade. Not something I disagree with. A shame they didn't have this attitude last year with Hampson :banghead. Beams and Christensen would be the only guns on offer (both also suit our needs) but they both want to head to Qld so we can't get them. It sounds more like we plan to wait a year, find out who will come on from our existing list and then go hard at free agency in 12 months time.
In the mean time sign up Cotch and Dusty please.............
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The Club clearly doesn't rate the free agents on offer nor the names we could possibly get via a trade. Not something I disagree with. A shame they didn't have this attitude last year with Hampson :banghead. Beams and Christensen would be the only guns on offer (both also suit our needs) but they both want to head to Qld so we can't get them. It sounds more like we plan to wait a year, find out who will come on from our existing list and then go hard at free agency in 12 months time.
what your really saying is they have no idea when it comes to f/as and we have nothing of value to trade with seeing as anyone with any sort of trade value has been resigned.
such a shame a real chance to plug some real holes in the list. they talk strategy what strategy all they are doing is sitting on their hands and doing nothing.
fa should be a part of every clubs strategy every yr. just as taking part in the nd should be.
we effectively ruled ourselves out of any trades and participating strongly in f/a by resigning everyone before the trade period even began.
the only conclusion is they are locked and loaded.they think they have the cattle. they havent learnt a bloody thing from this yr or yrs gone by.
what is our strategy again. oh thats right we are going to the draft so we are doing nothing and with this brilliant strategy we hope we can get more than one pick right this time around.
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The Club clearly doesn't rate the free agents on offer nor the names we could possibly get via a trade. Not something I disagree with. A shame they didn't have this attitude last year with Hampson :banghead. Beams and Christensen would be the only guns on offer (both also suit our needs) but they both want to head to Qld so we can't get them. It sounds more like we plan to wait a year, find out who will come on from our existing list and then go hard at free agency in 12 months time.
what your really saying is they have no idea when it comes to f/as and we have nothing of value to trade with seeing as anyone with any sort of trade value has been resigned.
such a shame a real chance to plug some real holes in the list. they talk strategy what strategy all they are doing is sitting on their hands and doing nothing.
fa should be a part of every clubs strategy every yr. just as taking part in the nd should be.
we effectively ruled ourselves out of any trades and participating strongly in f/a by resigning everyone before the trade period even began.
the only conclusion is they are locked and loaded.they think they have the cattle. they havent learnt a bloody thing from this yr or yrs gone by.
what is our strategy again. oh thats right we are going to the draft so we are doing nothing and with this brilliant strategy we hope we can get more than one pick right this time around.
No claw. FFS, are you wearing blinkers?
We have nobody outside our best players that would land us first round draft picks in this draft. You keep on harping on how we should get pick 15 18 21 and god knows what else, but NOBODY will give these picks to us for our duds. And why would we give up good proven players to get possibly good players?
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The Club clearly doesn't rate the free agents on offer nor the names we could possibly get via a trade. Not something I disagree with. A shame they didn't have this attitude last year with Hampson :banghead. Beams and Christensen would be the only guns on offer (both also suit our needs) but they both want to head to Qld so we can't get them. It sounds more like we plan to wait a year, find out who will come on from our existing list and then go hard at free agency in 12 months time.
what your really saying is they have no idea when it comes to f/as and we have nothing of value to trade with seeing as anyone with any sort of trade value has been resigned.
such a shame a real chance to plug some real holes in the list. they talk strategy what strategy all they are doing is sitting on their hands and doing nothing.
fa should be a part of every clubs strategy every yr. just as taking part in the nd should be.
we effectively ruled ourselves out of any trades and participating strongly in f/a by resigning everyone before the trade period even began.
the only conclusion is they are locked and loaded.they think they have the cattle. they havent learnt a bloody thing from this yr or yrs gone by.
what is our strategy again. oh thats right we are going to the draft so we are doing nothing and with this brilliant strategy we hope we can get more than one pick right this time around.
No claw. FFS, are you wearing blinkers?
We have nobody outside our best players that would land us first round draft picks in this draft. You keep on harping on how we should get pick 15 18 21 and god knows what else, but NOBODY will give these picks to us for our duds. And why would we give up good proven players to get possibly good players?
no ybb you miss a big part of what im saying. that is we gave ourselves no chance of trading for picks by resigning those with some sort of value.
griffiths vickery conca with a trade of picks would have all gotten us a pick around 20.one of the first two is expendable. make some calls on players ffs.
richie tambling got us pick 27 we gave up 28 for a spud like hampson there are plenty of good picks given up for players with percieved upside. ffs melbourne gave up pick 23 for bernie vince a 28 yr old servicable player.
why havent we offered up say pick 12 and a player for jaksch and orourke. why the hell we didnt go hard at frawley is beyond me. not a nd debate there still.
its as if they think we are close and dont need to do much. doesnt this sort of thing concern you especially with our track record.
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The Club clearly doesn't rate the free agents on offer nor the names we could possibly get via a trade. Not something I disagree with. A shame they didn't have this attitude last year with Hampson :banghead. Beams and Christensen would be the only guns on offer (both also suit our needs) but they both want to head to Qld so we can't get them. It sounds more like we plan to wait a year, find out who will come on from our existing list and then go hard at free agency in 12 months time.
what your really saying is they have no idea when it comes to f/as and we have nothing of value to trade with seeing as anyone with any sort of trade value has been resigned.
such a shame a real chance to plug some real holes in the list. they talk strategy what strategy all they are doing is sitting on their hands and doing nothing.
fa should be a part of every clubs strategy every yr. just as taking part in the nd should be.
we effectively ruled ourselves out of any trades and participating strongly in f/a by resigning everyone before the trade period even began.
the only conclusion is they are locked and loaded.they think they have the cattle. they havent learnt a bloody thing from this yr or yrs gone by.
what is our strategy again. oh thats right we are going to the draft so we are doing nothing and with this brilliant strategy we hope we can get more than one pick right this time around.
No claw. FFS, are you wearing blinkers?
We have nobody outside our best players that would land us first round draft picks in this draft. You keep on harping on how we should get pick 15 18 21 and god knows what else, but NOBODY will give these picks to us for our duds. And why would we give up good proven players to get possibly good players?
no ybb you miss a big part of what im saying. that is we gave ourselves no chance of trading for picks by resigning those with some sort of value.
griffiths vickery conca with a trade of picks would have all gotten us a pick around 20.one of the first two is expendable. make some calls on players ffs.
richie tambling got us pick 27 we gave up 28 for a spud like hampson there are plenty of good picks given up for players with percieved upside. ffs melbourne gave up pick 23 for bernie vince a 28 yr old servicable player.
why havent we offered up say pick 12 and a player for jaksch and orourke. why the hell we didnt go hard at frawley is beyond me. not a nd debate there still.
its as if they think we are close and dont need to do much. doesnt this sort of thing concern you especially with our track record.
It does concern me. Believe me, one thing on this site that we agree on is we all want success for our team. The longer we go without success, the more concerning it gets...... :'(
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The Club clearly doesn't rate the free agents on offer nor the names we could possibly get via a trade. Not something I disagree with. A shame they didn't have this attitude last year with Hampson :banghead. Beams and Christensen would be the only guns on offer (both also suit our needs) but they both want to head to Qld so we can't get them. It sounds more like we plan to wait a year, find out who will come on from our existing list and then go hard at free agency in 12 months time.
Agree. At least the club has identified some of the weaknesses in the list. Do not mind the club investing in youth particularly as free agents this year have not really suited our needs. Next year maybe different.
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we have no excess of any thing with trade value. nothing. zero zilch.
if we were to trade any of our players with trade value we would just be creating another hole to plug, without any guarantee what we bring in would be any better anyway.
just like the boy with his fingers in the dike.
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we have no excess of any thing with trade value. nothing. zero zilch.
if we were to trade any of our players with trade value we would just be creating another hole to plug, without any guarantee what we bring in would be any better anyway.
just like the boy with his fingers in the dike.
And yet we made the top 8 and finished above 10 other teams, most if not all who have been active pursuing trades during the past week or so.
Are we running lean on depth, did we over perform in the last 2 years, or do we have players who have currency and we are just being conservative?
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the key word is excess
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The Club clearly doesn't rate the free agents on offer nor the names we could possibly get via a trade. Not something I disagree with. A shame they didn't have this attitude last year with Hampson :banghead. Beams and Christensen would be the only guns on offer (both also suit our needs) but they both want to head to Qld so we can't get them. It sounds more like we plan to wait a year, find out who will come on from our existing list and then go hard at free agency in 12 months time.
what your really saying is they have no idea when it comes to f/as and we have nothing of value to trade with seeing as anyone with any sort of trade value has been resigned.
such a shame a real chance to plug some real holes in the list. they talk strategy what strategy all they are doing is sitting on their hands and doing nothing.
fa should be a part of every clubs strategy every yr. just as taking part in the nd should be.
we effectively ruled ourselves out of any trades and participating strongly in f/a by resigning everyone before the trade period even began.
the only conclusion is they are locked and loaded.they think they have the cattle. they havent learnt a bloody thing from this yr or yrs gone by.
what is our strategy again. oh thats right we are going to the draft so we are doing nothing and with this brilliant strategy we hope we can get more than one pick right this time around.
No claw. FFS, are you wearing blinkers?
We have nobody outside our best players that would land us first round draft picks in this draft. You keep on harping on how we should get pick 15 18 21 and god knows what else, but NOBODY will give these picks to us for our duds. And why would we give up good proven players to get possibly good players?
Conca would
Ditto Vickery, Ellis
Etc
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The Club clearly doesn't rate the free agents on offer nor the names we could possibly get via a trade. Not something I disagree with. A shame they didn't have this attitude last year with Hampson :banghead. Beams and Christensen would be the only guns on offer (both also suit our needs) but they both want to head to Qld so we can't get them. It sounds more like we plan to wait a year, find out who will come on from our existing list and then go hard at free agency in 12 months time.
what your really saying is they have no idea when it comes to f/as and we have nothing of value to trade with seeing as anyone with any sort of trade value has been resigned.
such a shame a real chance to plug some real holes in the list. they talk strategy what strategy all they are doing is sitting on their hands and doing nothing.
fa should be a part of every clubs strategy every yr. just as taking part in the nd should be.
we effectively ruled ourselves out of any trades and participating strongly in f/a by resigning everyone before the trade period even began.
the only conclusion is they are locked and loaded.they think they have the cattle. they havent learnt a bloody thing from this yr or yrs gone by.
what is our strategy again. oh thats right we are going to the draft so we are doing nothing and with this brilliant strategy we hope we can get more than one pick right this time around.
No claw. FFS, are you wearing blinkers?
We have nobody outside our best players that would land us first round draft picks in this draft. You keep on harping on how we should get pick 15 18 21 and god knows what else, but NOBODY will give these picks to us for our duds. And why would we give up good proven players to get possibly good players?
Conca would
Ditto Vickery, Ellis
Etc
Why would you get rid of Ellis for a kid that may be worse?
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I'm not saying you would.
But youd considered the offer, almost everyone has his price.
Would you take pick 5 for Ellis?
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I'm not saying you would.
But youd considered the offer, almost everyone has his price.
Would you take pick 5 for Ellis?
No.
Not because I don't think I couldn't get a better player but because the upgrade could only be small and because the team chemistry would be destroyed. What signals does it give to others? Come second in the b&f at 20 years of age and then get traded for an untried kid. Nobody would want to come (or stay) to a club that did that.
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Would you take pick 1 for Ellis?
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Would you take pick 1 for Ellis?
Nobody would give us pick 1 for Ellis so it's a moot point.
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Strategy? Bullwhackers.
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Would you take Geelongs pick 16 odd for Vickery?
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Would you take Geelongs pick 16 odd for Vickery?
Yes but...
Looks like the bulldogs are going to have some very nice picks
They need a key forward, would have been talking to them already to see what they'd be prepared to offer
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Would you take Geelongs pick 16 odd for Vickery?
Yes but...
Looks like the bulldogs are going to have some very nice picks
They need a key forward, would have been talking to them already to see what they'd be prepared to offer
:pray
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No-one can turn around and say garlett for pick 60odd wouldn't have been a steal!
bloody hell
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No-one can turn around and say garlett for pick 60odd wouldn't have been a steal!
bloody hell
Agree
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No-one can turn around and say garlett for pick 60odd wouldn't have been a steal!
bloody hell
Yep..... alleged off-field issues or not, more than worth the risk for that price...
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No-one can turn around and say garlett for pick 60odd wouldn't have been a steal!
bloody hell
Yep..... alleged off-field issues or not, more than worth the risk for that price...
I disagree, we're talking about a guy who clearly has mental issues that couldn't make it into a side that finished below us on the ladder. Watch him disappear junto the black hole of Melbourne over the next couple of seasons. The only reason Richmond supporters rate him is because his one decent game a year is always against us, ala Mitch Robertson ::)
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No-one can turn around and say garlett for pick 60odd wouldn't have been a steal!
bloody hell
Yep..... alleged off-field issues or not, more than worth the risk for that price...
I disagree, we're talking about a guy who clearly has mental issues that couldn't make it into a side that finished below us on the ladder. Watch him disappear junto the black hole of Melbourne over the next couple of seasons. The only reason Richmond supporters rate him is because his one decent game a year is always against us, ala Mitch Robertson ::)
speak for yourself LT, my opinion of him is based on a bit more than his once a year cameo against us. Has talent and fills a list need. He couldn't get a game this season bc of a public fallout with the coach - it happens, at the height of his game is a very handy small fwd
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lets be honest about this - when you have mediocre picks like us in this draft and you don't try to either 1) improve your draft position by adding more picks or upgrading your picks or 2) bring in some decent players from other clubs then there is no strategy and telling the supporters that there is a strategy is just taking the piddle.
And that's a serious concern.
Its not a potshot or cheap shot!
we have done absolutely zero so far to improve our list while clubs all around at least try. Last year we only traded in Hampson and that was a disaster. There is no list management or draft strategy because its apparent to a lot of RFC supporters now that there is no strategy. Absolutely nothing.
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lets be honest about this - when you have mediocre picks like us in this draft and you don't try to either 1) improve your draft position by adding more picks or upgrading your picks or 2) bring in some decent players from other clubs then there is no strategy and telling the supporters that there is a strategy is just taking the piddle.
And that's a serious concern.
Its not a potshot or cheap shot!
we have done absolutely zero so far to improve our list while clubs all around at least try. Last year we only traded in Hampson and that was a disaster. There is no list management or draft strategy because its apparent to a lot of RFC supporters now that there is no strategy. Absolutely nothing.
That's a fair and reasonable call for mine.
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Would you take pick 1 for Ellis?
Nobody would give us pick 1 for Ellis so it's a moot point.
No one would give pick five, either. And yet you'd knock it back on some grounds.
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Would you take Geelongs pick 16 odd for Vickery?
Yes but...
Looks like the bulldogs are going to have some very nice picks
They need a key forward, would have been talking to them already to see what they'd be prepared to offer
:pray
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I would want #16. AND Lin Jong for tyrone
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Ty is a spud, I'd take anything we can get
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Ty is a spud, I'd take anything we can get
He's not a spud
Kicked a 100 afl goals @ 24.
Lots of people worse than that
If maric gets an injury and no Tyrone = Richmond gawn. Hampson lol. Orren still on list? No other option?
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80 of them cheapies over the top probably....don't rate him, will never be much of a player imo, get rid of and bring in Giles on the cheap - will be much better value
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We should have held on to tuck. But I digress....
If Jack gets an injury and no ones gone - same thing.
If rance gets an injury and Chaplins gone, well.....
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We should have held on to tuck. But I digress....
If Jack gets an injury and no ones gone - same thing.
If rance gets an injury and Chaplins gone, well.....
While I get your point; and I concur if Rance gets major injury Richmond are proabley gonski, we at least have options for Riewoldt going down. Yet the fact remains the ruck stocks are incredibly average as it stands. If both Tyrone and Maric. Ideally Griffiths is too good to risk there, and that leaves Orren thats rubbish and I don know if hes still on the list, and Hampson which needs not explanation. You would at least want to get a ruck before losing Tyrone.
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I'm not saying you would.
But youd considered the offer, almost everyone has his price.
Would you take pick 5 for Ellis?
No.
Not because I don't think I couldn't get a better player but because the upgrade could only be small and because the team chemistry would be destroyed. What signals does it give to others? Come second in the b&f at 20 years of age and then get traded for an untried kid. Nobody would want to come (or stay) to a club that did that.
Ellis is a quicker younger version of Grigg. Gets heaps of the footy but doesn't hurt the opposition with it. That's not me being a hater, it's just how I see him. Pick 5 would be gift.
I just wonder what players at Richmond think at the moment, clubs that are clearly well ahead of us keep getting stronger and we just sit back getting further back. While the club expects the players to give their all. It must really be demoralizing working so hard to catch up only to see it get further away at this time of year.
Like someone else said, either try and improve the list by trade or FA or trade into the draft more. Doing nothing is just ridiculas.
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I'm not saying you would.
But youd considered the offer, almost everyone has his price.
Would you take pick 5 for Ellis?
No.
Not because I don't think I couldn't get a better player but because the upgrade could only be small and because the team chemistry would be destroyed. What signals does it give to others? Come second in the b&f at 20 years of age and then get traded for an untried kid. Nobody would want to come (or stay) to a club that did that.
Ellis is a quicker younger version of Grigg. Gets heaps of the footy but doesn't hurt the opposition with it. That's not me being a hater, it's just how I see him. Pick 5 would be gift.
I just wonder what players at Richmond think at the moment, clubs that are clearly well ahead of us keep getting stronger and we just sit back getting further back. While the club expects the players to give their all. It must really be demoralizing working so hard to catch up only to see it get further away at this time of year.
Like someone else said, either try and improve the list by trade or FA or trade into the draft more. Doing nothing is just ridiculas.
That is your opinion of Ellis. The club thinks differently as do many others. As a 20 year old he came second in the B&F. Wow. You must see the world very differently BT. He is still improving and has a huge upside. With the right attitude he will become one of our top 5 players on a regular basis.
Not sure if trading a player like him for another youngster who is totally untried is sensible.
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I'm not saying you would.
But youd considered the offer, almost everyone has his price.
Would you take pick 5 for Ellis?
No.
Not because I don't think I couldn't get a better player but because the upgrade could only be small and because the team chemistry would be destroyed. What signals does it give to others? Come second in the b&f at 20 years of age and then get traded for an untried kid. Nobody would want to come (or stay) to a club that did that.
Ellis is a quicker younger version of Grigg. Gets heaps of the footy but doesn't hurt the opposition with it. That's not me being a hater, it's just how I see him. Pick 5 would be gift.
I just wonder what players at Richmond think at the moment, clubs that are clearly well ahead of us keep getting stronger and we just sit back getting further back. While the club expects the players to give their all. It must really be demoralizing working so hard to catch up only to see it get further away at this time of year.
Like someone else said, either try and improve the list by trade or FA or trade into the draft more. Doing nothing is just ridiculas.
You're spot on BT.
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80 of them cheapies over the top probably....don't rate him, will never be much of a player imo, get rid of and bring in Giles on the cheap - will be much better value
Should have straight swapped for Gartett. We would have won a premiership next year :banghead
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I'm not saying you would.
But youd considered the offer, almost everyone has his price.
Would you take pick 5 for Ellis?
No.
Not because I don't think I couldn't get a better player but because the upgrade could only be small and because the team chemistry would be destroyed. What signals does it give to others? Come second in the b&f at 20 years of age and then get traded for an untried kid. Nobody would want to come (or stay) to a club that did that.
Ellis is a quicker younger version of Grigg. Gets heaps of the footy but doesn't hurt the opposition with it. That's not me being a hater, it's just how I see him. Pick 5 would be gift.
I just wonder what players at Richmond think at the moment, clubs that are clearly well ahead of us keep getting stronger and we just sit back getting further back. While the club expects the players to give their all. It must really be demoralizing working so hard to catch up only to see it get further away at this time of year.
Like someone else said, either try and improve the list by trade or FA or trade into the draft more. Doing nothing is just ridiculas.
You're spot on BT.
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what are your thoughts on Conca BT? Just interested as you dont seem to rate Ellis all that high
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80 of them cheapies over the top probably....don't rate him, will never be much of a player imo, get rid of and bring in Giles on the cheap - will be much better value
Should have straight swapped for Gartett. We would have won a premiership next year :banghead
Duh....
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I'm not saying you would.
But youd considered the offer, almost everyone has his price.
Would you take pick 5 for Ellis?
No.
Not because I don't think I couldn't get a better player but because the upgrade could only be small and because the team chemistry would be destroyed. What signals does it give to others? Come second in the b&f at 20 years of age and then get traded for an untried kid. Nobody would want to come (or stay) to a club that did that.
Ellis is a quicker younger version of Grigg. Gets heaps of the footy but doesn't hurt the opposition with it. That's not me being a hater, it's just how I see him. Pick 5 would be gift.
I just wonder what players at Richmond think at the moment, clubs that are clearly well ahead of us keep getting stronger and we just sit back getting further back. While the club expects the players to give their all. It must really be demoralizing working so hard to catch up only to see it get further away at this time of year.
Like someone else said, either try and improve the list by trade or FA or trade into the draft more. Doing nothing is just ridiculas.
That is your opinion of Ellis. The club thinks differently as do many others. As a 20 year old he came second in the B&F. Wow. You must see the world very differently BT. He is still improving and has a huge upside. With the right attitude he will become one of our top 5 players on a regular basis.
Not sure if trading a player like him for another youngster who is totally untried is sensible.
im with tone here and there are plenty of others.
theres an old saying, where theres smoke theres fire. just because others and the club cant see it it doesnt mean those things dont exist.
and my god how anyone can sit there and say ; the club thinks differently and think that makes a difference is beyond belief. with their record its actually a negative. the club have constantly thought differently and unfortunately been wrong on far too many occasions.
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Ty is a spud, I'd take anything we can get
He's not a spud
Kicked a 100 afl goals @ 24.
Lots of people worse than that
If maric gets an injury and no Tyrone = Richmond gawn. Hampson lol. Orren still on list? No other option?
your totally deluded at times judge. hampson is actually a better ruckman. he gives a better contest in the ruck. he just doesnt do anything else.
there is only one option if maric gets hurt and that is play hampson, its sad but true.
besides havent the club said vickery is to be a kpf. the thing to ask is. if riewoldt goes down who else.
vickery has never ever looked like being a top line ruckman. and fair dinkum in all honesty while hes managed to kick goals some how hes actually poor in the role of kpf. we have a similar problem with griffiths.and most likely mcbean will be the same sort of okay at both roles but master of neither.
we need to look at our players properly and put them in the right categories. the categories or roles they actually are decent at and stop hoping they are something they arent or will become something they arent.
there are 6 groupings for tall players imo
rucks - ivan, hampson. clearly one ruckman short if not two.
ruck/fwd - vickery, griffiths, mcbean. we dont need all three this is why it makes sense to trade one of them.
genuine fwds
kpfs - riewoldt, elton ????. dire trouble here reality atm is its only riewoldt. numbers say we need to get at least two.
tall fwds - none. we dont have a gunston type we need to get two.
kpds - rance, astbury. chaplin we need to get two especially if chaplin is not an answer.
tall def - , grimes, mcintosh . its adequate would really like to get another like grant birchall.
most people just plain refuse to acknowledge or just cant see the problems with the list as far as talls go.we need to actually structure the list up properly and then fill the gaps.
when it comes to tall we just have not done this for as long as i can remember.for as long as i can remember we have never ever given ourselves a proper chance of building deep quality tall depth.
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Ty is a spud, I'd take anything we can get
He's not a spud
Kicked a 100 afl goals @ 24.
Lots of people worse than that
If maric gets an injury and no Tyrone = Richmond gawn. Hampson lol. Orren still on list? No other option?
your totally deluded at times judge. hampson is actually a better ruckman. he gives a better contest in the ruck. he just doesnt do anything else.
there is only one option if maric gets hurt and that is play hampson, its sad but true.
besides havent the club said vickery is to be a kpf. the thing to ask is. if riewoldt goes down who else.
vickery has never ever looked like being a top line ruckman. and fair dinkum in all honesty while hes managed to kick goals some how hes actually poor in the role of kpf. we have a similar problem with griffiths.and most likely mcbean will be the same sort of okay at both roles but master of neither.
we need to look at our players properly and put them in the right categories. the categories or roles they actually are decent at and stop hoping they are something they arent or will become something they arent.
there are 6 groupings for tall players imo
rucks - ivan, hampson. clearly one ruckman short if not two.
ruck/fwd - vickery, griffiths, mcbean. we dont need all three this is why it makes sense to trade one of them.
genuine fwds
kpfs - riewoldt, elton ????. dire trouble here reality atm is its only riewoldt. numbers say we need to get at least two.
tall fwds - none. we dont have a gunston type we need to get two.
kpds - rance, astbury. chaplin we need to get two especially if chaplin is not an answer.
tall def - , grimes, mcintosh . its adequate would really like to get another like grant birchall.
most people just plain refuse to acknowledge or just cant see the problems with the list as far as talls go.we need to actually structure the list up properly and then fill the gaps.
when it comes to tall we just have not done this for as long as i can remember.for as long as i can remember we have never ever given ourselves a proper chance of building deep quality tall depth.
Depends on your definition of what a ruckman a role is, these days it isn't just competing in the ruck and therefore by the modern definition of ruckman Hampson is a spud hands down and worse than Vickers and BBBG
Get out of the 80's FFS
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I'm not saying you would.
But youd considered the offer, almost everyone has his price.
Would you take pick 5 for Ellis?
No.
Not because I don't think I couldn't get a better player but because the upgrade could only be small and because the team chemistry would be destroyed. What signals does it give to others? Come second in the b&f at 20 years of age and then get traded for an untried kid. Nobody would want to come (or stay) to a club that did that.
Ellis is a quicker younger version of Grigg. Gets heaps of the footy but doesn't hurt the opposition with it. That's not me being a hater, it's just how I see him. Pick 5 would be gift.
I just wonder what players at Richmond think at the moment, clubs that are clearly well ahead of us keep getting stronger and we just sit back getting further back. While the club expects the players to give their all. It must really be demoralizing working so hard to catch up only to see it get further away at this time of year.
Like someone else said, either try and improve the list by trade or FA or trade into the draft more. Doing nothing is just ridiculas.
You're spot on BT.
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what are your thoughts on Conca BT? Just interested as you dont seem to rate Ellis all that high
Ellis definitely improved this year after a really slow start but as I described above, he gets a lot of the footy but does nothing with it. Same as Grigg.
On Conca, I think he is ok. Not a first round draft pick by any stretch but I think everyone except FJ new that the year he got drafted. Would trade for any pick under 30 if was offered.
Question for you Angus, would you swap Ellis for pick 5 in this years draft?
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I'm not saying you would.
But youd considered the offer, almost everyone has his price.
Would you take pick 5 for Ellis?
No.
Not because I don't think I couldn't get a better player but because the upgrade could only be small and because the team chemistry would be destroyed. What signals does it give to others? Come second in the b&f at 20 years of age and then get traded for an untried kid. Nobody would want to come (or stay) to a club that did that.
Ellis is a quicker younger version of Grigg. Gets heaps of the footy but doesn't hurt the opposition with it. That's not me being a hater, it's just how I see him. Pick 5 would be gift.
I just wonder what players at Richmond think at the moment, clubs that are clearly well ahead of us keep getting stronger and we just sit back getting further back. While the club expects the players to give their all. It must really be demoralizing working so hard to catch up only to see it get further away at this time of year.
Like someone else said, either try and improve the list by trade or FA or trade into the draft more. Doing nothing is just ridiculas.
That is your opinion of Ellis. The club thinks differently as do many others. As a 20 year old he came second in the B&F. Wow. You must see the world very differently BT. He is still improving and has a huge upside. With the right attitude he will become one of our top 5 players on a regular basis.
Not sure if trading a player like him for another youngster who is totally untried is sensible.
One thing is for sure YBB, you and I see the game really differently. And that's ok. :thumbsup
I'm interested in your thoughts, out of all the A graders in the AFL, who do you liken Ellis to? Now or in years to come?
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No BT I wouldn't trade Ellis for pick 5 because I have zero faith in our current cowboy recruiters to find a better player at 5. Adding to that IMV Ellis has improved in each if his years.
Good clubs like hawthorn Sydney don't care for top 5 picks. I say invest in the right areas and find your a graders elsewhere and develop them properly
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No BT I wouldn't trade Ellis for pick 5 because I have zero faith in our current cowboy recruiters to find a better player at 5. Adding to that IMV Ellis has improved in each if his years.
Good clubs like hawthorn Sydney don't care for top 5 picks. I say invest in the right areas and find your a graders elsewhere and develop them properly
Personally I think our recruiting in the first round the last 4 years has been very safe. Aiming for solid players, not potential stars, A graders. Guys that will be solid but with not much hope of being out and out stars. Conca over Heppel is a good example IMO. A skinny kid with long stupid hair or a kid that will have a go. The bigger risk was Heppel. But so was the reward.
Conca, Ellis and Vlastuin are all to similar too.
That's why I would swap pick 5 for Ellis in a heart beat
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No BT I wouldn't trade Ellis for pick 5 because I have zero faith in our current cowboy recruiters to find a better player at 5. Adding to that IMV Ellis has improved in each if his years.
Good clubs like hawthorn Sydney don't care for top 5 picks. I say invest in the right areas and find your a graders elsewhere and develop them properly
Personally I think our recruiting in the first round the last 4 years has been very safe. Aiming for solid players, not potential stars, A graders. Guys that will be solid but with not much hope of being out and out stars. Conca over Heppel is a good example IMO. A skinny kid with long stupid hair or a kid that will have a go. The bigger risk was Heppel. But so was the reward.
Conca, Ellis and Vlastuin are all to similar too.
That's why I would swap pick 5 for Ellis in a heart beat
im sorry while i agree with the sentiment i disagree with the way its put if you like.
heppell was always a top 5 pick. and conca was never a top 10 pick. i still cant work out how he slippd .fantastic record against his peers and the attributes was there for all to see. nd he had a good work ethic. being on the skinny side should have said upside nbut not with francis. heppell was not a risk we got it wrong plain and simple he should have been considered a monty. if anything conca was the greater risk. in fact he was a reach with the pick we used to get him. but we placed too much emphasis on him being a good guy.
as for vlastuin well again he was clearly a top 10 pick i thought top 5. for what ever reason and it had nothing to do with performance he slipped. imo he was best available with the exception of grundy who i thought was the 2nd best tall in the draft and met a far greater list need.
ellis well im with you on him i dont get all the love. i see a very deficient player who just happens to be able to find a lot of ball. yes they went safety first as far as having a good atttude goes.
mate im over this nonsense about picking blokes with the right mental attributes. that was the conca pick the ellis pick but not vlastuin.we overlooked all the good attributes that made heppell safe because they prioritised a good attitude over all else.at richmond we deal in extremes.get bitten by a bad apple with a few mid range picks and take attitude to the nth degree,
bloody hell fj has got so much wrong and its basic things.
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PMSL
Draft Strategy :lol
Sit back with these amazing picks we have 12, 33, 52, 70 and 88
No worries boys, youll be picking up superstars everywhere with that bunch of crap picks.
These people at the RFC are specialists when it comes to Spin and taking the pee.
Richmond supporters wont be seeing any flag in the next 10 years + with this mob and there recruiting mentality.
Weve become a deadest joke of a club.
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I hear picks 124 and 142 will be absolute doozys