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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on August 27, 2015, 01:25:19 AM
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Tigers should have Steve Johnson in their sights
Jake Niall
The Age
August 27, 2015
Stuart Dew was a contentious late career recruit. Alastair Clarkson wanted him, others were dubious. Clarkson won and so did the Hawks, since the straight left foot of the rotund Dew turned the 2008 grand final
Brian Lake was an easier call. The Hawks needed a power defender to man the monsters. Lake, then 30, was not giving a yelp for the Dogs. Hawthorn dangled September glory and the football life of Brian was transformed, as a Norm Smith medal and consecutive flags followed.
Lake and Dew brought home the bacon. Paul Chapman, who has just retired, couldn't. Essendon were not close enough to the premiership for Chappy to end his career with a flourish.
In late 2015, Steve Johnson finds himself in territory not dissimilar to his old teammate Chapman two years ago. Stevie's future remains up in the air, with no contract yet offered for next year. Johnson opted not to join the Giants last October, when an 11th hour trade was put to him.
In the event that Johnson wants to play on (likely) and the Cats reluctantly decide that they must cull him (50-50) – in part to pay for the incoming recruits (Lachie Henderson, Patrick Dangerfield), but also to accelerate their transition – there would be few clubs that stand to gain from skilful Stevie's trickery.
But Richmond are a rare club who could benefit from Johnson's deft touch. The Tigers are close enough to a flag to take short-term steps and have a need for a forward who can slot 30-40 goals.
No clubs should consider Johnson unless they satisfy the following criteria: One is that they are capable of winning the premiership in 2016 – a measure that counts out nearly a dozen teams.
They must have a need for a forward/midfielder of Stevie's type – albeit there's no one quite like him. Ideally, they should have relatively few oldies – which counts out Hawthorn, Fremantle, North and Sydney.
The Tigers have only two players on their list who will be 30 (just) next season, in Ivan Maric and Troy Chaplin; of their premier players, Brett Deledio, 28, is the oldest and might play until his middle 30s given his unimpaired athleticism.
Johnson, thus, is less of risk for Richmond, who only need offer him a moderate one year, incentive-based contract. They could pay him a base of $200,000 with match payments.
As an unrestricted free agent, Stevie would cost the Tigers zero in terms of draft; all they would be giving up is a modest sum of money for one year and a spot on their list.
The upcoming draft is said to be more shallow than Paris Hilton. Is Johnson for one year better than pick 80? I'd say yes, because the potential gains comfortably outweigh the risks.
The prospective downside of getting Stevie to Punt Rd would be that he would deprive a youngster, such as Ben Lennon, of senior games or minutes. But Lennon ought to be playing regularly in 2016 regardless of incoming personnel.
Stevie, obviously, is superior to Sam Lloyd, 25, and Kane Lambert, 23. That Johnson can be high maintenance off the park shouldn't concern the Tigers, whose head of football, Dan Richardson, managed Stevie for several years (they were spotted playing golf lately) and knows his warts well.
The other consideration is whether the Tigers land other recruits. They have not given up on Adam Treloar, who is favoured to join Collingwood, have entertained Chris Yarran, and have irons in a few fires. If they land one sizeable fish, there will be room for Johnson; if they net two, Stevie would be less appealing.
Richmond's forward line has improved since Tyrone Vickery's renaissance, but it is shy of premiership calibre in comparison to West Coast and the Hawks. Johnson, who can play on the ball, too, would give the Tigers more flexibility – assuming he performed – in their use of Dustin Martin and Brett Deledio.
Richmond people, including Brendon Gale, will recall the Tigers tried to top up with a sneaky old forward in Paul Hudson following a final four finish in 2001 – a decision that went south and became a cautionary Tiger tale of the dangers of overestimating the future.
Johnson showed last Saturday night that, when his body is right, he can still find a goal. The Tigers should be seriously looking at whether they can find a place for him.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/the-tigers-should-have-stevie-j-in-their-sights-20150826-gj8ggn.html
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Good in theory.
Nothing in physicality.
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No thanks
Maybe the Dees or blues are interested :shh
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No from me
Has proved this year that "father time" has caught up with him. Too many cameos not much consistency. Throw in his lack of discipline (how many reports in the past 3 years?) and the answer is easy for me NOPE
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Nup
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I'm torn on this one. You can't help but imagine Stevie J at his most dangerous in a tiger jumper next year.
If we want him at the club as a coach in the future, and the cost was a 1 year 200k contract... I'm inclined to think the risk is worth the potential reward.
Needs to get his body right.
I've watched a bit of him this year and old player habits are creeping into his game- playing for frees, silly hits off the ball etc.
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No. Would end up plodding through until the end, a bit like Chaplin at the Dons.
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I'm gonna say yes providing he falls on his sword and satisfies the club he's committed to a full season of disciplined team football.
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Wouldn't cost anything and if the Cats are going to let him go then he won't be in any position to negotiate too much of a wage. Well and truly agree that his best is past him, but if his body and fitness can be well managed I think his on field experience and leadership (discipline aside) could be invaluable if we are serious about pushing a flag in the next season or two. We would need another player or two and really require guys like Conca and Corey Ellis to go to the next level, but if all went to plan then having Johnson sitting full time in the forward half could really make us a seriously potent side. Deledio will take the defender that Johnson usually gets so he would effectively be off the chain.
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Wouldn't cost anything and if the Cats are going to let him go then he won't be in any position to negotiate too much of a wage. Well and truly agree that his best is past him, but if his body and fitness can be well managed I think his on field experience and leadership (discipline aside) could be invaluable if we are serious about pushing a flag in the next season or two. We would need another player or two and really require guys like Conca and Corey Ellis to go to the next level, but if all went to plan then having Johnson sitting full time in the forward half could really make us a seriously potent side. Deledio will take the defender that Johnson usually gets so he would effectively be off the chain. Add a goal kicking mid and improvement from our crumbling forwards and we are a 5 goal a game better side
Exactly.
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Jack Niall, "Gone Fishing"
Personally I'd put Johnson on the coaching staff before the list.
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Were past offering old blokes a lifeline
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I thought he has looked slow this year we have had players clog up the list but what would we get a year out of him like the year we got Hudson and thought hed be the answer and was pretty hopeless id be hoping that we do pick up a couple of better players. Well look at it this way is Johnson better then Lloyd,Gordon,Thomas,Arnott and those likes :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup
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Bartel for me
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absolutely not. massive wanker and past his prime
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would come cheap as chips so why not a one year contract with no guarantees?
niall puts forward a pretty strong case
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Not happening Jake Niall your a idiot. :lol
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Interesting comparison with Stuart Dew though. If we were to make a GF next year, I wouldn't mind S Johnson out there for us. But my heart says no thanks.
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Has become a sniper this season and will only get worse. No for me.
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gee whizz guys we might as well try for Farren Ray hahahaha...
no deal SJ just worry about SM from Geelong thank u :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup
GO U TIGERS
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Adkock
Rookie
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Has become a sniper this season and will only get worse. No for me.
I dunno about everyone else, but seeing a great of the game in a Richmond jumper belting blokes has to be worth 10,000 people through the gates
Get it done :gotigers
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A very attractive proposition. We would certainly become the most hated team in the league.
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Mark Stevens on Ch 7 said Steve Johnson won't be at Geelong next year. He's best option is to move to a club in their premiership window and Jake Niall's story saying Johnson should head to Richmond would be his best bet.
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Sorry but we're not half way house nor are we Weary Dunlops home for the old ::)
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Absolutely forget it, massive going backwards move. All the faith in the club not in consideration!
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His body can no longer keep up with his footy brain. Tries to do too much and do tricks he can no longer pull off.
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A very attractive proposition. We would certainly become the most hated team in the league.
I'd rather be hated than pitied.
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Offer him a spot in our VFL side.
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Mark Stevens on Ch 7 said Steve Johnson won't be at Geelong next year. He's best option is to move to a club in their premiership window and Jake Niall's story saying Johnson should head to Richmond would be his best bet.
Watching him tonight forget it, he is gornsky
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Essendrug have shown that they like to give an aged player a year or two more
They might as well considering the crap they got themselves into. :rollin
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Wayne Carey tonight reckons he's heard Richmond has offered Stevie Johnson one-year and then some role in a coaching capacity.
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Wayne Carey tonight reckons he's heard Richmond has offered Stevie Johnson one-year and then some role in a coaching capacity.
It's now off the table
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Rookie list with our last PSD pick ... but that's pushing it after what I saw tonight ....
Coaching role? Coaching what exactly? :- how to cheat your club out of a year's pay? - how to look for cheap kicks? - how to selfishly burn your team mates until they want you out? - how to get comprehensively beaten & then go sniping?
:thumbsdown
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Must develop Corey Ellis and co. Get games into them......He is past it......assistant coach yes.....player no.....
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Wayne Carey tonight reckons he's heard Richmond has offered Stevie Johnson one-year and then some role in a coaching capacity.
It's now off the table
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He's a twit who thinks he's a middle weight champion.
Full of dog acts and undiscipline.
On top of that, he tries to order players around.
Go stuff urself Stevie J
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Watched him closely tonight.
Bloke is finished. Can hardly move and doesn't do anything team-orientated. Just looking for cheap goals.
Brain still has it but the body is cooked.
Pass for me!
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Ditto. Wasn't massively keen to begin with but could definitely make a case for it. Watched him tonight and changed my mind. Congrats on your premierships and your career Steve, but it's time to move on.
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Wayne Carey tonight reckons he's heard Richmond has offered Stevie Johnson one-year and then some role in a coaching capacity.
Anyone we haven't offered a contract to yet?
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Must develop Corey Ellis and co. Get games into them......He is past it......assistant coach yes.....player no.....
Rookie list with our last PSD pick ... but that's pushing it after what I saw tonight ....
Coaching role? Coaching what exactly? :- how to cheat your club out of a year's pay? - how to look for cheap kicks? - how to selfishly burn your team mates until they want you out? - how to get comprehensively beaten & then go sniping?
:thumbsdown
Keep him far away from our team as possible. No rookie list, no assistant coach, no anything. He doesn't offer anything we want or need.
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Wayne Carey tonight reckons he's heard Richmond has offered Stevie Johnson one-year and then some role in a coaching capacity.
Anyone we haven't offered a contract to yet?
Chris Newman, Nathan Foley, Chris Knights and hopefully Matt Thomarse
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We are in the market for a new whipping boy - Stevie J could be our man :P
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Wayne Carey tonight reckons he's heard Richmond has offered Stevie Johnson one-year and then some role in a coaching capacity.
Anyone we haven't offered a contract to yet?
Grigg. Lennon. Grimes.
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Wayne Carey tonight reckons he's heard Richmond has offered Stevie Johnson one-year and then some role in a coaching capacity.
Anyone we haven't offered a contract to yet?
Chris Newman, Nathan Foley, Chris Knights and hopefully Matt Thomarse
I meant from opposition teams
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Richo just said, that despite reports from Jake Niall and Wayne Carey about Richmond offering Stevie Johnson one-year and then an assistant coaching position, to his knowledge that is NOT the case just yet.
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Steve Johnson’s time at Geelong to end, set to play farewell game against Adelaide
http://www.news.com.au/national/steve-johnsons-time-at-geelong-to-end-set-to-play-farewell-game-against-adelaide/story-e6frfkp9-1227508289717
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Should be farewell for good, we don't need him.
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stay as far as away to punt road as possible you geelong veterans. Playing on for more money worked well for chapman didnt it lads.
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Richo just said, that despite reports from Jake Niall and Wayne Carey about Richmond offering Stevie Johnson one-year and then an assistant coaching position, to his knowledge that is NOT the case just yet.
Interesting concept, offering a year on the list and an assistant role after. Don't mind the idea TBH but I don't think Johnson is coach material. If I'm looking at the ageing Geelong boys who would be good coaches, I would look at Kelly and Enright.
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we have had;
morris
newman
gordon
grigg
Lloyd
play significant min forward this season ...
SJ or Bartel would be no worse.
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Grimes Henderson vlastuin
B.Ellis Rance C.Ellis
Edwards Cotchin Trelor
Riewoldt Deledio Lennon
SJohnson Vickery McBean
Kreuzer Martin Miles
Maric McIntosh Lambert Yarren
emergency -> Griffiths/Bachelor/Houli/Hunt/SamuelLloyd
:shh
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Stalin love ur big ins mate 5 ur thinking gee whizz ud be a legend if they all come off probably be lucky to get 1 knowing our luck
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Stalin love ur big ins mate 5 ur thinking gee whizz ud be a legend if they all come off probably be lucky to get 1 knowing our luck
:pray
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They may be no worse but certainly no better. especially in the long run. Newman to retire opens a permanent spot for lennon to develop.
Recruiting old players for 1- 2 years would be the absolute worse thing to do
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Should be farewell for good, we don't need him.
Maybe you should send the club an email :thumbsup
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Has to be worth considering. Not like any of you watch Geelong every week or know if he's been playing injured. Would have at least one good season left in him
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GEELONG great Steve Johnson will play his last game for the Cats against Adelaide on Saturday but is yet to call time on his glittering AFL career.
The 32-year-old, who has played 252 games and kicked 450 goals, said he understood the club's direction and would weigh up his options beyond this year.
"Many people will be asking what I'm doing next year," Johnson said on the club's website.
"Once I've finished this weekend, I'll be looking at the options available to me within the AFL industry."
Full article: http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-09-04/stevie-j-to-bid-farewell-to-cats-on-saturday
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Dan Richardson was Stevie Johnson's former manager. That's where the media is getting the Richmond link from.
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At 32 he needs to realise his best is behind him and take up a coaching and mentoring role at a club. Maybe an assistant forward coach for us?
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Would take him for nothing, still has talent as much as people don't like him and his experience and knowledge of finals footy is something you can't put a price on.
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Would not clog the list with him, would rather a newbie.
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Would not clog the list with him, would rather a newbie.
Would hardly qualify as a list clogger. He is capable of making a difference in the big games unlike a kid you may pick up in the rookie draft. You've got to consider where our team is at, and it's time to push for a flag, not to develop the kids we draft at AFL level. That's what the VFL is for.
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Like Brad Miller??
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Like Brad Miller??
Did you just compare Brad Miller to Steve Johnson?
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Like Brad Miller??
You've got to be kidding me :o
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Like Brad Miller??
Did you just compare Brad Miller to Steve Johnson?
I compared the value of drafting a player at that age....there is no value. Don't get all caught up in the player he WAS, past, not is, was.
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Like Brad Miller??
We got Miller when he was about 28. His sole purpose was to be a temporary key forward and to protect Jack while he was young and skinny from the 1st defender.
Johnson is basically cooked physically but he still has it between the ears which is clear to see. Miller never had that X-factor.
Not saying we should go for Johnson but if we got him I wouldn't be crying myself to sleep...
Did you just compare Brad Miller to Steve Johnson?
I compared the value of drafting a player at that age....there is no value. Don't get all caught up in the player he WAS, past, not is, was.
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Phone being a PoS will reply later. At the game...
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He would be a good get for Norf, they love em old over at Arden St.
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What's his wife lke?
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What's his wife lke?
I'll ask Carey. :snidegrin
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What's his wife lke?
I'll ask Carey. :snidegrin
:shh
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stuffen whoa !!!
Shrewd adultery there by the king :dancing
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Like Brad Miller??
I thought Brad Miller was good value and needed at the time .
Vickery was still an inconsistent skinny kid.
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Richmond would be going backwards if they got Johnson. The cats don't need him & nor does Tigerland. Breed our own. Who is he going to push out of the current side that don't deserve to be in there. It would be like keeping Chris in the side playing another season seriously. Corey Ellis coming back will give our club what we need. A huge NO from me. :thumbsdown
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Richmond would be going backwards if they got Johnson. The cats don't need him & nor does Tigerland. Breed our own. Who is he going to push out of the current side that don't deserve to be in there. It would be like keeping Chris in the side playing another season seriously. Corey Ellis coming back will give our club what we need. A huge NO from me. :thumbsdown
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Monky is on the money again. We don't need him. Lennon is coming along quite well and we have some kids who still need to get a go. I like Butler as a potential small forward and Short as well.
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Agree - don't need him, he's cooked
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Stevie J having a blinder so far against the Crows.. :lol :snidegrin
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Half you fools don't know what your talking about.
Bring on Stevie J :clapping
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We got Flash Gordon
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He seems like the player to stand up in big games regardless of age and form. At first I could see the merit in trying to get him for a season or two, then I changed my mind, now I'll wait until after I see how we play in these finals.
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Richmond would be going backwards if they got Johnson. The cats don't need him & nor does Tigerland. Breed our own. Who is he going to push out of the current side that don't deserve to be in there. It would be like keeping Chris in the side playing another season seriously. Corey Ellis coming back will give our club what we need. A huge NO from me. :thumbsdown
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Richmond would be going backwards if they got Johnson. The cats don't need him & nor does Tigerland. Breed our own. Who is he going to push out of the current side that don't deserve to be in there. It would be like keeping Chris in the side playing another season seriously. Corey Ellis coming back will give our club what we need. A huge NO from me. :thumbsdown
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Just because a flag window may be opening doesn't mean you load up on blokes who are cooked. Keep bringing younger players to ensure sustained success.
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Richmond would be going backwards if they got Johnson. The cats don't need him & nor does Tigerland. Breed our own. Who is he going to push out of the current side that don't deserve to be in there. It would be like keeping Chris in the side playing another season seriously. Corey Ellis coming back will give our club what we need. A huge NO from me. :thumbsdown
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He's become a very selfish player
Send him to n0rt, would fit right in with his twin Boomer ;D
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Richmond would be going backwards if they got Johnson. The cats don't need him & nor does Tigerland. Breed our own. Who is he going to push out of the current side that don't deserve to be in there. It would be like keeping Chris in the side playing another season seriously. Corey Ellis coming back will give our club what we need. A huge NO from me. :thumbsdown
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He's become a very selfish player
Send him to n0rt, would fit right in with his twin Boomer ;D
can u explain again how he is very selfish if has broken goal assit records :huh
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Happy to have him on our list. If we replace Petterd or Knights with Johnson I wouldn't be complaining. Would prefer a younger medium forward tho
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Id prefer we go with one of our kids or bring in an aaron hall type.
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In all,seriousness Norf are interested. :lol
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I would prefer Butler being developed.....
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The Angels no way get stuffed stuff off
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Stevie J missed some sitters today, But fair play to him. He would have been riding high on mixed emotions. As l said in another thread players going out tend to play their best holding onto hope they get asked to stay 1 more year or another club picks them up. l watched the game today & thought Johnson, Stokes, & Kelly all played great. When they play for each other they are good the Cats. Lets hops our Tigers play for each other & are totally committed to playing together for some years like all those Cats.
But too often we have recruited players from other clubs. l prefer to have another go at a mature 23 year old Dean McDonald as a small forward. His a freak on defending the forward & kicks goals.
:gotigers
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l prefer to have another go at a mature 23 year old Dean McDonald as a small forward. His a freak on defending the forward & kicks goals.
Not up to it and never was. Bizarre suggestion :huh
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Stevie J missed some sitters today, But fair play to him. He would have been riding high on mixed emotions. As l said in another thread players going out tend to play their best holding onto hope they get asked to stay 1 more year or another club picks them up. l watched the game today & thought Johnson, Stokes, & Kelly all played great. When they play for each other they are good the Cats. Lets hops our Tigers play for each other & are totally committed to playing together for some years like all those Cats.
But too often we have recruited players from other clubs. l prefer to have another go at a mature 23 year old Dean McDonald as a small forward. His a freak on defending the forward & kicks goals.
:gotigers
Serious question TM, I know you had a bit of knowledge about him when he left to go back to the bush. Have his reasons for leaving been fixed and would he be open to having a second crack?
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Richmond would be going backwards if they got Johnson. The cats don't need him & nor does Tigerland. Breed our own. Who is he going to push out of the current side that don't deserve to be in there. It would be like keeping Chris in the side playing another season seriously. Corey Ellis coming back will give our club what we need. A huge NO from me. :thumbsdown
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He's become a very selfish player
Send him to n0rt, would fit right in with his twin Boomer ;D
can u explain again how he is very selfish if has broken goal assit records :huh
Gee I don't know?
Maybe has something to do with berating teammates on the park when they haven't offloaded it him when said teammate is only 25 metres our from goal
Maybe the fact that the club wanted him to make an announcement this week about it being his final game for them and he refused. Thereby making the club out to be the villain
Maybe has something to do with his amazing ability to keep on getting reported at crucial times over the last 3-5 seasons
Might have something to do with it..
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Richmond doesn’t rule out recruiting Steve Johnson
Herald-Sun
September 6, 2015
RICHMOND has refused to rule out chasing discarded Cat Steve Johnson next year, with coach Damien Hardwick saying the Tigers will seek the best talent available for 2016.
Johnson played his last game with Geelong on Saturday — kicking 2.6 in a typically magical performance — after being told he won’t be offered a new deal. But the 32-year-old is keen to play on elsewhere next year, confident that he has at least another year of football left in him.
Hardwick said no decision had been made on list management for next season, but the club would consider whether Johnson can add to the depth of the Tigers.
“He’s an incredible player, no doubt it,” Hardwick said yesterday on SEN. “We will be looking at a lot of players over the next month or so to improve our list, whether Stevie J is one of those, we will have to wait and see.
“We’ve got some people in place in (general manager of football) Dan Richardson and (list manager) Blair Hartley to look at whatever we can do to improve.”
There has been much speculation that Johnson could be a handy pick-up for Richmond for a season before potentially taking up an assistant coaching role.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-doesnt-rule-out-recruiting-steve-johnson/story-fndv8t7m-1227514314370
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Richmond would be going backwards if they got Johnson. The cats don't need him & nor does Tigerland. Breed our own. Who is he going to push out of the current side that don't deserve to be in there. It would be like keeping Chris in the side playing another season seriously. Corey Ellis coming back will give our club what we need. A huge NO from me. :thumbsdown
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He's become a very selfish player
Send him to n0rt, would fit right in with his twin Boomer ;D
can u explain again how he is very selfish if has broken goal assit records :huh
Gee I don't know?
Maybe has something to do with berating teammates on the park when they have offloaded it him when said teammate is only 25 metres our from goal
Maybe the fact that the club wanted him to make an announcement this week about it being his playing his game for them and he refused. Thereby making the club out to be the villain
Maybe has something to do with his amazing ability to keep on getting reported at crucial times over the last 3-5 seasons
Might have something to do with it..
He's been a leader for Geelong and if a teammate needs to be told something, he will tell them.
Why would he announce it's his last game? And by not doing that, how does that make him a selfish player? Last time I checked selflessness was measured by putting your head over the football for the team and giving the footy to a bloke in a much better position, not off field matters.
He is a sniper I will give you that. Doesnt mean hes selfish, just a hot head. If he's available for September that's all that matters
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He WAS an incredible player ... 2 years ago, but he's cooked now.
Do we owe this guy a retirement package? Do we owe him anything at all?
I'd consider getting him to help out a few forwards with their goal kicking skills in a specialist coaching role, but he can forget about pulling on a Tiger skin & taking the field! :thumbsdown
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lol nothing to do with owing him anything.
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Richmond would be going backwards if they got Johnson. The cats don't need him & nor does Tigerland. Breed our own. Who is he going to push out of the current side that don't deserve to be in there. It would be like keeping Chris in the side playing another season seriously. Corey Ellis coming back will give our club what we need. A huge NO from me. :thumbsdown
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He's become a very selfish player
Send him to n0rt, would fit right in with his twin Boomer ;D
can u explain again how he is very selfish if has broken goal assit records :huh
Gee I don't know?
Maybe has something to do with berating teammates on the park when they have offloaded it him when said teammate is only 25 metres our from goal
Maybe the fact that the club wanted him to make an announcement this week about it being his playing his game for them and he refused. Thereby making the club out to be the villain
Maybe has something to do with his amazing ability to keep on getting reported at crucial times over the last 3-5 seasons
Might have something to do with it..
He's been a leader for Geelong and if a teammate needs to be told something, he will tell them.
Why would he announce it's his last game? And by not doing that, how does that make him a selfish player? Last time I checked selflessness was measured by putting your head over the football for the team and giving the footy to a bloke in a much better position, not off field matters.
He is a sniper I will give you that. Doesnt mean hes selfish, just a hot head. If he's available for September that's all that matters
Berating a kid who's 25 metres out from goal with a set shot because you want to run of and have a shot yourself is not leadership
Kelly & Stokes, like Jonhson were told they would not be at Geelon next year. They decided to announce it themselves. But not Stevie, no all we got all week was he waiting to the club to say something, so they could be the villain. He put himself ahead of the club and the fans not like the other 2.
His time has passed, the last few years have proved it. RFC can don't need him. Would rather a true team player in Adcock over this bloke
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When a leader gives you an instruction, you follow it. Don't think having words with a young player makes Johnson selfish. You do know he's dished off more goals than anyone in the games history??
Why is it up to Johnson to say "my club don't want me anymore". How do you know what his intentions were, you're just putting a negative spin on the fact a bloke hasn't said he's not playing at his club next season. You have no idea how much he'd be gutted by it after how much he's done at that club
The last few years have proved what? Selfish players don't play in premierships. Dedicated, team-oriented players do! Adcock over Steve Johnson, I've heard it all now
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I would take Stevey for a year.
3 premierships and a norm smith. That kind of experience is invaluable.
He's had a so-so year but I reckon a new club might freshen him up.
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Cameron Ling yesterday claimed he's heard for the past month that we are into Stevie Johnson. Richo replied, no we aren't.
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I feel like this could be a Paul Hudson recruit if we can get him for 150K a year the bare minium is he better then a llyold or Gordon that's the question we need to ask we all no we need a small forward to kick goals but we also need pace which steve cant bring to the club if we get trealor and yarran then im happy steve playing for a year to maybe also help devlope lennon into that player
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^^^ and that answers my scotch question..
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There's really no reason why we shouldn't be chasing him. Think about it.
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There's really no reason why we shouldn't be chasing him. Think about it.
:huh :huh :huh
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I would prefer Butler being developed.....
agree
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I would prefer Butler being developed.....
agree
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I would prefer Butler being developed.....
agree
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Butler would not make it as an AFL player if we recruited Steve Johnson?
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Butler would not make it as an AFL player if we recruited Steve Johnson?
He wouldn't get senior games and that helps fast track development. He was injured all year this year so he would have got a couple like Menadue did. And he was physically more ready than Menadue.
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Not sure you can be certain he wouldn't get games. The best players should be picked anyway
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Not sure you can be certain he wouldn't get games. The best players should be picked anyway
True, but they always like giving the young guys showing a bit in the twos a few games to wet their appetite.
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Johnson for one year would take away from any kid we have on the list, Lennon, Butler, etc.
Pass. Let him be someone else's problem.
Just because something is on the market does not mean that it fits our club.
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I would prefer Butler being developed.....
agree
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From Robbo's column ...
Plenty of scuttlebutt around at the moment and time will tell what is truth and what is lies, but rumor at the weekend was that the Tigers will not entertain Johnson as a player next season. It’s pity because the Tigers faithful would love him.
http://www.news.com.au/national/mark-robinsons-likes-dislikes-from-round-23/story-e6frfkp9-1227515686941
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From Robbo's column ...
Plenty of scuttlebutt around at the moment and time will tell what is truth and what is lies, but rumor at the weekend was that the Tigers will not entertain Johnson as a player next season. It’s pity because the Tigers faithful would love him.
http://www.news.com.au/national/mark-robinsons-likes-dislikes-from-round-23/story-e6frfkp9-1227515686941
Crap Robbo you knob, most of us wouldn't!!!!
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From Robbo's column ...
Plenty of scuttlebutt around at the moment and time will tell what is truth and what is lies, but rumor at the weekend was that the Tigers will not entertain Johnson as a player next season. It’s pity because the Tigers faithful would love him.
http://www.news.com.au/national/mark-robinsons-likes-dislikes-from-round-23/story-e6frfkp9-1227515686941
Rubbish....Robbo...Rubbish
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Butler wtf
trelor and / or bennell ffs
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Butler wtf
trelor and / or bennell ffs
Our Butler, Dan Butler!!
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Stuff this idiot off too, don't even contemplate it Tigers!!!!!
Most selfish player ever to pull on a footy jumper!
Just remember that half you Stuffwitts wanted Chappy a couple of years ago, how did that turn out for the Bombers?
Move on....
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I think some of you are missing it, he was refering to OUR BUTLER coming through.. :snidegrin
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Butler wtf
trelor and / or bennell ffs
Our Butler, Dan Butler!!
It's a footy club not a charity
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Stevie J tonight says he still feels like he has tickets left in the tank and wants to play on. His manager has received interest but he didn't want to know which clubs until he goes away and lets the emotion die down.
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Tom Browne on Ch7 just reported that Richmond will not chasing /offering Stevie J a playing role in 2016
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Tom Browne on Ch7 just reported that Richmond will not chasing /offering Stevie J a playing role in 2016
Phew :cheers
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good decision :clapping
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Bullet dodged.
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I recall the club saying that they weren't interested in Ben Cousins once.
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I recall the club saying that they weren't interested in Ben Cousins once.
What the hell is going on with you lately, some of your comments.. :huh
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I recall the club saying that they weren't interested in Ben Cousins once.
Doubt that many ferals will be storming Punt Road and pressuring the club into changing it's mind about Johnson...
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I recall the club saying that they weren't interested in Ben Cousins once.
May come as a surprise but Greg Miller and tw are no longer at the club ::)
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STEVE Johnson will meet at least four AFL clubs in the coming weeks to assess his options to reignite his career.
It is understood that will entail him meeting two Victorian clubs and two interstate clubs to discuss his prospects.
Richmond would seem an obvious contender for Johnson’s services given its lack of small forwards.
Some Geelong insiders believe Carlton is keen given Johnson’s coaching nous and the club’s lack of small crumbing forwards.
As a delisted free agent Johnson, 32, could pick his new home if he was prepared to continue on elsewhere.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/steve-johnson-to-start-meeting-with-clubs-in-bid-to-reignite-afl-career/story-fndv8haf-1227533690728
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I recall the club saying that they weren't interested in Ben Cousins once.
Doubt that many ferals will be storming Punt Road and pressuring the club into changing it's mind about Johnson...
True, and we don't need the spike in memberships anymore.
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I recall the club saying that they weren't interested in Ben Cousins once.
What the hell is going on with you lately, some of your comments.. :huh
Nothing wrong with me apart from an unhealthy dose of ptsd.
My comments are directed cynically at the club not you. As I posted, we said no thanks to Ben Cousins then we called his name out. I don't like the games our club plays at times, especially when listing injuries, and will believe them about stevie j when he slips to another club.
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I recall the club saying that they weren't interested in Ben Cousins once.
What the hell is going on with you lately, some of your comments.. :huh
Nothing wrong with me apart from an unhealthy dose of ptsd.
My comments are directed cynically at the club not you. As I posted, we said no thanks to Ben Cousins then we called his name out. I don't like the games our club plays at times, especially when listing injuries, and will believe them about stevie j when he slips to another club.
Well I hope you get better. I know your comments aren't aimed at me but I have never heard you this cynical towards everything before...your sounding worse than me.. :lol
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I recall the club saying that they weren't interested in Ben Cousins once.
What the hell is going on with you lately, some of your comments.. :huh
Nothing wrong with me apart from an unhealthy dose of ptsd.
My comments are directed cynically at the club not you. As I posted, we said no thanks to Ben Cousins then we called his name out. I don't like the games our club plays at times, especially when listing injuries, and will believe them about stevie j when he slips to another club.
Well I hope you get better. I know your comments aren't aimed at me but I have never heard you this cynical towards everything before...your sounding worse than me.. :lol
you're probably right, i am a little bitter. I feel as though I have turned the corner though, the nightmares have stoppedaand i even watched a bit of footy last night for the first time since Sunday. :thumbsup
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I recall the club saying that they weren't interested in Ben Cousins once.
What the hell is going on with you lately, some of your comments.. :huh
Nothing wrong with me apart from an unhealthy dose of ptsd.
My comments are directed cynically at the club not you. As I posted, we said no thanks to Ben Cousins then we called his name out. I don't like the games our club plays at times, especially when listing injuries, and will believe them about stevie j when he slips to another club.
Well I hope you get better. I know your comments aren't aimed at me but I have never heard you this cynical towards everything before...your sounding worse than me.. :lol
you're probably right, i am a little bitter. I feel as though I have turned the corner though, the nightmares have stoppedaand i even watched a bit of footy last night for the first time since Sunday. :thumbsup
:lol..I used to be like, couldn't listen to the talk back shows, read the papers, talk to anyone about football at all until the a day before the next game. But I now actually self council during the game and by the end if we lose I am fine.. :thumbsup
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You're better at this caper than me then :bow
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You're better at this caper than me then :bow
Yeah, 40 years later ;D
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It's believed Steve Johnson is meeting with 3 clubs next week, 2 Victorian clubs & 1 interstate club, believed to be Tigers, Blues & Giants.
https://twitter.com/AFLTrade/with_replies
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:banghead :banghead :banghead
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It's believed Steve Johnson is meeting with 3 clubs next week, 2 Victorian clubs & 1 interstate club, believed to be Tigers, Blues & Giants.
https://twitter.com/AFLTrade/with_replies
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Steve J :clapping
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Fantastic
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It's believed Steve Johnson is meeting with 3 clubs next week, 2 Victorian clubs & 1 interstate club, believed to be Tigers, Blues & Giants.
https://twitter.com/AFLTrade/with_replies
:bow :bow :bow
Steve J :clapping
Yep the gold old RCGG!!!
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Fantastic
Kingsley mark II. An improved model that can take corners at faster speeds. A lot more grunt than the previous series but a lot less room in the trunk. Expect a better overall performance but be careful not to allow the boost in agro get away from you as you'll only realise that it only lends to overall added sloppiness & lacklustre performance especially on a heavy incline. Keep this bad boy in check though and you may get to enjoy a mild weekend cruise with the benefit of extra fuel efficiency much more output than the previous design.
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Funny
AFL Trade Twitter says we are meeting with him next week
TOm Browne from Ch7 said on Friday night he had spoken to the RFC and they had said we are not interested in having him as a player
Hmmm :rollin
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it would be interesting to know what % of all the rumours actually turn into transfers....would it be 5%?
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This is classic OER.
We are getting him - half the posters are in raptures and half are saying the club is crazy bringing in a guy that is so short term that he will take the place of a youngster and possibly force them out.
We are not getting him - half the posters are saying the club lacks the courage to get named players and will always be mediocre while the other half say it was a very sensible decision and a bullet dodged. ;D
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This is classic OER.
We are getting him - half the posters are in raptures and half are saying the club is crazy bringing in a guy that is so short term that he will take the place of a youngster and possibly force them out.
We are not getting him - half the posters are saying the club lacks the courage to get named players and will always be mediocre while the other half say it was a very sensible decision and a bullet dodged. ;D
Docs diagnosis - split personality disorder
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This is classic OER.
We are getting him - half the posters are in raptures and half are saying the club is crazy bringing in a guy that is so short term that he will take the place of a youngster and possibly force them out.
We are not getting him - half the posters are saying the club lacks the courage to get named players and will always be mediocre while the other half say it was a very sensible decision and a bullet dodged. ;D
Massive generalisation there.
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Pay Lennon the extra money left over from NOT picking up this guy!!
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lol
all $2.50
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lol
all $2.50
If it keeps Lennon, yes. :snidegrin
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Go get him tiges. Kruezer, Johnson as free agents. Trade for Carlisle and Bennell.
Drop the blokes who who wont take us to a finals win and play these four with as many of the kids as possible.
FB: Vlastuin - Carlisle - Grimes
HB: McIntosh - Rance - Menadue
Foll: Kruezer - Martin - Miles
Mids: Deledio - Cotchin - C Ellis
HF:Lennon - Riewoldt - Bennell.
FF: Johnson - McKenzie - Vickery/McBean/Maric one of.
Int from: B Ellis - Houli - Big inside mid around 190/90 - Edwards, Grigg, Lambert, Butler,Elton.
Delist - Dea, Foley, Knights, Newman, Petterd, McDonough, Gordon, Arnot.
Trade bait - Conca, Griffiths, Batchelor, Astbury.
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Hardwick still coach in this scenario santa?
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Hardwick still coach in this scenario santa?
Probably would have to be sacked. Its just a wish list of sorts. I could name probably 20 players who are not contracted, delisted, or contracted players who are just not getting a go atm.
Unlike most tiger posters i think a KPD Carlisle or Henderson , KPF there are none available in trade so take one in the ND, , ruckman Kruezer Martin, Redden, and decent mids Johnson,Bennell with a focus on at least one big inside mid around the 190/90 mark in the nd important to target..
I mentioned the four i did because i think there is some sort of chance to get them and because of the following.
Bennell and Johnson not just mids but would also help with our forward woes as well as go thru the middle. Johnson as a delisted f/a costs nothing and you would only take Bennell if you were confident in turning him around. What a bonus this kid could be to who ever gets him.
Kruezer also as a f/a is a great player, he just needs to stay healthy and it looked to me he was finally getting back to his best this year.God we need a decent ruckman.
Would really like for us to target Jarred Redden as well.He has both Lobbe and Ryder in front of him at P/A and is being starved of opportunity.
I'm really over Chaplin and Batchelor. A Carlisle Rance combination is mouth watering and you could build a very good defense around the two of em.
I would be asking about Plowman at Gws and Litherland at Hawthorn to replace Batchelor..Batchelor cracks in and this seems to be enough for most of our supporters, but hes ordinary imo and i still think hes caught inbetween roles. Not tall or big enough to play on key forwards and just too slow to play on smaller forwards and most of the time we get very little run and carry from him.. Playing him as a tall really bit us hard in the elimination final.
There are some very good options out there to improve our list but most seem content with what we have especially down back.
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Kruezer also as a f/a is a great player, he just needs to stay healthy and it looked to me he was finally getting back to his best this year.God we need a decent ruckman.
"Stay healthy"
That's the issue
He's failed medicals undertaken by 2 clubs. Both lot of results suggest his foot is the issue and although OK now. long term there are major concerns. Hence why the Pies withdrew their huge offer
And before anyone says he's worth the risk, I'd suggest the Chris Knights scenario of supposedly being injury prone jump should be enough to sway people to the side of "Nope"
He will remain at the Blues
HUge no from me
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Yes agree. I really wanted him early but not now, not after failing two medicals, its not a matter of if he breaks down, its when and to what degree.
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Cannot understand why we are not looking at Zac Smith.....
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Kruezer also as a f/a is a great player, he just needs to stay healthy and it looked to me he was finally getting back to his best this year.God we need a decent ruckman.
"Stay healthy"
That's the issue
He's failed medicals undertaken by 2 clubs. Both lot of results suggest his foot is the issue and although OK now. long term there are major concerns. Hence why the Pies withdrew their huge offer
And before anyone says he's worth the risk, I'd suggest the Chris Knights scenario of supposedly being injury prone jump should be enough to sway people to the side of "Nope"
He will remain at the Blues
HUge no from me
He has only really had two serious injuries. Did his knee half way through 2010 thus missed half of 2011. He is clearly over that injury.
Had a foot injury near the end of 2013 which effectively cost him 2014 and the early part of this year. It sure looked to me he had overcome his foot injury this year. In fact he played the last 13 games and got better with each outing.
Out side of those two injuries he has played the vast majority of games available to him.
I think hes been a bit unlucky in the fact hes had two serious injuries which have cost him a lot of time. Im not sure i would call him injury prone in the sense that he is copping 5 injuries a year.
I hope we at least look at him and do our own tests. A big yes for me if he passes those tests.
I have heard about his so called medicals, im not sure if they are rumour or fact. There have been so many conflicting stories. The only thing that i can go by is he was on the park for the last 13 games and starting to play good footy again with no sign of the injuries that kept him out of the game.
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Clawski take grigg out of your side
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I have heard about his so called medicals, im not sure if they are rumour or fact. There have been so many conflicting stories. The only thing that i can go by is he was on the park for the last 13 games and starting to play good footy again with no sign of the injuries that kept him out of the game.
The "so called" medicals are actual medicals, they are fact and he failed both.
His knee is non issue
The foot on the other hand is massive issue
WAT summed it up perfectly
Yes agree. I really wanted him early but not now, not after failing two medicals, its not a matter of if he breaks down, its when and to what degree.
Short term they say it's OK for now but if it flares again they are saying = goneskis
Not worth that risk
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Some people just can't understand fiction from non-fiction
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The "so called" medicals are actual medicals, they are fact and he failed both.
His knee is non issue
The foot on the other hand is massive issue
Where'd you hear this? Do I dare ask for the source? I have only seen some articles claiming he hadn't satisfied the medicals but none that said it definitely, especially none with that much detail re: knee/foot
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To get clarity I would prefer if links were posted before anymore unsubstantiated claims and balderdust was put forward
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yeah, this fact claim is getting to jockstrap proportions.
id like to know the source of this too
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Where'd you hear this? Do I dare ask for the source? I have only seen some articles claiming he hadn't satisfied the medicals but none that said it definitely, especially none with that much detail re: knee/foot
Rather detailed discussions about it on both SEN & 3AW on Saturday
SEN during the "Crunch Time" program in the morning. - which was made up of Huddo, Robbo, Dermie & David King
and on 3AW Saturday arvo with Tim Lane, Caro, Leigh Matthews, Mick Warner and Matty Lloyd
Both panels were saying exactly the same thing. Was a very interesting discussion
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Where'd you hear this? Do I dare ask for the source? I have only seen some articles claiming he hadn't satisfied the medicals but none that said it definitely, especially none with that much detail re: knee/foot
Rather detailed discussions about it on both SEN & 3AW on Saturday
SEN during the "Crunch Time" program in the morning. - which was made up of Huddo, Robbo, Dermie & David King
and on 3AW Saturday arvo with Tim Lane, Caro, Leigh Matthews, Mick Warner and Matty Lloyd
Both panels were saying exactly the same thing. Was a very interesting discussion
Journos making it up speculating. or journos with genuine knowledge. Kruezers manager did say he has not done a medical as such.
Look the journos may be right, but lets as a footy club target the best ruckman available. That ruckman is Kruezer. Lets have OUR medical staff do due diligence. Until that time lets all assume he is a target. If there is a problem after the way Kruezer finished the season then i will shocked.
A little of topic but on topic. Kruezer had a degenerative hip problem as a junior it was supposed to cut his career short.To date its been a knee and a foot and there has been no sign of his hip slowing him down. .
You know if we were to take the so called risk on Kruezer what is there to lose. He is a rfa. If the foot is a worry have a clause in contract where we will look after him but he wont be on top dollar.
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Would definitely take Stevie J.
We need finals experience and a bit of arrogance.
I don't need to list his credentials and the bloke has still got it. He just needs a freshen up.
Also, agree with a lot of what Claw said. Particularly about a big bodied mid. Miles has to do too much inside.
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Where'd you hear this? Do I dare ask for the source? I have only seen some articles claiming he hadn't satisfied the medicals but none that said it definitely, especially none with that much detail re: knee/foot
Rather detailed discussions about it on both SEN & 3AW on Saturday
SEN during the "Crunch Time" program in the morning. - which was made up of Huddo, Robbo, Dermie & David King
and on 3AW Saturday arvo with Tim Lane, Caro, Leigh Matthews, Mick Warner and Matty Lloyd
Both panels were saying exactly the same thing. Was a very interesting discussion
Journos making it up speculating. or journos with genuine knowledge. Kruezers manager did say he has not done a medical as such.
Look the journos may be right, but lets as a footy club target the best ruckman available. That ruckman is Kruezer. Lets have OUR medical staff do due diligence. Until that time lets all assume he is a target. If there is a problem after the way Kruezer finished the season then i will shocked.
A little of topic but on topic. Kruezer had a degenerative hip problem as a junior it was supposed to cut his career short.To date its been a knee and a foot and there has been no sign of his hip slowing him down. .
You know if we were to take the so called risk on Kruezer what is there to lose. He is a rfa. If the foot is a worry have a clause in contract where we will look after him but he wont be on top dollar.
Degenerative hip can often cause knee and lower leg problems depending on which side is favoured.
Degenerative hip is quite a condition.
How much damage is there to that area now?
He sounds prodigiously injured to me.
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Where'd you hear this? Do I dare ask for the source? I have only seen some articles claiming he hadn't satisfied the medicals but none that said it definitely, especially none with that much detail re: knee/foot
Rather detailed discussions about it on both SEN & 3AW on Saturday
SEN during the "Crunch Time" program in the morning. - which was made up of Huddo, Robbo, Dermie & David King
and on 3AW Saturday arvo with Tim Lane, Caro, Leigh Matthews, Mick Warner and Matty Lloyd
Both panels were saying exactly the same thing. Was a very interesting discussion
Journos making it up speculating. or journos with genuine knowledge. Kruezers manager did say he has not done a medical as such.
Look the journos may be right, but lets as a footy club target the best ruckman available. That ruckman is Kruezer. Lets have OUR medical staff do due diligence. Until that time lets all assume he is a target. If there is a problem after the way Kruezer finished the season then i will shocked.
A little of topic but on topic. Kruezer had a degenerative hip problem as a junior it was supposed to cut his career short.To date its been a knee and a foot and there has been no sign of his hip slowing him down. .
You know if we were to take the so called risk on Kruezer what is there to lose. He is a rfa. If the foot is a worry have a clause in contract where we will look after him but he wont be on top dollar.
As the Ox said, hip can lead to those lower leg problems. Never heard of this hip thing but that has turned it into a MASSIVE no from me. Need to go hard for another decent ruck
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Where'd you hear this? Do I dare ask for the source? I have only seen some articles claiming he hadn't satisfied the medicals but none that said it definitely, especially none with that much detail re: knee/foot
Rather detailed discussions about it on both SEN & 3AW on Saturday
SEN during the "Crunch Time" program in the morning. - which was made up of Huddo, Robbo, Dermie & David King
and on 3AW Saturday arvo with Tim Lane, Caro, Leigh Matthews, Mick Warner and Matty Lloyd
Both panels were saying exactly the same thing. Was a very interesting discussion
Journos making it up speculating. or journos with genuine knowledge. Kruezers manager did say he has not done a medical as such.
Look the journos may be right, but lets as a footy club target the best ruckman available. That ruckman is Kruezer. Lets have OUR medical staff do due diligence. Until that time lets all assume he is a target. If there is a problem after the way Kruezer finished the season then i will shocked.
A little of topic but on topic. Kruezer had a degenerative hip problem as a junior it was supposed to cut his career short.To date its been a knee and a foot and there has been no sign of his hip slowing him down. .
You know if we were to take the so called risk on Kruezer what is there to lose. He is a rfa. If the foot is a worry have a clause in contract where we will look after him but he wont be on top dollar.
As the Ox said, hip can lead to those lower leg problems. Never heard of this hip thing but that has turned it into a MASSIVE no from me. Need to go hard for another decent ruck
That is fine we all have our own ideas on what we should and should not do. At this stage none are more right or wrong than any other.
Me i want us to go hard at this bloke as a f/a based on the last 13 games of this yr. It looked to me as if he had very much overcome his injuries and was getting back close to his best form.
Of course everything would be based on us doing our own medical on the bloke. IF he failed OUR medical obviously you would not touch him.
I am against not even looking at the bloke based on innuendo and hearsay.
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If people are critical of Maric for struggling against the more athletic rucks then Kreuzer isn't much of an improvement. Plays low to the ground. He's a bit more talented and a bit younger. Also a lot more likely to break down. Pretty overrated really.
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Geez, a touch risky
Is feel safer if we stuck with Gordon grigg Morris Newman types
Tried and true options for those forwar flanks and pockets
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Where'd you hear this? Do I dare ask for the source? I have only seen some articles claiming he hadn't satisfied the medicals but none that said it definitely, especially none with that much detail re: knee/foot
Rather detailed discussions about it on both SEN & 3AW on Saturd
SEN during the "Crunch Time" program in the morning. - which was made up of Huddo, Robbo, Dermie & David King
and on 3AW Saturday arvo with Tim Lane, Caro, Leigh Matthews, Mick Warner and Matty Lloyd
Both panels were saying exactly the same thing. Was a very interesting discussion
Oh so now SEN has interesting discussions, just the other day you were ridiculing them for their reports on trade rumours..... :snidegrin
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:yep :nope
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Yeah nah
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Stevie J on Ch 7 news tonight said he hasn't made up his mind yet but he's had Richmond fans come up to him wishing him to come and play for us. He also mentioned Melbourne and Sydney fans.
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lol melbourne fans
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He can go to GC and play with G Ablett 3 votes!
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I thought this thread was a gee up
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Stevie J on Ch 7 news tonight said he hasn't made up his mind yet but he's had Richmond fans come up to him wishing him to come and play for us. He also mentioned Melbourne and Sydney fans.
Apparently North are keen. Right age bracket. But unfortunately they couldn't find a fan to ask him to come play for them.
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Stevie J on Ch 7 news tonight said he hasn't made up his mind yet but he's had Richmond fans come up to him wishing him to come and play for us. He also mentioned Melbourne and Sydney fans.
Apparently North are keen. Right age bracket. But unfortunately they couldn't find a fan to ask him to come play for them.
Rejected him because he was too young.
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Stevie J on Ch 7 news tonight said he hasn't made up his mind yet but he's had Richmond fans come up to him wishing him to come and play for us. He also mentioned Melbourne and Sydney fans.
Apparently North are keen. Right age bracket. But unfortunately they couldn't find a fan to ask him to come play for them.
Rejected him because he was too young.
Pretty sure he comes in under their youth policy
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Stevie J on Ch 7 news tonight said he hasn't made up his mind yet but he's had Richmond fans come up to him wishing him to come and play for us. He also mentioned Melbourne and Sydney fans.
Apparently North are keen. Right age bracket. But unfortunately they couldn't find a fan to ask him to come play for them.
Rejected him because he was too young.
Pretty sure he comes in under their youth policy
:lol :thumbsup
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Stevie J on Ch 7 news tonight said he hasn't made up his mind yet but he's had Richmond fans come up to him wishing him to come and play for us. He also mentioned Melbourne and Sydney fans.
Apparently North are keen. Right age bracket. But unfortunately they couldn't find a fan to ask him to come play for them.
Rejected him because he was too young.
Rejected him because Harvey didn't want to lose the attention
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Stevie J on Ch 7 news tonight said he hasn't made up his mind yet but he's had Richmond fans come up to him wishing him to come and play for us. He also mentioned Melbourne and Sydney fans.
Because it's up to him to make his mind up.
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Interest in Stevie J lukewarm at the moment
Former Geelong star Steve Johnson is finding it harder than many first thought to land a short-term deal at another club to finish his career.
“He’s met with four clubs and a lot of them are keen on him being a coach, but only a couple are interested in him being a player,” explained Ralph.
“They’ve said to him if they miss out on some of their trade targets then he might be their man.
“Gary Ablett has called Rodney Eade and said they need to get him to the Gold Coast.”
http://www.sen.com.au/news/10-15/trade-sentral-luke-parker-bennell-stevie-j#9mmjV8pQkRvs20VM.99
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l not a fan of recycled players as many know. l like clubs to breed their own. But the Tigers need a spark & a premiership player who has the ability to cause damage & show leadership. l would get Steve Johnson for season 2016/2017. He can still play midfield & we all know he can kick goals :thumbsup
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I am a huge fan of recycled players but not at 32 years old. Recycled players we should focus on are the same as what the Hawks have done and the Swans did!!!
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mitch morton won swannies a flag
then i think they delisted him
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mitch morton won swannies a flag
then i think they delisted him
Yep they sure did. ;D
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We have only had 1 player retire or delisted that was in our 22 at the end of our season. We have 8 to 12 players that need time in the main team to either develop or see what they have got. We don't need Steve J go take that one spot. Beside that if you watched this season he was a shadow of his previous self and had become a real sniper. Big no for me (again)
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We have only had 1 player retire or delisted that was in our 22 at the end of our season. We have 8 to 12 players that need time in the main team to either develop or see what they have got. We don't need Steve J go take that one spot. Beside that if you watched this season he was a shadow of his previous self and had become a real sniper. Big no for me (again)
l really agree 100% with your post. A bomb really needs to go off down at the club to spark a few of our leaders into weekly consistency. We do have the players who could be players like SJ who are out of the side due to injury. Cory Ellis could be that guy or Lambert is a player l see that could be our own SJ damaging player
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We have only had 1 player retire or delisted that was in our 22 at the end of our season. We have 8 to 12 players that need time in the main team to either develop or see what they have got. We don't need Steve J go take that one spot. Beside that if you watched this season he was a shadow of his previous self and had become a real sniper. Big no for me (again)
x 2 :clapping
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mitch morton won swannies a flag
then i think they delisted him
Yep they sure did. ;D
He retired of his own volition. Went out on a high.
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Former Geelong star Steve Johnson may be left stranded without a club to extend his playing career, but there is still a chance Richmond could take him.
SEN draft expert Brett Anderson suggests that there are not too many teams left that are interested in the 32-year-old triple premiership player.
“Well I think the tigers could get Stevie J and we probably heard on the weekend that Gold Coast has ruled them out on taking him,” said Anderson on SEN radio.
“He probably does want to play somewhere and he then you’ve got to look at him in a coaching capacity too.”
http://www.sen.com.au/news/10-15/trade-sentral-stevie-j-tigers-leuenberger#Cgv3JdJf45AbpowQ.99
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This is the Tigers 'big fish" that's top secret.. :shh :snidegrin :whistle ::)
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This is the Tigers 'big fish" that's top secret.. :shh :snidegrin :whistle ::)
:lol :lol :lol :lol yeah ur probably right mate they will say we went after to help develop our young forwaders and get the finals experience within the club
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Would only rookie him for depth
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Would only rookie him for depth
Why??? Seriously, why wouldn't you fill that rookie spot with a young guy?
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I find the term rookie for older players with 200 plus games experience to be a little misleading.
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Would only rookie him for depth
Why??? Seriously, why wouldn't you fill that rookie spot with a young guy?
because the likelyhood of that young guy making it is pretty slim.
and please, if you are going to trot out a couple of names of the few who do come good, please put it forward with the number of rookies who dont so it is in correct context.
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Would only rookie him for depth
Why??? Seriously, why wouldn't you fill that rookie spot with a young guy?
I like the idea of having a bit of a mix of experienced depth and potential talent in the rookie list. Seriously, hardly any of them make it but some do have enough talent they are worth the punt because there is no risk involved. But it is also useful to have a back up player sitting in the wings who I'd rather not take the spot of a young player that has earned a spot in the 22
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Would only rookie him for depth
Why??? Seriously, why wouldn't you fill that rookie spot with a young guy?
because the likelyhood of that young guy making it is pretty slim.
and please, if you are going to trot out a couple of names of the few who do come good, please put it forward with the number of rookies who dont so it is in correct context.
And some do, I would rather have the some do as an option instead of the 32 year old list clogger.
There is a reason the Cats got rid of him, that's enough for me, If they thought he would be part of their development or next premiership they would have kept him. So we would be unprofessional to pick him up.
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and please, if you are going to trot out a couple of names of the few who do come good, please put it forward with the number of rookies who dont so it is in correct context.
Posted in another thread about pick 20 being slim and along with the comment about rookie picks being a slim chance I've just been waiting for someone to bring up the one out of 1000 good players to come from that pick.
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And some do, I would rather have the some do as an option instead of the 32 year old list clogger.
There is a reason the Cats got rid of him, that's enough for me, If they thought he would be part of their development or next premiership they would have kept him. So we would be unprofessional to pick him up.
Yes some do, hence why I like a bit of a mix but most of the time it just doesn't eventuate. Just like hedging your bets to ensure you get some sort of outcome.
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And some do, I would rather have the some do as an option instead of the 32 year old list clogger.
There is a reason the Cats got rid of him, that's enough for me, If they thought he would be part of their development or next premiership they would have kept him. So we would be unprofessional to pick him up.
Yes some do, hence why I like a bit of a mix but most of the time it just doesn't eventuate. Just like hedging your bets to ensure you get some sort of outcome.
Why did the Cats get rid of him???? Are we that close to a flag??
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Closer than they are
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Closer than they are
Nooooooooo, not when they get Henderson, Dangerfield and Selwood.... we will be as far behind them as we always have been
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And some do, I would rather have the some do as an option instead of the 32 year old list clogger.
There is a reason the Cats got rid of him, that's enough for me, If they thought he would be part of their development or next premiership they would have kept him. So we would be unprofessional to pick him up.
Yes some do, hence why I like a bit of a mix but most of the time it just doesn't eventuate. Just like hedging your bets to ensure you get some sort of outcome.
Why did the Cats get rid of him???? Are we that close to a flag??
thats such a simplistic way of looking at it.
Why did gold coast get rid of Miles?
Why did Hawthorne let buddy go?
Why did gold coast get rid of Bennell?
Why did we get rid of morton?
Theres a myriad of reasons and it all comes down to where you are at as a club.
If we were to take johnston the best thing would be a rookie. you know what are getting and if you have a bad run injuries of injuries youd much prefer to have him waiting in the wings than the 150th best junior .
You keep bringing up Hawthorn as an example, yet only recently there was an article about how well they they had used top up short term players (eg stewie dew) in recent times.
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Closer than they are
are we??? you sure about that???.
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Can anyone name just one sml/med fwd at our club who has performed better than sj in the role. Can that fwd also go thru the middle and hurt the opposition.
People have to realise SJ is streets ahead of anything we have atm. One year or two years he improves the list and a deficient area of the list.
W eare hunting finals again next year arent we.
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Closer than they are
are we??? you sure about that???.
Yep. I assume you disagree?
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Are Richmond looking at Stevie J?
Sam Landsberger - Jay Clark has some Stevie J news shortly. Stay tuned!
http://www.themercury.com.au/jake-carlisle-meets-st-kilda-race-for-his-signature-narrows-to-two-clubs/story-fnj3twbb-1227557972449
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FFS you would have to be kidding me if he comes to the Tigers...what a joke, we can't land anyone of the big fish but we are going for this guy....no.....surely it wont happen.. :help
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Steve Johnson says he’s ready to tough out pre-season if he can find a suitable club
Jay Clark
Herald Sun
October 06, 2015
STEVE Johnson says he still has the hunger to play on next season and would do the hard yards in summer training for a new club.
The Geelong premiership champion was not offered another contract from the Cats this year and has already spoken with a few clubs about saddling up again next season.
But only if it is the right for him and his new club, Johnson said today at TAB’s spring racing carnival launch.
Johnson said he was prepared to consider all opportunities, including clubs at the top and bottom of the ladder.
“I certainly do have the motivation,” Johnson said at the TAB launch.
“I mean, I’m not afraid of going through a tough pre-season, so that’s not a factor for me.
“As I said, I need to work out if a club is a good fit for me in a playing capacity. If I don’t see that is right then I will look to other opportunities.
“I have spoken to a couple of clubs, and I’m expecting to a couple more over the next week or two.
“Things will be a lot clearer once the water has gone under the bridge there.”
A few clubs have been linked to the three-time premiership goal kicker, including Richmond and Sydney.
Johnson, 32, said he would consider developing clubs and likely finalists.
“A lot of people are trying to give me advice that you should only play on if you are in a premiership window, and that is a factor that does appeal to me,” he said.
“But it is not the over riding thing that will make my decision.”
He said coaching was also something he would consider.
“I’m sure there are a couple of clubs that want to talk to me about something like that, but I haven’t really looked into years of contract in coaching and those types of things as of yet,” he said.
http://www.themercury.com.au/steve-johnson-says-hes-ready-to-tough-out-pre-season-if-he-can-find-a-suitable-club/story-fnj3twbb-1227558821892
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:chuck :nope :facepalm
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Can anyone name just one sml/med fwd at our club who has performed better than sj in the role. Can that fwd also go thru the middle and hurt the opposition.
People have to realise SJ is streets ahead of anything we have atm. One year or two years he improves the list and a deficient area of the list.
W eare hunting finals again next year arent we.
Claw, there is no doubt that SJ outperforms any sml/med forward I could name at Richmond (Edwards & Deledio would probably be the fairest comparisons). But the majority of our current sml/med forwards are just young draftees, to compare a 250 game triple premiership player to a 10 gamer in a sub vest isn't quite fair. Edwards & Delidio aside, you are comparing a gun player's whole career to our recent draftees first 2 years, not a fair comparison there.
Instead try comparing SJ's first 10 games to Lennon's & Lloyd's first 10. I reckon Lennon would be close, even Lloyd's numbers would be close too, all things considered.
On the 'apples to apples' basis, comparing any Geelong player from their golden period to any present young hopeful at Richmond doesn't prove much. It certainly doesn't prove that a 32-33yo SJ could cut it at Richmond in '16 ...
I would consider SJ as a 1-2 year rookie with a view towards an assistant coaching role at Richmond, but not as a listed player. Having a player of his indisputable class around the club & in our VFL side could only be a good thing. We could always promote him to the firsts if need be ...
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Mark Stevens on Ch 7 news saying "insiders" have Sydney as Stevie J's potential suitor.
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With the weight SJ has put on and the way he is always out of breath this year does he qualify as a big fish?
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With the weight SJ has put on and the way he is always out of breath this year does he qualify as a big fish?
Yes brother, a puffer or blow fish... ;)
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:chuck :nope :facepalm
WAT, please give it a rest. We get it that you don't want SJ at the club. Point made.
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WAT I think you need to start the " I told you we shouldn't have drafted Stevie J" thread
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:chuck :nope :facepalm
WAT, please give it a rest. We get it that you don't want SJ at the club. Point made.
i for one am enjoying the commentary
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All righty then.
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All righty then.
although its a stupid position to maintain as we are giving games to spuds like Newman, Grigg, Morris, Gordon
nonsensical
its all well and good not wanting a talented player for his age - but we are currently playing a number of similar aged, far less talented gimps, riddle me that WAT
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Snip! Discuss the topic without the insults, ppl! >:(
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If playing finals is not the aim then dont get him.
If playing finals and winning one is the go then go get him. FFS he is a delisted f/a and wont be keeping anyone out of the side.
Can anyone name just one sml/med fwd at our club who has performed better than sj in the role. Can that fwd also go thru the middle and hurt the opposition.
People have to realise SJ is streets ahead of anything we have atm. One year or two years he improves the list and a deficient area of the list.
W eare hunting finals again next year arent we.
Claw, there is no doubt that SJ outperforms any sml/med forward I could name at Richmond (Edwards & Deledio would probably be the fairest comparisons). But the majority of our current sml/med forwards are just young draftees, to compare a 250 game triple premiership player to a 10 gamer in a sub vest isn't quite fair. Edwards & Delidio aside, you are comparing a gun player's whole career to our recent draftees first 2 years, not a fair comparison there.
Instead try comparing SJ's first 10 games to Lennon's & Lloyd's first 10. I reckon Lennon would be close, even Lloyd's numbers would be close too, all things considered.
On the 'apples to apples' basis, comparing any Geelong player from their golden period to any present young hopeful at Richmond doesn't prove much. It certainly doesn't prove that a 32-33yo SJ could cut it at Richmond in '16 ...
I would consider SJ as a 1-2 year rookie with a view towards an assistant coaching role at Richmond, but not as a listed player. Having a player of his indisputable class around the club & in our VFL side could only be a good thing. We could always promote him to the firsts if need be ...
It would be a valid gripe if i advocated we delist Lennon or Butler for SJ. Lloyd is very ordinary and a 26yo hes hardly a kid i would not hesitate to cut him for SJ if it came to that. I would rather two yrs of Johnson than 5yrs of Lloyd and mediocrity. .
If i did a best 22 which included the need to play kids then Butler, Lennon and Johnson would be in the fwd half. Hopefully Lennon and Johnson would be a part of midfield rotations.
As i said we are supposed to be a finals contender, we are even supposed to be looking at top 4. So it is about now!!!!! and right now Steve Johnson is a far better player than any sml/med forward we have on our list, and there is no competition when comparing the type, he is that far in front of the rest.It is a no brainer if we want to take the next step and win a final then a bloke like Johnson is Ideal even if we only have him for a year or two.
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old slow SJ > younger slower Lloyd
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:chuck :nope :facepalm
WAT, please give it a rest. We get it that you don't want SJ at the club. Point made.
I will keep saying it until we don't get him. You should be very worried if we do get him though. :snidegrin
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Wowser, the absolute lunacy of picking this guy up would almost force me not to pay up next year. Bloke is a known pisspot, wouldn't give a poo about the club. Is well past it, had a stinky season this year and not getting any younger.
Paul Hudson 2002 all over again. No thank you!
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Wowser, the absolute lunacy of picking this guy up would almost force me not to pay up next year. Bloke is a known peepot, wouldn't give a poo about the club. Is well past it, had a stinky season this year and not getting any younger.
Paul Hudson 2002 all over again. No thank you!
Summed up so well, I am nominating this post for post of the year.
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the more i read this thread the more i want us to get him
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the more i read this thread the more i want us to get him
Oh Penny you are not only cute but funny too. Right swipe..... :lol
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WAT I think you need to start the " I told you we shouldn't have drafted Stevie J" thread
:lol
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Q. Still any chance of the Tigers picking up Stevie J?
Max Laughton (@dshban) - I would think there's a chance
http://www.themercury.com.au/afl-trades-essendon-st-kilda-carlton-collingwood-headline-major-trade-action/story-fnj3twbb-1227566957748
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yesss :clapping
instant replacement for lennon
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Oh yeh baby
:dancing
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:fishing
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someones gotta try to catch that elusive big fish........
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yesss :clapping
instant replacement for lennon
It's certainly a better idea if Lennon's leaving than it would be if Lennon's staying...even if it is only a short term fix.....then there's the whole coaching role afterwards...
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Won't be any Stevie J action during trade week
He's been delisted so he is a FA, can go anywhere for nothing
Not sure there are many clubs interested to be honest
But again all good for a laugh
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I agree.
He is FA!
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yesss :clapping
instant replacement for lennon
Just not so good in the mid - long term
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Won't be any Stevie J action during trade week
He's been delisted so he is a FA, can go anywhere for nothing
Not sure there are many clubs interested to be honest
But again all good for a laugh
What's there to laugh about?
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true, I dont think its possible to laugh and stomp your feet at the same time
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What's there to laugh about?
this entire Trade/FA period is turning into comedy capers down at Punt Road
Just got to laugh :snidegrin
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Wowser, the absolute lunacy of picking this guy up would almost force me not to pay up next year. Bloke is a known peepot, wouldn't give a poo about the club. Is well past it, had a stinky season this year and not getting any younger.
Paul Hudson 2002 all over again. No thank you!
Support the bloody club!!! If he joins, get behind him! Gee I hate it when supporters threaten not to get a membership. Support the club FFS :thumbsdown
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What's there to laugh about?
this entire Trade/FA period is turning into comedy capers down at Punt Road
Just got to laugh :snidegrin
Yep!
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What's there to laugh about?
this entire Trade/FA period is turning into comedy capers down at Punt Road
Just got to laugh :snidegrin
It's even funnier on the forums
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What's there to laugh about?
this entire Trade/FA period is turning into comedy capers down at Punt Road
Just got to laugh :snidegrin
It's even funnier on the forums
Ain't that the truth :lol
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We understand that Steve Johnson is weighing up a playing/coaching offer from GWS.
https://twitter.com/BrettAndersonIF