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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on May 02, 2016, 12:37:36 PM
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Richmond GM of Football Dan Richardson discusses the Tigers poor start to the season, and defends their overall strategy.
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Tigers 'paying the price' for recruit strategy
AFL.com.au
May 2, 2016
RICHMOND is "paying the price" for attempting to stuff its list rebuild under Damien Hardwick with mature-age recruits, football manager Dan Richardson says.
Richardson told SEN radio on Monday that when Hardwick took over as senior coach at the end of 2009 Richmond had decided it could not afford an eight-year rebuild.
After opening the 2010 season with nine straight losses, Hardwick led Richmond back to the finals in 2013 for the first time in 11 years.
The Tigers' revival came on the back of a recruitment strategy that saw the club bolster its list with mature-age recruits such as Shaun Grigg, Bachar Houli, Ivan Maric, Troy Chaplin, Chris Knights, Aaron Edwards, Ricky Petterd, Orren Stephenson and Sam Lonergan.
Over the next three years, they added Shaun Hampson, Nathan Gordon, Sam Lloyd, Todd Banfield, Matt Thomas, Anthony Miles, Taylor Hunt, Andrew Moore, Kane Lambert, Jacob Townsend and Chris Yarran.
Richardson said it had been "a terrific achievement" for Richmond to make the finals in Hardwick's four years at the helm, but acknowledged the Tigers' list management strategy had been a factor in the club's slow start to 2016.
"We couldn't take eight years to rebuild. We needed to become competitive a bit quicker than that. But at that time all the best talent basically for the next four to five years was going to be going north (to Gold Coast and Greater Western Sydney)," Richardson said.
"We're seeing the likes of GWS reap the rewards of that now. Our strategy wasn't just to go to the draft like a lot of clubs did because we knew that would probably take six to eight years and we've seen that with the likes of Melbourne.
"We didn't think Richmond fans would accept an eight-year rebuild. We turned it around in four, which I think was a terrific achievement.
"We're paying a price in the sense that we knew that that mature-age talent would get us to a point but not take us to the next level, which was always going to be the hardest part.
"While it's been disappointing somewhat to not win a final, it's been a good achievement to play finals for three years in a row for the first time for 20 years for the club."
Richardson acknowledged everyone at Punt Road was frustrated by the club's 1-5 start to 2016, but he was confident that 2014 draftees Corey Ellis (pick No.12), Connor Menadue (pick No.33) and 2015 pick Daniel Rioli (No.15) would be "really good long-term players".
"We certainly knew that to go to the next level we needed to get some young talent into the club and we've done that with our list over the last few years, and ultimately hopefully (we can) top up with some other A-grade talent," Richardson said.
Richardson was also optimistic that Yarran could still be "a good long-term player for the club" despite the former Blue's injury-plagued start to his career at Punt Road.
Yarran had foot surgery in March after failing to recover from plantar fasciitis over the pre-season.
Richardson said Yarran's foot was fully recovered and he had completed two weeks of "reasonable running sessions".
The Tigers footy boss did not nominate a likely return date for Yarran but expected he would resume "ball work and more football-related training" in the next few weeks.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-05-02/richmond-paying-the-price-for-recruiting-strategy-says-football-manager
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Why do they even bother?
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Fans won't accept a long rebuild
But fans will accept a pack of list blocking duds?
Morons
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Yeah na
We were going to rebuild the list after the Wallace era but you see cause of the expansion clubs it's all too hard so we got a heap of list blockers to try roll into 8th/9th
Some heaps of other clubs were able to continue developing with eye to a potential flag but we thought stuff it. Me and Dimmas mates all top blokes
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Thank goodness i had parked the car when he made is "the fams wouldn't have accepted an 8 year rebuild" comment
What an absolute cop out and insult.
We deserve better than having to carry the can for the clubs mistakes :banghead
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Thank goodness i had parked the car when he made is "the fams wouldn't have accepted an 8 year rebuild" comment
What an absolute cop out and insult.
We deserve better than having to carry the can for the clubs mistakes :banghead
Yes
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Thank goodness i had parked the car when he made is "the fams wouldn't have accepted an 8 year rebuild" comment
What an absolute cop out and insult.
We deserve better than having to carry the can for the clubs mistakes :banghead
Vote with your arse.
Stop going to games.
Everybody !!
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Thank goodness i had parked the car when he made is "the fams wouldn't have accepted an 8 year rebuild" comment
What an absolute cop out and insult.
We deserve better than having to carry the can for the clubs mistakes :banghead
Vote with your arse.
Stop going to games.
Everybody !!
Cancel auto renew membership too with a strongly worded letter me thinks also
The club says and does a lot lf Shyte but as Wp says today's effort is just per weak
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Stop going to games.
Everybody !!
Cant do that Ox catch up with a dear friend every home game.
She's 80 and the footy is her thing. I wont do that to her
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Wait - so first they reckon the don't listen to the "vocal minorty" or let all the external chatter influence their decisons...and now they're basically trying to say the strategies of the past 7 years have been dictated by what the fans might think?
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Wait - so first they reckon the don't listen to the "vocal minorty" and let all the external chatter influence their decisons...and now they're basically saying the strategies of the past 7 years have been dictated by what the fans might think?
Thats how i took it, hence why i was relieved i had parked the car. I've only had it a fortnight, could of damaged it if i was still driving listening to the "fans wouldnt accept" crap
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So desperate to cover their own arses and not accept any blame, they've effectively resorted to blaming the supporters....
Yep - 70,000 members, Fighting Tiger Fund, highest attendances in the AFL.....what a selfish bunch of greedy, demanding pricks we are.....
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Thank goodness i had parked the car when he made is "the fams wouldn't have accepted an 8 year rebuild" comment
What an absolute cop out and insult.
We deserve better than having to carry the can for the clubs mistakes :banghead
Vote with your arse.
Stop going to games.
Everybody !!
:thumbsup
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So desperate to cover their own arses and not accept any blame, they've effectively resorted to blaming the supporters....
Yep - 70,000 members, Fighting Tiger Fund, highest attendances in the AFL.....what a selfish bunch of greedy, demanding pricks we are.....
Not to mention that clubs like the Bulldogs, Norf and now Melbourne & St Kilda all have chosen recruiting paths that take time without shortcuts and yet all have significantly smaller supporter bases.
Why state no short cuts in 2010 and change tact a year later?
Unprofessional, internally lost deluded club.
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Thank goodness i had parked the car when he made is "the fams wouldn't have accepted an 8 year rebuild" comment
What an absolute cop out and insult.
We deserve better than having to carry the can for the clubs mistakes :banghead
Vote with your arse.
Stop going to games.
Everybody !!
:thumbsup
x2
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So desperate to cover their own arses and not accept any blame, they've effectively resorted to blaming the supporters....
Yep - 70,000 members, Fighting Tiger Fund, highest attendances in the AFL.....what a selfish bunch of greedy, demanding pricks we are.....
Not to mention that clubs like the Bulldogs, Norf and now Melbourne & St Kilda all have chosen recruiting paths that take time without shortcuts and yet all have significantly smaller supporter bases.
Why state no short cuts in 2010 and change tact a year later?
Unprofessional, internally lost deluded club.
We're the cautionary tale of the competition, providing all the other clubs with a template of how not to run an AFL club - all they need to do is simply ask themselves "What would Richmond do?", then just do the opposite....
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Would you get this from any other club?
I can't even summons the energy to argue with my trolling mates this afternoon after this. Shouldn't have a job with condescending bullish!t like this Dan.
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blair hartley is a bastard
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Thank goodness i had parked the car when he made is "the fams wouldn't have accepted an 8 year rebuild" comment
What an absolute cop out and insult.
We deserve better than having to carry the can for the clubs mistakes :banghead
Yep. Pardon my french but stuff Richardson, Hartley and anyone involved who agreed.
ABSOLUTE DISGRACE
Holy poo
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Thank goodness i had parked the car when he made is "the fams wouldn't have accepted an 8 year rebuild" comment
What an absolute cop out and insult.
We deserve better than having to carry the can for the clubs mistakes :banghead
Vote with your arse.
Stop going to games.
Everybody !!
:thumbsup
x2
stuff em. X3
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X4 pricks
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FFS this poo just makes me angry
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:lol :lol He's stuffing right though
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Really shows our footy department has no idea and this clown needs to go along with them.Been at the club since 2012,ok I give the club some le way those early years when suns and giants had the draft but tell me what happen last year picking up Townsend,Moore and Yarran the year before Hampson and Hunt the list goes on.To much exuses and spin.
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:lol :lol He's stuffing right though
Lmao.
What club takes 8 years to rebuild. Hahahaha
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:lol :lol He's stuffing right though
Lmao.
What club takes 8 years to rebuild. Hahahaha
Melbourne
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That's 15 .
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Really shows our footy department has no idea and this clown needs to go along with them.Been at the club since 2012,ok I give the club some le way those early years when suns and giants had the draft but tell me what happen last year picking up Townsend,Moore and Yarran the year before Hampson and Hunt the list goes on.To much exuses and spin.
I thought he started in Feb 2013......
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How does Dan Richardson get to the position that he holds in beyond belief
Hartley as well
Well it's Richmond after all
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Tigers footy boss in dawn dip
Michael Gleeson
The Age
5 May 2016
Richmond football boss Dan Richardson joined the Tigers players in a dawn dip in the bay this week as the club tried to bond after a difficult week and start to the season.
The early morning walk in the water at Kerferd Rd, South Melbourne, came after at least one of Richmond's so called top-up players, wingman Shaun Grigg, went to see Richardson on Tuesday for clarification on his position at the club after comments about recycled players Richmond had brought in.
It is understood a number of Richmond's mature recruits were troubled by comments from the club about trading in mature players and were concerned about where the comments left them.
"Yeah I went in the water with the players. It was simply one in all in," Richardson said.
"I took it upon myself to go in with them after I heard they had organised one themselves not because anyone had done anything especially wrong, but they thought it would be a good thing for them to do and I just thought why not? I'll join them, it was one in all in .... I got a good welcome from the boys."
Richardson said he had discussions with Grigg this week but the decision to join the players in wading into the bay on Wednesday morning was not related to that conversation.
"That was unconnected. I have discussions with players all the time about where they sit so that was fine. I had a chat to Shaun but that as not unusual. He knows that, especially in the form he is in at the moment, he is an important player for us," he said.
Richardson said in a radio interview on Monday the club was paying the price for having recruited a blend of mature players and drafted in young talent several years ago.
The comments were intended to reference the fact the rebuilding of the club's list had coincided with the dilution of the draft pool through the arrival of the two new expansion teams and so out of necessity they needed to blend older and younger talent.
Richardson is understood to have been thinking of mature players who had been brought in but already left the club and the elite players the club had been denied access to who were now performing well for the Giants and Suns when he made the radio comments.
"We couldn't take eight years to rebuild. We needed to become competitive a bit quicker than that. But at that time all the best talent basically for the next four to five years was going to be going north [to Gold Coast and Greater Western Sydney]," Richardson said on SEN.
"We're seeing the likes of GWS reap the rewards of that now. Our strategy wasn't just to go to the draft like a lot of clubs did because we knew that would probably take six to eight years and we've seen that with the likes of Melbourne.
"We didn't think Richmond fans would accept an eight-year rebuild. We turned it around in four, which I think was a terrific achievement.
"We're paying a price in the sense that we knew that that mature-age talent would get us to a point but not take us to the next level, which was always going to be the hardest part. While it's been disappointing somewhat to not win a final, it's been a good achievement to play finals for three years in a row for the first time for 20 years for the club."
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/richmond-tigers/richmond-v-hawthorn-tigers-football-boss-dan-richardson-joins-players-in-dawn-bay-dip-20160505-gon5b7.html
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Tigers footy boss in dawn dip
Michael Gleeson
The Age
5 May 2016
Richmond football boss Dan Richardson joined the Tigers players in a dawn dip in the bay this week as the club tried to bond after a difficult week and start to the season.
The early morning walk in the water at Kerferd Rd, South Melbourne, came after at least one of Richmond's so called top-up players, wingman Shaun Grigg, went to see Richardson on Tuesday for clarification on his position at the club after comments about recycled players Richmond had brought in.
It is understood a number of Richmond's mature recruits were troubled by comments from the club about trading in mature players and were concerned about where the comments left them.
he is an important player for us," he said.
now grigg the superstar is not happy and wants to voice his concerns. Im with bents this guy can get stuffed.
the stuffin dud of all duds thinks he can question the clubs comments.
seriously Get the stuff Outta Here
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:banghead
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Tigers footy boss in dawn dip
Michael Gleeson
The Age
5 May 2016
Richmond football boss Dan Richardson joined the Tigers players in a dawn dip in the bay this week as the club tried to bond after a difficult week and start to the season.
The early morning walk in the water at Kerferd Rd, South Melbourne, came after at least one of Richmond's so called top-up players, wingman Shaun Grigg, went to see Richardson on Tuesday for clarification on his position at the club after comments about recycled players Richmond had brought in.
It is understood a number of Richmond's mature recruits were troubled by comments from the club about trading in mature players and were concerned about where the comments left them.
he is an important player for us," he said.
now grigg the superstar is not happy and wants to voice his concerns. Im with bents this guy can get stuffed.
the stuffin dud of all duds thinks he can question the clubs comments.
seriously Get the stuff Outta Here
Better watch out, ol Griggster will bring the cavalry (Lids) - Dan the man doesnt stand a chance
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Hacks like Grigg, Houli, B.Ellis, Conca, Griffiths, Batchelor & Hamspud will be here while ever clowns like Richardson, Hartley & Half-Step Hardwick are running the show....
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https://www.beyondblue.org.au
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Chaplin will probably get another year too..... :shh
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i was about to write i dont believe it, but then i just though about our joke of a club and yep bookmark it.
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I feel a bit better
Learning old man dan Richardson went or a swim in the bay with te players
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Richmond GM of Football Dan Richardson discusses the Tigers poor start to the season, and defends their overall strategy.
AUDIO: https://audioboom.com/boos/4507860-richmond-gm-of-football-dan-richardson-on-breakfast
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"We couldn't take eight years to rebuild. We needed to become competitive a bit quicker than that. But at that time all the best talent basically for the next four to five years was going to be going north (to Gold Coast and Greater Western Sydney)," Richardson said.
"We're seeing the likes of GWS reap the rewards of that now. Our strategy wasn't just to go to the draft like a lot of clubs did because we knew that would probably take six to eight years and we've seen that with the likes of Melbourne.
"We didn't think Richmond fans would accept an eight-year rebuild. We turned it around in four, which I think was a terrific achievement.
"We're paying a price in the sense that we knew that that mature-age talent would get us to a point but not take us to the next level, which was always going to be the hardest part.
"While it's been disappointing somewhat to not win a final, it's been a good achievement to play finals for three years in a row for the first time for 20 years for the club."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-05-02/richmond-paying-the-price-for-recruiting-strategy-says-football-manager
And now on juck time the pathetic becomes embarrassing
Actuallyit shows us up for what we actually are...a disgraceful, dishonest football club
This is trolling mate
But yeah welcome to three years ago
It's only starting to hit some now how putrid we are. The rest of us led by the great claw, realised it when we lost to the blues, and the subsequent response in the first few rounds of the next year
And some of us were hit with infractions for posting content that was perceived as 'too negative' after many complaints from other posters.
The same posters who now agree. You know who you are.
Perhaps it's a lesson for all involved.
On the final 4 lines. Not that I've ever complained as debating a different view should be a key part of any forum but I'd argue that your view has been consistent for a couple of years.
We finished 5th last year and it was a good year without being great.
I'd argue on balance that any poster who disagreed with you until this year could do so with credibility and in fact win that debate in the eyes of others if not yours.
Waiting until we fail doesn't make you right in hindsight.
There is no lesson to be learned here.
It's just grandstanding to say otherwise.
Having posted the above, I'd acknowledge you've made a number of valid views this year which I've agreed with - partly because of club performance, partly because of the way they've been constructed.
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Thank goodness i had parked the car when he made is "the fams wouldn't have accepted an 8 year rebuild" comment
What an absolute cop out and insult.
We deserve better than having to carry the can for the clubs mistakes :banghead
Vote with your arse.
Stop going to games.
Everybody !!
:thumbsup
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People r clearly doing this.
Crowds 6k down.
Well done, Peoples.
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Weak pricks
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Thank goodness i had parked the car when he made is "the fams wouldn't have accepted an 8 year rebuild" comment
What an absolute cop out and insult.
We deserve better than having to carry the can for the clubs mistakes :banghead
Vote with your arse.
Stop going to games.
Everybody !!
:thumbsup
x2
People r clearly doing this.
Crowds 6k down.
Well done, Peoples.
Yep and I'm one and I tell you it's great. You actually care less about this joke of a club by doing something else worthwhile.
2 games this year and one I left at half time.
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I go every week
Can tell you the club really don't care if you turn up or not
They have over 70,000 members
Why pay for something and don't attend
Most idiotic thing I have heard of
Will be there again at Etihad next Sat night
Booked away game seats at start of the year
Go Tiges
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yo dont think they will care when they dont get anywhere 70k members next year?
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Rubbish they care
I downgraded so what's a few hundred and I have an AFL which I use to go to the GF. Also cancelled my rioli.
I Would spend that anyway attending a handful of games which is the maximum time I would allow myself to watch these losers
Weekends are better spent elsewhere than wasting my time on this current group of losers running this club
you enjoy dimwit and his bunch of croonies though :thumbsup
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I go every week
Can tell you the club really don't care if you turn up or not
They have over 70,000 members
Why pay for something and don't attend
Most idiotic thing I have heard of
Will be there again at Etihad next Sat night
Booked away game seats at start of the year
Go Tiges
They care big time, sponsorship raises more $ than membership and when the sponsors see that the members have lost faith with the club the club hierarchy get nervous.
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I go every week
Can tell you the club really don't care if you turn up or not
They have over 70,000 members
Why pay for something and don't attend
Most idiotic thing I have heard of
Will be there again at Etihad next Sat night
Booked away game seats at start of the year
Go Tiges
Lol
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I go every week
Can tell you the club really don't care if you turn up or not
They have over 70,000 members
Why pay for something and don't attend
Most idiotic thing I have heard of
Will be there again at Etihad next Sat night
Booked away game seats at start of the year
Go Tiges
Pretty stupid thing to say Jack.
The thing is next year people won't pay because they don't intend on attending.
I for one will think long and hard before handing over anymore "hard earned"
My days of "supporting this club blindly" are gone. The same old idiots making the same old mistakes. If JF is at the club there is no way in hell I'd give them a cent.
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I go every week
Can tell you the club really don't care if you turn up or not
They have over 70,000 members
Why pay for something and don't attend
Most idiotic thing I have heard of
Will be there again at Etihad next Sat night
Booked away game seats at start of the year
Go Tiges
Extremely short sighted of you. Gee whiz
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Seriously ?
Why pay for something and not go
You might as well go
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It's called taking a moral stand.
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Seriously ?
Why pay for something and not go
You might as well go
Have some integrity
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yo dont think they will care when they dont get anywhere 70k members next year?
Exactly
They care, they are concerned and to think otherwise is either incredibly short sighted or naive. .take your pick
As yandb mentioned loe crowds, low membership impacts on other things
So they are concerned and so they should be
And big tone who is JF? :huh3
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yo dont think they will care when they dont get anywhere 70k members next year?
Exactly
They care, they are concerned and to think otherwise is either incredibly short sighted or naive. .take your pick
As yandb mentioned loe crowds, low membership impacts on other things
So they are concerned and so they should be
And big tone who is JF? :huh3
I think he meant FJ rather than JFK! :lol
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See its all you darksiders who are so impatient and come on here and blah blah blah that ruins it for the rest of us. How dare you hold the club to ransom after 12 coaches and three finals wins since our last flag in 1980. Where is the faith?
Are we St Kilda, or Footscray supporters?
The club knows what they are doing and for those you who think that history is repeating well let me tell you that it's not. We have made finals the last three years. Which coach since 1980 can say that.
None.
The board and DR have every right to blame you all.
For every failure we achieve means we are just that little bit closer to success.
Faith people.
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yo dont think they will care when they dont get anywhere 70k members next year?
Exactly
They care, they are concerned and to think otherwise is either incredibly short sighted or naive. .take your pick
As yandb mentioned loe crowds, low membership impacts on other things
So they are concerned and so they should be
And big tone who is JF? :huh3
:lol
FJ
But I'm pretty sure you knew that as you know my feelings on this FW.
Do you know what FW means?
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Dams argument doesn't hold water. Sydney built from the middle. We've just drafted badly. Maric etc al are not the problem. The problem is the young talent isn't replacing them.
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Dams argument doesn't hold water. Sydney built from the middle. We've just drafted badly. Maric etc al are not the problem. The problem is the young talent isn't replacing them.
Sydney got more salary cap than Victorian teams
Franklin. Tippet. They hae exploited it beautifully.
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Dams argument doesn't hold water. Sydney built from the middle. We've just drafted badly. Maric etc al are not the problem. The problem is the young talent isn't replacing them.
Hardwick has a poor record of developing young talent, he prefers recycled talent.
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Seriously ?
Why pay for something and not go
You might as well go
This is exactly what i have been doing.
More than likely I will take your advice and keep my money in my pocket next year
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Seriously ?
Why pay for something and not go
You might as well go
This is exactly what i have been doing.
More than likely I will take your advice and keep my money in my pocket next year
you and a fair few others Im tipping - especially if they start signing up spuds like Vickery
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Seriously ?
Why pay for something and not go
You might as well go
This is exactly what i have been doing.
More than likely I will take your advice and keep my money in my pocket next year
you and a fair few others Im tipping - especially if they start signing up spuds like Vickery
You guys should remember you are the reason the club sucks.
Could have had a flag buy oh no you wanted finals in four years
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I want another rebuild!!!!
But I can't wait 5+ yrs for a flag, I want shortcuts and some finals appearances earlier bc I'm a dumb supporter and demand it!!!
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I want another rebuild!!!!
But I can't wait 5+ yrs for a flag, I want shortcuts and some finals appearances earlier bc I'm a dumb supporter and demand it!!!
The whole joint needs a clean out from the coaches, to the recruiters, to the president, to half the list (and I'm not joking about that) and this idiot Dan Richardson.
But how many changes will actually occur come years end??
How many trades will we make?
Most likely the standard few retirements and standard few rookies. With maybe Vickery. That will be it.
And come 2017 they will be peddling the same old poo.
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It's funny this who rubbish from D.R what decisions were made over the last 2 years to fast track anything? Can't recall any trade or free agency to try and please the ruthless unforgiving fans what so ever. Idiot Richardson
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Maybe the only man we've heard say the truth.... :shh
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Maybe the only man we've heard say the truth.... :shh
if you believe that you are more dillusional than him.
Most on here with half a brain knew we were headed for no mans land after losing to carlton and perhaps even before that with decisions like matty thomas and 3 years to that dud knights.
They chose the monkeyball route because they simply dont have a clue how to recruit a descent player. That in their eyes was a shortcut to success, as hackson and his mates are the most pathetic recruiters in the business
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Maybe the only man we've heard say the truth.... :shh
if you believe that you are more dillusional than him.
Most on here with half a brain knew we were headed for no mans land after losing to carlton and perhaps even before that with decisions like matty thomas and 3 years to that dud knights.
They chose the monkeyball route because they simply dont have a clue how to recruit a descent player. That in their eyes was a shortcut to success, as hackson and his mates are the most pathetic recruiters in the business
Have you ever considered that they only tried to be competitive as they felt to get better talent they would have to finish down the bottom?
I'm not saying this is or was right at all. I'm just saying that they were deluded and thought they might do what Sydney did 10 years ago very successfully.
The point is the game has moved on. You need fast skilled players complementing elite inside ball winners and an attacking game plan. Recycled and rejected rubbish was never going to get you there.
Dan's comments paint a club that was too scared to make the hard calls which meant possibly taking longer to get to success. They were obsessed in trying to get as close as possible to their 3-0-75 target to avoid humiliation.
I actually think he reflected this mentality with his comments.
So believing them does not mean I'm delusional. I actually think not believing them means that.
I don't think the club at the time thought it couldn't recruit. Think about it. If they thought that FJ would have been shown the door. They were deluded in thinking they had a great recruiter and list manager (Blair). You are giving them way to much credit Angus.
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Maybe the only man we've heard say the truth.... :shh
Can you show me some sort of source or proof ANY RFC members wanted to 'fast track' finals at the expense of proper list building for a flag ??
One of the strangest bloody things I've heard , and I know about weird things
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Maybe the only man we've heard say the truth.... :shh
if you believe that you are more dillusional than him.
Most on here with half a brain knew we were headed for no mans land after losing to carlton and perhaps even before that with decisions like matty thomas and 3 years to that dud knights.
They chose the monkeyball route because they simply dont have a clue how to recruit a descent player. That in their eyes was a shortcut to success, as hackson and his mates are the most pathetic recruiters in the business
Have you ever considered that they only tried to be competitive as they felt to get better talent they would have to finish down the bottom?
I'm not saying this is or was right at all. I'm just saying that they were deluded and thought they might do what Sydney did 10 years ago very successfully.
The point is the game has moved on. You need fast skilled players complementing elite inside ball winners and an attacking game plan. Recycled and rejected rubbish was never going to get you there.
Dan's comments paint a club that was too scared to make the hard calls which meant possibly taking longer to get to success. They were obsessed in trying to get as close as possible to their 3-0-75 target to avoid humiliation.
I actually think he reflected this mentality with his comments.
So believing them does not mean I'm delusional. I actually think not believing them means that.
I don't think the club at the time thought it couldn't recruit. Think about it. If they thought that FJ would have been shown the door. They were deluded in thinking they had a great recruiter and list manager (Blair). You are giving them way to much credit Angus.
It's hard to understand what you are saying.
The Sydney example is moronic as they have more cap-money significantly so
I assume you mean the had to finish mid table to get a decent free agent? That's all and well and good If you pretend the draft doesn't exist
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This forum is exhibit 'A'
We are playing the kids and everyone wants everyone executed. It is quite obvious we are having a bit of a tank and prune but everyone is losing their poo already lol
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This forum is exhibit 'A'
We are playing the kids and everyone wants everyone executed. It is quite obvious we are having a bit of a tank and prune but everyone is losing their poo already lol
With respect you are talking out of your ass (again).
95% of people are stoked RFC is finally playing kids. Some of us are skeptical as to why it taken so long and is it cause Dimmas mates are largely injured / retired rather than genuine attempts to strengthen the clubs long term interests. The rose bush is already out of control and te neighbours are horrified. Bit late to be reaching for the secateurs ?
The discussion at hand, is at DR comments and the first 50% of hardwicks time at Richmond sterling list management and motivations.
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This forum is exhibit 'A'
We are playing the kids and everyone wants everyone executed. It is quite obvious we are having a bit of a tank and prune but everyone is losing their poo already lol
:bow :bow - 👍
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"We didn't think Richmond fans would accept an eight-year rebuild. We turned it around in four, which I think was a terrific achievement.
"We're paying a price in the sense that we knew that that mature-age talent would get us to a point but not take us to the next level, which was always going to be the hardest part.
"While it's been disappointing somewhat to not win a final, it's been a good achievement to play finals for three years in a row for the first time for 20 years for the club."
Bollocks
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This forum is exhibit 'A'
We are playing the kids and everyone wants everyone executed. It is quite obvious we are having a bit of a tank and prune but everyone is losing their poo already lol
nothing to do with the kids stop trying to make this an issue we have them. Tank and prune for hackson to pick our next Conca :santa :santa :santa
issue we have is for the idiots who have got us into this position. Now that after 5 years they have realized what most of us have been saying for years so they expect us to roll over and open our wallet.
FO
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This forum is exhibit 'A'
We are playing the kids and everyone wants everyone executed. It is quite obvious we are having a bit of a tank and prune but everyone is losing their poo already lol
With respect you are talking out of your ass (again).
95% of people are stoked RFC is finally playing kids. Some of us are skeptical as to why it taken so long and is it cause Dimmas mates are largely injured / retired rather than genuine attempts to strengthen the clubs long term interests. The rose bush is already out of control and te neighbours are horrified. Bit late to be reaching for the secateurs ?
The discussion at hand, is at DR comments and the first 50% of hardwicks time at Richmond sterling list management and motivations.
spot on Joseph - sorry hooter but wtf are you on about? Most are wrapt the kids are finally being played. The only ones the fans on here want executed are dimmer, his cronies and love children aka grigg, bellis & co
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"We didn't think Richmond fans would accept an eight-year rebuild. We turned it around in four, which I think was a terrific achievement.
"We're paying a price in the sense that we knew that that mature-age talent would get us to a point but not take us to the next level, which was always going to be the hardest part.
"While it's been disappointing somewhat to not win a final, it's been a good achievement to play finals for three years in a row for the first time for 20 years for the club."
Bollocks
The Dogs turned it around in 1 season and were down and out the same time we were during the compromised drafts :shh
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"We didn't think Richmond fans would accept an eight-year rebuild. We turned it around in four, which I think was a terrific achievement.
"We're paying a price in the sense that we knew that that mature-age talent would get us to a point but not take us to the next level, which was always going to be the hardest part.
"While it's been disappointing somewhat to not win a final, it's been a good achievement to play finals for three years in a row for the first time for 20 years for the club."
Bollocks
The Dogs turned it around in 1 season and were down and out the same time we were during the compromised drafts :shh
dont open that old chestnut wayne, ybb will be onto you in a flash telling you how lucky the doggies were to land about 6 players :lol
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"We didn't think Richmond fans would accept an eight-year rebuild. We turned it around in four, which I think was a terrific achievement.
"We're paying a price in the sense that we knew that that mature-age talent would get us to a point but not take us to the next level, which was always going to be the hardest part.
"While it's been disappointing somewhat to not win a final, it's been a good achievement to play finals for three years in a row for the first time for 20 years for the club."
Bollocks
The Dogs turned it around in 1 season and were down and out the same time we were during the compromised drafts :shh
dont open that old chestnut wayne, ybb will be onto you in a flash telling you how lucky the doggies were to land about 6 players :lol
They were fortunate. Fortune favours the brave! :lol
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Maybe the only man we've heard say the truth.... :shh
Can you show me some sort of source or proof ANY RFC members wanted to 'fast track' finals at the expense of proper list building for a flag ??
One of the strangest bloody things I've heard , and I know about weird things
Some may not have explicitly said it but you surely don't believe the majority of supporters would hang around if we were poo in 2013 and 2014 and only started making progress in 2015 at best.
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Maybe the only man we've heard say the truth.... :shh
Can you show me some sort of source or proof ANY RFC members wanted to 'fast track' finals at the expense of proper list building for a flag ??
One of the strangest bloody things I've heard , and I know about weird things
Some may not have explicitly said it but you surely don't believe the majority of supporters would hang around if we were poo in 2013 and 2014 and only started making progress in 2015 at best.
90% of the littles on here would have had a permanent meltdown if that was the case
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Maybe the only man we've heard say the truth.... :shh
Can you show me some sort of source or proof ANY RFC members wanted to 'fast track' finals at the expense of proper list building for a flag ??
One of the strangest bloody things I've heard , and I know about weird things
Some may not have explicitly said it but you surely don't believe the majority of supporters would hang around if we were poo in 2013 and 2014 and only started making progress in 2015 at best.
The clubs being going since 1885
I'm not convinced what saved Richmond was instead of playing youth that might of been an assit now and in the future we found it vital to instead give games to McGaune Jackson pettard king knights grigg Newman Orren Thomas Hampson Gordon
IMHO dan is full of shizen
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Maybe the only man we've heard say the truth.... :shh
Can you show me some sort of source or proof ANY RFC members wanted to 'fast track' finals at the expense of proper list building for a flag ??
One of the strangest bloody things I've heard , and I know about weird things
Some may not have explicitly said it but you surely don't believe the majority of supporters would hang around if we were poo in 2013 and 2014 and only started making progress in 2015 at best.
90% of the littles on here would have had a permanent meltdown if that was the case
And you'd have a poster of Marcus Bontempelli on your bedroom wall
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Maybe the only man we've heard say the truth.... :shh
Can you show me some sort of source or proof ANY RFC members wanted to 'fast track' finals at the expense of proper list building for a flag ??
One of the strangest bloody things I've heard , and I know about weird things
Some may not have explicitly said it but you surely don't believe the majority of supporters would hang around if we were poo in 2013 and 2014 and only started making progress in 2015 at best.
90% of the littles on here would have had a permanent meltdown if that was the case
And you'd have a poster of Marcus Bontempelli on your bedroom wall
I already do
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Maybe the only man we've heard say the truth.... :shh
Can you show me some sort of source or proof ANY RFC members wanted to 'fast track' finals at the expense of proper list building for a flag ??
One of the strangest bloody things I've heard , and I know about weird things
Some may not have explicitly said it but you surely don't believe the majority of supporters would hang around if we were poo in 2013 and 2014 and only started making progress in 2015 at best.
90% of the littles on here would have had a permanent meltdown if that was the case
And you'd have a poster of Marcus Bontempelli on your bedroom wall
I already do
:lol :clapping
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This forum is exhibit 'A'
We are playing the kids and everyone wants everyone executed. It is quite obvious we are having a bit of a tank and prune but everyone is losing their poo already lol
With respect you are talking out of your ass (again).
95% of people are stoked RFC is finally playing kids. Some of us are skeptical as to why it taken so long and is it cause Dimmas mates are largely injured / retired rather than genuine attempts to strengthen the clubs long term interests. The rose bush is already out of control and te neighbours are horrified. Bit late to be reaching for the secateurs ?
The discussion at hand, is at DR comments and the first 50% of hardwicks time at Richmond sterling list management and motivations.
spot on Joseph - sorry hooter but wtf are you on about? Most are wrapt the kids are finally being played. The only ones the fans on here want executed are dimmer, his cronies and love children aka grigg, bellis & co
I stick by my conviction that most people would be going berko if we went into a full rebuild and were getting pasted the last three years, we are dipping this year, lots of injuries, working out who the drastics are, and people are losing their poo
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Maybe the only man we've heard say the truth.... :shh
Can you show me some sort of source or proof ANY RFC members wanted to 'fast track' finals at the expense of proper list building for a flag ??
One of the strangest bloody things I've heard , and I know about weird things
Some may not have explicitly said it but you surely don't believe the majority of supporters would hang around if we were poo in 2013 and 2014 and only started making progress in 2015 at best.
90% of the littles on here would have had a permanent meltdown if that was the case
And you'd have a poster of Marcus Bontempelli on your bedroom wall
I already do
:lol :clapping
:lol
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This forum is exhibit 'A'
We are playing the kids and everyone wants everyone executed. It is quite obvious we are having a bit of a tank and prune but everyone is losing their poo already lol
With respect you are talking out of your ass (again).
95% of people are stoked RFC is finally playing kids. Some of us are skeptical as to why it taken so long and is it cause Dimmas mates are largely injured / retired rather than genuine attempts to strengthen the clubs long term interests. The rose bush is already out of control and te neighbours are horrified. Bit late to be reaching for the secateurs ?
The discussion at hand, is at DR comments and the first 50% of hardwicks time at Richmond sterling list management and motivations.
spot on Joseph - sorry hooter but wtf are you on about? Most are wrapt the kids are finally being played. The only ones the fans on here want executed are dimmer, his cronies and love children aka grigg, bellis & co
I stick by my conviction that most people would be going berko if we went into a full rebuild and were getting pasted the last three years, we are dipping this year, lots of injuries, working out who the drastics are, and people are losing their poo
Cause losing to 9th place Carlton in a final was just wonderful?
How about the several people wanting to tank?
I reckon you lot would of got over it pretty quick with an Angus brayshaw on board
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A rebuild doesn't take 10 years. We actually started the hardwick era off well recruiting and playing kids and playing a good brand of football. We were heading in the right direction but then took a completely wrong turn in 2012 2013. The EF appearances were false dawns but the club couldn't see this and persisted with this approach. The notion that they planned a quick rebuild from the start is Bulls hit. They changed course 2 to 3 years and couldn't see the course they took wasn't sustainable.
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A rebuild doesn't take 10 years. We actually started the hardwick era off well recruiting and playing kids and playing a good brand of football. We were heading in the right direction but then took a completely wrong turn in 2012 2013. The EF appearances were false dawns but the club couldn't see this and persisted with this approach. The notion that they planned a quick rebuild from the start is Bulls hit. They changed course 2 to 3 years and couldn't see the course they took wasn't sustainable.
The issue is they fell in love with the money ball players - Chaplin. Grigg. Houli. Morris types
Instead of looking at continual improvement.
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Problem was the fans losing their poo in 2011 and 2012 despite being 1-2 years into a rebuild :lol
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LOL . I dunno what we could of done though, they went moneyball with the compromised draft and we are basically back to where we were in the first place after the heady heights of ...three consecutive finals instant knockouts. stuffing AFL. Our timing stinks. Remember we bottomed out when they changed the priority pick rules too LOL dipped out then as well.
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I like how they changed the father-son rule two drafts before we finally have our first promising father-son prospects in 20 years because Fathead bitched about the northern club's academies....as if the southern clubs have a production line of gun father-son prospects coming through every year comparable to the academies....even the clubs that have been the luckiest with father-sons, like say Geelong and more recently Footscray, have only really got a batch of 4-5 top players from it over a decade...and usually in just out of one or two drafts...
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Problem was the fans losing their poo in 2011 and 2012 despite being 1-2 years into a rebuild :lol
Yeah it's the fans fault daniel...
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Problem was the fans losing their poo in 2011 and 2012 despite being 1-2 years into a rebuild :lol
:thumbsdown
Yep, the most loyal stuffing fans in the league are the issue here...
And were we losing our poo at that stage? I remember most of us being fairly accepting of a new rebuild.
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Problem was the fans losing their poo in 2011 and 2012 despite being 1-2 years into a rebuild :lol
:thumbsdown
Yep, the most loyal stuffing fans in the league are the issue here...
And were we losing our poo at that stage? I remember most of us being fairly accepting of a new rebuild.
If anything it was the glass half full types. Gave the confidence to the club that we werent far off a premiership
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bs, he is telling the truth! You guys were bitching then and you are bitching now and you would be bitching in between! don't kid yourselves!
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bs, he is telling the truth! You guys were bitching then and you are bitching now and you would be bitching in between! don't kid yourselves!
:thumbsup
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bs, he is telling the truth! You guys were bitching then and you are bitching now and you would be bitching in between! don't kid yourselves!
There is a lot wrong with that post.
Even if we were bitching back then (which I don't agree with), are you seriously suggesting that unrest in small sections of the fanbase is justification for these well-paid administrators to lead the club down an unsasitanbale and ultimately unsuccessful path?
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bs, he is telling the truth! You guys were bitching then and you are bitching now and you would be bitching in between! don't kid yourselves!
No triggering people please. This is supposed to be a safe space.
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bs, he is telling the truth! You guys were bitching then and you are bitching now and you would be bitching in between! don't kid yourselves!
No triggering people please. This is supposed to be a safe space.
:lol
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bs, he is telling the truth! You guys were bitching then and you are bitching now and you would be bitching in between! don't kid yourselves!
The same club that make key decisions based on being afraid of newspapers and sen- make list managment calls based on a few toothless feral bogans apparently.
Well I can't say I'm surprised
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Its ironic reading this thread and realizing the famous OER "Sack Hardwick " thread has been going strong since July 2012.
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Was never convinced by the "moneyball" approach...or Blair's execution of it at least, never rated Hackson as a recruiter , was always frustrated that we never traded back into the draft - so my concerns over list management have always been there from day one.....2012 started to see signs that Halfstep was perhaps not all we hoped....but probably gave him the benefit of the doubt until 2013 EF....though couldn't shake the feeling we were winning in spite of things, not because of them...definitely wanted him gone after the corresponding match the following year and he should've been.... then his selections, match-ups and tactics for the 2015 EF made it a matter of urgency....
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Its ironic reading this thread and realizing the famous OER "Sack Hardwick " thread has been going strong since July 2012.
The Rose coloured glass fundamentalists would have a melt down at critical comments back then
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Its ironic reading this thread and realizing the famous OER "Sack Hardwick " thread has been going strong since July 2012.
What's your point?
Are you suggesting that because a few punters on an internet forum never rated Dimma, RFC administrators should be absolved of any responsibility for our current situation? Were these guys receiving death threats or something?
Whatever your thoughts on Dimma or our current plight, I simply cant understand how anyone could possibly defend these appointed PROFESSIONALS blaming fans for their own stuff ups.
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Its ironic reading this thread and realizing the famous OER "Sack Hardwick " thread has been going strong since July 2012.
Ironically Matty, they have been proven to be right.
Ironically, you were amongst the very last to jump off his bandwagon a mere 2-3 months ago.
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Its ironic reading this thread and realizing the famous OER "Sack Hardwick " thread has been going strong since July 2012.
What's your point?
Are you suggesting that because a few punters on an internet forum never rated Dimma, RFC administrators should be absolved of any responsibility for our current situation? Were these guys receiving death threats or something?
Whatever your thoughts on Dimma or our current plight, I simply cant understand how anyone could possibly defend these appointed PROFESSIONALS blaming fans for their own stuff ups.
Even better that those responsible send someone who wasn't there at the time, out to make the comments and cop all the stuff
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Problem was the fans losing their poo in 2011 and 2012 despite being 1-2 years into a rebuild :lol
Look at the carnage you have created :facepalm
Shame on you
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I agree with a lot of what a lot of you say regarding players and moneyball etc but we have to be honest with ourselves as well
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we are being honest - apart from one or two class clowns, the majority wouldve been stuff you and yeahright are overplaying this one
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Its ironic reading this thread and realizing the famous OER "Sack Hardwick " thread has been going strong since July 2012.
:lol Thank you, you beat me to it. Couldn't wait 2 but think the majority could wait 8 :lol
What's your point?
Are you suggesting that because a few punters on an internet forum never rated Dimma, RFC administrators should be absolved of any responsibility for our current situation? Were these guys receiving death threats or something?
Whatever your thoughts on Dimma or our current plight, I simply cant understand how anyone could possibly defend these appointed PROFESSIONALS blaming fans for their own stuff ups.
For me it's not about defending the clubs decision but rather laughing at the hypocrisy of a portion of a supporter base who want to hang poo on Dan the man for speaking the truth. They can claim otherwise but proof is in the pudding. It should also be known that a lot of people in here are more loyal than a lot of supporters outside of this forum. So just because some think in here that they would have stuck around doesn't mean the majority would.
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Its ironic reading this thread and realizing the famous OER "Sack Hardwick " thread has been going strong since July 2012.
:lol Thank you, you beat me to it. Couldn't wait 2 but think the majority could wait 8 :lol
What's your point?
Are you suggesting that because a few punters on an internet forum never rated Dimma, RFC administrators should be absolved of any responsibility for our current situation? Were these guys receiving death threats or something?
Whatever your thoughts on Dimma or our current plight, I simply cant understand how anyone could possibly defend these appointed PROFESSIONALS blaming fans for their own stuff ups.
For me it's not about defending the clubs decision but rather laughing at the hypocrisy of a portion of a supporter base who want to hang poo on Dan the man for speaking the truth. They can claim otherwise but proof is in the pudding. It should also be known that a lot of people in here are more loyal than a lot of supporters outside of this forum. So just because some think in here that they would have stuck around doesn't mean the majority would.
"speaking the truth". Man, you just eat up whatever these guys say dont you?
Again, WTF does it matter that a few people didn't like Dimma from the start?
You are pointing to a small minority on the most extreme RFC fans forum as evidence that TIGER FANS IN GENERAL wouldn't have accepted a slower rebuild....
And even if it was a loud majority (which it wasn't) and memberships were burned on mass (which they weren't), these guys are paid handsomely to set the club up for sustained success, not poo themselves over fan discontent.
Above all, they deserve to scrutinised against their results. Seems your pretty happy to let them pass the blame on to us though...
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Yeah bro I eat up everything they say, they are all perfect :lol. Get a grip. Just because I agree with him on this one doesn't mean I agree with everything they say. I also said nothing about liking/disliking Dimma from the start.
I think you've missed my point. I'm not pointing to the minority in here to use them as evidence, I am saying the opposite. As I said, most in here are loyal supporters that have been around for a long time whereas a majority of supporters are fickle and would not hang around if we were not having any slight amount of "success" (losing finals isn't success but it's "better" than not making them).
Funny. I almost put a whole bit in my previous post about them still having to wear the blame because in the end they made the call whether it was based on what they thought was best or they caved in on perceived pressure from supporters. But silly me thought 'surely Willy is mature enough to understand that I am not trying to absolve RFC of any blame but rather addressing the hypocrisy of some supporters because they can be mutually exclusive.' My bad I guess, just like how me not wanting Thompson as coach automatically means I want Dimma
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the club has been around since 1885 .. its been shyte since early 80s .. how the hell is getting uniquely embarrassed by 9th place Carlton and the the 'effort' against port what fans are hanging the hat on? while the average joe is indeed rather stupid most Victorians are savvy enough to know 1/2 the sides make the finals so its not much of anything, and are some what familiar with draft 'its good to finish low' system
Thank goodness i had parked the car when he made is "the fams wouldn't have accepted an 8 year rebuild" comment
What an absolute cop out and insult.
We deserve better than having to carry the can for the clubs mistakes :banghead
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Yeah bro I eat up everything they say, they are all perfect :lol. Get a grip. Just because I agree with him on this one doesn't mean I agree with everything they say. I also said nothing about liking/disliking Dimma from the start.
I think you've missed my point. I'm not pointing to the minority in here to use them as evidence, I am saying the opposite. As I said, most in here are loyal supporters that have been around for a long time whereas a majority of supporters are fickle and would not hang around if we were not having any slight amount of "success" (losing finals isn't success but it's "better" than not making them).
Funny. I almost put a whole bit in my previous post about them still having to wear the blame because in the end they made the call whether it was based on what they thought was best or they caved in on perceived pressure from supporters. But silly me thought 'surely Willy is mature enough to understand that I am not trying to absolve RFC of any blame but rather addressing the hypocrisy of some supporters because they can be mutually exclusive.' My bad I guess, just like how me not wanting Thompson as coach automatically means I want Dimma
Hmmm. Ok. Kinda sounded like you were defending Dan the Truth Speaker Richo, but I'll take your word for it.
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They listen to the fans in this instance but not in others ?
Lolz.
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I'd like to clarify what I meant when I said that he spoke the truth. He told us what the club was really thinking back then. It doesn't mean it was what the supporter was really thinking.
The club has lost touch with its members. It doesn't realize that the diehard supporters would have stuck through a proper rebuild. They may have lost the band wagon types but who the hell cares? Obviously they did. Obsessed with its 3-0-75 target, it took short cuts to get there at the long term success' expense.
Sorry, but the club needs to rapidly change course.
Moves are happening right now behind the scenes. A meeting last night occurred. More will come out of that. :shh
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I'd like to clarify what I meant when I said that he spoke the truth. He told us what the club was really thinking back then. It doesn't mean it was what the supporter was really thinking.
The club has lost touch with its members. It doesn't realize that the diehard supporters would have stuck through a proper rebuild. They may have lost the band wagon types but who the hell cares? Obviously they did. Obsessed with its 3-0-75 target, it took short cuts to get there at the long term success' expense.
Sorry, but the club needs to rapidly change course.
Moves are happening right now behind the scenes. A meeting last night occurred. More will come out of that. :shh
Right.
Wtf was that 3 0-75 rubbish again?
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I'd like to clarify what I meant when I said that he spoke the truth. He told us what the club was really thinking back then. It doesn't mean it was what the supporter was really thinking.
The club has lost touch with its members. It doesn't realize that the diehard supporters would have stuck through a proper rebuild. They may have lost the band wagon types but who the hell cares? Obviously they did. Obsessed with its 3-0-75 target, it took short cuts to get there at the long term success' expense.
Sorry, but the club needs to rapidly change course.
Moves are happening right now behind the scenes. A meeting last night occurred. More will come out of that. :shh
Right.
Wtf was that 3 0-75 rubbish again?
Announced in 2010. A 5-year plan that said by 2014:
* We'd achieve 3 finals appearances (made two 2013-14; third was in 2015).
* Have zero debt (tick).
* Reach 75,000 members (currently 72k).
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Thanks mate.
He also ranted
(https://s31.postimg.org/ebwvqxyq3/image.jpguu)
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I'd like to clarify what I meant when I said that he spoke the truth. He told us what the club was really thinking back then. It doesn't mean it was what the supporter was really thinking.
The club has lost touch with its members. It doesn't realize that the diehard supporters would have stuck through a proper rebuild. They may have lost the band wagon types but who the hell cares? Obviously they did. Obsessed with its 3-0-75 target, it took short cuts to get there at the long term success' expense.
Sorry, but the club needs to rapidly change course.
Moves are happening right now behind the scenes. A meeting last night occurred. More will come out of that. :shh
Right.
Wtf was that 3 0-75 rubbish again?
Announced in 2010. A 5-year plan that said by 2014:
* We'd achieve 3 finals appearances (made two 2013-14; third was in 2015).
* Have zero debt (tick).
* Reach 75,000 members (currently 72k).
Now we have the pillars :clapping
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Thanks mate.
He also ranted
(https://s31.postimg.org/ebwvqxyq3/image.jpguu)
We got 4 years to win 3 flags dude. Patience.
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Thanks mate.
He also ranted
(https://s31.postimg.org/ebwvqxyq3/image.jpguu)
We got 4 years to win 3 flags dude. Patience.
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The only way we could do that is if they let us have a womens team
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I'd like to clarify what I meant when I said that he spoke the truth. He told us what the club was really thinking back then. It doesn't mean it was what the supporter was really thinking.
The club has lost touch with its members. It doesn't realize that the diehard supporters would have stuck through a proper rebuild. They may have lost the band wagon types but who the hell cares? Obviously they did. Obsessed with its 3-0-75 target, it took short cuts to get there at the long term success' expense.
Sorry, but the club needs to rapidly change course.
Moves are happening right now behind the scenes. A meeting last night occurred. More will come out of that. :shh
Right.
Wtf was that 3 0-75 rubbish again?
Announced in 2010. A 5-year plan that said by 2014:
* We'd achieve 3 finals appearances (made two 2013-14; third was in 2015).
* Have zero debt (tick).
* Reach 75,000 members (currently 72k).
Now we have the pillars :clapping
While all us supporters have turned into pillars of salt.....
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The only way we could do that is if they let us have a womens team
They'd need 3
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The only way we could do that is if they let us have a womens team
I thought we did.....(http://sae.tweek.us/static/images/emoticons/emot-rimshot.gif)
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The only way we could do that is if they let us have a womens team
They'd need 3
Anyone for Total Recall?
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Someone try to explain to me how him and Hartley remain at the club???.Always was against this appointment he still remains.
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So is the next rebuild / whatever word
Also based around these mythical wishes on the fans .
Again ?
:huh
If so do the paying members get told about it this time?
Or do we find out 8 year later via some crap article about dan goin for a swim with his list blocking mates
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Not Discount Dans fault. The supporters wanted it so they got what they deserved. About time the supporters STFU and let them do their job. Flabbergasted
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The importance of getting later round picks right (and a couple of Father-Sons) for the Bulldogs during the compromised drafts period of GWS/Suns.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cst8ZNqUEAEWaxP.jpg)
https://twitter.com/FootyClassified/status/777852140232380416
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Why didn't they put #1 Boyd in doggies list :shh
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The importance of getting later round picks right (and a couple of Father-Sons) for the Bulldogs during the compromised drafts period of GWS/Suns.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cst8ZNqUEAEWaxP.jpg)
https://twitter.com/FootyClassified/status/777852140232380416
The importance of a head coach and developmemt
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(https://deadhomersociety.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/mothersimpson5_thumb.png?w=512&h=384)
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The importance of getting later round picks right (and a couple of Father-Sons) for the Bulldogs during the compromised drafts period of GWS/Suns.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cst8ZNqUEAEWaxP.jpg)
https://twitter.com/FootyClassified/status/777852140232380416
The importance of a head coach and developmemt
Development?
Head Coach?
List Management?
I thought we were playing Pick Up Sticks and watching Groundhog Day.
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The importance of getting later round picks right (and a couple of Father-Sons) for the Bulldogs during the compromised drafts period of GWS/Suns.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cst8ZNqUEAEWaxP.jpg)
https://twitter.com/FootyClassified/status/777852140232380416
Griffen and Ward both former dogs too. Dogs have nailed it.
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nah pure luck by the dogs :thumbsup
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Must be luck. They've been unstable by sacking the coach ceo captain and losing so many players. How else can you explain it?
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IMHO it's been our inability to pick good players past the 2nd round of the draft. FJ was and if rumours are true and he is still around is the problem. BH probably hasn't helped with our ruck holes. Of late our 3rd rounders have come good or shown something but to win a premiership we need 3 to 4 good players each year for 4 years and at best we get 3 mostly 2 and sometimes 1. We just dont have enough good cattle.
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The importance of getting later round picks right (and a couple of Father-Sons) for the Bulldogs during the compromised drafts period of GWS/Suns.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cst8ZNqUEAEWaxP.jpg)
https://twitter.com/FootyClassified/status/777852140232380416
The importance of a head coach and developmemt
The thing that sticks out for me is all those Doggies players are "real goers"
We need to start thinking this way as we mostly draft "nice" boys.
Melbourne starting drafting like this about 3 or 4 years ago and I'm tipping them to make the 8 next year and with those type of completative players, anything is possible in finals. They are starting to get a pretty good list together IMO.
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Yep, we have nice boys who love their coach who is a great bloke.
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And isn't that whT really matters ?
Everybody luv ebony pls
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IMHO it's been our inability to pick good players past the 2nd round of the draft. FJ was and if rumours are true and he is still around is the problem. BH probably hasn't helped with our ruck holes. Of late our 3rd rounders have come good or shown something but to win a premiership we need 3 to 4 good players each year for 4 years and at best we get 3 mostly 2 and sometimes 1. We just dont have enough good cattle.
The problem stems directly from a inability to identify and then trade out players that aren't up to standard before their stock has nose dived.
bringing in an extra 2nd or 3rd rounder every year would go along way to rebuilding a list instead of just losing players to other clubs with no return.
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IMHO it's been our inability to pick good players past the 2nd round of the draft. FJ was and if rumours are true and he is still around is the problem. BH probably hasn't helped with our ruck holes. Of late our 3rd rounders have come good or shown something but to win a premiership we need 3 to 4 good players each year for 4 years and at best we get 3 mostly 2 and sometimes 1. We just dont have enough good cattle.
The problem stems directly from a inability to identify and then trade out players that aren't up to standard before their stock has nose dived.
bringing in an extra 2nd or 3rd rounder every year would go along way to rebuilding a list instead of just losing players to other clubs with no return.
Yeah I agree we could have given picks to Sydney for their academy players and get a 2nd rounder. Dumb of us not to. Our recruiting has been the weak link for me. FJ and BH.
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IMHO it's been our inability to pick good players past the 2nd round of the draft. FJ was and if rumours are true and he is still around is the problem. BH probably hasn't helped with our ruck holes. Of late our 3rd rounders have come good or shown something but to win a premiership we need 3 to 4 good players each year for 4 years and at best we get 3 mostly 2 and sometimes 1. We just dont have enough good cattle.
The problem stems directly from a inability to identify and then trade out players that aren't up to standard before their stock has nose dived.
bringing in an extra 2nd or 3rd rounder every year would go along way to rebuilding a list instead of just losing players to other clubs with no return.
Yeah I agree we could have given picks to Sydney for their academy players and get a 2nd rounder. Dumb of us not to. Our recruiting has been the weak link for me. FJ and BH.
Pair of useless gimps