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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on June 03, 2016, 11:41:14 PM
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Dimma said there'll be changes.
Obviously, most of those will be forced with Morris (ACL), Grimes (hammy tightness), Griffiths (ankle) and Vlastuin (concussion).
Fire away .... :help
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What they should be:
McBean in for Griffiths
Elton in for Chaplin
Castagna/Short in for Morris
Menadue/Drummond/Butler in for Vlastuin
Anybody in for B.Ellis, Grigg, Hunt & Lambert
C.Moore upgraded and in for Vickery (Grimes to LTI and surgery)
Chol upgraded and in for Hamspud (Morris to LTI)
New attacking gameplan in for Old shyte stagnant gameplan
What they will be:
Cooked Maric for Griffiths
Chaplin retained
Townsend /A. Moore for Vlastuin
Castasna/Short for Morris (the only one he'll get right)
Ellis, Grigg, Hunt & Lambert retained
Vickery retained
Hamspud retained
Shyte stagnant gameplan persisted with.
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Outs
Senior Coach & assistant coaches.
All recruiters (time to put old man Jackson & his Betamax out to pasture)
List management team (and anyone associated with the Port Adelaide FC)
Chocco (his sideline antics don't fool me) & all development wannabes.
Tim Livingstone - what does this guy even do?
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Some professionals that know what it takes to build and coach a list to excellence and success.
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stuff where do we start?
Seasons shot so play the kids
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Oh look, we still think we're good enough to play finals, we've been in this position before and we'll back in our players to come through again, we just need to start playing good strong bodied Richmond footy again and the wins will take care of themselves
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Just goes to show most on here have no idea
How could anyway bag Grigg
Had a decent crack last night
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Outs
Senior Coach & assistant coaches.
All recruiters (time to put old man Jackson & his Betamax out to pasture)
List management team (and anyone associated with the Port Adelaide FC)
Chocco (his sideline antics don't fool me) & all development wannabes.
Tim Livingstone - what does this guy even do?
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Some professionals that know what it takes to build and coach a list to excellence and success.
I actually agree with you
Job for the boys club needs to end
Our problems are off the field
Not on
Players careers have gone backwards
Players confused and don't understand game plans etc
Other clubs players know what to do
Lots of finger pointing last night
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Surely Conca will come in?
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On a serious note
Outs .Morris, Grimes , Vlaustin , Griffiths ( all inj ) Rioli , Batchelor B.Ellis
Ins ..McBean , Short , Castanga, Broad , Townsend , Moore , Conca
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Surely Conca will come in?
You would think so
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Surely Vlastuin doesn't miss with a little knock to the head?? Toughen up!
He continued to play after that, didn't he, and only came off after half time.
But more importantly why wasn't he in the middle when the game was still up for grabs instead of playing on the scab Thomas? Hardwick's best move all year to move him into the centre but goes back on it last light against a team with big bodied mids on a scrappy night.
Outs- BEllis, Griffiths, Morris, Batchelor, Hunt, Vickery, Grigg
Ins- Short, Elton, Conca, Broad, Castagna, McBean, Menadue
Have we heard how bad Grimes hammy is?
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Vlastuin was on Thomas because of losing Grimes. He did all the warm up with the mids so pan was for him to spend time there
Expect him to play next week. Failed the concussion test at half time so they couldn't send him back on. Hit to his head happened just be fore half time. As long he passess the test this week he'll play
Grimes hammy tightened up during final warmup. Considering the weather and how cold it was made sense to pull him out. Wouldn't be surprised if he plays against the Suns
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OUT:
Game Plan 2016
IN:
New Game Plan
IN (OUT)
Conca (B.Ellis) Callum Moore (Griffiths-Inj) Drummond (Grimes-Inj) McBean (Chaplin) Elton (Batchelor) Elton (Morris-Inj) Markov
Round 12 v Gold Coast
B: Drummond, Rance, Vlastuin
HB: Elton, Astbury, C.Ellis
C: Conca, Martin, Grigg
HF: Deledio, Riewoldt, Lloyd
F: Rioli, Vickery, McBean
R: Hampson, Cotchin, Miles
I: Markov, C.Moore, Edwards, Lambert
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Just goes to show most on here have no idea
How could anyway bag Grigg
Had a decent crack last night
Agree Grigg was the least of our problems last night
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Grigg has actually had a solid year. One of the few.
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Lids is clearly underdone, as much as I love Dusty he can be a bit of a one trick pony in regards to his fend so close attention with the right tag and he is rushed with his disposal. Edwards is like a tap, hot or cold but is generally one or the other. Our forward line with poor quality 50 entries just doesn't have the x-factor to make something out of nothing, even the best forward lines would have issue with the type of ball coming in. Quite frankly the most glaring difference from last nights game is the quality of their experienced core group compared to ours. Ours constantly goes missing when it matters as if things are just too hard to try whereas theirs lifts when required and takes up any slack from the less experienced players.
A lack of main core genuine class experienced players has been a problem for the RFC since the the 80's and until we develop a group of elite leaders who are strong minded and play at the top of their game when it matters then i think these poor performances in the big games will continue to be an Achilles Heel for the club. Hardwick now has to come out and forget this delusional "we can still make finals" crap and openly declare that we are now building for the future and blooding some youth and giving some other more experienced players the chance to return to form in the VFL. If he doesn't then i think he loses any credibility if he hasn't already in the eyes of the majority of supporters.
This summation is just a rehash of a thousand comments spread over threads on this forum over a number of years. We can see it but for some reason the powers that be cant or just don't know how to approach a fix. Some may say as a result of last nights games this is an overreaction but its not just last nights game, its just symbolic of the issues that have plagued the club for the last 30 + years and will continue to plague the club unless something is done to rectify the problem.
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Just goes to show most on here have no idea
How could anyway bag Grigg
Had a decent crack last night
Agree Grigg was the least of our problems last night
If Cotchin, according to some of the flogs around here, had "the worst/most useless 38 posession game ever" earlier in the year, then Grigg surely set the new benchmark in that regard last night....
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Any guess as to what the weather will be like? Coming down for this game
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Vlastuin was on Thomas because of losing Grimes. He did all the warm up with the mids so pan was for him to spend time there
Expect him to play next week. Failed the concussion test at half time so they couldn't send him back on. Hit to his head happened just be fore half time. As long he passess the test this week he'll play
Grimes hammy tightened up during final warmup. Considering the weather and how cold it was made sense to pull him out. Wouldn't be surprised if he plays against the Suns
Why wouldn't you put Morris on Thomas, or even Hunt and let Vlastuin play in the middle? Especially early when the game is to be won?
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Surely Vlastuin doesn't miss with a little knock to the head?? Toughen up!
He continued to play after that, didn't he, and only came off after half time.
Clubs are very cautous when it comes to concussion these days - good chance he'll get given a week off.
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Any guess as to what the weather will be like? Coming down for this game
Better than the weather in QLD
☔️😉
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Vlastuin was on Thomas because of losing Grimes. He did all the warm up with the mids so pan was for him to spend time there
Expect him to play next week. Failed the concussion test at half time so they couldn't send him back on. Hit to his head happened just be fore half time. As long he passess the test this week he'll play
Grimes hammy tightened up during final warmup. Considering the weather and how cold it was made sense to pull him out. Wouldn't be surprised if he plays against the Suns
Why wouldn't you put Morris on Thomas, or even Hunt and let Vlastuin play in the middle? Especially early when the game is to be won?
Think Morris started on Sniper Harvey
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Just goes to show most on here have no idea
How could anyway bag Grigg
Had a decent crack last night
How good was his non existent sheppard for Hunt that let Daw close him down and force the turnover
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On a serious note
Outs .Morris, Grimes , Vlaustin , Griffiths ( all inj ) Rioli , Batchelor B.Ellis
Ins ..McBean , Short , Castanga, Broad , Townsend , Moore , Conca
Townsend AND Moore :gobdrop
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Just goes to show most on here have no idea
How could anyway bag Grigg
Had a decent crack last night
How good was his non existent sheppard for Hunt that let Daw close him down and force the turnover
He most probably assumed the ball would end up turned over anyway and cut his losses esrly
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Surely Vlastuin doesn't miss with a little knock to the head?? Toughen up!
Not sure you caught channel 9 around 6 tonight (assuming you're from vic) but you should check out the recent story of Scott Simpson. Extreme case but shows how bad something "small" can get
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Surely Vlastuin doesn't miss with a little knock to the head?? Toughen up!
Not sure you caught channel 9 around 6 tonight (assuming you're from vic) but you should check out the recent story of Scott Simpson. Extreme case but shows how bad something "small" can get
Nar, didn't see it.
But sometimes small hits are just small hits. Nothing more, nothing less. There is worst case scenarios in everything but to me it didn't look like much the other night.
Let's just hope Vlastuin recovers well and if so, he can play this week.
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Yep sometimes they are small, but hopefully the club do the right thing and rest him if it's needed. As I said, it was an extreme case but a quick run down is the lad knocked his head playing local footy (Peninsula league), went to hospital and got assessed and was discharged then they next day he threw up about 6 times and the (?)right side of his body went numb. Poor dude ended up with a stroke which they did a surgery to remove the clot and is still recovering his speech.
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Yep sometimes they are small, but hopefully the club do the right thing and rest him if it's needed. As I said, it was an extreme case but a quick run down is the lad knocked his head playing local footy (Peninsula league), went to hospital and got assessed and was discharged then they next day he threw up about 6 times and the (?)right side of his body went numb. Poor dude ended up with a stroke which they did a surgery to remove the clot and is still recovering his speech.
Yer not good.
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Then u have millions of people hit in the head that are fine
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in: Downhill skiers
out: Downhill skiers
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in: Downhill skiers
out: Downhill skiers
Is your man BEllis safe for another week? :cheers
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INS: Conca, Short, Broad, Maric
OUTS: Morris (inj), Griffiths (inj), Ellis B (insipid), Chaplin
IMESHO both Grimes & Vlastuin will play
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in: Downhill skiers
out: Downhill skiers
Is your man BEllis safe for another week? :cheers
My in and outs are the same in case you have issues reading
That idiot and his intro mates will be back to their 25-30 disposals against mighty opposition this weekend :birthday :birthday
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Brando plays his 100th Game this week
Going to be interesting as banner making is on Wednesday Night
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Let me guess. Does his role?
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he will probably get the little kid to run through it as he would be too scared to get injured.
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he will probably get the little kid to run through it as he would be too scared to get injured.
Quoted for truthfulness.
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Lot of people want McBean in the side. Would play him if i thought it would give us a chance to keep him but he is as good as gone so why put games into a player who wont be there next year.
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We will shuffle the deck chairs & yes - I've heard the Titanic joke, thanks.
The decision on who to upgrade for Morris is far more interesting! Like for like or do we go for something new? Marcon & Moore are the like for like choice & neither of them offer much, the left field option is to upgrade Mabior Chol!
Upgrading Chol puts the heat on both Vickery & Griffiths for the tall stuff position, two birds with one stone! Griff will miss a couple with an ankle sprain (stretcher case for a rolled ankle?) & Vickery hasn't been putting it all on the line all year! Putting the big black cat among the pigeons could only be a good thing! We might find an exciting player, or at least make two flat liners a bit more desperate to keep their spot!
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I want to see Callum Moore elevated and played.
Up forward, down back or even on the ball....
He might be raw but has qualities that translate well to AFL level.
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Out - spineless witches hats.
In - a bit of pride in the jumper.
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The Barometer - Round 12
Herald-Sun
6 June 2016
RICHMOND
ON THE BLOCK: As expected, Steven Morris needs another reconstruction - to the same knee that buckled in the SANFL in 2009. He’s lion-hearted, Morris, but he was still visibly shattered on the flight out of Hobart on Saturday and faces a fight to resurrect his career. Ben Griffiths (ankle) will most certainly miss weeks, while there must be significant concerns for Dylan Grimes, who was dramatically withdrawn two minutes before the first bounce on Friday night after experiencing “awareness” in the warm-up. Nick Vlastuin suffered game-ending concussion and will be in some doubt for this week. A week after making no changes, Damien Hardwick will be forced to make sweeping one’s.
ON THE CUSP: Damien Hardwick went along to Sunday’s VFL match praying some of the “emerging young talent” he’s been talking up would announce themselves. Instead he watched the Tigers’ “twos” remain goalless until the last quarter against Coburg. But Reece Conca’s third VFL game will definitely be his last after he dominated with 30-odd touches, a couple of goals and 10-plus tackles. It’s early days, but Nathan Drummond is showing positive signs after returning from his knee reconstruction. Mabior Chol, Connor Menadue and Ivan Maric are also running around in the reserves.
SAM EDMUND’S FORECAST: What appeared to be another mid-season resurrection is now a road to nowhere. This wasn’t a nightmare against the Kangaroos, it was a two-hour night terror. Richmond gave up a staggering 72 inside 50s, lost the disposal count, lost the tackle count by 36 and the game by 70. It was surely a finals killer and, with a three-match winning streak stopped dead in its tracks, possibly a morale killer as well. Next is Gold Coast at the MCG, a side they’ve had their issues with in the past but smashed by 83 points at the same ground last year. Fair to say Dimma would take a similar result.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/footy-form/barometer-afl-injury-list-selection-analysis-ahead-of-round-12/news-story/34e3fb5318a641ece9e19751dfe54094
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Gold Coast are $7 :o
They'll think we are really gettable too.
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INS: Conca, Short, Broad, Maric
OUTS: Morris (inj), Griffiths (inj), Ellis B (insipid), Chaplin
IMESHO both Grimes & Vlastuin will play
Agree with what proposing but won't happen. Because of concussion policy believe won't play Vlastuin and given Grimes's hamstring problems in past won't risk him. Hope I am wrong.
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We will shuffle the deck chairs & yes - I've heard the Titanic joke, thanks.
The decision on who to upgrade for Morris is far more interesting! Like for like or do we go for something new? Marcon & Moore are the like for like choice & neither of them offer much, the left field option is to upgrade Mabior Chol!
Upgrading Chol puts the heat on both Vickery & Griffiths for the tall stuff position, two birds with one stone! Griff will miss a couple with an ankle sprain (stretcher case for a rolled ankle?) & Vickery hasn't been putting it all on the line all year! Putting the big black cat among the pigeons could only be a good thing! We might find an exciting player, or at least make two flat liners a bit more desperate to keep their spot!
How are mids (or if you meant C.Moore then key position player) a like for like swap with a small defender?
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Conca for Morris play him across h/b
Elton for Chaplin that is if he is fit.
Menadue for Pea heart Ellis.
Chol Or McBean for Griffiths
C Moore for the other big pea heart in Vickery.
Grimes for Batchelor.
Would like to see a few more changes but we will be lucky to get three changes yet alone the 6 mentioned above.
The club has always been big on denial but sheesh they have their heads so far up each others backsides they have lost the way out.
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Its going to be so funny when Hardwick makes his so-called changes on Thursday night. Expect the same old recycled gumbies to come in for one week and then after the bye he will reinstate any of his pets that against his better judgment he may finally drop this week.
Not expecting anything outside the square on the selection table, its not the Richmond way.
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'Awareness' of a hamstring is still a hammy. It's just that Grimes' brain is now familiar with it and he detected it early, still a week or 2 you'd think.
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Disgusting that we got smashed so badly in the tackles when North had the ball all night.
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Disgusting that we got smashed so badly in the tackles when North had the ball all night.
yep but not surprising. There was an article somehwere yesterday which listed where we have ranked in terms of tackles the last 6 years and the best result was 13th. I know the club will trot out their BS line total number doesnt matter its all about how it compares vs yur opposition but those stats paint a pretty damning picture. 6 years straight in the bottom 4-5 for tackles tells you something about our football philosophy!
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Conca for Morris play him across h/b
Elton for Chaplin that is if he is fit.
Menadue for Pea heart Ellis.
Chol Or McBean for Griffiths
C Moore for the other big pea heart in Vickery.
Grimes for Batchelor.
Would like to see a few more changes but we will be lucky to get three changes yet alone the 6 mentioned above.
The club has always been big on denial but sheesh they have their heads so far up each others backsides they have lost the way out.
You won't see those 6 changes because Chol and C Moore are rookies :lol
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Conca for Morris play him across h/b
Elton for Chaplin that is if he is fit.
Menadue for Pea heart Ellis.
Chol Or McBean for Griffiths
C Moore for the other big pea heart in Vickery.
Grimes for Batchelor.
Would like to see a few more changes but we will be lucky to get three changes yet alone the 6 mentioned above.
The club has always been big on denial but sheesh they have their heads so far up each others backsides they have lost the way out.
You won't see those 6 changes because Chol and C Moore are rookies :lol
What is to stop the club promoting at least one of them for morris. Promote Moore play McBean. its still 6 changes.
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Clubs can promote another rookie after round 11 or 12 anyway can't they?
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Conca for Morris play him across h/b
Elton for Chaplin that is if he is fit.
Menadue for Pea heart Ellis.
Chol Or McBean for Griffiths
C Moore for the other big pea heart in Vickery.
Grimes for Batchelor.
Would like to see a few more changes but we will be lucky to get three changes yet alone the 6 mentioned above.
The club has always been big on denial but sheesh they have their heads so far up each others backsides they have lost the way out.
You won't see those 6 changes because Chol and C Moore are rookies :lol
What is to stop the club promoting at least one of them for morris. Promote Moore play McBean. its still 6 changes.
You can do this?
Promote rookies if someone gets a long term injury?
Wow!
Maybe Chol or Moore could play??
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Yeh maybe .,,
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In the Mix - Round 12
Nathan Schmook
AFL.com.au
8 June 2016
RICHMOND
Changes will be made after the Tigers' 70-point loss to North Melbourne and Reece Conca will likely be the first cab off the rank after recovering from another hamstring injury. The forgotten Tiger has played three good games in the VFL and racked up 34 possessions to all but lock himself in for Sunday's clash against Gold Coast.
The Tigers will likely make multiple changes and Jason Castagna and Connor Menadue are options to cover injured defender Steven Morris (knee).
If tall forward Ben Griffiths (ankle) is not passed fit, Liam McBean could get his chance. The Tigers may, however, decide that rookies Mabior Chol or Callum Moore are more deserving of a chance.
Hard-nosed recruit Jacob Townsend has not played since round five but is throwing himself into the contest at VFL level.
First-year forward Oleg Markov is another option and could make his debut if the Tigers take an aggressive youth policy from this round on.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-06-07/in-the-mix-round-12
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Disgusting that we got smashed so badly in the tackles when North had the ball all night.
yep but not surprising. There was an article somehwere yesterday which listed where we have ranked in terms of tackles the last 6 years and the best result was 13th. I know the club will trot out their BS line total number doesnt matter its all about how it compares vs yur opposition but those stats paint a pretty damning picture. 6 years straight in the bottom 4-5 for tackles tells you something about our football philosophy!
I'd like to see the missed tackles stat, our inability to stick tackles is embarrassing
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Disgusting that we got smashed so badly in the tackles when North had the ball all night.
yep but not surprising. There was an article somehwere yesterday which listed where we have ranked in terms of tackles the last 6 years and the best result was 13th. I know the club will trot out their BS line total number doesnt matter its all about how it compares vs yur opposition but those stats paint a pretty damning picture. 6 years straight in the bottom 4-5 for tackles tells you something about our football philosophy!
13th, i'm surprised we are so high. It's not just the lack of tackles though, we never tackle with intent, other teams always seem to get arms free and get the ball out.
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Disgusting that we got smashed so badly in the tackles when North had the ball all night.
yep but not surprising. There was an article somehwere yesterday which listed where we have ranked in terms of tackles the last 6 years and the best result was 13th. I know the club will trot out their BS line total number doesnt matter its all about how it compares vs yur opposition but those stats paint a pretty damning picture. 6 years straight in the bottom 4-5 for tackles tells you something about our football philosophy!
13th, i'm surprised we are so high. It's not just the lack of tackles though, we never tackle with intent, other teams always seem to get arms free and get the ball out.
This is so true.
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Forgotten man Reece Conca will return for his first game of the season against the Suns after he was “by far” Richmond’s best in his third-straight VFL performance.
Hardwick flagged “a couple of changes” with ACL victim Steve Morris sidelined for the season and the fitness of other players to be determined at Punt Rd training today.
Hardwick said ageing ruckman Ivan Maric would enter the selection frame should Ben Griffiths (ankle) not come up while Dylan Grimes (hamstring) and Nick Vlastuin (concussion) are also in doubt.
The Tigers belted the Suns by 83 points last year while Hardwick has never dropped a game to the Lions.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/richmond-coach-damien-hardwick-still-has-faith-in-his-players-and-wont-give-up-on-finals/news-story/89f0bea2bc0b7010cfaae29ca41f57b1
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Maric over McBean when McBean has been playing better and he is supposedly the youth and future of the club....say no more.
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Maric over McBean when McBean has been playing better and he is supposedly the youth and future of the club....say no more.
McBean "has been playing better" than Maric even though they are not playing the same position?
And after I watched I Sunday, McBean pulling out of a contest against a Coburg midget (ala Ellis B) at the 8 minute in the final qtr is good enough reason for McBean not to get a game. Forget that he can't take a contested mark to save himself or still refuse to impose himself on contests
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Maric over McBean when McBean has been playing better and he is supposedly the youth and future of the club....say no more.
McBean "has been playing better" than Maric even though they are not playing the same position?
And after I watched I Sunday, McBean pulling out of a contest against a Coburg midget (ala Ellis B) at the 8 minute in the final qtr is good enough reason for McBean not to get a game. Forget that he can't take a contested mark to save himself or still refuse to impose himself on contests
This is the last year Maric should play. When do you think McBean will veer be given o go, or should we just delist him ala Dea? McBean has been playing consistent footy, he should be given a chance. Too many people look for reason NOT to give players a go, like you have done. Play him all year instead of Maric and then see what we have.
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This is the last year Maric should play. When do you think McBean will veer be given o go, or should we just delist him ala Dea? McBean has been playing consistent footy, he should be given a chance. Too many people look for reason NOT to give players a go, like you have done. Play him all year instead of Maric and then see what we have.
I don't think he will be given a go based on how is playing -v- how they want him to play.
You say he is playing consistent footy at VFL level but with respect how would you know? You don't see him play week after week. Yes he does some good things for periods but I have never seen him produce the good things for a full game. He should be ripping up the VFL competition and he isn't. That's the reality
Also, the majority come on here and whack Ellis B (rightly I will add) for his pulling out of contest to avoid any chance of copping physical contact. Yet you are advocating we give a bloke who does the same thing in the VFL no less a go. Sunday wasn't the first time he has done that BTW. So IMHO you can't have it both ways
Again IMESHO right now he offers less a lot less than Mr Cameo Vickery and that's an indictment not only on our development of players but also on the player himself. McBean reminds me so much of Jayden Post in that he has all the tools to be at a minimum a solid to good AFL players but his inability to show the intensity, passion and commitment needed at contests is damning.
I would rather see Choi get a game before McBean simply because he has shown more in 7 weeks of VFL this season than McBean
Maric plays as a ruckman, McBean cannot play that position; again that's the reality. The only players he can really replace are Griffiths or Vickery and as I said IMESHO right now they both offer more
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Thats a very insightful post WP......especially for us interstaters who never get to see Mcbeans progress in the VFL.
How do you see this panning out ?
Will Mcbean be moved on at the end of the year ?
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Thats a very insightful post WP......especially for us interstaters who never get to see Mcbeans progress in the VFL.
How do you see this panning out ?
Will Mcbean be moved on at the end of the year ?
Right now I cannot see him playing AFL this year
As for what happens seasons end... tough decisions need to made about the list.
I see more upside in others now so i wouldn't be at all surprised if he gets moved on.
I actually find it ironic in a way. With certain players not making it; it is a drafting mistake a wasted pick.
For others; favourites for want of a better term like McBean it's not a bad / wasted draft choice its all about development and coaching.
If he does get flicked I will look on with interest to see which way people go with the blame game ;D
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Well let's see if he gets picked up by another club - at least 4 are interested....and all are having considerably better years than us and have better forward lines....but hey, tell us again how Chol had already gone past him after only two NAB Challenge appearances... :shh
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Well let's see if he gets picked up by another club - at least 4 are interested....and all are having considerably better years than us and have better forward lines....but hey, tell us again how Chol had already gone past him after only two NAB Challenge appearances... :shh
Regarding Choi I wasn't talking about just the NAB challenge games. I was talking about the VFL season thus far. If the club is thinking about promoting him which I believe they are, then what does that say about McBean in the "pecking" order?
Look if another club was to pick up McBean and he goes on and becomes a good player for said new club = great. Then lots of folks can bag the club some more. If he doesn't then what will that mean? Still the RFC's fault or does he need to take some responsibility?
But right now based on his output at VFL level this seasonI don't believe he will get a game this year
People bang on about Dea and how well he is going at Essendon but facts remain he was de-listed, did not get picked up by any other club either as de-listed FA, via the National, PSD or rookie drafts - which means no one wanted him. The only reason he is currently on an AFL list is because of the Essendon drug debacle. But kudos to him for making the most of his 2nd chance
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Conca for Morris play him across h/b
Elton for Chaplin that is if he is fit.
Menadue for Pea heart Ellis.
Chol Or McBean for Griffiths
C Moore for the other big pea heart in Vickery.
Grimes for Batchelor.
Would like to see a few more changes but we will be lucky to get three changes yet alone the 6 mentioned above.
The club has always been big on denial but sheesh they have their heads so far up each others backsides they have lost the way out.
You won't see those 6 changes because Chol and C Moore are rookies :lol
What is to stop the club promoting at least one of them for morris. Promote Moore play McBean. its still 6 changes.
You can do this?
Promote rookies if someone gets a long term injury?
Wow!
Maybe Chol or Moore could play??
Oh wow so one of them can play, woah man that's close enough to both of them playing
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Well let's see if he gets picked up by another club - at least 4 are interested....and all are having considerably better years than us and have better forward lines....but hey, tell us again how Chol had already gone past him after only two NAB Challenge appearances... :shh
Sydney (a good team) took Morton, doesn't mean he was any good
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Er no WP - you were saying Chol had gone past McBean during the NAB Cup and before the VFL season had even started...in fact the VFL pre-season fixtures had barely even started when you said it.....don't back peddle with b.s.
Well let's see if he gets picked up by another club - at least 4 are interested....and all are having considerably better years than us and have better forward lines....but hey, tell us again how Chol had already gone past him after only two NAB Challenge appearances... :shh
Sydney (a good team) took Morton, doesn't mean he was any good
Good enough to stand up in a grand final a make a crucial contribution to the win.....poor attitude but the bloke could play the game...and he did when it counted most of all.....
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RICHMOND skipper Trent Cotchin has missed training due to illness.
The Tigers are hopeful, however, he will be right to lead the team when it takes on Gold Coast at the MCG on Sunday.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-06-09/richmond-star-mid-misses-training-with-illness
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Well let's see if he gets picked up by another club - at least 4 are interested....and all are having considerably better years than us and have better forward lines....but hey, tell us again how Chol had already gone past him after only two NAB Challenge appearances... :shh
Sydney (a good team) took Morton, doesn't mean he was any good
Good enough to stand up in a grand final a make a crucial contribution to the win.....poor attitude but the bloke could play the game...and he did when it counted most of all.....
Lucky to get a game in the first place and did nothing 90% of the game. But I guess if you can hang your hat on 10 minutes worth of football then we have nothing to worry abour re: McBean and Vickery
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If only we could get a good 10 minutes out of our blokes in Elimination Finals when the match is on the line, let alone Grand Finals....
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Er no WP - you were saying Chol had gone past McBean during the NAB Cup and before the VFL season had even started...in fact the VFL pre-season fixtures had barely even started when you said it.....don't back peddle with b.s.
Well let's see if he gets picked up by another club - at least 4 are interested....and all are having considerably better years than us and have better forward lines....but hey, tell us again how Chol had already gone past him after only two NAB Challenge appearances... :shh
Sydney (a good team) took Morton, doesn't mean he was any good
Good enough to stand up in a grand final a make a crucial contribution to the win.....poor attitude but the bloke could play the game...and he did when it counted most of all.....
Totally agree with the remarks about Morton. He produced on the day that counts the most. When switched on he was a dangerous player but struggled with consistency.
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Well let's see if he gets picked up by another club - at least 4 are interested....and all are having considerably better years than us and have better forward lines....but hey, tell us again how Chol had already gone past him after only two NAB Challenge appearances... :shh
What four clubs ?? Balwyn, Doutta Stars, Mrytleford & Yarrawonga
and HTF would you or anyone else know
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Er no WP - you were saying Chol had gone past McBean during the NAB Cup and before the VFL season had even started...in fact the VFL pre-season fixtures had barely even started when you said it.....don't back peddle with b.s.
Yep I did that during the NAB series and for the preseason he was clearly ahead
Move forward to now and he is still ahead of McBean
So no back peddle at all, nothing has changed
Based on their seasons thus far, pre season and VFL Choi is ahead
But keep twisting my views to suit your argument :thumbsup
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Don't need to twist anything - your views are clearly biased & wrong, Chol is still miles off being ready for AFL and still barely will be this time next year....McBean's been ready for at least two years...
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Er no WP - you were saying Chol had gone past McBean during the NAB Cup and before the VFL season had even started...in fact the VFL pre-season fixtures had barely even started when you said it.....don't back peddle with b.s.
Well let's see if he gets picked up by another club - at least 4 are interested....and all are having considerably better years than us and have better forward lines....but hey, tell us again how Chol had already gone past him after only two NAB Challenge appearances... :shh
Sydney (a good team) took Morton, doesn't mean he was any good
Good enough to stand up in a grand final a make a crucial contribution to the win.....poor attitude but the bloke could play the game...and he did when it counted most of all.....
Totally agree with the remarks about Morton. He produced on the day that counts the most. When switched on he was a dangerous player but struggled with consistency.
Is that the type of player you want? Someone who just turns up when they feel like it
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Er no WP - you were saying Chol had gone past McBean during the NAB Cup and before the VFL season had even started...in fact the VFL pre-season fixtures had barely even started when you said it.....don't back peddle with b.s.
Well let's see if he gets picked up by another club - at least 4 are interested....and all are having considerably better years than us and have better forward lines....but hey, tell us again how Chol had already gone past him after only two NAB Challenge appearances... :shh
Sydney (a good team) took Morton, doesn't mean he was any good
Good enough to stand up in a grand final a make a crucial contribution to the win.....poor attitude but the bloke could play the game...and he did when it counted most of all.....
Totally agree with the remarks about Morton. He produced on the day that counts the most. When switched on he was a dangerous player but struggled with consistency.
Is that the type of player you want? Someone who just turns up when they feel like it
Ie most of our current list
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Don't need to twist anything - your views are clearly biased & wrong, Chol is still miles off being ready for AFL and still barely will be this time next year....McBean's been ready for at least two years...
I am not biased and i am entitled to an opinion like you are
And BTW You obviously think McBean's ready?
So if You condone blokes pulling out of contests (ala Ellis B), refusing to chase, refusing tackle, standong back with hands on hips? If you do then you're right he is absolutely ready. But don't bag others for doing the same thing though or you might get accused of being biased
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Well let's see if he gets picked up by another club - at least 4 are interested....and all are having considerably better years than us and have better forward lines....but hey, tell us again how Chol had already gone past him after only two NAB Challenge appearances... :shh
What four clubs ?? Balwyn, Doutta Stars, Mrytleford & Yarrawonga
and HTF would you or anyone else know
Hawthorn, Bulldogs, Geelong & West Coast....heard of them?
Don't need to twist anything - your views are clearly biased & wrong, Chol is still miles off being ready for AFL and still barely will be this time next year....McBean's been ready for at least two years...
I am not biased and i am entitled to an opinion like you are
And BTW You obviously think McBean's ready?
So if You condone blokes pulling out of contests (ala Ellis B), refusing to chase, refusing tackle, standong back with hands on hips? If you do then you're right he is absolutely ready. But don't bag others for doing the same thing though or you might get accused of being biased
So he does it multiple times every match like B.Ellis does or just that one time you reckon you saw last week? I condone looking to the future by giving young blokes with runs on the board getting a shot at the next level with better players around them ahead of blokes who are five years older still serving up the same crap and aren't going to change - particularly when our finals chances are pretty much gone...
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Let's face it, It doesn't take much to get on Richmonds recruiting list, you don't have to be that good a player at all, just make sure that you've invested in a damn good quality video production of your greatest 5 highlights and make sure it's Betamax compatible. Then forward that baby to Punt road c/o FJ and you may as well sit by the phone because it's going to be ringing before Francis sips his first cup of tea.
Otherwise you could always follow Sideshow Bobs lead and try the family route. :rollin
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Er no WP - you were saying Chol had gone past McBean during the NAB Cup and before the VFL season had even started...in fact the VFL pre-season fixtures had barely even started when you said it.....don't back peddle with b.s.
Well let's see if he gets picked up by another club - at least 4 are interested....and all are having considerably better years than us and have better forward lines....but hey, tell us again how Chol had already gone past him after only two NAB Challenge appearances... :shh
Sydney (a good team) took Morton, doesn't mean he was any good
Good enough to stand up in a grand final a make a crucial contribution to the win.....poor attitude but the bloke could play the game...and he did when it counted most of all.....
Totally agree with the remarks about Morton. He produced on the day that counts the most. When switched on he was a dangerous player but struggled with consistency.
Is that the type of player you want? Someone who just turns up when they feel like it
Ie most of our current list
Got it in one. But there is a twist. Most are not capable of sustained good footy because their weaknesses always brings them back to earth in a rush. But blnkered tiger supporters nearly always fail to see the weaknesses.
Book mark it. We will romp home again probably just miss finals this time and all will be forgiven and forgotten. Fair dinkum it is ingrained into so many supporters.
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Don't need to twist anything - your views are clearly biased & wrong, Chol is still miles off being ready for AFL and still barely will be this time next year....McBean's been ready for at least two years...
I am not biased and i am entitled to an opinion like you are
And BTW You obviously think McBean's ready?
So if You condone blokes pulling out of contests (ala Ellis B), refusing to chase, refusing tackle, standong back with hands on hips? If you do then you're right he is absolutely ready. But don't bag others for doing the same thing though or you might get accused of being biased
WP, I've seen my fair share of VFL games this year and I disagree with you on McBean.
I watched the game too on the weekend, and I watch McBean pretty closely, and I didn't see the things you are talking about. His job in a very average side is to kick goals, which he has done consistently since being recruited to the club. He deserves another crack at AFL level as Vickery and Griff are both guilty of the things you see Liam do.
But you seriously don't think Chol has gone past McBean do you??
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Don't need to twist anything - your views are clearly biased & wrong, Chol is still miles off being ready for AFL and still barely will be this time next year....McBean's been ready for at least two years...
I am not biased and i am entitled to an opinion like you are
And BTW You obviously think McBean's ready?
So if You condone blokes pulling out of contests (ala Ellis B), refusing to chase, refusing tackle, standong back with hands on hips? If you do then you're right he is absolutely ready. But don't bag others for doing the same thing though or you might get accused of being biased
WP, I've seen my fair share of VFL games this year and I disagree with you on McBean.
I watched the game too on the weekend, and I watch McBean pretty closely, and I didn't see the things you are talking about. His job in a very average side is to kick goals, which he has done consistently since being recruited to the club. He deserves another crack at AFL level as Vickery and Griff are both guilty of the things you see Liam do.
But you seriously don't think Chol has gone past McBean do you??
In a crap side
With a poor midfield
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But you seriously don't think Chol has gone past McBean do you??
Yep I do
I think he offers much more upside right now and long term.
As I said that is in part an indictment on our development of players and the player himself.
I don't think McBean as shown any improvement of performance in the VFL this year. By now he should be showing he is far too good for that comp (a bit like Conca did on the weekend) and he hasn't. He seems to have become the VFL Cameo King
I wish I knew how to crop videos and post them as I'd love to show people the vision of him pulling out of the contest in the final qtr last week (exactly the same as what Ellis did in Tassie) and the thing I highlighted in the 3rd. But sadly I'm not that tech savvy.
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But you seriously don't think Chol has gone past McBean do you??
Yep I do
I think he offers much more upside right now and long term.
As I said that is in part an indictment on our development of players and the player himself.
I don't think McBean as shown any improvement of performance in the VFL this year. By now he should be showing he is far too good for that comp (a bit like Conca did on the weekend) and he hasn't. He seems to have become the VFL Cameo King
I wish I knew how to crop videos and post them as I'd love to show people the vision of him pulling out of the contest in the final qtr last week (exactly the same as what Ellis did in Tassie) and the thing I highlighted in the 3rd. But sadly I'm not that tech savvy.
So no different to pea heart Vickery then?
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we could watch a 3 hour long video of the amount of contests Vickery doesn't get to because he cant be stuffed.....
Has Vickery showed improvement from last year??????
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we could watch a 3 hour long video of the amount of contests Vickery doesn't get to because he cant be stuffed.....
Has Vickery showed improvement from last year??????
No !!!
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But you seriously don't think Chol has gone past McBean do you??
Yep I do
I think he offers much more upside right now and long term.
As I said that is in part an indictment on our development of players and the player himself.
I don't think McBean as shown any improvement of performance in the VFL this year. By now he should be showing he is far too good for that comp (a bit like Conca did on the weekend) and he hasn't. He seems to have become the VFL Cameo King
I wish I knew how to crop videos and post them as I'd love to show people the vision of him pulling out of the contest in the final qtr last week (exactly the same as what Ellis did in Tassie) and the thing I highlighted in the 3rd. But sadly I'm not that tech savvy.
So when you say " he offers much more upside" do mean on potential or actual results?
McBean has kicked bags of 4 and 5 from memory and is second or third in the comp for goals, also playing a lot further up the ground this year and in the ruck.
He plays in a crap side and is basically our only decent forward most weeks. I'm not sure how much more a YOUNG KPF can do.
Chol is a fair way behind IMO if you look at actuall results rather than the highlights. But you had Chol in front of him after 2 preseason games so I'm tipping there is something more to your opinion.
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So when you say " he offers much more upside" do mean on potential or actual results?
Potential mainly
Sorry but I just don't see the same in McBean.
Domt see it a VFL level, didnt see it in his 2 AFL games
What I see in McBean is a the KPF equivalent of Jayden Post, sadly.
Right now year on Year I havent seen any improvement in McBean in the areas he has been told he needs to improve
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So when you say " he offers much more upside" do mean on potential or actual results?
Potential mainly
Sorry but I just don't see the same in McBean.
Domt see it a VFL level, didnt see it in his 2 AFL games
What I see in McBean is a the KPF equivalent of Jayden Post, sadly.
Right now year on Year I havent seen any improvement in McBean in the areas he has been told he needs to improve
Correct
Doesn't work hard enough
Going to be interesting when he is back playing back at Aberfeldie next year if he doesn't improve in next few weeks
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TWO CHANGES LIKELY FOR TIGERS
Steven Morris (ruptured ACL) is out for the season for the Tigers, while Troy Chaplin has been dropped for Sunday's MCG meeting with Gold Coast. Any other Tiger changes on the horizon? Over to Nathan Schmook:
The Tigers have named their customary three tall forwards in Jack Riewoldt, Ben Griffiths and Ty Vickery, meaning one of those would have to be in doubt for Liam McBean to finally break in. He is in the mix given his impressive turn as a support ruckman in the VFL last weekend but looks likely to miss, with only two changes expected. Defender Dylan Grimes will come in for Chaplin, while midfielder Reece Conca is a confirmed starter for Morris. The three players likely to miss the cut on the bench are Connor Menadue, Jayden Short and McBean.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-06-10/late-mail-live-round-12
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Er no WP - you were saying Chol had gone past McBean during the NAB Cup and before the VFL season had even started...in fact the VFL pre-season fixtures had barely even started when you said it.....don't back peddle with b.s.
Well let's see if he gets picked up by another club - at least 4 are interested....and all are having considerably better years than us and have better forward lines....but hey, tell us again how Chol had already gone past him after only two NAB Challenge appearances... :shh
Sydney (a good team) took Morton, doesn't mean he was any good
Good enough to stand up in a grand final a make a crucial contribution to the win.....poor attitude but the bloke could play the game...and he did when it counted most of all.....
Totally agree with the remarks about Morton. He produced on the day that counts the most. When switched on he was a dangerous player but struggled with consistency.
Is that the type of player you want? Someone who just turns up when they feel like it
Ie most of our current list
Ah yes so you think we should continue the trend? Well I don't. I don't know about you but I'm stuffing sick of mediocrity
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I wish I knew how to crop videos and post them as I'd love to show people the vision of him pulling out of the contest in the final qtr last week (exactly the same as what Ellis did in Tassie) and the thing I highlighted in the 3rd. But sadly I'm not that tech savvy.
Should be quite easy on YouTube
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I wish I knew how to crop videos and post them as I'd love to show people the vision of him pulling out of the contest in the final qtr last week (exactly the same as what Ellis did in Tassie) and the thing I highlighted in the 3rd. But sadly I'm not that tech savvy.
Should be quite easy on YouTube
I don't recon it happened. :shh
You know WP makes things up just to prove his point...or Dimma's point.
:lol
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I wish I knew how to crop videos and post them as I'd love to show people the vision of him pulling out of the contest in the final qtr last week (exactly the same as what Ellis did in Tassie) and the thing I highlighted in the 3rd. But sadly I'm not that tech savvy.
Should be quite easy on YouTube
I don't recon it happened. :shh
You know WP makes things up just to prove his point...or Dimma's point.
:lol
Glad you think accusing someone of lying is soooooo funny even in a lame attempt of jest >:(
It happened,
And if i knew how to crop a video id do it. Fact is i don't
As I said it happened.
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I wish I knew how to crop videos and post them as I'd love to show people the vision of him pulling out of the contest in the final qtr last week (exactly the same as what Ellis did in Tassie) and the thing I highlighted in the 3rd. But sadly I'm not that tech savvy.
Should be quite easy on YouTube
I don't recon it happened. :shh
You know WP makes things up just to prove his point...or Dimma's point.
:lol
Glad you think accusing someome of lying is soooooo funny >:(
It happened,
And if i knew how to crop a video id do it. Fact is i don't
As I said it happened.
Only having a laugh WP.
It really doesn't matter...,