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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on August 27, 2017, 07:28:52 PM
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Our only injury is Nathan Drummond. So effectively we'll have a full list to choose from with Caddy back.
Fire away ...
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Out:
Castagna
In:
Caddy
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Caddy for Graham
:outtahere
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Out: Castagna
In: Short
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Out: Castagna
In: Miles
Would like another tough mid in for the next game against Geelong, and while he wasn't playing well before that, I think George has looked particularly ineffective because Townsend has stood up.
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Miles definitely in for mine. If Caddy is fit I still think you could find a way to bring both in.
I wasn't too sold on Broad and Castagna today
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Caddy in for Broad
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Caddy in for Broad
Yep
Though I'd look at Short for Castagna
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Outs: Broad. Castagna (4 tackles was better but has been terrible lately).
Ins: Short (better than Broad IMO). Miles (a must against Geelong).
Caddy (probably for the kid but I like what I see).
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Caddy in for Broad
Yep
Though I'd look at Short for Castagna
I agree but that have held firm with George all year.
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Out Broad
In Caddy
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Broad was ok wasn't he?
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Graham 2 games
Broad 9 games
Markov 14 games
Butler 20 games
Castagna 26 games
Townsend 33 games
All very inexperienced players who could get targeted in a final.
I'd like to see Miles in there if possible.
I'd be cautious about replacing Castagna with Caddy. If you end up with Caddy and Townsend in the forward line together then you are sacrificing some of the pace that has got us to where we are.
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How did we all rate Rioli's 2 kicks and 2 tackles...
And one of those 2 kicks he had, he missed a goal from the goal square.
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How did we all rate Rioli's 2 kicks and 2 tackles...
And one of those 2 kicks he had, he missed a goal from the goal square.
Better than :shhGeorge
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How did we all rate Rioli's 2 kicks and 2 tackles...
And one of those 2 kicks he had, he missed a goal from the goal square.
Not good enough. But he's been our most consistent of all three amigos. I'd drop George before the other two.
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At least it will be 22 against 22 next week ....unlike the 22 against 25 a few weeks ago .
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At least it will be 22 against 22 next week ....unlike the 22 against 25 a few weeks ago .
This is why they are having a mighty sook over it on BF. They didn't seem to carry on so much when they had to host Pies or Hawks at the MCG. While they should be confident against us I think they know they're just about due to be rolled by us.
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How did we all rate Rioli's 2 kicks and 2 tackles...
And one of those 2 kicks he had, he missed a goal from the goal square.
Better than :shhGeorge
bothe George and Daniel did a lot of work off the ball. Rioli spent a lot of time on the bench after taking a heavy hit. Missed most of I think the third quarter.
Need Broads height. Really hard to know who to leave out for Caddy.
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How did we all rate Rioli's 2 kicks and 2 tackles...
And one of those 2 kicks he had, he missed a goal from the goal square.
He laid a brilliant tackle near the goal square and should have been rewarded. Came off injured after that tackle.
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I liked George's game. Didn't get much of the ball but contested bloody hard
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How did we all rate Rioli's 2 kicks and 2 tackles...
And one of those 2 kicks he had, he missed a goal from the goal square.
He laid a brilliant tackle near the goal square and should have been rewarded. Came off injured after that tackle.
Is that the brilliant tackle where he let the St.Kilda player go so he could get a handball away?? I know the holding the ball rule is pretty sketchy at the monument but I'm pretty sure if you get a handball away it's not holding the ball.
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How did we all rate Rioli's 2 kicks and 2 tackles...
And one of those 2 kicks he had, he missed a goal from the goal square.
He laid a brilliant tackle near the goal square and should have been rewarded. Came off injured after that tackle.
Is that the brilliant tackle where he let the St.Kilda player go so he could get a handball away?? I know the holding the ball rule is pretty sketchy at the monument but I'm pretty sure if you get a handball away it's not holding the ball.
Thats the one
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Ill throw up a name for a potential out.
McIntosh.
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Does Dusty stay in if he doesn't make an announcement, or worse, says he is off to North?
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I'm pretty sure Rioli's main goals set are to harass, pressure, tackle.
I think you will find Rioli playing more up the field and through the midfield once his body gets bigger and his tank improves. At this stage the easily pleased stat noters should be satisfied.
I for one think we are witnessing the birth of a real special player.
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Ill throw up a name for a potential out.
McIntosh.
Definitely wasn't his best game. However, he is tall and a big body. That gets him over the line IMHO.
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Does Dusty stay in if he doesn't make an announcement, or worse, says he is off to North?
If he were to leave there would be no way he'd announce it before finals. He wants to win as well let's not forget
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Ill throw up a name for a potential out.
McIntosh.
Well spotted, I agree. His last 2-3 games have been shockers. We need Castagna's speed and pressure.
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Ill throw up a name for a potential out.
McIntosh.
Interesting thought.
I like his speed and extra height is a bonus but he doesn't get enough of the ball nor does he win the contested ball near enough.
I think Broad has done ok but I worry about his poise going into the finals. Broad is the sort of bloke that will most likely have a Sheridan moment in the finals also broad doesn't have the penetration in his kicks like short does.
That's why I'd drop Broad and bring in short.
Problem with Caddy and Townsend we loose speed but finals is all about winning contested footy and beating your man on the day.
I'd also look at dropping whoever was supposed to have played on Gresham (who didn't look like had an opponent the whole game)
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How did we all rate Rioli's 2 kicks and 2 tackles...
And one of those 2 kicks he had, he missed a goal from the goal square.
He laid a brilliant tackle near the goal square and should have been rewarded. Came off injured after that tackle.
Is that the brilliant tackle where he let the St.Kilda player go so he could get a handball away?? I know the holding the ball rule is pretty sketchy at the monument but I'm pretty sure if you get a handball away it's not holding the ball.
I haven't seen the reply so I can't be definitive but from what I saw it was incorrect disposal. It should have been paid.
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Ill throw up a name for a potential out.
McIntosh.
Interesting thought.
I like his speed and extra height is a bonus but he doesn't get enough of the ball nor does he win the contested ball near enough.
I think Broad has done ok but I worry about his poise going into the finals. Broad is the sort of bloke that will most likely have a Sheridan moment in the finals also broad doesn't have the penetration in his kicks like short does.
That's why I'd drop Broad and bring in short.
Problem with Caddy and Townsend we loose speed but finals is all about winning contested footy and beating your man on the day.
I'd also look at dropping whoever was supposed to have played on Gresham (who didn't look like had an opponent the whole game)
Problem with Short is he's not a great decision maker - not the type you want in a huge final. I watched him yesterday in the magoos and he got a lot of it but just couldn't find the right move often. Some of the vfl players by comparison we're much better (albeit in a thumping win).
Broad wasn't great yesterday but he's a big strong body - can't deny how important they can be in tough matches.
I'd drop Markov for Caddy, that's about it.
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It is concerning entering finals with so many different inexperienced players but the way I see it, it's great exposure and will be important for their growth.
Let's set the bar for pressure in this years finals.
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It concerns me that unless there is a change we would be going into finals without any backup for Nank. Imagine if he gets injured near the start of a final and we are rucking Grigg or Astbury for the rest of the game. I know Ill probably get belted for this but we need one of Griff, Soldo, Elton to come in as its just too risky not too. I draw the line at them though as Hampton or Maric are just no's for me. I know these options are not ideal but we have what we have and thats it. I certainly would be interested to hear from those that were at the VFL game this week as to which would be the best option.
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Hmmmm Grigg or Astbury v Elton, Soldo, BBBG
Thats a tough one, I think I would almost prefer the first option
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Hmmmm Grigg or Astbury v Elton, Soldo, BBBG
Thats a tough one, I think I would almost prefer the first option
I would even prefer Rioli in the ruck than the second option.
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Out: Panic Merchants
In: Cool Heads
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I'm pretty sure Rioli's main goals set are to harass, pressure, tackle.
I think you will find Rioli playing more up the field and through the midfield once his body gets bigger and his tank improves. At this stage the easily pleased stat noters should be satisfied.
I for one think we are witnessing the birth of a real special player.
And your witnessing this from yesterday??
He had 2 tackles and one was a missed opportunity ten metres out from goal as he had Roberton cold but let him go....
And he had 2 kicks and one was a missed goal from the top of the square under little pressure...
I know he won't get dropped as he lives with the coach but take the blinders off for a minute.
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I'm pretty sure Rioli's main goals set are to harass, pressure, tackle.
I think you will find Rioli playing more up the field and through the midfield once his body gets bigger and his tank improves. At this stage the easily pleased stat noters should be satisfied.
I for one think we are witnessing the birth of a real special player.
And your witnessing this from yesterday??
He had 2 tackles and one was a missed opportunity ten metres out from goal as he had Roberton cold but let him go....
And he had 2 kicks and one was a missed goal from the top of the square under little pressure...
I know he won't get dropped as he lives with the coach but take the blinders off for a minute.
He was still twice as good than Castagna on the day. :shh
But still not good enough.
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It concerns me that unless there is a change we would be going into finals without any backup for Nank. Imagine if he gets injured near the start of a final and we are rucking Grigg or Astbury for the rest of the game. I know Ill probably get belted for this but we need one of Griff, Soldo, Elton to come in as its just too risky not too. I draw the line at them though as Hampton or Maric are just no's for me. I know these options are not ideal but we have what we have and thats it. I certainly would be interested to hear from those that were at the VFL game this week as to which would be the best option.
Good point. It has almost become a rule in the AFL that you must play 2 rucks in September. It is a massive ask of Nankervis, a 32 gamer, to get us through a finals series on his own. However I can't see the club sacrificing any pace or agility for any of those players.
We are going to try and win the finals with our mosquito fleet.
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I'm pretty sure Rioli's main goals set are to harass, pressure, tackle.
I think you will find Rioli playing more up the field and through the midfield once his body gets bigger and his tank improves. At this stage the easily pleased stat noters should be satisfied.
I for one think we are witnessing the birth of a real special player.
And your witnessing this from yesterday??
He had 2 tackles and one was a missed opportunity ten metres out from goal as he had Roberton cold but let him go....
And he had 2 kicks and one was a missed goal from the top of the square under little pressure...
I know he won't get dropped as he lives with the coach but take the blinders off for a minute.
He was still twice as good than Castagna on the day. :shh
But still not good enough.
:lol no he wasn't. Not even close.
But let's be honest you cannot see past your hatered for Cotch to watch the game properly :whistle
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in- Bolton, Griffiths, Caddy
out- George, son of a pole vaulter, ?
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One change
Caddy in
? out
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With the week off this week, do we think it will help or hinder us?
I personally think it won't help, our last couple of weeks have been really good and I'd prefer to just keep on this roll.
Thoughts?
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Cats finished the season full of steam. Stopping their momentum is just as good imo.
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With the week off this week, do we think it will help or hinder us?
I personally think it won't help, our last couple of weeks have been really good and I'd prefer to just keep on this roll.
Thoughts?
Agree
Thats why any blokes who are qualified for VFL finsls I'd look at playing them on Saturday.
Continuity
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With the week off this week, do we think it will help or hinder us?
I personally think it won't help, our last couple of weeks have been really good and I'd prefer to just keep on this roll.
Thoughts?
Not a fan, I think it will be more of a problem for us than a help.
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And your witnessing this from yesterday??
He had 2 tackles and one was a missed opportunity ten metres out from goal as he had Roberton cold but let him go....
Dude broke a rib, I'd cut him a little slack for that one...
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I'm pretty sure Rioli's main goals set are to harass, pressure, tackle.
I think you will find Rioli playing more up the field and through the midfield once his body gets bigger and his tank improves. At this stage the easily pleased stat noters should be satisfied.
I for one think we are witnessing the birth of a real special player.
And your witnessing this from yesterday??
He had 2 tackles and one was a missed opportunity ten metres out from goal as he had Roberton cold but let him go....
And he had 2 kicks and one was a missed goal from the top of the square under little pressure...
I know he won't get dropped as he lives with the coach but take the blinders off for a minute.
He was still twice as good than Castagna on the day. :shh
But still not good enough.
:lol no he wasn't. Not even close.
But let's be honest you cannot see past your hatered for Cotch to watch the game properly :whistle
I never have said I hated Cotchin ever.
I only rate him higher than most and expect more from him than the average footballer on our list.
As for Rioli and Castagna's last game. Both were crap but Rioli was still twice as good.
Rioli had more possessions, twice as many tackles inside f50. More pressure acts, contested possessions and more intercept possessions so he was twice as good or he was not half as bad as your love child lasagna. :whistle
Both need to lift next game if they aren't omitted.
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How did we all rate Rioli's 2 kicks and 2 tackles...
And one of those 2 kicks he had, he missed a goal from the goal square.
He laid a brilliant tackle near the goal square and should have been rewarded. Came off injured after that tackle.
Is that the brilliant tackle where he let the St.Kilda player go so he could get a handball away?? I know the holding the ball rule is pretty sketchy at the monument but I'm pretty sure if you get a handball away it's not holding the ball.
I haven't seen the reply so I can't be definitive but from what I saw it was incorrect disposal. It should have been paid.
Further to this watched the reply. It appears that when Roberton was first tackled he threw the ball up, caught the ball and has then handpassed it.
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I'm pretty sure Rioli's main goals set are to harass, pressure, tackle.
I think you will find Rioli playing more up the field and through the midfield once his body gets bigger and his tank improves. At this stage the easily pleased stat noters should be satisfied.
I for one think we are witnessing the birth of a real special player.
And your witnessing this from yesterday??
He had 2 tackles and one was a missed opportunity ten metres out from goal as he had Roberton cold but let him go....
And he had 2 kicks and one was a missed goal from the top of the square under little pressure...
I know he won't get dropped as he lives with the coach but take the blinders off for a minute.
He was still twice as good than Castagna on the day. :shh
But still not good enough.
:lol no he wasn't. Not even close.
But let's be honest you cannot see past your hatered for Cotch to watch the game properly :whistle
I never have said I hated Cotchin ever.
I only rate him higher than most and expect more from him than the average footballer on our list.
As for Rioli and Castagna's last game. Both were crap but Rioli was still twice as good.
Rioli had more possessions, twice as many tackles inside f50. More pressure acts, contested possessions and more intercept possessions so he was twice as good or he was not half as bad as your love child lasagna. :whistle
Both need to lift next game if they aren't omitted.
What a pathetic effort of twisting a stat to suit your argument.
Rioli had 2 tackles for the game and George had 4 and yet you twist that to favour Rioli. Wowee!
Watching the replay George was pretty good in the first half when the game was on the line. He should have had a goal but was unselfish and gave a "Joe the Goose" handball over the top to Townsend.
Like you say though both need to contribute more but don't try and convince yourself that Rioli has been twice as good as anyone.
In fact if I had to choose between Rioli and a 2nd gamer in Graham to play in a final I would chose Graham every time.
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Rioli was brilliant against Freo the week before. Just watched the replay of that game again on Foxtel Go.
Big tone. You need to lay off Rioli. He is a small forward. Those guys don't rack up big stats. He leads the year in pressure acts in our forward zone. That is what he is asked to do as his number one job. He can't be dropped for doing exactly what the coach asks him to do and doing it well.
As for the 3 amigos, they have almost identical stats for disposals and tackles this year. Amazing.
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It's hard to aspire to a leader who lets his mrs do the moral thinking for him.
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In one sentence you say...
What a pathetic effort of twisting a stat to suit your argument.
Rioli had 2 tackles for the game and George had 4 and yet you twist that to favour Rioli. Wowee!
But then in the next breath say
In fact if I had to choose between Rioli and a 2nd gamer in Graham to play in a final I would chose Graham every time.
Wowee...
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Hardwick said Josh Caddy is almost certain to return to take on the Cats, but he was tossing up whether to give him a hitout in the VFL this week as he recovers from a hamstring injury.
Source: Herald-Sun website (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/damien-hardwick-has-complete-faith-in-his-richmond-team-telling-them-to-embrace-finals-hype/news-story/871fe8b339a62971f94300ff2bd0fe9f)
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In one sentence you say...
What a pathetic effort of twisting a stat to suit your argument.
Rioli had 2 tackles for the game and George had 4 and yet you twist that to favour Rioli. Wowee!
But then in the next breath say
In fact if I had to choose between Rioli and a 2nd gamer in Graham to play in a final I would chose Graham every time.
Wowee...
What has one got to do with the other?
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I'm pretty sure Rioli's main goals set are to harass, pressure, tackle.
I think you will find Rioli playing more up the field and through the midfield once his body gets bigger and his tank improves. At this stage the easily pleased stat noters should be satisfied.
I for one think we are witnessing the birth of a real special player.
And your witnessing this from yesterday??
He had 2 tackles and one was a missed opportunity ten metres out from goal as he had Roberton cold but let him go....
And he had 2 kicks and one was a missed goal from the top of the square under little pressure...
I know he won't get dropped as he lives with the coach but take the blinders off for a minute.
He was still twice as good than Castagna on the day. :shh
But still not good enough.
:lol no he wasn't. Not even close.
But let's be honest you cannot see past your hatered for Cotch to watch the game properly :whistle
I never have said I hated Cotchin ever.
I only rate him higher than most and expect more from him than the average footballer on our list.
As for Rioli and Castagna's last game. Both were crap but Rioli was still twice as good.
Rioli had more possessions, twice as many tackles inside f50. More pressure acts, contested possessions and more intercept possessions so he was twice as good or he was not half as bad as your love child lasagna. :whistle
Both need to lift next game if they aren't omitted.
What a pathetic effort of twisting a stat to suit your argument.
Rioli had 2 tackles for the game and George had 4 and yet you twist that to favour Rioli. Wowee!
Watching the replay George was pretty good in the first half when the game was on the line. He should have had a goal but was unselfish and gave a "Joe the Goose" handball over the top to Townsend.
Like you say though both need to contribute more but don't try and convince yourself that Rioli has been twice as good as anyone.
In fact if I had to choose between Rioli and a 2nd gamer in Graham to play in a final I would chose Graham every time.
You may have but it seems you haven't been critical of Castagna poor performances but are very quick to highlight Rioli.
But you were right I did twist the stats to suit my argument.
The debate was about Rioli and Castagnas game against saints but not anything to do with Graham who I'm sure we all are very impressed with.
All three amigos have had pretty good years no doubt their contribution has helped in our current position. But I think I'm not alone in seeing massive upside in Rioli over Castagna not to say that Castagna couldn't improve or hasn't already improved.
Out of the three I'd put Rioli on top with the most ability. Butler second and Castagna last because his kicking is atrocious and he lacks the decision making skill of the other two. I also think that out of the three I see Rioli and Butler eventually progressing into the middle but I don't think the same with Castagna.
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I'm pretty sure Rioli's main goals set are to harass, pressure, tackle.
I think you will find Rioli playing more up the field and through the midfield once his body gets bigger and his tank improves. At this stage the easily pleased stat noters should be satisfied.
I for one think we are witnessing the birth of a real special player.
And your witnessing this from yesterday??
He had 2 tackles and one was a missed opportunity ten metres out from goal as he had Roberton cold but let him go....
And he had 2 kicks and one was a missed goal from the top of the square under little pressure...
I know he won't get dropped as he lives with the coach but take the blinders off for a minute.
He was still twice as good than Castagna on the day. :shh
But still not good enough.
:lol no he wasn't. Not even close.
But let's be honest you cannot see past your hatered for Cotch to watch the game properly :whistle
I never have said I hated Cotchin ever.
I only rate him higher than most and expect more from him than the average footballer on our list.
As for Rioli and Castagna's last game. Both were crap but Rioli was still twice as good.
Rioli had more possessions, twice as many tackles inside f50. More pressure acts, contested possessions and more intercept possessions so he was twice as good or he was not half as bad as your love child lasagna. :whistle
Both need to lift next game if they aren't omitted.
What a pathetic effort of twisting a stat to suit your argument.
Rioli had 2 tackles for the game and George had 4 and yet you twist that to favour Rioli. Wowee!
Watching the replay George was pretty good in the first half when the game was on the line. He should have had a goal but was unselfish and gave a "Joe the Goose" handball over the top to Townsend.
Like you say though both need to contribute more but don't try and convince yourself that Rioli has been twice as good as anyone.
In fact if I had to choose between Rioli and a 2nd gamer in Graham to play in a final I would chose Graham every time.
You may have but it seems you haven't been critical of Castagna poor performances but are very quick to highlight Rioli.
But you were right I did twist the stats to suit my argument.
The debate was about Rioli and Castagnas game against saints but not anything to do with Graham who I'm sure we all are very impressed with.
All three amigos have had pretty good years no doubt their contribution has helped in our current position. But I think I'm not alone in seeing massive upside in Rioli over Castagna not to say that Castagna couldn't improve or hasn't already improved.
Out of the three I'd put Rioli on top with the most ability. Butler second and Castagna last because his kicking is atrocious and he lacks the decision making skill of the other two. I also think that out of the three I see Rioli and Butler eventually progressing into the middle but I don't think the same with Castagna.
I'm not saying Rioli doesn't have upside but I'm judging him on his output this season and imo it's below the other two.
He is a first round draft pick that should be running rings around the other two but he is not. Far from it.
He missed a goal from the top of the goal square and had 1 other kick for the entire day. And 2 tackles one of which he should have nailed but he didn't.
The other reference to Graham was I think a 2nd game player has already shown he is more comfortable at the level. And if it were up to me if I had to choose out of the two who plays against Geelong, I'd choose Graham.
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It's hard to aspire to a leader who lets his mrs do the moral thinking for him.
Yeah but he also has a direct phone line to god so it all evens out
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Spoke to a Geelong supporter who stated boldly that whoever wins on Friday of next week is guaranteed a grand final berth given the winner of the Tigers/Cats clash will most likely next play Port Adelaide in Victoria. What do people think?
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Why Port??
If they beat west coast and that's a big if given west coasts record in Adelaide, they'd then have to beat the loser of adelaide GWS. I don't give them
Much chance of making the prelim
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I'm pretty sure Rioli's main goals set are to harass, pressure, tackle.
I think you will find Rioli playing more up the field and through the midfield once his body gets bigger and his tank improves. At this stage the easily pleased stat noters should be satisfied.
I for one think we are witnessing the birth of a real special player.
And your witnessing this from yesterday??
He had 2 tackles and one was a missed opportunity ten metres out from goal as he had Roberton cold but let him go....
And he had 2 kicks and one was a missed goal from the top of the square under little pressure...
I know he won't get dropped as he lives with the coach but take the blinders off for a minute.
He was still twice as good than Castagna on the day. :shh
But still not good enough.
:lol no he wasn't. Not even close.
But let's be honest you cannot see past your hatered for Cotch to watch the game properly :whistle
I never have said I hated Cotchin ever.
I only rate him higher than most and expect more from him than the average footballer on our list.
As for Rioli and Castagna's last game. Both were crap but Rioli was still twice as good.
Rioli had more possessions, twice as many tackles inside f50. More pressure acts, contested possessions and more intercept possessions so he was twice as good or he was not half as bad as your love child lasagna. :whistle
Both need to lift next game if they aren't omitted.
What a pathetic effort of twisting a stat to suit your argument.
Rioli had 2 tackles for the game and George had 4 and yet you twist that to favour Rioli. Wowee!
Watching the replay George was pretty good in the first half when the game was on the line. He should have had a goal but was unselfish and gave a "Joe the Goose" handball over the top to Townsend.
Like you say though both need to contribute more but don't try and convince yourself that Rioli has been twice as good as anyone.
In fact if I had to choose between Rioli and a 2nd gamer in Graham to play in a final I would chose Graham every time.
You may have but it seems you haven't been critical of Castagna poor performances but are very quick to highlight Rioli.
But you were right I did twist the stats to suit my argument.
The debate was about Rioli and Castagnas game against saints but not anything to do with Graham who I'm sure we all are very impressed with.
All three amigos have had pretty good years no doubt their contribution has helped in our current position. But I think I'm not alone in seeing massive upside in Rioli over Castagna not to say that Castagna couldn't improve or hasn't already improved.
Out of the three I'd put Rioli on top with the most ability. Butler second and Castagna last because his kicking is atrocious and he lacks the decision making skill of the other two. I also think that out of the three I see Rioli and Butler eventually progressing into the middle but I don't think the same with Castagna.
I'm not saying Rioli doesn't have upside but I'm judging him on his output this season and imo it's below the other two.
He is a first round draft pick that should be running rings around the other two but he is not. Far from it.
He missed a goal from the top of the goal square and had 1 other kick for the entire day. And 2 tackles one of which he should have nailed but he didn't.
The other reference to Graham was I think a 2nd game player has already shown he is more comfortable at the level. And if it were up to me if I had to choose out of the two who plays against Geelong, I'd choose Graham.
Sounds like to me your carrying on a dumb arse debate similar to your Elton v Soldo one
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hmm not gunna comment on the current little spat going on. But if i had a choice between the FIVE young small players on the list based on upside id take Bolton over all of them.Unfortunately upside does not always equal performance.
As for performance or runs on the board id say sam Lloyd has outperformed all of them but like most people i think there is little upside with him hence we talk about upside and potential.
Of the 5 kids just my opinion but i think they have all been oirdinary at afl level with Castagna possibly the best performed.
One thing for sure they all have to be much better than what they have given at the level.
lets see in order
Bolton
Rioli
Stengle
Butler
Castagna.
We have had what? about 13 games where we have kicked less than 12 goals a game and imo that is mostly down to the smalls and Caddy. We are getting just one goal a game out of all of them and it has left too much onus on Riewoldt Martin and the rest of the mids to kick enough goals.When 3/4 of your fwd set up can only produce 1 goal apiece it is little wonder we have been involved in so many low scoring games.
We literally are getting glass half full performances from the sml brigade of fwds the reality is we need more fwds who are full glass types.
Townsend has come in he not only has given us scoreboard impact allowing for better scores but he also gave us the neccesary defense pressure. All this we need small and quick players to be able to apply enough pressure is b/s and the townsend move to a degree proves this.Also the Townsend move highlights the need for our fwds to be full glasses and to hit the scoreboard a hell of a lot more. Imo we still desperately need a quick agile tall fwd who can take a grab.
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AFL website's Richmond best 22 for the QF:
They have Caddy in for Markov.
RICHMOND
B: Nick Vlastuin, Alex Rance, Dylan Grimes
HB: Bachar Houli, David Astbury, Brandon Ellis
C: Shaun Grigg, Trent Cotchin, Shane Edwards
HF: Daniel Rioli, Josh Caddy, Kane Lambert
F: Dan Butler, Jack Riewoldt, Jacob Townsend
Foll: Toby Nankervis, Dustin Martin, Dion Prestia
INT: Jack Graham, Kamdyn McIntosh, Nathan Broad, Jason Castagna
UNAVAILABLE: Nil
There should only be one change to the round 23 team to make way for Josh Caddy and it will be a tough decision for the match committee. It shapes as a decision between Oleg Markov, Jason Castagna and Nathan Broad. Castagna had four possessions against St Kilda and hasn't kicked a goal in his past four matches, but his pressure, speed and hardness in the forward line has been crucial and he has played every game this season. Likewise, Broad has become important for structure in the past two months despite some nervous moments in defence against the Saints. Markov is the player making way in this 22, with the Tigers to stick with a small forward line, using Caddy in attack. - Nathan Schmook
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-09-03/the-finalists-best-22
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hmm not gunna comment on the current little spat going on. But if i had a choice between the FIVE young small players on the list based on upside id take Bolton over all of them.Unfortunately upside does not always equal performance.
As for performance or runs on the board id say sam Lloyd has outperformed all of them but like most people i think there is little upside with him hence we talk about upside and potential.
Of the 5 kids just my opinion but i think they have all been oirdinary at afl level with Castagna possibly the best performed.
One thing for sure they all have to be much better than what they have given at the level.
lets see in order
Bolton
Rioli
Stengle
Butler
Castagna.
We have had what? about 13 games where we have kicked less than 12 goals a game and imo that is mostly down to the smalls and Caddy. We are getting just one goal a game out of all of them and it has left too much onus on Riewoldt Martin and the rest of the mids to kick enough goals.When 3/4 of your fwd set up can only produce 1 goal apiece it is little wonder we have been involved in so many low scoring games.
We literally are getting glass half full performances from the sml brigade of fwds the reality is we need more fwds who are full glass types.
Townsend has come in he not only has given us scoreboard impact allowing for better scores but he also gave us the neccesary defense pressure. All this we need small and quick players to be able to apply enough pressure is b/s and the townsend move to a degree proves this.Also the Townsend move highlights the need for our fwds to be full glasses and to hit the scoreboard a hell of a lot more. Imo we still desperately need a quick agile tall fwd who can take a grab.
I agree with your assessment on Bolton, at the moment he has good upside but on the weekend he went missing in the first half and flitted in and out of the game in the second half.
And this was only a VFL match.
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Couldn't possibly have any less of an impact than Castagna currently is....
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AFL finals: Richmond Tigers with plenty of depth after VFL success
Greg Denham
The Australian
4 September 2017
Richmond will have the added benefit of having their VFL team in the finals for at least another week after an elimination final win on the weekend.
The Tigers have plenty of depth should they need to make changes during the AFL finals series, which starts for them in a qualifying final clash on Friday night at the MCG against Geelong, a game expected to attract close to the venue’s capacity of 100,000.
The Tigers appear almost certain to recall Josh Caddy from the hamstring strain that kept him out of the final two rounds of the season after he trained strongly late last week.
But if there are any other changes required, Richmond, who have played 38 at the elite level this season, could call on any of up to 10 players from their VFL side according to general manager of football operations Neil Balme.
“Most of them did a bit,” Balme said. “Caddy should come in if he trains well this week. But it is helpful that the VFL team is still playing and some of our players are still getting match conditioning.”
Richmond, with a full-strength list to select from other than Nathan Drummond, had a number of players push their case over the next month in the VFL including Ben Griffiths, Shai Bolton, Reece Conca, Sam Lloyd, Jayden Short, Corey Ellis, Connor Menadue, Anthony Miles and Shaun Hampson.
“We’ve been lucky to have had a full list to pick from, but that can change,” Balme said.
Midfielder Miles was outstanding in the VFL elimination final win against Collingwood, where Conca and Griffiths got in valuable match conditioning after being off the scene since earlier in the season with injuries.
Miles had 37 possessions, including 19 contested and nine clearances.
The emergence late in the season of first-year midfielder Jack Graham, forward Jacob Townsend, who has booted 11 goals in two games, Nathan Broad and Alex Markov has kept others out of the senior team.
Teenager Graham, who has made 18 tackles in his two games, has been solid after spending the first three months of the season on the long-term injury list recovering from a fractured ankle and then gaining match fitness in the VFL.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/afl/afl-finals-richmond-tigers-with-plenty-of-depth-after-vfl-success/news-story/832820fb366418d8ce8977202d20527d
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Hammy injury over, Tiger forward set to play
afl.com.au
4 September 2017
RICHMOND forward Josh Caddy appears set to return from a hamstring injury for Friday night's blockbuster qualifying final against Geelong after re-joining the Tigers' main training group.
Caddy, who has been sidelined since round 21 when he suffered the first hamstring injury of his career, trained on Friday and started Monday's session with the main group.
The 24-year-old, who has been valuable as a marking target in a small forward line, was running at full pace and completed kicking drills before the session was closed to the media after 30 minutes.
"He trained with us last Friday and he'll train again this week. Hopefully he puts his hand up and gets through training," teammate Shaun Grigg said on Monday.
With Caddy available, the Tigers are expected to make one change for Friday night's clash at the MCG but have significant depth pushing up in the VFL.
Midfielder Anthony Miles was dominant in the Tigers' elimination final win against Collingwood's VFL team on Saturday with 37 possessions (19 contested), nine clearances, six inside 50s and a goal, while forward Sam Lloyd (36 and a goal) and Corey Ellis (26 and a goal) were important.
Ruckman Shaun Hampson was also a standout in the ruck with 36 hit-outs, while tall forward Ben Griffiths showed positive signs, opening the slim possibility that the Tigers could opt for a second tall forward or ruckman.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-09-04/star-forward-josh-caddy-set-to-return-for-tigers
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Couldn't possibly have any less of an impact than Castagna currently is....
No doubt George's form has dropped off the last 3 weeks although I thought he was pretty decent in the first half when the game was to be won against St. Kilda. And I don't think even the most one eyed supporters can argue that Rioli has been in the same boat for much of the year, but as a collective along with Buttler, they have been a very good reason we are where we are. And to mess with that now would be plain stupid.
Caddy will most definitely come in and I think Hardwick has shown that Markov isn't in his "favourites group" so I think he goes out.
Like most I'd have the panic merchants in BEllis and Houli out first but that is never going to happen so all we can do is hope the ball stays away from them and more importantly their apponents.
Pumped for this week though- massive game for this footy club.
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In one sentence you say...
What a pathetic effort of twisting a stat to suit your argument.
Rioli had 2 tackles for the game and George had 4 and yet you twist that to favour Rioli. Wowee!
But then in the next breath say
In fact if I had to choose between Rioli and a 2nd gamer in Graham to play in a final I would chose Graham every time.
Wowee...
What has one got to do with the other?
Perhaps that you complain about someone "twisting a stat to suit their argument" in a Rioli v George debate but then you bring in Graham as if it somehow justifies your opinion that George is better than Rioli.
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Snip! Disagree with each other without the insults, ppl!
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SuperFooty Podcast: Will Richmond pick Josh Caddy for Geelong final and who makes way if they do?
Michael Randall,
Herald Sun
September 5, 2017
RICHMOND has an embarrassment of riches at its disposal ahead of its qualifying final clash with Geelong, but that leaves coach Damien Hardwick with plenty of selection headaches.
With hard man Josh Caddy ready to return from a hamstring injury, the Tigers have to decide who makes way for him — that is if they play him at all.
Lauren Wood said on the SuperFooty Podcast that Jacob Townsend — after booting 11 goals in two weeks — must play.
And Mark Robinson said that makes things hard for the Tigers’ selection committee.
“That’s a risk,” Robbo said.
“They brought Townsend in to play that role and if they bring him (Caddy) back in, they’re going to have two similar players, playing that one role.
“They might say, ‘hang on, we can’t play them both’. It might be Caddy or Jacob Townsend.”
Anthony Hudson said there was no doubt Townsend would line up.
Lauren believes Oleg Markov could be the Tiger to make way.
“I would think if anyone’s going to come out it’s going to be Oleg Markov,” she said.
“It’s going to be huge for Josh Caddy, he hasn’t played since round 21, coming up against his old team, particularly with a soft tissue injury.”
Jack Graham was also mentioned as someone who could make way.
Sam Landsberger said speedy goalsneak Shai Bolton put his hand up in Richmond’s VFL elimination final win over Collingwood.
“Could he pinch Jason Castagna’s spot, or is he safe?” Sam said.
But Robbo believes the Tigers will stick with Castagna — who has played every game this season.
“I think they’d go with Castagna, because he’s been the player ahead of Bolton all year, I’d be surprised,” he said.
“But I saw Bolton play on the weekend in the VFL, he was just waltzing around players, like they didn’t exist.”
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/superfooty-podcast-will-richmond-pick-josh-caddy-for-geelong-final-and-who-makes-way-if-they-do/news-story/cc3798026ce0b053c490fd38050c7d75
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In the Mix
Forward Josh Caddy appears set to return from a hamstring injury. The former Cat trained fully on Friday and started Monday's session with the main group, running at full pace and completing kicking drills. The Tigers have significant depth pushing up in the VFL if they make more than one change, with midfielder Anthony Miles (37 possessions, nine clearances, six inside 50s and a goal) dominant in the elimination final win against Collingwood's VFL team. Forward Sam Lloyd (36 and a goal) and Corey Ellis (26 and a goal) were important, with big man Shaun Hampson (36 hit-outs) a standout in the ruck. Ben Griffiths is available if a second tall forward is needed. Small forward Shai Bolton (two goals in the VFL) is a wildcard option. - Nathan Schmook
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-09-04/in-the-mix-stuff-one
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Caddy, Townsend and Castagna will all play tomorrow night according to Dimma today.
You would think that means Markov is the one to make way for Caddy.
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Making the team slower......:clapping
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Making the team slower......:clapping
Yet stronger in contested footy, which we got smashed in by the Cats in Round 21... :clapping
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Caddyslack's contested abilities are massively overrated....
...amd we didn't have Townsend last time either.... :shh
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Caddyslack's contested abilities are massively overrated....
and often understated. Late in games his size and strength doesn't diminish - smaller guys who play on willpower do.
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I'd bring in Miles if it were up to me. Wet weather specialist.
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Looks like being horrible day weather wise on Friday but might clear up a bit for the evening. Does wet weather favor the big bodied but slower guys or the smaller faster guys.
It also means we probably wont toy with the extra big man this week. Having just Nank to ruck really bothers me though. We have got away with it several times this year but there is a lot on the line this game.
Interesting considerations and selections to be made.
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I would make the following changes
In Caddy, Miles
Out Broad, Markov
B Grimes Astbury Vlossy
HB Houli Rance B Ellis
C McIntosh Dusty Grigg
HF Lambert Towner Rioli
F Butler Jack George
R Nank Prestia Cotchin
Int Caddy, Edwards, Miles, Graham
The only issue here is if a defender goes down we are a little short handed which may save Broad and Miles will miss out..
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Making the team slower......:clapping
Yes, only chance to win is to out run them and so we put a plodder in!
Another genius move by Dimwit. Next week he'll bring in Griffiths and Conca
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I could understand bringing Griff into team if weather was good, but can't agree with the Miles obsession. I think Bolton's 10 touches are worth more than Miles' 25.
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Just noticed your Avatar.
I assume you are voting Yes.
:thumbsup
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Hopefully everyone is getting their colours on tomorrow night.
Need to use the advantage of having this game at the G (OUR home ground) as much as possible.
Lets turn the G into a sea of Yellow & Black & let the boys know we are right behind them.
Be loud & proud Tigers.
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Just noticed your Avatar.
I assume you are voting Yes.
:thumbsup
Good one! Actually I'm anti everything, particularly Miles campaigners. :gotigers
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Got a feeling it may be:
In : Miles Caddy
Out : Prestia (inj.) Markov
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Got a feeling it may be:
In : Miles Caddy
Out : Prestia (inj.) Markov
A feeling or you heard something?
We'll find out in about 10...
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Just noticed your Avatar.
I assume you are voting Yes.
:thumbsup
Good one! Actually I'm anti everything, particularly Miles campaigners. :gotigers
Would you then respect someone who is anti anti? Or be anti-anti anti?
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Only if they're a Tiger supporter.
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Only if they're a Tiger supporter.
:clapping :gotigers