Changes for Qualifying Final against Cats?

[tony_montana]

Why Port??
If they beat west coast and that's a big if given west coasts record in Adelaide, they'd then have to beat the loser of adelaide GWS. I don't give them
Much chance of making the prelim

[Chuck17]

I'm pretty sure Rioli's main goals set are to harass, pressure, tackle.

I think you will find Rioli playing more up the field and through the midfield once his body gets bigger and his tank improves.  At this stage the easily pleased stat noters should be satisfied.

I for one think we are witnessing the birth of a real special player.

And your witnessing this from yesterday??
He had 2 tackles and one was a missed opportunity ten metres out from goal as he had Roberton cold but let him go....
And he had 2 kicks and one was a missed goal from the top of the square under little pressure...

I know he won't get dropped as he lives with the coach but take the blinders off for a minute.

He was still twice as good than Castagna on the day. 

But still not good enough.

no he wasn't. Not even close.
But let's be honest you cannot see past your hatered for Cotch to watch the game properly 

I never have said I hated Cotchin ever.
I only rate him higher than most and expect more from him than the average footballer on our list. 

As for Rioli and Castagna's last game. Both were crap but Rioli was still twice as good.
Rioli had more possessions, twice as many tackles inside f50. More pressure acts, contested possessions and more intercept possessions so he was twice as good or he was not half as bad as your love child lasagna. 
 Both need to lift next game if they aren't omitted.

What a pathetic effort of twisting a stat to suit your argument.
Rioli had 2 tackles for the game and George had 4 and yet you twist that to favour Rioli. Wowee!
Watching the replay George was pretty good in the first half when the game was on the line. He should have had a goal but was unselfish and gave a "Joe the Goose" handball over the top to Townsend.
Like you say though both need to contribute more but don't try and convince yourself that Rioli has been twice as good as anyone.
In fact if I had to choose between Rioli and a 2nd gamer in Graham to play in a final I would chose Graham every time.

You may have but it seems you haven't been critical of Castagna poor performances but are very quick to highlight Rioli.
But you were right I did twist the stats to suit my argument.

The debate was about Rioli and Castagnas game against saints but not anything to do with Graham who I'm sure we all are very impressed with. 

All three amigos have had pretty good years no doubt their contribution has helped in our current position. But I think I'm not alone in seeing massive upside in Rioli over Castagna not to say that Castagna couldn't improve or hasn't already improved.
Out of the three I'd put Rioli on top with the most ability. Butler second and Castagna last because his kicking is atrocious and he lacks the decision making skill of the other two. I also think that out of the three I see Rioli and Butler eventually progressing into the middle but I don't think the same with Castagna.

I'm not saying Rioli doesn't have upside but I'm judging him on his output this season and imo it's below the other two.
He is a first round draft pick that should be running rings around the other two but he is not. Far from it.
He missed a goal from the top of the goal square and had 1 other kick for the entire day. And 2 tackles one of which he should have nailed but he didn't.

The other reference to Graham was I think a 2nd game player has already shown he is more comfortable at the level. And if it were up to me if I had to choose out of the two who plays against Geelong, I'd choose Graham.

Sounds like to me your carrying on a dumb arse debate similar to your Elton v Soldo one

[the claw]

hmm not gunna comment on the current little spat going on. But if i had a choice between the FIVE young  small players on the list based on upside id take Bolton over all of them.Unfortunately upside does not always equal  performance.

As for performance or runs on the board id say sam Lloyd has outperformed all of them but like most people i think there is little upside with him hence we talk about upside and potential.
Of the 5 kids just my opinion but i think they have all been oirdinary at afl level with Castagna possibly the best performed.
One thing for sure they all have to be much better than what they have given at the level.

lets see in order
Bolton
Rioli
Stengle
Butler
Castagna.

We have had what? about 13 games where we have kicked less than 12 goals a game and imo that is mostly down to the smalls and Caddy. We are getting just one goal a game out of all of them and it has left too much onus on Riewoldt Martin and the rest of the mids to kick enough goals.When 3/4 of your fwd set up can only produce 1 goal apiece it is little wonder we have been involved in  so many low scoring games.

We literally are getting glass half full performances from the sml brigade of fwds the reality is we need more fwds who are full glass types.

Townsend has come in he not only has given us scoreboard impact allowing for better scores but he also gave us the neccesary defense pressure. All  this we need small and quick players to be able to apply enough pressure is b/s and the townsend move to a degree proves this.Also the Townsend move highlights the need for our fwds to be full glasses and to hit the scoreboard a hell of a lot more. Imo we still desperately need a quick agile tall fwd who can take a grab.

[one-eyed]

AFL website's Richmond best 22 for the QF:

They have Caddy in for Markov.

RICHMOND

B: Nick Vlastuin, Alex Rance, Dylan Grimes
HB: Bachar Houli, David Astbury, Brandon Ellis
C: Shaun Grigg, Trent Cotchin, Shane Edwards
HF: Daniel Rioli, Josh Caddy, Kane Lambert
F: Dan Butler, Jack Riewoldt, Jacob Townsend
Foll: Toby Nankervis, Dustin Martin, Dion Prestia
INT: Jack Graham, Kamdyn McIntosh, Nathan Broad, Jason Castagna

UNAVAILABLE: Nil

There should only be one change to the round 23 team to make way for Josh Caddy and it will be a tough decision for the match committee. It shapes as a decision between Oleg Markov, Jason Castagna and Nathan Broad. Castagna had four possessions against St Kilda and hasn't kicked a goal in his past four matches, but his pressure, speed and hardness in the forward line has been crucial and he has played every game this season. Likewise, Broad has become important for structure in the past two months despite some nervous moments in defence against the Saints. Markov is the player making way in this 22, with the Tigers to stick with a small forward line, using Caddy in attack. - Nathan Schmook

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-09-03/the-finalists-best-22

[yandb]

hmm not gunna comment on the current little spat going on. But if i had a choice between the FIVE young  small players on the list based on upside id take Bolton over all of them.Unfortunately upside does not always equal  performance.

As for performance or runs on the board id say sam Lloyd has outperformed all of them but like most people i think there is little upside with him hence we talk about upside and potential.
Of the 5 kids just my opinion but i think they have all been oirdinary at afl level with Castagna possibly the best performed.
One thing for sure they all have to be much better than what they have given at the level.

lets see in order
Bolton
Rioli
Stengle
Butler
Castagna.

We have had what? about 13 games where we have kicked less than 12 goals a game and imo that is mostly down to the smalls and Caddy. We are getting just one goal a game out of all of them and it has left too much onus on Riewoldt Martin and the rest of the mids to kick enough goals.When 3/4 of your fwd set up can only produce 1 goal apiece it is little wonder we have been involved in  so many low scoring games.

We literally are getting glass half full performances from the sml brigade of fwds the reality is we need more fwds who are full glass types.

Townsend has come in he not only has given us scoreboard impact allowing for better scores but he also gave us the neccesary defense pressure. All  this we need small and quick players to be able to apply enough pressure is b/s and the townsend move to a degree proves this.Also the Townsend move highlights the need for our fwds to be full glasses and to hit the scoreboard a hell of a lot more. Imo we still desperately need a quick agile tall fwd who can take a grab.

I agree with your assessment on Bolton, at the moment he has good upside but on the weekend he went missing in the first half and flitted in and out of the game in the second half.

And this was only a VFL match.

[Diocletian]

Couldn't possibly have any less of an impact than Castagna currently is....

[one-eyed]

AFL finals: Richmond Tigers with plenty of depth after VFL success

Greg Denham
The Australian
4 September 2017

Richmond will have the added benefit of having their VFL team in the finals for at least another week after an elimination final win on the weekend.

The Tigers have plenty of depth should they need to make changes during the AFL finals series, which starts for them in a qualifying final clash on Friday night at the MCG against Geelong, a game expected to attract close to the venue’s ­capacity of 100,000.

The Tigers appear almost ­certain to recall Josh Caddy from the hamstring strain that kept him out of the final two rounds of the season after he trained strongly late last week.

But if there are any other changes required, Richmond, who have played 38 at the elite level this season, could call on any of up to 10 players from their VFL side ­according to general manager of football operations Neil Balme.

“Most of them did a bit,” Balme said. “Caddy should come in if he trains well this week. But it is helpful that the VFL team is still playing and some of our players are still getting match conditioning.”

Richmond, with a full-strength list to select from other than ­Nathan Drummond, had a ­number of players push their case over the next month in the VFL ­including Ben Griffiths, Shai ­Bolton, Reece Conca, Sam Lloyd, Jayden Short, Corey Ellis, Connor Menadue, Anthony Miles and Shaun ­Hampson.

“We’ve been lucky to have had a full list to pick from, but that can change,” Balme said.

Midfielder Miles was outstanding in the VFL elimination final win against Collingwood, where Conca and Griffiths got in valuable match conditioning after being off the scene since earlier in the ­season with injuries.

Miles had 37 possessions, ­including 19 contested and nine clearances.

The emergence late in the ­season of first-year midfielder Jack Graham, forward Jacob Townsend, who has booted 11 goals in two games, Nathan Broad and Alex Markov has kept others out of the senior team.

Teenager Graham, who has made 18 tackles in his two games, has been solid after spending the first three months of the season on the long-term injury list recovering from a fractured ankle and then gaining match fitness in the VFL.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/afl/afl-finals-richmond-tigers-with-plenty-of-depth-after-vfl-success/news-story/832820fb366418d8ce8977202d20527d

[one-eyed]

Hammy injury over, Tiger forward set to play

afl.com.au
4 September 2017

RICHMOND forward Josh Caddy appears set to return from a hamstring injury for Friday night's blockbuster qualifying final against Geelong after re-joining the Tigers' main training group. 

Caddy, who has been sidelined since round 21 when he suffered the first hamstring injury of his career, trained on Friday and started Monday's session with the main group. 

The 24-year-old, who has been valuable as a marking target in a small forward line, was running at full pace and completed kicking drills before the session was closed to the media after 30 minutes.   

"He trained with us last Friday and he'll train again this week. Hopefully he puts his hand up and gets through training," teammate Shaun Grigg said on Monday.   

With Caddy available, the Tigers are expected to make one change for Friday night's clash at the MCG but have significant depth pushing up in the VFL. 

Midfielder Anthony Miles was dominant in the Tigers' elimination final win against Collingwood's VFL team on Saturday with 37 possessions (19 contested), nine clearances, six inside 50s and a goal, while forward Sam Lloyd (36 and a goal) and Corey Ellis (26 and a goal) were important.   

Ruckman Shaun Hampson was also a standout in the ruck with 36 hit-outs, while tall forward Ben Griffiths showed positive signs, opening the slim possibility that the Tigers could opt for a second tall forward or ruckman.   

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-09-04/star-forward-josh-caddy-set-to-return-for-tigers

[big tone]

Couldn't possibly have any less of an impact than Castagna currently is....

No doubt George's form has dropped off the last 3 weeks although I thought he was pretty decent in the first half when the game was to be won against St. Kilda. And I don't think even the most one eyed supporters can argue that Rioli has been in the same boat for much of the year, but as a collective along with Buttler, they have been a very good reason we are where we are. And to mess with that now would be plain stupid.

Caddy will most definitely come in and I think Hardwick has shown that Markov isn't in his "favourites group" so I think he goes out.

Like most I'd have the panic merchants in BEllis and Houli out first but that is never going to happen so all we can do is hope the ball stays away from them and more importantly their apponents.

Pumped for this week though- massive game for this footy club.

[Yeahright]

In one sentence you say...

What a pathetic effort of twisting a stat to suit your argument.
Rioli had 2 tackles for the game and George had 4 and yet you twist that to favour Rioli. Wowee!

But then in the next breath say

In fact if I had to choose between Rioli and a 2nd gamer in Graham to play in a final I would chose Graham every time.

Wowee...

What has one got to do with the other?

Perhaps that you complain about someone "twisting a stat to suit their argument" in a Rioli v George debate but then you bring in Graham as if it somehow justifies your opinion that George is better than Rioli.

[one-eyed]

Snip! Disagree with each other without the insults, ppl!

[one-eyed]

SuperFooty Podcast: Will Richmond pick Josh Caddy for Geelong final and who makes way if they do?

Michael Randall,
Herald Sun
September 5, 2017

RICHMOND has an embarrassment of riches at its disposal ahead of its qualifying final clash with Geelong, but that leaves coach Damien Hardwick with plenty of selection headaches.

With hard man Josh Caddy ready to return from a hamstring injury, the Tigers have to decide who makes way for him — that is if they play him at all.

Lauren Wood said on the SuperFooty Podcast that Jacob Townsend — after booting 11 goals in two weeks — must play.

And Mark Robinson said that makes things hard for the Tigers’ selection committee.

“That’s a risk,” Robbo said.

“They brought Townsend in to play that role and if they bring him (Caddy) back in, they’re going to have two similar players, playing that one role.

“They might say, ‘hang on, we can’t play them both’. It might be Caddy or Jacob Townsend.”

Anthony Hudson said there was no doubt Townsend would line up.

Lauren believes Oleg Markov could be the Tiger to make way.

“I would think if anyone’s going to come out it’s going to be Oleg Markov,” she said.

“It’s going to be huge for Josh Caddy, he hasn’t played since round 21, coming up against his old team, particularly with a soft tissue injury.”

Jack Graham was also mentioned as someone who could make way.

Sam Landsberger said speedy goalsneak Shai Bolton put his hand up in Richmond’s VFL elimination final win over Collingwood.

“Could he pinch Jason Castagna’s spot, or is he safe?” Sam said.

But Robbo believes the Tigers will stick with Castagna — who has played every game this season.

“I think they’d go with Castagna, because he’s been the player ahead of Bolton all year, I’d be surprised,” he said.

“But I saw Bolton play on the weekend in the VFL, he was just waltzing around players, like they didn’t exist.”

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/superfooty-podcast-will-richmond-pick-josh-caddy-for-geelong-final-and-who-makes-way-if-they-do/news-story/cc3798026ce0b053c490fd38050c7d75

[one-eyed]

In the Mix

Forward Josh Caddy appears set to return from a hamstring injury. The former Cat trained fully on Friday and started Monday's session with the main group, running at full pace and completing kicking drills. The Tigers have significant depth pushing up in the VFL if they make more than one change, with midfielder Anthony Miles (37 possessions, nine clearances, six inside 50s and a goal) dominant in the elimination final win against Collingwood's VFL team. Forward Sam Lloyd (36 and a goal) and Corey Ellis (26 and a goal) were important, with big man Shaun Hampson (36 hit-outs) a standout in the ruck. Ben Griffiths is available if a second tall forward is needed. Small forward Shai Bolton (two goals in the VFL) is a wildcard option. - Nathan Schmook   

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-09-04/in-the-mix-stuff-one

[one-eyed]

Caddy, Townsend and Castagna will all play tomorrow night according to Dimma today.

You would think that means Markov is the one to make way for Caddy.

[Diocletian]

Making the team slower......