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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on September 03, 2024, 07:19:39 AM

Title: Jack Dyer Medal 2024 / Dan Rioli wins the DJM
Post by: one-eyed on September 03, 2024, 07:19:39 AM
Who will win our B&F?


According to the coaches' votes:

Shai Bolton - 26
Daniel Rioli - 23
Toby Nankervis - 22
Tim Taranto - 17
Nick Vlastuin - 15
Liam Baker - 13
Noah Balta - 10
Dustin Martin - 9
Dion Prestia - 8
Nathan Broad - 6
Jayden Short - 5
Ben Miller - 1

Total: 155

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2024/09/02/a-club-by-club-look-at-the-2024-aflca-coaches-votes/
Title: Re: Who will win our B&F?
Post by: Tiger Khosh on September 03, 2024, 04:08:28 PM
One of those years, where I don’t think anyone’s season really warrants a best and fairest. With that being the case, I’m hoping it sort of acts as a ‘thanks for all your great years of service’ and goes to either Vlas or Rioli. I’d lean towards Vlas because he’s sticking around, but being our current bnf winner wouldn’t hurt in trade negotiations with Gold Coast either lol.
Title: Re: Who will win our B&F?
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on September 03, 2024, 05:28:47 PM
I’ve never cared less but still keen to go
Title: Re: Who will win our B&F?
Post by: Go Richo 12 on September 03, 2024, 06:02:43 PM
GC’s boom recruit
Title: Re: Who will win our B&F?
Post by: Diocletian on September 03, 2024, 06:15:29 PM
Dow... :clapping
Title: Re: Who will win our B&F?
Post by: JP Tiger on September 03, 2024, 08:05:50 PM
Give it to the only bloke in the top three who's staying!  Take Nank to the Bank!     :clapping

Ok, so he's not really B&F worthy, but at least he'll be here!      :thumbsup
Title: Re: Who will win our B&F?
Post by: WilliamPowell on September 03, 2024, 08:19:42 PM
1st - Vlastuin

2nd - Rioli, D

3rd - Nank (don't think he should be but coaches love him)

4th  - Broad

Cosgrove-Jenkins Medal (best 1st year player) - Campbell
Title: Re: Who will win our B&F?
Post by: eliminator on September 03, 2024, 08:32:31 PM
Daniel is a real chance to win it. If he wins it and leaves the club he would be the first player since 1980 to win it and leave the club in the same year.
Title: Re: Who will win our B&F?
Post by: WilliamPowell on September 03, 2024, 08:47:59 PM
Daniel is a real chance to win it. If he wins it and leaves the club he would be the first player since 1980 to win it and leave the club in the same year.

Geoff Raines won it in 1980 and he didn't leave until after 1982 season. M. Rioli snr won it 1982
Title: Re: Who will win our B&F?
Post by: one-eyed on September 12, 2024, 12:09:11 AM
Richmond’s Jack Dyer Medal will be awarded on Tuesday, October 1.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/award-season-see-all-18-afl-clubs-best-and-fairest-winners-for-2024/news-story/cb2010a08eb30cce08555ca5b71a5b96
Title: Re: Who will win our B&F?
Post by: the claw on September 12, 2024, 10:44:28 PM
My money is on the bloke who played the most games.
Title: Re: Who will win our B&F?
Post by: one-eyed on October 01, 2024, 07:48:43 AM
Richmond’s Jack Dyer Medal will be awarded on Tuesday, October 1.
Bump.
Title: Re: Who will win our B&F?
Post by: Andyy on October 01, 2024, 09:24:01 AM
Hopefully all of DR, Bolton + Baker feature in that top 3-5 for their trade value.
Title: Re: Jack Dyer Medal 2024 / Who will win our B&F?
Post by: one-eyed on October 01, 2024, 06:25:13 PM
7news showed Bolton turning up to the JDM tonight.
Title: Re: Jack Dyer Medal 2024 / Who will win our B&F?
Post by: Francois Jackson on October 01, 2024, 06:35:07 PM
live feed?
Title: Re: Jack Dyer Medal 2024 / Who will win our B&F?
Post by: Diocletian on October 01, 2024, 06:37:48 PM
live feed?

Who do think is doing the catering? Bear Grills? :badidea
Title: Re: Jack Dyer Medal 2024 / Who will win our B&F?
Post by: one-eyed on October 01, 2024, 06:42:08 PM
live feed?
Here you go FJ. Starts at 7pm.

https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1662764/2024-jack-dyer-medal-live
Title: Re: Jack Dyer Medal 2024 / Who will win our B&F?
Post by: one-eyed on October 01, 2024, 06:48:12 PM
Dusty and Dan Rioli also at the JDM.
Title: Re: Jack Dyer Medal 2024 / Who will win our B&F?
Post by: one-eyed on October 01, 2024, 07:08:26 PM
live feed?
Here you go FJ. Starts at 7pm.

https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1662764/2024-jack-dyer-medal-live
Sound not working  :P
Title: Re: Jack Dyer Medal 2024 / Who will win our B&F?
Post by: one-eyed on October 01, 2024, 07:09:40 PM
live feed?
Here you go FJ. Starts at 7pm.

https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1662764/2024-jack-dyer-medal-live
Sound not working  :P
Okay working now.
Title: Re: Jack Dyer Medal 2024 / Who will win our B&F?
Post by: one-eyed on October 01, 2024, 07:26:37 PM
Prez's speech:

- We're 100% behind Yze, Hartley and Livingstone. They'll be give the "clean air" needed.

- Praised Steve Morris for the job with our VFL team and his "promotion" to assistant coach in our AFL program.

- Singled out Nathan Broad for special mention.

- We're going to innovate. Put our members and fans first. With our onfield struggles we need you more than ever.

- Thanked Dusty, Grimes, Marlion, Benny Gale, Balmey.
Title: Re: Jack Dyer Medal 2024 / Who will win our B&F?
Post by: one-eyed on October 01, 2024, 07:32:05 PM
Nank's speech:

- Asked how to get the team motivated when a season has more losses than wins. Nank replied not too hard to get motivated to play for Richmond and the Tiger Army.

- Yze has set the "growth areas" we need to focus on. Such as consistency over 4 quarters. We've shown our gameplan stacks up against the best sides for a couple of quarters. Need to play consistently over 4 quarters.

- We are where we are. Off-season a chance to reflect and refresh. Come back mid-November and be ready to go.

- Didn't mention any names but thanked the players leaving.

- Watching finals there's a stinging feeling to get better in 2025.
Title: Re: Jack Dyer Medal 2024 / Who will win our B&F?
Post by: one-eyed on October 01, 2024, 07:41:29 PM
Yze's speech:

- A couple of players got ill and some were in hospital after a trip to Thailand. The coach mentioned Ben Miller.

- Wasn't the season he hoped for when compared to what he said when he was appointed. However, there is a silver lining as growth comes out of adversity.

- Thanked the partners and families of the players. Got the players to stand up and give a thank you applause to them and Tiger supporters.

- Put up a slide with M.Rioli, Mansell, Campbell, Brown, Hugo, Dow, Sonsie, Banks, Ryan, Miller. Said they were asked to take on more responsibility this year. They will benefit from that experience. It takes time to become an AFL player.

- Excited to get Gibcus and Young.

- Put up another slide with the likes of Lefau, McAuliffe, Clarke, Gray, etc as the next group to get games into.

- Things can turn around more quickly than you expect.
Title: Re: Jack Dyer Medal 2024 / Who will win our B&F?
Post by: Simonator on October 01, 2024, 07:43:01 PM
Ben miller is there ?
Title: Re: Jack Dyer Medal 2024 / Who will win our B&F?
Post by: one-eyed on October 01, 2024, 07:44:20 PM
Our VWFL B&F winner:  Teisha Shadwell and Bryant Parsons.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GYy6AlXawAArVzi?format=jpg&name=small) (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GYy6AlebQAQ1Y81?format=jpg&name=small)
https://x.com/Richmond_FC/status/1841050879522456015

Title: Re: Jack Dyer Medal 2024 / Who will win our B&F?
Post by: one-eyed on October 01, 2024, 07:45:38 PM
Ben miller is there ?
I think Yze meant they had been sick/in hospital after the Thailand trip but they are better now.
Title: Re: Jack Dyer Medal 2024 / Who will win our B&F?
Post by: Simonator on October 01, 2024, 07:47:32 PM
Right thanks for clearing that up. Yze needs a big off season of media training. His lack of charisma is very uninspiring
Title: Re: Jack Dyer Medal 2024 / Who will win our B&F?
Post by: one-eyed on October 01, 2024, 07:52:11 PM
Guinane Medal (VFL Best and Fairest):

A 3-way tie.

On 36 votes:

Lachie Wilson, Tom Brindley and Sam Davidson.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GYy8T_vbQAEJGFq?format=jpg&name=small)
https://x.com/Richmond_FC/status/1841053465826545800
Title: Re: Jack Dyer Medal 2024 / Who will win our B&F?
Post by: one-eyed on October 01, 2024, 07:59:52 PM
VFL B&F votes:

(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/BandF/VFLBandF2024.png)
Title: Re: Jack Dyer Medal 2024 / Who will win our B&F?
Post by: one-eyed on October 01, 2024, 08:06:34 PM
Not sure what the total is so far (up to Round 7) in the JDM but as a guess it looked like Bolton had the most from the individual round by round votes up. He got a few maximum 5 votes.
Title: Re: Jack Dyer Medal 2024 / Who will win our B&F?
Post by: one-eyed on October 01, 2024, 08:10:52 PM
Main meal break. Back at 8.45pm.
Title: Re: Jack Dyer Medal 2024 / Who will win our B&F?
Post by: Francois Jackson on October 01, 2024, 08:14:44 PM
Right thanks for clearing that up. Yze needs a big off season of media training. His lack of charisma is very uninspiring

he has a lot of work to do. He may do with a drink as well from time to time, something he doesnt do :shh
Title: Re: Jack Dyer Medal 2024 / Who will win our B&F?
Post by: Diocletian on October 01, 2024, 08:17:41 PM
Right thanks for clearing that up. Yze needs a big off season of media training. His lack of charisma is very uninspiring

he has a lot of work to do. He may do with a drink as well from time to time, something he doesnt do :shh

He's not a practicing Muslim - has previously mentioned that he doesn't mind a beer or two. :shh
Title: Re: Jack Dyer Medal 2024 / Who will win our B&F?
Post by: Francois Jackson on October 01, 2024, 08:23:37 PM
Right thanks for clearing that up. Yze needs a big off season of media training. His lack of charisma is very uninspiring

he has a lot of work to do. He may do with a drink as well from time to time, something he doesnt do :shh

He's not a practicing Muslim - has previously mentioned that he doesn't mind a beer or two. :shh

perhaps he needs more, and its certainly not what i was told recently from a friend who knows him well
Title: Re: Jack Dyer Medal 2024 / Who will win our B&F?
Post by: WilliamPowell on October 01, 2024, 08:24:51 PM
Ben miller is there ?

Yes he is
Title: Re: Jack Dyer Medal 2024 / Who will win our B&F?
Post by: WilliamPowell on October 01, 2024, 08:52:46 PM
Didn't find the President very inspiring TBBH

But certainly didn't miss his little dig at those wanting out
Title: Re: Jack Dyer Medal 2024 / Who will win our B&F?
Post by: one-eyed on October 01, 2024, 08:54:27 PM
Sam Lonergan just said our 1-4 year players played 170 games this year.



Title: Re: Jack Dyer Medal 2024 / Who will win our B&F?
Post by: one-eyed on October 01, 2024, 08:55:32 PM
Bill Cosgrove/Harry Jenkins Best First Year Player Award:

Seth Campbell

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GYzKprFbQAMqBKv?format=jpg&name=small)
https://x.com/Richmond_FC/status/1841069176687116612
Title: Re: Jack Dyer Medal 2024 / Who will win our B&F?
Post by: Francois Jackson on October 01, 2024, 09:10:03 PM
gee Broady speaks like a true leader IMO.


Title: Re: Jack Dyer Medal 2024 / Who will win our B&F?
Post by: one-eyed on October 01, 2024, 09:17:44 PM
David Mandie Community Award:

Kaleb Smith

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GYzP96iaEAA_07H?format=jpg&name=small)
https://x.com/Richmond_FC/status/1841075021919502402
Title: Re: Jack Dyer Medal 2024 / Who will win our B&F?
Post by: WilliamPowell on October 01, 2024, 09:20:34 PM
Bill Cosgrove/Harry Jenkins Best First Year Player Award:

Seth Campbell

Never in doubt  ;D
Title: Re: Jack Dyer Medal 2024 / Who will win our B&F?
Post by: WilliamPowell on October 01, 2024, 09:22:11 PM
Seriously, how did anyone get votes in the Bulldogs and Lions games?
Title: Re: Jack Dyer Medal 2024 / Who will win our B&F?
Post by: one-eyed on October 01, 2024, 09:27:59 PM
Leaderboard after Round 16:

(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/BandF/JDM2024UpToR16.png)
Title: Re: Jack Dyer Medal 2024 / Who will win our B&F?
Post by: Tiger Khosh on October 01, 2024, 09:43:47 PM
Let’s go Vlas!
Title: Re: Jack Dyer Medal 2024 / Who will win our B&F?
Post by: mightytiges on October 01, 2024, 09:43:55 PM
Surprised to see Miller, Mansell and Campbell so high. Yes, they played well for young cubs at times but not sure how they are ahead of the likes of Balta and Taranto.

Going to be interesting to see how many of Bolton, Baker and Rioli finish top 5 given they are quitting the Club. You'd expect Broady, Floss and Nank to make the top 5 on those numbers. So that leaves just two spots for the rest.   
Title: Re: Jack Dyer Medal 2024 / Who will win our B&F?
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on October 01, 2024, 09:44:27 PM
Didn't find the President very inspiring TBBH

But certainly didn't miss his little dig at those wanting out

Is anyone inspiring at the club anymore? Even the cleaners at work give me more of a reason to live
Title: Re: Jack Dyer Medal 2024 / Who will win our B&F?
Post by: Francois Jackson on October 01, 2024, 09:51:15 PM
Didn't find the President very inspiring TBBH

But certainly didn't miss his little dig at those wanting out

Is anyone inspiring at the club anymore? Even the cleaners at work give me more of a reason to live

You didnt like this WP?

Richmond president John O’Rourke has handed some departing premiership stars a backhander in a not-so-subtle speech delivered at the Tigers’ best and fairest count on Tuesday night.

O’Rourke acknowledged it had been an “extremely difficult and disappointing season”, but praised the loyalty of senior Tigers players who were sticking around to help with “guiding our young players through this next phase of growth”.

“Just by way of example … how fortunate are we to have players of the character of a Nathan Broad?” O’Rourke asked during his speech.

“He is a player who was drafted into an era of, well, immediate club success as a mature-age player. I know through this year, I’m sure he could have explored options to see out his career in his home state, or perhaps look for more lucrative options with other clubs, but he chose to extend for a further two years.”

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/news/daniel-rioli-liam-baker-set-to-attend-richmond-bestandfairest-st-kilda-snubs-josh-battle/news-story/6c26c5e5d1ef02bf6c552abdda41481c
Title: Re: Jack Dyer Medal 2024 / Who will win our B&F?
Post by: Diocletian on October 01, 2024, 09:58:24 PM


If the club was smart they'd rig the vote so that the top 4 would be all the blokes who are leaving..... :shh
Title: Re: Jack Dyer Medal 2024 / Who will win our B&F?
Post by: one-eyed on October 01, 2024, 10:01:37 PM
Michael Roach Leading Goalkicker Award:

Shai Bolton (34 goals)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GYzb_TEbQAEO0WZ?format=jpg&name=small)
https://x.com/Richmond_FC/status/1841088240281141556
Title: Re: Jack Dyer Medal 2024 / Who will win our B&F?
Post by: TigerLand on October 01, 2024, 10:03:52 PM
gee Broady speaks like a true leader IMO.

Id captain Nathan.
Title: Re: Jack Dyer Medal 2024 / Who will win our B&F?
Post by: WilliamPowell on October 01, 2024, 10:05:16 PM

Going to be interesting to see how many of Bolton, Baker and Rioli finish top 5 given they are quitting the Club. You'd expect Broady, Floss and Nank to make the top 5 on those numbers. So that leaves just two spots for the rest.

Don't think their upcoming departures would impact on the votes that were given in season.

Surprised Rioli is so low

Title: Re: Jack Dyer Medal 2024 / Who will win our B&F?
Post by: one-eyed on October 01, 2024, 10:06:45 PM
Francis Bourke Award:

Nathan Broad

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GYzbYlAbQAIHqf8?format=jpg&name=small)
https://x.com/Richmond_FC/status/1841087572615053366
Title: Re: Jack Dyer Medal 2024 / Who will win our B&F?
Post by: WilliamPowell on October 01, 2024, 10:08:49 PM
Didn't find the President very inspiring TBBH

But certainly didn't miss his little dig at those wanting out

Is anyone inspiring at the club anymore? Even the cleaners at work give me more of a reason to live

You didnt like this WP?

Richmond president John O’Rourke has handed some departing premiership stars a backhander in a not-so-subtle speech delivered at the Tigers’ best and fairest count on Tuesday night.


Yes I did, did mention it in my post. But take that out and it was for me at least a "meh" speech
Title: Re: Jack Dyer Medal 2024 / Who will win our B&F?
Post by: one-eyed on October 01, 2024, 10:12:28 PM
Broady just said he won't be up on stage again tonight. Would be a surprise for mine if he doesn't finish top 5.

Also said he'll take 18th over 13th/14th on the ladder as you can fool yourself into believing you're not as bad as you are with the latter.

He added we're rock bottom and said it isn't good enough.


Title: Re: Jack Dyer Medal 2024 / Who will win our B&F?
Post by: one-eyed on October 01, 2024, 10:17:11 PM
Kevin Bartlett Medal – 5th

A tie.

Shai Bolton is one of the two.
Title: Re: Jack Dyer Medal 2024 / Who will win our B&F?
Post by: one-eyed on October 01, 2024, 10:18:35 PM
Kevin Bartlett Medal – 5th

A tie.

Shai Bolton is one of the two.
The other is Liam Baker.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GYzdu_oaoAAhCd-?format=jpg&name=small)
https://x.com/Richmond_FC/status/1841090158520660311
Title: Re: Jack Dyer Medal 2024 / Who will win our B&F?
Post by: one-eyed on October 01, 2024, 10:20:28 PM
Baker - "Looking from afar"
Title: Re: Jack Dyer Medal 2024 / Who will win our B&F?
Post by: one-eyed on October 01, 2024, 10:21:01 PM
Fred Swift Medal – 4th

Nathan Broad

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GYzeQ80bQAQ1iwL?format=jpg&name=small)
https://x.com/Richmond_FC/status/1841090742011273245
Title: Re: Jack Dyer Medal 2024 / Who will win our B&F?
Post by: WilliamPowell on October 01, 2024, 10:21:41 PM
So it's down to Rioli, Nank and Floss
Title: Re: Jack Dyer Medal 2024 / Who will win our B&F?
Post by: one-eyed on October 01, 2024, 10:23:08 PM
Maurie Fleming Medal – 3rd

Toby Nankervis

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GYzeuFkbQAcq3Vd?format=jpg&name=small)
https://x.com/Richmond_FC/status/1841091242504888775
Title: Re: Jack Dyer Medal 2024 / Who will win our B&F?
Post by: one-eyed on October 01, 2024, 10:24:19 PM
Now down to Floss or Dan Rioli.
Title: Re: Jack Dyer Medal 2024 / Who will win our B&F?
Post by: one-eyed on October 01, 2024, 10:26:06 PM
Jack Titus Medal – 2nd

Nick Vlastuin

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GYzfiDgbQAEJyWQ?format=jpg&name=small)
https://x.com/Richmond_FC/status/1841092134776291830
Title: Re: Jack Dyer Medal 2024 / Who will win our B&F?
Post by: one-eyed on October 01, 2024, 10:26:26 PM
Which means Dan Rioli has won it.
Title: Re: Jack Dyer Medal 2024 / Who will win our B&F?
Post by: Francois Jackson on October 01, 2024, 10:26:33 PM
pick 6 and 12 you flogs or fo

Title: Re: Jack Dyer Medal 2024 / Who will win our B&F?
Post by: WilliamPowell on October 01, 2024, 10:27:23 PM
These speeches by the blokes who are walking out have been awkward
Title: Re: Jack Dyer Medal 2024 / Dan Rioli wins the JDM
Post by: one-eyed on October 01, 2024, 10:28:35 PM
Jack Dyer Medallist

Dan Rioli

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GYzf9E3bwAAVvPn?format=jpg&name=small)
https://x.com/Richmond_FC/status/1841092597059895394
Title: Re: Jack Dyer Medal 2024 / Dan Rioli wins the DJM
Post by: WilliamPowell on October 01, 2024, 10:34:11 PM
So much love but you want to leave Daniel  ::)
Title: Re: Jack Dyer Medal 2024 / Dan Rioli wins the DJM
Post by: Diocletian on October 01, 2024, 10:36:29 PM
$mart voting ... :shh
Title: Re: Jack Dyer Medal 2024 / Who will win our B&F?
Post by: one-eyed on October 01, 2024, 10:38:19 PM
Final Leaderboard:

(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/BandF/JDM2024Leaderboard.png)
Title: Re: Jack Dyer Medal 2024 / Dan Rioli wins the DJM
Post by: Damo on October 01, 2024, 10:42:01 PM
So much love but you want to leave Daniel  ::)

You are pretty negative about a few of the blokes leaving

If your mate won it , he would have said the same things

Interestingly, did you see who was the first person to give him an encouraging back slap as he went up to deliver that speech .. yep , Jack Graham, who came 22nd on his way out

The other two were already up on stage .. so he felt the need to give his fellow departing player a bit of encouragement
Title: Re: Jack Dyer Medal 2024 / Who will win our B&F?
Post by: torch on October 01, 2024, 10:44:33 PM
pick 6 and 12 you flogs or fo

Add Pick 20 too …

Rioli has come 2nd in 2023 and now 1st …

Pay up GoldCoast or he stays …

All 3 picks thank you …
Title: Re: Jack Dyer Medal 2024 / Dan Rioli wins the DJM
Post by: Diocletian on October 01, 2024, 10:48:55 PM
Dunno why everyone's bitter...the club has pretty much encouraged this exodus because we want to fast track the rebuild before tassie arrives....backhanded speech from the president leads me to believe that perhaps he's not on the same page as the footy department..... :help
Title: Re: Jack Dyer Medal 2024 / Dan Rioli wins the DJM
Post by: WilliamPowell on October 01, 2024, 10:49:08 PM
So much love but you want to leave Daniel  ::)

You are pretty negative about a few of the blokes leaving

If your mate won it , he would have said the same things

Interestingly, did you see who was the first person to give him an encouraging back slap as he went up to deliver that speech .. yep , Jack Graham, who came 22nd on his way out

The other two were already up on stage .. so he felt the need to give his fellow departing player a bit of encouragement

My mate? I'm assuming you're talking about Graham?

As he is likely going too I'm as disappointed/peeved with him as I am with the others. My anger at all if them is the same. I'm negative towards all of them. As he hasn't come out and said he's going I haven't seen the point of commenting until he makes his decision or more to the point announcement which will likely be in the next day or two

And yes i did notice Graham giving Rioli a pat on the shoulder...
Title: Re: Jack Dyer Medal 2024 / Dan Rioli wins the DJM
Post by: Damo on October 01, 2024, 11:04:14 PM
Fair enough WP

I agree with Dio on this

I actually think they are doing a favour leaving and I can’t see the angst

We are about to get a handful of early picks in a strong draft. And another strong haul next year and we are hopefully on the way with the next generation of young kids.
Title: Re: Jack Dyer Medal 2024 / Dan Rioli wins the DJM
Post by: Francois Jackson on October 01, 2024, 11:09:32 PM
Fair enough WP

I agree with Dio on this

I actually think they are doing a favour leaving and I can’t see the angst

We are about to get a handful of early picks in a strong draft. And another strong haul next year and we are hopefully on the way with the next generation of young kids.

i understand the issue, esp with bolton as he gave us sfa this year, however those concerns would disappear if we are given a draft bounty.

lets see.
Title: Re: Jack Dyer Medal 2024 / Dan Rioli wins the DJM
Post by: TigerLand on October 01, 2024, 11:44:16 PM
I think you can be peeed they are leaving but also see the sooner looking in what this presents us. It'spiss weak to want to go home after success, Nathan Broad iwill be remembered as a premiership medal legend.

The other 3 won't, maybe Daniel. But as I said you are allowed to hate the decision and enjoy the outcome.
Title: Re: Jack Dyer Medal 2024 / Dan Rioli wins the DJM
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on October 02, 2024, 05:01:11 AM
Dunno why everyone's bitter...the club has pretty much encouraged this exodus because we want to fast track the rebuild before tassie arrives....backhanded speech from the president leads me to believe that perhaps he's not on the same page as the footy department..... :help

Possibly to appease the emotional masses who fail to see the big picture. He ran Plenary, he gets subterfuge
Title: Re: Jack Dyer Medal 2024 / Dan Rioli wins the DJM
Post by: Andyy on October 02, 2024, 08:56:23 AM
Fair enough WP

I agree with Dio on this

I actually think they are doing a favour leaving and I can’t see the angst

We are about to get a handful of early picks in a strong draft. And another strong haul next year and we are hopefully on the way with the next generation of young kids.

You are correct.

They are 100% doing us a favour.

The club can force both Bolton + Rioli to stay, like SYD did with pap.

But instead they are happy for them to go because they know they have currency and we need to commit to this rebuild badly before Tas.

There should be no hard feelings at all. To think that the club wasn't having conversations with these guys throughout the year is silly and there's every chance the club was always prepared to entertain the trades.
Title: Re: Jack Dyer Medal 2024 / Dan Rioli wins the DJM
Post by: Willy on October 02, 2024, 09:15:25 AM
Pathetic speeches from Baker and Bolton. 

I’m fine with players leaving but show some humility and respect for the club that gave you your chance and you won flags with.


 :thumbsdown
Title: Re: Jack Dyer Medal 2024 / Dan Rioli wins the DJM
Post by: georgies31 on October 02, 2024, 11:52:35 AM
Pathetic speeches from Baker and Bolton. 

I’m fine with players leaving but show some humility and respect for the club that gave you your chance and you won flags with.


 :thumbsdown

💯 that was school boy stuff checked out everything see ya later.
Title: Re: Jack Dyer Medal 2024 / Dan Rioli wins the DJM
Post by: Francois Jackson on October 02, 2024, 12:53:23 PM
Ralph Carr was managing Bolton and Rioli at sone stage? I know some may differ, but i think he has been fantastic for our club that guy.

The end result may be the same, which is fine, but im not sure we would have heard the same pathetic speeches as we heard last night.





Title: Re: Jack Dyer Medal 2024 / Dan Rioli wins the DJM
Post by: Damo on October 02, 2024, 01:12:00 PM
Ralph Carr was managing Bolton and Rioli at sone stage? I know some may differ, but i think he has been fantastic for our club that guy.

The end result may be the same, which is fine, but im not sure we would have heard the same pathetic speeches as we heard last night.

I thought Rioli tried his best .. he clearly wasn’t comfortable , but I think that’s more his nature than the leaving situation
Title: Re: Jack Dyer Medal 2024 / Dan Rioli wins the DJM
Post by: Tiger Khosh on October 02, 2024, 04:09:07 PM
I haven’t watched any of the speeches but Bolton has always been a terrible public speaker, can’t imagine it being any worse regardless of whether he was staying or going.

Baker is surprising though.
Title: Re: Jack Dyer Medal 2024 / Dan Rioli wins the DJM
Post by: eliminator on October 02, 2024, 07:33:26 PM
Congratulations to Dan Rioli. He may become the first player in the club's history to win the best and fairest and leave the club in the same year. Can't see the point in people making speeches when they are leaving the club to go to another club.
Title: Re: Jack Dyer Medal 2024 / Dan Rioli wins the DJM
Post by: Assange Tiger 😎 on October 02, 2024, 07:48:20 PM
Were the speeches of Baker/Bolton after the president basically called them disloyal pieces of poo?

Ah well. Think it's better to remain humble and thank blokes for their service. Certainly don't need to kiss their ass as they go out the door but acknowledge their contribution and move on. No need to for speeches that are clearly against them
Title: Re: Jack Dyer Medal 2024 / Dan Rioli wins the DJM
Post by: Tiger Khosh on October 02, 2024, 08:18:26 PM
Were the speeches of Baker/Bolton after the president basically called them disloyal pieces of poo?

Ah well. Think it's better to remain humble and thank blokes for their service. Certainly don't need to kiss their ass as they go out the door but acknowledge their contribution and move on. No need to for speeches that are clearly against them

Agree. Didn’t love that from the president. As much as it’s obvious Rioli and to a lesser extent Bolton are leaving because they don’t want to play for a crap team, them leaving can hopefully become mutual beneficial. All the want always have served us well and have been apart of 2-3 flags each. Thank them for their services and move on, can commend the guys who have remained loyal without taking swipes at the others.
Title: Re: Jack Dyer Medal 2024 / Dan Rioli wins the DJM
Post by: MintOnLamb on October 02, 2024, 08:45:15 PM
Remember all these premiership players are life members of RFC, fwiw
Title: Re: Jack Dyer Medal 2024 / Dan Rioli wins the DJM
Post by: WilliamPowell on October 02, 2024, 09:42:07 PM
What I didn't like about the President's comments was it put an unfair focus, call it pressure if you like on Broad.

I get what he was trying to do as it was the only interesting part of his speech but it put Nathan in an awkward position
Title: Re: Jack Dyer Medal 2024 / Dan Rioli wins the DJM
Post by: Diocletian on October 02, 2024, 10:10:12 PM
Then Baker turns around and goes well stuff you I'll just walk to the PSD and down the  track they all tell their sons not to nominate Richmond .....well done Prez..... :clapping
Title: Re: Jack Dyer Medal 2024 / Dan Rioli wins the DJM
Post by: camboon on October 02, 2024, 10:11:42 PM
I didn’t mind it , awkward for sure, but for the club to say nothing might be interpreted as we don’t have a problem with players breaking their contracts and it would be setting a precedent ,and  that is why we need overs for the contracted players  otherwise we will be the new raiding ground.
Title: Re: Jack Dyer Medal 2024 / Dan Rioli wins the DJM
Post by: TigerLand on October 02, 2024, 10:21:41 PM
I'm surprised at the reaction to Pres speech. I think if it was not passively aggressively touched on there would be comments of it being a weak address. It's not his strong suit JOR, but had no issue.

Had no issue with the speeches from players, they are still contracted so obliged to say thank you. How they speak is a representation of themselves, good, bad, shy, short, long. Personally only really interested in coaches speech as that is an indication of our playing groups direction and focus for next year.
Title: Re: Jack Dyer Medal 2024 / Dan Rioli wins the DJM
Post by: Diocletian on October 02, 2024, 10:26:46 PM
I didn’t mind it , awkward for sure, but for the club to say nothing might be interpreted as we don’t have a problem with players breaking their contracts and it would be setting a precedent ,and  that is why we need overs for the contracted players  otherwise we will be the new raiding ground.

Except we basically encouraged them to leave....and I highly doubt other clubs will interpret us an easy mark because we were too nice to departing players at our B&F.....but I can tell you any oppo. players we might want to entice to the club in the future will take note if we act like petulant aerseholes to our own let alone premiership stars.... :shh
Title: Re: Jack Dyer Medal 2024 / Dan Rioli wins the DJM
Post by: camboon on October 02, 2024, 10:52:17 PM
I haven't heard we encouraged them to leave, can you point out if there was an article or a quote  suggesting the club wanted contracted players to dishonour their contracts?
I haven’t heard much if any other criticism of them for breaking their contract , so as  a passing comment I didn’t mind it.
If a player won’t come to our club because they are concerned they might be criticised for doing the wrong thing I would look twice before recruiting them ,
Title: Re: Jack Dyer Medal 2024 / Dan Rioli wins the DJM
Post by: Diocletian on October 02, 2024, 10:56:25 PM
I haven't heard we encouraged them to leave, can you point out if there was an article or a quote  suggesting the club wanted contracted players to dishonour their contracts?
I haven’t heard much if any other criticism of them for breaking their contract , so as  a passing comment I didn’t mind it.
If a player won’t come to our club because they are concerned they might be criticised for doing the wrong thing I would look twice before recruiting them ,

Rioli & Bolton are two of our best players and contracted for 3 &4 more years respectively yet are going with our blessing - the club has publicly signaled that they were going to hit the upcoming drafts hard - how else do you think they were planning on being able to do that? By trading the likes of Dow & Sonsie? :shh
Title: Re: Jack Dyer Medal 2024 / Dan Rioli wins the DJM
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on October 02, 2024, 11:11:23 PM
Agree with Dio and might add that a senior figure at the club mentioned to me “hit the draft hard” so I think we can all read between the lines can’t we?

And, it’s the right thing to do so why are we even discussing it?
Title: Re: Jack Dyer Medal 2024 / Dan Rioli wins the DJM
Post by: Diocletian on October 02, 2024, 11:29:28 PM
People who whinged about Taranto & Hopper and quick fixes and would be whinging if we were doing what Geelong are doing trading picks for Smith & Oliver & bringing in Jack Martin or going for Stringer and accusing us of overrating the list (and they'd be right) are whinging about this... :shh
Title: Re: Jack Dyer Medal 2024 / Dan Rioli wins the DJM
Post by: one-eyed on October 03, 2024, 12:01:17 AM
Both [Baker & Bolton] of their short but hardly sweet speeches drew the ire of Tigers fans online, with supporters labelling their actions as "disrespectful and disgraceful".

https://au.sports.yahoo.com/richmond-players-cop-backlash-over-speeches-amid-dustin-martins-big-call-on-afl-future-042306483.html

Yet the examples they use in this article are all social media quotes from opposition supporters :huh3.
Title: Re: Jack Dyer Medal 2024 / Dan Rioli wins the DJM
Post by: WilliamPowell on October 03, 2024, 07:27:15 AM
I didn’t mind it , awkward for sure, but for the club to say nothing might be interpreted as we don’t have a problem with players breaking their contracts and it would be setting a precedent ,and  that is why we need overs for the contracted players  otherwise we will be the new raiding ground.

Setting a precedent would be for the club to say we're not trading you. You have a contract and we're holding you to it.

It will be interesting one if a club, any club does it. Last one I remember doing it was the Swans with Papley

But agree with others the players speeches were poor, especially Baker. Really disappointed in his. He was one of the VC this season he could have, should have thanked the Club and the supporters for supporting him. Not a few mumbled words about supporting from afar. He had plenty of time to prepare for it

As for Shai, he's hopeless at public speaking at the best of times, so his was no surprise but gee his manager should have prepared him for the need to show some gratitude
Title: Re: Jack Dyer Medal 2024 / Dan Rioli wins the DJM
Post by: Knighter on October 03, 2024, 08:09:29 AM
Bombers did it with Daniher and Blues with Gibbs. They both went the next year for less.
Title: Re: Jack Dyer Medal 2024 / Dan Rioli wins the DJM
Post by: camboon on October 03, 2024, 08:44:05 AM
I would hope the club tells the contracted players that we will hold you to your contract unless we get the asking price , a bit like what we paid for Taranto and Hopper , I thought we paid the full price.  The club was shocked and disappointed from  what I hear and wanted to keep them all ,

On the other thing , going hard at the draft doesn’t mean you want  half your best players to dishonour their contracts , we already had  a lot of picks through last years trading  and were going hard at the draft regardless.

I thought their speeches were a reflection of their guilt, as you said the club did a lot for them and too run away when it got harder is a disappointment to most including themselves
Title: Re: Jack Dyer Medal 2024 / Dan Rioli wins the DJM
Post by: eliminator on October 04, 2024, 07:15:56 AM
With regards to the speeches as a generalisation footballers do not have a great reputation for being good public speakers. Making public speeches are not part of their duties and nor should they be. In circumstances where Baker, Bolton and Rioli have stated a clear desire to leave the club it was problematic to expect them to make speeches in the first place.  What good was going to come out of it. Bar them renouncing their desire to leave the club their speeches were not going to win over clearly disappointed fans and a disappointed club.

With regards to the President's speech it is extraordinary to single out a player in a speech. The speech has been interpreted by the media as a thinly disguised attack on the disloyalty of some players. This undermines the credit Broad deserves. In my opinion the club in recent times has been extraordinarily good to its players and the speech is a public manifestation of the internal anger the club holds in relation to certain players' actions.
Title: Re: Jack Dyer Medal 2024 / Dan Rioli wins the DJM
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on October 04, 2024, 08:44:45 AM
Great post eliminator. It’s mainly bulltish generated by the media and click baiters on social media
Title: Re: Jack Dyer Medal 2024 / Dan Rioli wins the DJM
Post by: TigerLand on October 05, 2024, 10:31:33 AM
With regards to the speeches as a generalisation footballers do not have a great reputation for being good public speakers. Making public speeches are not part of their duties and nor should they be. In circumstances where Baker, Bolton and Rioli have stated a clear desire to leave the club it was problematic to expect them to make speeches in the first place.  What good was going to come out of it. Bar them renouncing their desire to leave the club their speeches were not going to win over clearly disappointed fans and a disappointed club.

With regards to the President's speech it is extraordinary to single out a player in a speech. The speech has been interpreted by the media as a thinly disguised attack on the disloyalty of some players. This undermines the credit Broad deserves. In my opinion the club in recent times has been extraordinarily good to its players and the speech is a public manifestation of the internal anger the club holds in relation to certain players' actions.

Disagree with speeches not to be expected. They are current players and contracted. What if we don't get a fair trade and we refuse to trade them? What if Baker goes PSD and we pick em up. I think the players need to represent themselves professionally and doing an acceptance speech is part of that, it's not difficult to get your management to give you advice, wrote a speech and practice it. They aren't teenagers and have received media training. I'm also not someone who holds them to judgement for not being an Alex Rance on the mic. A simple show of gratitude and thanks id all that's needed. I think the speeches are a huge beat up. They came 4th and 5th in B+F, call me old school but unsure why that's even recognized. B+F and runner up at best for mine.

Second paragraph agree, need to do far better at giving ammunition to media, we will be firing line for a while. Easy pickings, click bait frustrated fan base down bottom of ladder, no media teachers pets like Danger, Dusty history we won't be anyone's best friends. Need to be careful and protect the players. Particularly the draftees of this year.
Title: Re: Jack Dyer Medal 2024 / Dan Rioli wins the DJM
Post by: Damo on October 05, 2024, 10:41:14 AM
They came 4th and 5th in B+F, call me old school but unsure why that's even recognized. B+F and runner up at best for mine.

Agree
It reminds me of two things

1- A miss Universe Pageant where someone in 6th gets awarded the 5th runner up
2- The Wall of Gaylord

https://youtu.be/UqYH9mDPTiA?si=3vEDjq2UePeYuYgx

Maybe stretch it to top three Olympics style. But 4th and 5th is a bit of a joke
Title: Re: Jack Dyer Medal 2024 / Who will win our B&F?
Post by: one-eyed on October 05, 2024, 01:24:20 PM
Ben miller is there ?
I think Yze meant they had been sick/in hospital after the Thailand trip but they are better now.

Multiple Richmond players hospitalised with illness after end-of-season footy trip

An ill-fated trip to Thailand has seen a number of Tigers players require serious medical attention.

Harrison Reid
7news


Richmond coach Adem Yze has revealed a number of his players spent time in hospital after getting sick during their footy trip to Thailand.

A group of Tigers players went to Thailand for their end-of-season celebrations in recent weeks, but an illness that spread appears to have soured them somewhat.

Yze himself wasn’t feeling 100 per cent at the club’s best and fairest presentation on Tuesday night, but said he wasn’t as bad as some of the players who went overseas.

“Before I get started, I just wanted to highlight the fact that I’m not trying to put on a sexy voice — I’m a little bit crook at the moment,” Yze said as he opened his speech.

“But not as crook as I hear a few of our players got in Thailand — I’m looking at you, Ben Miller.

“A few of the boys have been in hospital and things like that.

“So, it’s been not only a tough season, but a tough off-season so far.

“But to their credit, they came back a little bit lighter. Nick Vlastuin was adamant he came back four or five kilos lighter, which is unusual when you come back from a footy trip, so well done.”

https://7news.com.au/sport/afl/multiple-richmond-players-hospitalised-with-illness-after-end-of-season-footy-trip-c-16252676