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Title: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: one-eyed on March 07, 2008, 09:49:45 PM
We need to fine-tune: Wallace
 Ben Casanelia
 7:35 PM Fri 07 March, 2008

RICHMOND coach Terry Wallace is wishing luck to any side travelling to Skilled Stadium to tackle reigning premier Geelong this season.

After watching his side get humbled by the Cats to the tune of 72 points, Wallace was at least thankful his side did not have to travel down the highway again this year.

“I can assure the other sides in the competition that they are up and running and ready to go, and I’m very thankful we don’t have to come back here for the year,” he said.

“Good luck to others who want to come down here and challenge them.”

Wallace said the side was simply blown out of the water in the second term when the Cats kicked eight goals to two despite kicking into a slight breeze.

A 90-point three-quarter time margin was reduced to 72 at games end after the Tigers outscored the Cats six goals to two in the final term.

Wallace rated the lop-sided scoreboard as irrelevant and said his side needed to fine-tune as it did in the wake of its NAB Cup loss to St Kilda.

“The result on the scoreboard didn’t really matter,” he said.

“What we need to do is fine-tune. We fine-tuned after the St Kilda game and won our next two. We were the bottom side in the competition last year and we’ve gone through a pre-season period and won two and lost two.”

The Tiger coach surprisingly said winning was not always a good thing at this time of the year.

“Winning sometimes masks things you really need to be working on,” he said.

“We’ve played Sydney, St Kilda and Geelong who we think are three of the better sides in the competition. Personally, I would rather go into a season proper having played the best and ironing out a few things rather than running around and getting false impressions of where you are at playing against inferior sides.

“I’m comfortable with that side of it, we just need to be at our best come Round 1. You guys will call as you want but you don’t get four points until two weeks time.”

Wallace said Brett Deledio, who had 18 possessions and kicked two goals, would play both midfield and forward this season. The former No. 1 draft pick spent a majority of the first half playing inside the 50 metre arc.

“Four years in the system is when you should be starting to have some impact and I think that’s the case,” Wallace said of Deledio.

“We expect those blokes to step up and we’ve got quite a few that are around that age. They’re not young boys any more, they’re young men and they’ve got to start mixing it in this competition.”

He highlighted the lack of talls down back as a critical factor in the loss, with Luke McGuane and Graham Polak out of the side. Both are expected to be right for round one. Jay Schulz is rated a 50-50 chance to make it to the season opener after injuring his ribs in last week’s practise match against the Swans.

Mark Coughlan, in his first senior appearance since mid-2006, came through the game well but had limited impact playing in the middle.

Source: for richmondfc.com.au
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: Tigermonk on March 07, 2008, 10:09:00 PM
We need to fine-tune: Wallace
 Ben Casanelia
 7:35 PM Fri 07 March, 2008

“We’ve played Sydney, St Kilda and Geelong who we think are three of the better sides in the competition. Personally, I would rather go into a season proper having played the best and ironing out a few things rather than running around and getting false impressions of where you are at playing against inferior sides.


what is this guy on
WE are the inferior side of the whole competition
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: mightytiges on March 07, 2008, 10:37:40 PM
We need to fine-tune: Wallace
 Ben Casanelia
 7:35 PM Fri 07 March, 2008

“We’ve played Sydney, St Kilda and Geelong who we think are three of the better sides in the competition. Personally, I would rather go into a season proper having played the best and ironing out a few things rather than running around and getting false impressions of where you are at playing against inferior sides.


what is this guy on
WE are the inferior side of the whole competition

Maybe Terry means the Yackandandah 2nds or worse Melbourne lol.
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: Little Jackie on March 07, 2008, 10:42:41 PM
Terry Wallace is a joke.
Mentioning the possible return of Jay Schulz as a positive  :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead. Its going to be a very long year
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: Hellenic Tiger on March 08, 2008, 12:31:13 AM
No sh1te Terry. We need to fine tune. Tell us something we do not know.
That's all we need after a 12 goal mauling in which the Cats would have eased up to avoid injury in the last term, having Terry put positive spin on it. Much like Danny and his cherry ripes. We have a long long way to go. Other praccie games may have been misleading but playing the benchmark of the comp 13 days before round 1 and losing by 12 goals is not exactly a confidence boost.
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: yellowandback on March 08, 2008, 08:33:46 AM
We need to fine-tune: Wallace
 Ben Casanelia
 7:35 PM Fri 07 March, 2008

“We’ve played Sydney, St Kilda and Geelong who we think are three of the better sides in the competition. Personally, I would rather go into a season proper having played the best and ironing out a few things rather than running around and getting false impressions of where you are at playing against inferior sides.


what is this guy on
WE are the inferior side of the whole competition



That is unfair, Demons are an absolute joke. Blues are not much better neither are the Bulldogs. Terry Wallace has one problem. 
His players continue to let him down. 

 You cannot honestly expect him to present any differently at a press conference?

If he came out swinging at the players, the coaching staff, the recruiting or the club (like Malcolm Blight did at the Saints) IMAGINE the out cry.
That press conference only does one person a disservice and that is the coach. My opinion, he is taking a bullet for the players and the club because he knows that his press conference will provoke posts like yours and cynicism in the press. 
He needs to be calm, put a spin that shows no sign of panic and probably say things that appear to deflect how seriously wrong things really are.  It would be very easy for him to target players right now.

If by the end of the year - the whole lets wait a month before we lynch him is ridiculous - we are 4 wins or less then he will orchestrate his own "succession plan" which may involve him leaving the club or moving into a different role.
In general , our whole approach over the past few years has been pretty much right. Stable board, administration and coaching staff.  Making money, ramping up footy development - all good.
 
No matter what happens this year, I think we could review 2 areas:-

1. REcruiting - our 1st round picks on surface appear worse than our 3 or 4th rounds picks or even rookies.  It is like we have one person doing the 1st round and someone else picking the others
2. GReg Miller to trading is like Ben Cousins to Ice - he has a problem that requires an intervention.

He might be a problem and the people who matter might be a bit close to it to see.
For now, I just think we should back off a little bit, the Cats are at least 4-5 goals better than anyone else in the comp, we are going to have bad losses again this year but as long as we get 8-11 wins we will see development and feel hope.

That's the theme for 08, right?
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: Ramps on March 08, 2008, 08:41:02 AM
I would have thought the theme is clearing out a couple of lockers for Daniel Rich and Nick Natanui
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: wayne on March 08, 2008, 08:56:23 AM
I would have thought the theme is clearing out a couple of lockers for Daniel Rich and Nick Natanui

There will be more than a couple of lockers spare if we have another 2007.

T. Wallaces locker will be empty by round 8.

We are a very young side, giving talented ( :pray) kids the opportunity to play at the highest level....

Why are we always so spiritless, we have a truckload of players under 23, they should out there going hammer and tong. Why are they already seemingly disgruntled and playing half-assed. When any other team introduces a couple of youngsters they chase down and tackle all the opponents they can, are enthusiastic and inject extra energy into the team.

What is going on down at Punt Road, is it having a non-inspirational captain, is it the coach just completely destroying confidence in kids after being on a list for only a year, why do the players seem like they hate football?

Bugger seeing out Wallace's 5 years, if we're 0-6, pee him off.
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: Tigermonk on March 08, 2008, 10:10:36 AM
We need to fine-tune: Wallace
 Ben Casanelia
 7:35 PM Fri 07 March, 2008

“We’ve played Sydney, St Kilda and Geelong who we think are three of the better sides in the competition. Personally, I would rather go into a season proper having played the best and ironing out a few things rather than running around and getting false impressions of where you are at playing against inferior sides.


what is this guy on
WE are the inferior side of the whole competition



That is unfair, Demons are an absolute joke. Blues are not much better neither are the Bulldogs. Terry Wallace has one problem. 
His players continue to let him down. 

 You cannot honestly expect him to present any differently at a press conference?

If he came out swinging at the players, the coaching staff, the recruiting or the club (like Malcolm Blight did at the Saints) IMAGINE the out cry.
That press conference only does one person a disservice and that is the coach. My opinion, he is taking a bullet for the players and the club because he knows that his press conference will provoke posts like yours and cynicism in the press. 
He needs to be calm, put a spin that shows no sign of panic and probably say things that appear to deflect how seriously wrong things really are.  It would be very easy for him to target players right now.

If by the end of the year - the whole lets wait a month before we lynch him is ridiculous - we are 4 wins or less then he will orchestrate his own "succession plan" which may involve him leaving the club or moving into a different role.
In general , our whole approach over the past few years has been pretty much right. Stable board, administration and coaching staff.  Making money, ramping up footy development - all good.
 
No matter what happens this year, I think we could review 2 areas:-

1. REcruiting - our 1st round picks on surface appear worse than our 3 or 4th rounds picks or even rookies.  It is like we have one person doing the 1st round and someone else picking the others
2. GReg Miller to trading is like Ben Cousins to Ice - he has a problem that requires an intervention.

He might be a problem and the people who matter might be a bit close to it to see.
For now, I just think we should back off a little bit, the Cats are at least 4-5 goals better than anyone else in the comp, we are going to have bad losses again this year but as long as we get 8-11 wins we will see development and feel hope.

That's the theme for 08, right?

you think my post is unfair  :rollin :rollin
your not watching your football enough & inlove with TW press spins & tigertales  :lol :lol :lol

LISTEN TO ME

The Tigers are making the same mistakes & turnovers, sloppy football, game plan destructions, players in wrong positions, Richo in forward line the same old problems that Frawley had
have you seen any improvement over the Wallet era  HELLO your not watching lucky its not on TV the media would have a bloody field day l'm sure thats why they tank out of the NAB cup early so not to been seen

cant use them clauses anymore of ?? we turning over the players who are making the bad mistakes cause the list is nearly completely turned over & guess what there still playing the same brand of football so we back at gate 1 again

l bet when Mitch Morton took that screamer the tiger players got all excited & fell over each other thinking change is here. then they got smacked in the second quarter made them look stupid & the coach even more stupid.  l bet he was wishing the cats had dug a previous hole in the ground he could climb into. Any good coach can close a game down in a quarter by having a plan except Suntanned Terry

Now thats a bit harsh aint it telling it how it really is but anyway keep on dreaming cause the season is about to explode & we got a pretty easy draw first few games
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: yellowandback on March 08, 2008, 10:52:58 AM
Tiger Monk - take some of your own advice and LISTEN - if you can listen by reading but anyway.....


Point 1 - Based on our pre-season, at worst there is no way we are the inferior side in the comp, we're not that flash but not the worst.

Point 2 - Newsflash - WE WON THE WOODEN SPOON. What are you expecting the following year? I'd be interested in your answer. Young sides go up and down, as I stated in the post (if you cared to read it properly) we will suffer heavy defeats like all young sides. If your expectations are that we are going to finish in the Top 4 and be within a few goals each week, you are kidding yourself.

Point 3 - If you expect Terry Wallace to come out and bag the players, himself and the club in a press conference you are an idiot. Sorry but its the truth. Taking TW's press conference is like taking a politician literally - and all coaches do it.  None of them really say what they mean - they understand both positive and negatives.

Point 4 - I am not in love with the coach, I do however love the club and can at our position objectively.  The jury is out on the coach, the players, the match committee, the recruitment and even the board. Sacking the coach after 6 rounds means nothing. Its stupid and belongs in the 90s.

Point 5 - The one thing that concerns me is the recruiting - particularly the 1st rounders and the trading thing.

I am very tempted to pay out on the club (like you) but I'm not going to. I haven't  bled black and yellow for 35 years to wait for us to fail and stick the knives in.  I do it because I want to see us kick FXXXXX A and win games of football.

So if you think I don't know what I talking about, good on ya mate that's your view.  Like bungholes, we all have one.
But my view is that I'm not too sure what will happen this year but I'll be okay with 8-11 wins.

I'm sure your just as loyal and passionate as me and I agree with some of what you are saying - I just think you are being too harsh this early in the year.


Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: Little Jackie on March 08, 2008, 10:56:15 AM
We are the worst.
Nothing has changed from last year. Pre-Season has been a joke, with NO evidence of change of game plan, if such thing does exist at Punt Road, lol
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: Little Jackie on March 08, 2008, 10:58:30 AM
We need to fine-tune: Wallace
 Ben Casanelia
 7:35 PM Fri 07 March, 2008

“We’ve played Sydney, St Kilda and Geelong who we think are three of the better sides in the competition. Personally, I would rather go into a season proper having played the best and ironing out a few things rather than running around and getting false impressions of where you are at playing against inferior sides.


what is this guy on
WE are the inferior side of the whole competition



That is unfair, Demons are an absolute joke. Blues are not much better neither are the Bulldogs. Terry Wallace has one problem. 
His players continue to let him down. 

 You cannot honestly expect him to present any differently at a press conference?

If he came out swinging at the players, the coaching staff, the recruiting or the club (like Malcolm Blight did at the Saints) IMAGINE the out cry.
That press conference only does one person a disservice and that is the coach. My opinion, he is taking a bullet for the players and the club because he knows that his press conference will provoke posts like yours and cynicism in the press. 
He needs to be calm, put a spin that shows no sign of panic and probably say things that appear to deflect how seriously wrong things really are.  It would be very easy for him to target players right now.

If by the end of the year - the whole lets wait a month before we lynch him is ridiculous - we are 4 wins or less then he will orchestrate his own "succession plan" which may involve him leaving the club or moving into a different role.
In general , our whole approach over the past few years has been pretty much right. Stable board, administration and coaching staff.  Making money, ramping up footy development - all good.
 
No matter what happens this year, I think we could review 2 areas:-

1. REcruiting - our 1st round picks on surface appear worse than our 3 or 4th rounds picks or even rookies.  It is like we have one person doing the 1st round and someone else picking the others
2. GReg Miller to trading is like Ben Cousins to Ice - he has a problem that requires an intervention.

He might be a problem and the people who matter might be a bit close to it to see.
For now, I just think we should back off a little bit, the Cats are at least 4-5 goals better than anyone else in the comp, we are going to have bad losses again this year but as long as we get 8-11 wins we will see development and feel hope.

That's the theme for 08, right?

you think my post is unfair  :rollin :rollin
your not watching your football enough & inlove with TW press spins & tigertales  :lol :lol :lol

LISTEN TO ME

The Tigers are making the same mistakes & turnovers, sloppy football, game plan destructions, players in wrong positions, Richo in forward line the same old problems that Frawley had
have you seen any improvement over the Wallet era  HELLO your not watching lucky its not on TV the media would have a bloody field day l'm sure thats why they tank out of the NAB cup early so not to been seen

cant use them clauses anymore of ?? we turning over the players who are making the bad mistakes cause the list is nearly completely turned over & guess what there still playing the same brand of football so we back at gate 1 again

l bet when Mitch Morton took that screamer the tiger players got all excited & fell over each other thinking change is here. then they got smacked in the second quarter made them look stupid & the coach even more stupid.  l bet he was wishing the cats had dug a previous hole in the ground he could climb into. Any good coach can close a game down in a quarter by having a plan except Suntanned Terry

Now thats a bit harsh aint it telling it how it really is but anyway keep on dreaming cause the season is about to explode & we got a pretty easy draw first few games


Totally 100% AGREE!
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: Francois Jackson on March 08, 2008, 11:15:50 AM
our captain and coach would have to be the 2 worst in the league.
wallace has changed nothing in his team since he arrived. If he was so hell bent on change and youth, what the hell is tivers, hyde and that pathetic johnson still doing on our list.
allright johnson is not that old but he is useless.
We cannot be taken serious if the younger guys are looking up to a guy who barely speaks out on the field. He is a outright disgrace and i would rather see out pick 80 in the 2001 draft get a game than this guy.

we will go nowhere with this list, the seniors players lack skill and spark and players like raines. well give me a break. the guy is so far up himself its not funny.
see what happens when you get signed up. another schulz in the making that guy

Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: Tigermonk on March 08, 2008, 11:16:19 AM
So if you think I don't know what I talking about, good on ya mate that's your view.  Like bungholes, we all have one.
But my view is that I'm not too sure what will happen this year but I'll be okay with 8-11 wins.

I'm sure your just as loyal and passionate as me and I agree with some of what you are saying - I just think you are being too harsh this early in the year.


if you think Richmond is gunna win 8-11 games this year your dreaming under the current system
we be fighting out out for the wooden spoon with Melbourne & they as a club dont like wooden spoons & will fight & beat us
we will be lucky to win games at full strength cause there is no strategic plans to stop teams doing what they want to us even the lower clubs kick 16 against us we struggle to kick 100 pts a game & when we do kick 100 points we get all excited
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: Francois Jackson on March 08, 2008, 11:24:50 AM
forgetting about our youth for a second. our senior core would hardly get a game at any of the top clubs and thats a fact.

at the end of the day most of these guys play for the pay packet not the jumper.
u wonder why otto and rodan left punt road. i tell u what there will be some more that will follow that lead, make no mistake about that.
we have no heart and thats why we will lost good quality players to clubs who have a ticker

ill get blasted for this but clubs like the hawks and pies play with heart. never give up attitude.
terry had this at the buldogs so why the hell dont we have it at punt road.
whats the blood. reason tell me??

Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: tigersalive on March 08, 2008, 11:43:05 AM
forgetting about our youth for a second. our senior core would hardly get a game at any of the top clubs and thats a fact.

at the end of the day most of these guys play for the pay packet not the jumper.
u wonder why otto and rodan left punt road. i tell u what there will be some more that will follow that lead, make no mistake about that.
we have no heart and thats why we will lost good quality players to clubs who have a ticker

ill get blasted for this but clubs like the hawks and pies play with heart. never give up attitude.
terry had this at the buldogs so why the hell dont we have it at punt road.
whats the blood. reason tell me??

Rodan was delisted, he didnt want to leave.

But I'll give you rest.  I think our kids will be just fine.

I just wish they could grow up quicker to get rid of our "senior" player who are just rotten.
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: mightytiges on March 08, 2008, 03:46:54 PM
our captain and coach would have to be the 2 worst in the league.
wallace has changed nothing in his team since he arrived. If he was so hell bent on change and youth, what the hell is tivers, hyde and that pathetic johnson still doing on our list.
allright johnson is not that old but he is useless.
We cannot be taken serious if the younger guys are looking up to a guy who barely speaks out on the field. He is a outright disgrace and i would rather see out pick 80 in the 2001 draft get a game than this guy.

we will go nowhere with this list, the seniors players lack skill and spark and players like raines. well give me a break. the guy is so far up himself its not funny.
see what happens when you get signed up. another schulz in the making that guy



The on-field results haven't changed so far but the list has. It's just very young where the talent is with 22 of our post-2004 recruits aged 21 and under. Not all of these will make it either. Compare that to what Spud left us - just 9 U23's.

Sugar is oldish  (29 y.o.) and his body is stuffed. I can't see him going beyond this year. Really he's just there to get crunched instead of a cub whose body isn't ready as yet for the weekly rigours of AFL footy. No point throwing a kid to the wolves in the guts and his body is stuffed by the time we need him (i.e. Luke Ball). Johnson does talk out on the field and encourage if people are willing to look but we as a side are simply not good enough.

As for the 2001 draft. How we wish we had players from that super draft. Guess what we don't have any! It is this 23-27 y.o. group that should be our core now and making up around half our list but we have only 7 Tigers remaining from 2002 - Richo, Bowden, Tivs, Cogs, Newman, Pettifer and Hyde. We are still paying for the disasterous quick-fixes of the past.

As for Wallace he'll probably be the fallguy come 2009 and we will be where Hawthorn was when Clarson arrived with a new coach with a free licence and a list that has a large young group coming through that is 2 years off hitting their prime.

---------------------------
bold - 15 pre-Wallace Tigers
Games played in brackets
Age at Jan 1, 2008.

32: Richo (256)
29: Bowden (235), Brown (188), Johnson (202), Simmonds (157)
28: Tivendale (185)
---------------------
27: -
26: Tuck (69)
25: Coughlan (83), Hyde (82), Newman (111), Pettifer (103)
24: McMahon (114)
23: Moore (24), Polak (95), King (19)
22: Foley (49), Schulz (49), Howat# (20), Cartledge# (7), Silvester# (-)
---------------------
21: Raines (51), Jackson (36), Meyer (17), Pattison (35), Polo (25), Tambling (53), Thursfield (22)
20: Casserly (-), Deledio (62), Hughes (10), McGuane (16), Morton (12), White (18), Graham (2)
19: Collins (-), Connors (4), Edwards (16), JON (7), Riewoldt (8), Collard# (1)
18: Cotchin (-), Rance (-), Putt (-), Gourdis (-)
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: one-eyed on March 08, 2008, 04:10:49 PM
We need to fine-tune: Wallace
 Ben Casanelia
 7:35 PM Fri 07 March, 2008

“We’ve played Sydney, St Kilda and Geelong who we think are three of the better sides in the competition. Personally, I would rather go into a season proper having played the best and ironing out a few things rather than running around and getting false impressions of where you are at playing against inferior sides.


what is this guy on
WE are the inferior side of the whole competition

That is unfair, Demons are an absolute joke.
Dees are getting pumped by the Roos in their practice match.
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: mightytiges on March 08, 2008, 05:37:04 PM
No matter what happens this year, I think we could review 2 areas:-

1. REcruiting - our 1st round picks on surface appear worse than our 3 or 4th rounds picks or even rookies.  It is like we have one person doing the 1st round and someone else picking the others
2. GReg Miller to trading is like Ben Cousins to Ice - he has a problem that requires an intervention.
LOL @ point 2.

We've only really started to increase resources in recruiting last year. Bringing Craig Cameron over from Melbourne to join Francis Jackson. I presume more into scouting too. Miller hopefully will take a back seat. As for the trade table we should not be trading away top 20 picks. The draft is about trying to accumulate more early picks to give you the best chance to score the best talent each year; not trading them away  :scream.

For now, I just think we should back off a little bit, the Cats are at least 4-5 goals better than anyone else in the comp, we are going to have bad losses again this year but as long as we get 8-11 wins we will see development and feel hope.

That's the theme for 08, right?
Closer to 8 wins than 11 IMO and like most young sides up and down like a yo-yo.
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: Little Jackie on March 08, 2008, 05:57:27 PM
No matter what happens this year, I think we could review 2 areas:-

1. REcruiting - our 1st round picks on surface appear worse than our 3 or 4th rounds picks or even rookies.  It is like we have one person doing the 1st round and someone else picking the others
2. GReg Miller to trading is like Ben Cousins to Ice - he has a problem that requires an intervention.
LOL @ point 2.

We've only really started to increase resources in recruiting last year. Bringing Craig Cameron over from Melbourne to join Francis Jackson. I presume more into scouting too. Miller hopefully will take a back seat. As for the trade table we should not be trading away top 20 picks. The draft is about trying to accumulate more early picks to give you the best chance to score the best talent each year; not trading them away  :scream.

For now, I just think we should back off a little bit, the Cats are at least 4-5 goals better than anyone else in the comp, we are going to have bad losses again this year but as long as we get 8-11 wins we will see development and feel hope.

That's the theme for 08, right?
Closer to 8 wins than 11 IMO and like most young sides up and down like a yo-yo.


What pick with Jordon McMahon traded for ?
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: mightytiges on March 08, 2008, 06:26:37 PM
No matter what happens this year, I think we could review 2 areas:-

1. REcruiting - our 1st round picks on surface appear worse than our 3 or 4th rounds picks or even rookies.  It is like we have one person doing the 1st round and someone else picking the others
2. GReg Miller to trading is like Ben Cousins to Ice - he has a problem that requires an intervention.
LOL @ point 2.

We've only really started to increase resources in recruiting last year. Bringing Craig Cameron over from Melbourne to join Francis Jackson. I presume more into scouting too. Miller hopefully will take a back seat. As for the trade table we should not be trading away top 20 picks. The draft is about trying to accumulate more early picks to give you the best chance to score the best talent each year; not trading them away  :scream.

For now, I just think we should back off a little bit, the Cats are at least 4-5 goals better than anyone else in the comp, we are going to have bad losses again this year but as long as we get 8-11 wins we will see development and feel hope.

That's the theme for 08, right?
Closer to 8 wins than 11 IMO and like most young sides up and down like a yo-yo.


What pick with Jordon McMahon traded for ?
Pick 19 (Scott Selwood) as if you didn't know  :wallywink
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: Little Jackie on March 08, 2008, 06:54:48 PM
So therefore. you dont agree with there recruiting policy?
Can tell you seen heaps of Jordon McMahon over a number of years, is a very ordinary player, I can tell you that! He has some terrible habits, thus the doggies were glad to see his back!
We trade a valuable pick for a player thats just an average/ordinary player, now thats good recruiting and thats why the RFC is going no where my friend!
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: mightytiges on March 08, 2008, 08:40:59 PM
So therefore. you dont agree with there recruiting policy?
It's not as black and white as that.

Overall we are drafting for youth so I agree with that. Recruited 22 cubs from 4 drafts. There's three choices I didn't agree with - JON (wanted Mitch Clark), Kingsley (too old even though he was cheap) and McMahon (we shouldn't have traded pick 19 anyway. Missing out on Scott Selwood makes the decision even worse).
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: Lozza on March 08, 2008, 10:14:06 PM
We need to fine-tune: Wallace
 Ben Casanelia
 7:35 PM Fri 07 March, 2008


The Tiger coach surprisingly said winning was not always a good thing at this time of the year.

“Winning sometimes masks things you really need to be working on,” he said.


Source: for richmondfc.com.au
It would be nice once in a while to actually win a game that we are expected to lose!!! Whether we win or lose nothing masks the fact that we need to learn how to recruit some players who have skill to go with athletic ability. RFC seems to have big problems picking players with both attributes
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: bluey_21 on March 08, 2008, 10:17:50 PM
We need to fine-tune: Wallace
 Ben Casanelia
 7:35 PM Fri 07 March, 2008


The Tiger coach surprisingly said winning was not always a good thing at this time of the year.

“Winning sometimes masks things you really need to be working on,” he said.


Source: for richmondfc.com.au
It would be nice once in a while to actually win a game that we are expected to lose!!! Whether we win or lose nothing masks the fact that we need to learn how to recruit some players who have skill to go with athletic ability. RFC seems to have big problems picking players with both attributes

good post :thumbsup
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: Tigermonk on March 08, 2008, 11:48:24 PM
MT you always fall back on the fact we are & dont chuck them to the wolves
when infact all other clubs play there youngsters & they handle the AFL just look at some youngsters who thrived in the NAB series
notice none of them were Tiger players  :lol :lol
a youngster tagged Goodwin in tonights GF
stop with your youth policy turnover rubbish cause its not the case at Richmond
we been rebuilding for years & years just we got the wrong people rebuilding us
Richmond is struggling from bad coaches & bad choices plain simple fact
l think that you turning up to training all the time makes you beleive these tigertales that your always trying to protect them with your age & draft turnover & the not ready for senior football posts
l can tell you from my work within the afl that these youngsters are better trained than you think & ready to take it on & most played senior footy at a young age & against tougher men thats why they get picked to train & play for the U18 comp to be drafted & some spending 2 years within the ranks
l'm tired of poor excuses from supporters & the spin from Tigerland its too much
l'm not sitting here for another year going over & over the same spin l had enough Richmond are just plain pooh l rather spend my time watching good games
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: Little Jackie on March 09, 2008, 09:15:36 AM
MT you always fall back on the fact we are & dont chuck them to the wolves
when infact all other clubs play there youngsters & they handle the AFL just look at some youngsters who thrived in the NAB series
notice none of them were Tiger players  :lol :lol
a youngster tagged Goodwin in tonights GF
stop with your youth policy turnover rubbish cause its not the case at Richmond
we been rebuilding for years & years just we got the wrong people rebuilding us
Richmond is struggling from bad coaches & bad choices plain simple fact
l think that you turning up to training all the time makes you beleive these tigertales that your always trying to protect them with your age & draft turnover & the not ready for senior football posts
l can tell you from my work within the afl that these youngsters are better trained than you think & ready to take it on & most played senior footy at a young age & against tougher men thats why they get picked to train & play for the U18 comp to be drafted & some spending 2 years within the ranks
l'm tired of poor excuses from supporters & the spin from Tigerland its too much
l'm not sitting here for another year going over & over the same spin l had enough Richmond are just plain pooh l rather spend my time watching good games

Fantastic post and I totally agree.
Watch some great kids in the pre season games this year perform well, havent seen any at our club.
The age theory is complete rubbish and just another lame excuse.
Tell you something MT, come and watch a few games with me this year and I will point a few things out to you.
Richmonds problem is that we are extremely poorly coached and have and still are recruiting poorly, we dont develop players when they are at the club which further esculates the problems we have.
And might also say that some of the kids we have arent much good either. These kids have been picked up in the past 2-3 years under the Wallace reign
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: Tigermonk on March 09, 2008, 09:51:36 AM

Fantastic post and I totally agree.
Watch some great kids in the pre season games this year perform well, havent seen any at our club.
The age theory is complete rubbish and just another lame excuse.
Tell you something MT, come and watch a few games with me this year and I will point a few things out to you.
Richmonds problem is that we are extremely poorly coached and have and still are recruiting poorly, we dont develop players when they are at the club which further esculates the problems we have.
The might also say that some of the kids we have arent much good either. These kids have been picked up in the past 2-3 years under the Wallace reign

 :clapping :clapping :clapping :thumbsup
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: Francois Jackson on March 09, 2008, 12:27:21 PM





Sugar is oldish  (29 y.o.) and his body is stuffed. I can't see him going beyond this year. Really he's just there to get crunched instead of a cub whose body isn't ready as yet for the weekly rigours of AFL footy.

what i see is a guy who is bringing all the younger guys down with him.
i watch him every week and what i see is someone who should not be on a afl list. he is the equivalent of lance whitnall minus 15 kilo's.
at least lance kicked a few goals, what the hell does sugar actually do. he is slow, kicks it to the opposition, never will inspire and lead the team to victory.

absolutely useless

Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: Judge Roughneck on March 09, 2008, 12:47:15 PM
our captain and coach would have to be the 2 worst in the league.
wallace has changed nothing in his team since he arrived. If he was so hell bent on change and youth, what the hell is tivers, hyde and that pathetic johnson still doing on our list.
allright johnson is not that old but he is useless.
We cannot be taken serious if the younger guys are looking up to a guy who barely speaks out on the field. He is a outright disgrace and i would rather see out pick 80 in the 2001 draft get a game than this guy.

we will go nowhere with this list, the seniors players lack skill and spark and players like raines. well give me a break. the guy is so far up himself its not funny.
see what happens when you get signed up. another schulz in the making that guy



The on-field results haven't changed so far but the list has. It's just very young where the talent is with 22 of our post-2004 recruits aged 21 and under. Not all of these will make it either. Compare that to what Spud left us - just 9 U23's.

Sugar is oldish  (29 y.o.) and his body is stuffed. I can't see him going beyond this year. Really he's just there to get crunched instead of a cub whose body isn't ready as yet for the weekly rigours of AFL footy. No point throwing a kid to the wolves in the guts and his body is stuffed by the time we need him (i.e. Luke Ball). Johnson does talk out on the field and encourage if people are willing to look but we as a side are simply not good enough.

As for the 2001 draft. How we wish we had players from that super draft. Guess what we don't have any! It is this 23-27 y.o. group that should be our core now and making up around half our list but we have only 7 Tigers remaining from 2002 - Richo, Bowden, Tivs, Cogs, Newman, Pettifer and Hyde. We are still paying for the disasterous quick-fixes of the past.

As for Wallace he'll probably be the fallguy come 2009 and we will be where Hawthorn was when Clarson arrived with a new coach with a free licence and a list that has a large young group coming through that is 2 years off hitting their prime.

---------------------------
bold - 15 pre-Wallace Tigers
Games played in brackets
Age at Jan 1, 2008.

32: Richo (256)
29: Bowden (235), Brown (188), Johnson (202), Simmonds (157)
28: Tivendale (185)
---------------------
27: -
26: Tuck (69)
25: Coughlan (83), Hyde (82), Newman (111), Pettifer (103)
24: McMahon (114)
23: Moore (24), Polak (95), King (19)
22: Foley (49), Schulz (49), Howat# (20), Cartledge# (7), Silvester# (-)
---------------------
21: Raines (51), Jackson (36), Meyer (17), Pattison (35), Polo (25), Tambling (53), Thursfield (22)
20: Casserly (-), Deledio (62), Hughes (10), McGuane (16), Morton (12), White (18), Graham (2)
19: Collins (-), Connors (4), Edwards (16), JON (7), Riewoldt (8), Collard# (1)
18: Cotchin (-), Rance (-), Putt (-), Gourdis (-)

Oldest XXII on the list.

Bowden Silvester Moore
Newman Polak McMahon
Hyde Tuck King
Pettifer Richo Howat
Brown Schultz Jackson
Simmonds Johnson Foley
Tivendale Cartledge Cogs Raines

 >:(
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: Judge Roughneck on March 09, 2008, 12:54:59 PM
McGaune Thursfeild JON
Connors Rance Casserly
Polo Cotchin Morton
Edwards Hughes Collard
Meyer Riewoldt Gourdis
Pattison Deledio Tambling

White Putt Collins Graham

The younger 1/2 of our list gives abit more hope. Deledio/Cotchin/Tambling/Morton/Polo/Connors/Edwards should develop into what every team needs, a 10-12 player future midfeild unit.

Wallace/Miller have been critized for lack of talls, but that 'future spine' is made up mostly of first round draft picks from the last 4 drafts; Reiwoldt (#13), Rance (#18), Hughes (#24 - expected to go higher), Pattison (#20), Thusty who was a bit of a steal. What we really lack is a stand out young tall (top 5 KPP type). ie. Gumbleton/Franklin/Kruzer. This is due to overachiving 05/06.
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: blx on March 09, 2008, 01:05:31 PM
i think we all agree wholeheartedly about the mcmahon deal but two points id like to make...

1. i think its fair that we dont assassinate mcmahon as it not his fault, its millers and millers entirely. personally attacking mcmahon imo is not right.

2. can we now move on from mcmahongate and not raise it every second topic thats comes up on these boards. we've already lots to be depressed about than to keep harping on and on about this.

 :thumbsup
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: Tigermonk on March 09, 2008, 03:08:07 PM
because the new kid on the block aint read any previous threads & is about to embark us all on some misery  :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: mightytiges on March 09, 2008, 05:28:21 PM
MT you always fall back on the fact we are & dont chuck them to the wolves
when infact all other clubs play there youngsters & they handle the AFL just look at some youngsters who thrived in the NAB series
notice none of them were Tiger players  :lol :lol
a youngster tagged Goodwin in tonights GF
stop with your youth policy turnover rubbish cause its not the case at Richmond
we been rebuilding for years & years just we got the wrong people rebuilding us
Richmond is struggling from bad coaches & bad choices plain simple fact
l think that you turning up to training all the time makes you beleive these tigertales that your always trying to protect them with your age & draft turnover & the not ready for senior football posts
l can tell you from my work within the afl that these youngsters are better trained than you think & ready to take it on & most played senior footy at a young age & against tougher men thats why they get picked to train & play for the U18 comp to be drafted & some spending 2 years within the ranks
l'm tired of poor excuses from supporters & the spin from Tigerland its too much
l'm not sitting here for another year going over & over the same spin l had enough Richmond are just plain pooh l rather spend my time watching good games
TM if you believe the gap between TAC Cup and AFL is not massive then with all due respect seriously you're kidding yourself and btw I've seen the highest standard junior footy since I was a young kid going to watch U19 games each week (my Dad was timekeeper). If you watched the U18 champs last year the gap was frightening  :help.

If you believe we've been rebuilding and rebuilding for years then you haven't been following our recruiting too closely since 1980. Before the 2004 draft we only rebuilt with youth once way back under KB and that was continued by Northey where we also got lucky with Fitzroy giving away Brodders and Mick Gale. The rest of the time especially post-95 was spent trading away good picks for ready-made duds or drafting them anyway deluding ourselves we weren't far away.

As for a young St Kilda side last night, just 5 Saints out of the 26 who played were under 23 y.o. :wallywink.
36: Harvey
29: King
28: Hayes, M.Gardiner, Milne
27: Baker, Blake
26: Fiora
25; Riewoldt, Birss, Koschitzke, S. Fisher, C.Gardiner
24: X.Clarke, Montagna, Dal Santo, Jones
23: Gram, L.Fisher, Schneider, Ball  (all turn 24 by April/May)
22: R.Clarke
21: Gilbert
20: Allen
19: Armitage, Geary
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: mightytiges on March 09, 2008, 06:36:07 PM
Fantastic post and I totally agree.
Watch some great kids in the pre season games this year perform well, havent seen any at our club.
The age theory is complete rubbish and just another lame excuse.
Tell you something MT, come and watch a few games with me this year and I will point a few things out to you.
Richmonds problem is that we are extremely poorly coached and have and still are recruiting poorly, we dont develop players when they are at the club which further esculates the problems we have.
And might also say that some of the kids we have arent much good either. These kids have been picked up in the past 2-3 years under the Wallace reign
I know my footy thanks very much. I don't need a school lesson  ::). I also know to take preseason form with a grain of salt.

I also know that the reason you draft a lot of kids is because about half on average don't make it. The problem in the past has been Richmond recruited just a few kids and threw all their eggs in one basket somehow miraculously expecting every one of them to make it. It doesn't work that way and it's the reason we have a massive hole in our list and we still require oldies Richo, Bowden, Johnson and Tivs  :P instead of what should be a large mid-20s core which doesn't exist at Punt Rd.

Amusing seeing our own supporters exhalting the one-game wonder preseason/practice games of other club youngsters while bagging our own who have done far more at the same age and are required to carry more of the workload in the real stuff thanks to a crap senior core or what's left of it.

The other amusing thing is because I and others see us as a young inexperienced side who won't make a real impact for another 2-3 years and hence Plough mostly likely will be gone in 18 months time anyway we get called Wallace lovers who need a lesson in footy strategy. One minute it's the kids we recruit are all no good and the next it's soley the coach's fault. I know it's frustrating being told to wait longer after already waiting a quarter of a century thanks to the club's own ineptness but please! :rollin   
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: yellowandback on March 09, 2008, 07:08:46 PM
I have made the point several times over - the Richmond that we see today basically started as a new club in 2004.  That was the 1st draft in many years where we drafted more than 4 under 18 aged players:-

1996 - 3 under agers
1997 - 3
1998 - 3
1999 - 5 but a poor draft for RFC forever known as Pavlichgate
2000 - 5 - 4 still on our list, Petts, Newman Hyde and Coggie, 3 good gets
2001 - 2
2002 - 2 with 1 of those de-listed after a year
2003 - 6 with 2 left
2004 - 7 with 6 left and 4 or 5 good gets, potentially a great draft like 2000 AND 2 great rookies
2005 - 3
2006 - 5 with 1 de-listed after a year
2007 - 3? with a priority pick traded

We need 4-6 picks EVERY year,

1996 - 2
1997 - 6 picked up Scarlett
1998 - 3 picking up Tom Harley in a trade
1999 - 7 picking up Corey, Chapman, Ling and Enright traded for Mooney
2000 - 3
2001 - 7 picking up Ablett, Johnstons (David and Steve), Kelly
2002 - 3
2003 - 4
2004 - 3
2005 - 5
2006 - 4
2007 - 4

23 picks to Tigers from 96-02 and Cats 31.  MMMM, see the link?

They generally trade once per year and with the exception of Otto have not completed any massive trades.

We need to draft at least 1-2 more players each year, when we do that it actually freakin works. 

Player development IS another matter, if we don't get big years from Thursfield, Lids, Tambo, Patto, Polo and possibly McGuane then I'll be off the coaching wagon.

If we do get decent years from that group, guess what?

We'll win a few games and if that does happen hopefully the pre-season experts will shut the FXXX UP!!! (Especially the blue boys)

Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: Smokey on March 09, 2008, 07:16:08 PM
I know my footy thanks very much. I don't need a school lesson  ::). I also know to take preseason form with a grain of salt.

I also know that the reason you draft a lot of kids is because about half on average don't make it. The problem in the past has been Richmond recruited just a few kids and threw all their eggs in one basket somehow miraculously expecting every one of them to make it. It doesn't work that way and it's the reason we have a massive hole in our list and we still require oldies Richo, Bowden, Johnson and Tivs  :P instead of what should be a large mid-20s core which doesn't exist at Punt Rd.

Amusing seeing our own supporters exhalting the one-game wonder preseason/practice games of other club youngsters while bagging our own who have done far more at the same age and are required to carry more of the workload in the real stuff thanks to a crap senior core or what's left of it.

The other amusing thing is because I and others see us as a young inexperienced side who won't make a real impact for another 2-3 years and hence Plough mostly likely will be gone in 18 months time anyway we get called Wallace lovers who need a lesson in footy strategy. One minute it's the kids we recruit are all no good and the next it's soley the coach's fault. I know it's frustrating being told to wait longer after already waiting a quarter of a century thanks to the club's own ineptness but please! :rollin   
:clapping :thumbsup
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: Tigermonk on March 09, 2008, 07:41:19 PM
 :rollin  :rollin
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: mightytiges on March 09, 2008, 07:46:25 PM
I have made the point several times over - the Richmond that we see today basically started as a new club in 2004.  That was the 1st draft in many years where we drafted more than 4 under 18 aged players:-

1996 - 3 under agers
1997 - 3
1998 - 3
1999 - 5 but a poor draft for RFC forever known as Pavlichgate
2000 - 5 - 4 still on our list, Petts, Newman Hyde and Coggie, 3 good gets
2001 - 2
2002 - 2 with 1 of those de-listed after a year
2003 - 6 with 2 left
2004 - 7 with 6 left and 4 or 5 good gets, potentially a great draft like 2000 AND 2 great rookies
2005 - 3
2006 - 5 with 1 de-listed after a year
2007 - 3? with a priority pick traded

We need 4-6 picks EVERY year,

1996 - 2
1997 - 6 picked up Scarlett
1998 - 3 picking up Tom Harley in a trade
1999 - 7 picking up Corey, Chapman, Ling and Enright traded for Mooney
2000 - 3
2001 - 7 picking up Ablett, Johnstons (David and Steve), Kelly
2002 - 3
2003 - 4
2004 - 3
2005 - 5
2006 - 4
2007 - 4

23 picks to Tigers from 96-02 and Cats 31.  MMMM, see the link?

They generally trade once per year and with the exception of Otto have not completed any massive trades.

We need to draft at least 1-2 more players each year, when we do that it actually freakin works. 

Player development IS another matter, if we don't get big years from Thursfield, Lids, Tambo, Patto, Polo and possibly McGuane then I'll be off the coaching wagon.

If we do get decent years from that group, guess what?

We'll win a few games and if that does happen hopefully the pre-season experts will shut the FXXX UP!!! (Especially the blue boys)


Geelong also gained a huge advantage via their many father-sons for just 3rd round picks.

Apart from 2000, the 1997-2002 drafts were absolute disasters for us. Few kids picked up and often late in the draft after trading away our early picks. It says it all that we only picked up 2 kids in the 2001 superdraft compared to Geelong's 7 and our earliest pick was Rodan at 33.
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: Little Jackie on March 09, 2008, 08:24:11 PM
Fantastic post and I totally agree.
Watch some great kids in the pre season games this year perform well, havent seen any at our club.
The age theory is complete rubbish and just another lame excuse.
Tell you something MT, come and watch a few games with me this year and I will point a few things out to you.
Richmonds problem is that we are extremely poorly coached and have and still are recruiting poorly, we dont develop players when they are at the club which further esculates the problems we have.
And might also say that some of the kids we have arent much good either. These kids have been picked up in the past 2-3 years under the Wallace reign
I know my footy thanks very much. I don't need a school lesson  ::). I also know to take preseason form with a grain of salt.

I also know that the reason you draft a lot of kids is because about half on average don't make it. The problem in the past has been Richmond recruited just a few kids and threw all their eggs in one basket somehow miraculously expecting every one of them to make it. It doesn't work that way and it's the reason we have a massive hole in our list and we still require oldies Richo, Bowden, Johnson and Tivs  :P instead of what should be a large mid-20s core which doesn't exist at Punt Rd.

Amusing seeing our own supporters exhalting the one-game wonder preseason/practice games of other club youngsters while bagging our own who have done far more at the same age and are required to carry more of the workload in the real stuff thanks to a crap senior core or what's left of it.

The other amusing thing is because I and others see us as a young inexperienced side who won't make a real impact for another 2-3 years and hence Plough mostly likely will be gone in 18 months time anyway we get called Wallace lovers who need a lesson in footy strategy. One minute it's the kids we recruit are all no good and the next it's soley the coach's fault. I know it's frustrating being told to wait longer after already waiting a quarter of a century thanks to the club's own ineptness but please! :rollin   

Whats amusing is that OUR best young player has been playing at Coburg.
- EDWARDS!
The rest will have little or no impact at the RFC . If you think the likes of JON and others will make an impact, you are all deluded.
Lets dont mention Peterson.
Riedwoldt is no certainty to make it either.
So thats one player out of the 2006 National Draft who shows something, the rest including Connors and Collins, the jury is out. Matty White as well.
And how many times ar the going to keep rooking Cam Howat?
Surely the must know about him now.

As for pre-season form, its funny actually laughable that Richmond supporters ""fobb off"" its only pre-season form, cause you know what, we cant win anything. Facts are everytime they ran out to play they actually try and win. Can tell you they were peeed right off against losing to the saints

And I might add,hindsight is a great thing but why didnt they pick up or look at Steven King and or Charlie Gardiner like the saints did,? They would have been better off going and getting them than having some of the rubbish they kept on the list. Can tell you that both will play most games at the saints and release the pressure of Reidwoldt and Kozi

And if they did pick them up, it will solve your age and experience issue :wallywink
Kings last 5 games have resulted in 3 premierships :thumbsup
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: Little Jackie on March 09, 2008, 08:30:38 PM
Fantastic post and I totally agree.
Watch some great kids in the pre season games this year perform well, havent seen any at our club.
The age theory is complete rubbish and just another lame excuse.
Tell you something MT, come and watch a few games with me this year and I will point a few things out to you.
Richmonds problem is that we are extremely poorly coached and have and still are recruiting poorly, we dont develop players when they are at the club which further esculates the problems we have.
And might also say that some of the kids we have arent much good either. These kids have been picked up in the past 2-3 years under the Wallace reign
I know my footy thanks very much. I don't need a school lesson  ::). I also know to take preseason form with a grain of salt.

I also know that the reason you draft a lot of kids is because about half on average don't make it. The problem in the past has been Richmond recruited just a few kids and threw all their eggs in one basket somehow miraculously expecting every one of them to make it. It doesn't work that way and it's the reason we have a massive hole in our list and we still require oldies Richo, Bowden, Johnson and Tivs  :P instead of what should be a large mid-20s core which doesn't exist at Punt Rd.

Amusing seeing our own supporters exhalting the one-game wonder preseason/practice games of other club youngsters while bagging our own who have done far more at the same age and are required to carry more of the workload in the real stuff thanks to a crap senior core or what's left of it.

The other amusing thing is because I and others see us as a young inexperienced side who won't make a real impact for another 2-3 years and hence Plough mostly likely will be gone in 18 months time anyway we get called Wallace lovers who need a lesson in footy strategy. One minute it's the kids we recruit are all no good and the next it's soley the coach's fault. I know it's frustrating being told to wait longer after already waiting a quarter of a century thanks to the club's own ineptness but please! :rollin   

At least other clubs produce kids that CAN play and show something.
Shane Edwards looks a terrific player in the making. Where has he been playing ? You tell me!
As for your mate Plough, you wont have to wait 18 months, more likely 18 weeks  ;)
Whats frustrating is that we havent shown ANY signs of improvement and if Plough thinks that guys like Jay Schulz and that other weed from the Dogs are the future, well he has rocks in his head and he will die by his own decisions.
The team lacks mongrel, plays with little aggression.
You know something else, teams used to fear playing the RFC back in the 70,s thesedays, they know more than likely than not that the tiges will"' roll over "" by half time. Fact!
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: Moi on March 09, 2008, 08:50:18 PM
I know my footy thanks very much. I don't need a school lesson  ::).
If you do need any lessons MT you know where to come, just send me a PM.
Err I did my thesis on Collo ;) so anything at all, just ask, would be my pleasure

 ;)

 :rollin
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: mightytiges on March 09, 2008, 09:02:11 PM
I know my footy thanks very much. I don't need a school lesson  ::).
If you do need any lessons MT you know where to come, just send me a PM.
Err I did my thesis on Collo ;) so anything at all, just ask, would be my pleasure

 ;)

 :rollin
:lol

Hey Moi, you taught Collo everything he knows  ;D
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: yellowandback on March 09, 2008, 09:05:39 PM
 :sleep
:rollin  :rollin
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: HKTiger on March 09, 2008, 09:07:49 PM
Jackstar,

I normally refrain from
a) reading your posts, and
b) responding,

but hey, it's Sunday morning the Force just got knocked off and I'm a little steamed up.

But your last two posts are just plain rubbish.  MT posts lists, comparative ages etc. and you come out with sweeping statements and no fact.  You exhibit no knowledge about football, building something and developing people.

If other clubs are so good at developing kids and so many of them.  Name them.  Hiding behind a statment "at least other clubs produce kids that CAN play"  is just so much BS.  Name them.

If anything that is the one thing that has improved out of sight since TW came to the RFC we are developing footballers.

A quick list would be:
- Luke McGuane,
- Daniel Jackson,
- Adam Pattison,
- Dean Polo,
- Will Thursfield,
- Nathan Foley

Marginal:
- Kel Moore

I've left out the first rounders as they're expected to make the grade.  That's just a quick list of players that have improved, "developed" at the Tiges.  And I'd take all of them ahead of any other clubs players.  (And yes that's an emotive statement not a logical one, but that's what being a fan is about.)

yeah, some haven't kicked on, some will take an extra year or two, Casserley, JON etc.  That's called development.  It's how it works and all clubs do it.
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: tigersalive on March 09, 2008, 09:22:12 PM
Fantastic post and I totally agree.
Watch some great kids in the pre season games this year perform well, havent seen any at our club.
The age theory is complete rubbish and just another lame excuse.
Tell you something MT, come and watch a few games with me this year and I will point a few things out to you.
Richmonds problem is that we are extremely poorly coached and have and still are recruiting poorly, we dont develop players when they are at the club which further esculates the problems we have.
And might also say that some of the kids we have arent much good either. These kids have been picked up in the past 2-3 years under the Wallace reign
I know my footy thanks very much. I don't need a school lesson  ::). I also know to take preseason form with a grain of salt.

I also know that the reason you draft a lot of kids is because about half on average don't make it. The problem in the past has been Richmond recruited just a few kids and threw all their eggs in one basket somehow miraculously expecting every one of them to make it. It doesn't work that way and it's the reason we have a massive hole in our list and we still require oldies Richo, Bowden, Johnson and Tivs  :P instead of what should be a large mid-20s core which doesn't exist at Punt Rd.

Amusing seeing our own supporters exhalting the one-game wonder preseason/practice games of other club youngsters while bagging our own who have done far more at the same age and are required to carry more of the workload in the real stuff thanks to a crap senior core or what's left of it.

The other amusing thing is because I and others see us as a young inexperienced side who won't make a real impact for another 2-3 years and hence Plough mostly likely will be gone in 18 months time anyway we get called Wallace lovers who need a lesson in footy strategy. One minute it's the kids we recruit are all no good and the next it's soley the coach's fault. I know it's frustrating being told to wait longer after already waiting a quarter of a century thanks to the club's own ineptness but please! :rollin   

Whats amusing is that OUR best young player has been playing at Coburg.
- EDWARDS!
The rest will have little or no impact at the RFC . If you think the likes of JON and others will make an impact, you are all deluded.
Lets dont mention Peterson.
Riedwoldt is no certainty to make it either.
So thats one player out of the 2006 National Draft who shows something, the rest including Connors and Collins, the jury is out. Matty White as well.
And how many times ar the going to keep rooking Cam Howat?
Surely the must know about him now.

As for pre-season form, its funny actually laughable that Richmond supporters ""fobb off"" its only pre-season form, cause you know what, we cant win anything. Facts are everytime they ran out to play they actually try and win. Can tell you they were peeed right off against losing to the saints

And I might add,hindsight is a great thing but why didnt they pick up or look at Steven King and or Charlie Gardiner like the saints did,? They would have been better off going and getting them than having some of the rubbish they kept on the list. Can tell you that both will play most games at the saints and release the pressure of Reidwoldt and Kozi


And if they did pick them up, it will solve your age and experience issue :wallywink
Kings last 5 games have resulted in 3 premierships :thumbsup

I corrected you about this a little while ago so dont try it again with your babble.

King and Charlie WANTED to leave Geelong and CHOSE St Kilda as their prefered destination.

Geelong were very good about it and obliged by taking a nothing pick, 90-ish.  Geelong could've commanded much more but they respected that's where they wanted to go.

Oh.  FACT!  :shh
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: tigersalive on March 09, 2008, 09:27:00 PM
Fantastic post and I totally agree.
Watch some great kids in the pre season games this year perform well, havent seen any at our club.
The age theory is complete rubbish and just another lame excuse.
Tell you something MT, come and watch a few games with me this year and I will point a few things out to you.
Richmonds problem is that we are extremely poorly coached and have and still are recruiting poorly, we dont develop players when they are at the club which further esculates the problems we have.
And might also say that some of the kids we have arent much good either. These kids have been picked up in the past 2-3 years under the Wallace reign
I know my footy thanks very much. I don't need a school lesson  ::). I also know to take preseason form with a grain of salt.

I also know that the reason you draft a lot of kids is because about half on average don't make it. The problem in the past has been Richmond recruited just a few kids and threw all their eggs in one basket somehow miraculously expecting every one of them to make it. It doesn't work that way and it's the reason we have a massive hole in our list and we still require oldies Richo, Bowden, Johnson and Tivs  :P instead of what should be a large mid-20s core which doesn't exist at Punt Rd.

Amusing seeing our own supporters exhalting the one-game wonder preseason/practice games of other club youngsters while bagging our own who have done far more at the same age and are required to carry more of the workload in the real stuff thanks to a crap senior core or what's left of it.

The other amusing thing is because I and others see us as a young inexperienced side who won't make a real impact for another 2-3 years and hence Plough mostly likely will be gone in 18 months time anyway we get called Wallace lovers who need a lesson in footy strategy. One minute it's the kids we recruit are all no good and the next it's soley the coach's fault. I know it's frustrating being told to wait longer after already waiting a quarter of a century thanks to the club's own ineptness but please! :rollin   

At least other clubs produce kids that CAN play and show something.
Shane Edwards looks a terrific player in the making. Where has he been playing ? You tell me!

As for your mate Plough, you wont have to wait 18 months, more likely 18 weeks  ;)
Whats frustrating is that we havent shown ANY signs of improvement and if Plough thinks that guys like Jay Schulz and that other weed from the Dogs are the future, well he has rocks in his head and he will die by his own decisions.
The team lacks mongrel, plays with little aggression.
You know something else, teams used to fear playing the RFC back in the 70,s thesedays, they know more than likely than not that the tiges will"' roll over "" by half time. Fact!

Had a quad problem so he's been wrapped in cotten wool for round 1 I imagine, playing in a lower level such as Coburg so he still gets a run but it isnt at AFL pace that might hurt it.  Smart coaching considering pre-season games are worth nothing.  :thumbsup
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: Little Jackie on March 09, 2008, 09:38:07 PM
Jackstar,

I normally refrain from
a) reading your posts, and
b) responding,

but hey, it's Sunday morning the Force just got knocked off and I'm a little steamed up.

But your last two posts are just plain rubbish.  MT posts lists, comparative ages etc. and you come out with sweeping statements and no fact.  You exhibit no knowledge about football, building something and developing people.

If other clubs are so good at developing kids and so many of them.  Name them.  Hiding behind a statment "at least other clubs produce kids that CAN play"  is just so much BS.  Name them.

If anything that is the one thing that has improved out of sight since TW came to the RFC we are developing footballers.

A quick list would be:
- Luke McGuane,
- Daniel Jackson,
- Adam Pattison,
- Dean Polo,
- Will Thursfield,
- Nathan Foley

Marginal:
- Kel Moore

I've left out the first rounders as they're expected to make the grade.  That's just a quick list of players that have improved, "developed" at the Tiges.  And I'd take all of them ahead of any other clubs players.  (And yes that's an emotive statement not a logical one, but that's what being a fan is about.)

yeah, some haven't kicked on, some will take an extra year or two, Casserley, JON etc.  That's called development.  It's how it works and all clubs do it.

I am glad you read my posts H/Tiger, its better than the dribble than comes out of ploughs mouth :lol
I laugh when you say I exhbit no knowledge of football, thats comedy at its best :lol
The quick list of players you have listed.
Only Thursfield and Foley would be the only players I would keep, long term.
Dont think McGaune is up too against teams that would play finals football, imagine playing him on a Juston Koschitzke type player, especially when you would ahve Gehrig and Riewoldt up there as well, just an example. or Luke McGaune on Scott Lucas, good luck!

Wouldnt think that Daniel Jackson wouldnt get a game at another club on a regular basis either

Patterson, jury is out there as well, not good below his knees and got flogged against experience rucks in NAB cup.( Have a look at game against the saints against Steven King, note his positioning at centre bounces, might as well conceded the contest)
Not a rap for Polo, bit of a weird character.,also got injury problems which arent good.

JON will never make it, why ? he cant kick , pure and simple

One thing is for certain that richmond havent developed there younger players.
Where is Danny Meyer?  Tambling, oh yeah, he has really developed hasnt he, NOT!
And Carl Peterson, it was all too hard.

Anyway, you should of watched the NAB cup last night, seen a star in the making, Kurt Tippett. I actually watched him play at Southport 2 years ago. My memory he didnt play any junior football and played basketball instead.?? Told the powers at punt road, only to fall on deaf ears, we took Reiwoldt and Edwards, I know who will be the better player between Reiwoldt and Tippett. Considering Tippett was injured for most of last year. :banghead. By the way , Tippet is 10cm taller

Mate, I could pick 2 players from every club that have shown up in the NAB cup games, tell me any young player the tiges have pushed up and played well ??? No one.  And there playing our best youngster at Coburg-Edwards,who will be a star I might add.




Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: Little Jackie on March 09, 2008, 09:42:13 PM
Fantastic post and I totally agree.
Watch some great kids in the pre season games this year perform well, havent seen any at our club.
The age theory is complete rubbish and just another lame excuse.
Tell you something MT, come and watch a few games with me this year and I will point a few things out to you.
Richmonds problem is that we are extremely poorly coached and have and still are recruiting poorly, we dont develop players when they are at the club which further esculates the problems we have.
And might also say that some of the kids we have arent much good either. These kids have been picked up in the past 2-3 years under the Wallace reign
I know my footy thanks very much. I don't need a school lesson  ::). I also know to take preseason form with a grain of salt.

I also know that the reason you draft a lot of kids is because about half on average don't make it. The problem in the past has been Richmond recruited just a few kids and threw all their eggs in one basket somehow miraculously expecting every one of them to make it. It doesn't work that way and it's the reason we have a massive hole in our list and we still require oldies Richo, Bowden, Johnson and Tivs  :P instead of what should be a large mid-20s core which doesn't exist at Punt Rd.

Amusing seeing our own supporters exhalting the one-game wonder preseason/practice games of other club youngsters while bagging our own who have done far more at the same age and are required to carry more of the workload in the real stuff thanks to a crap senior core or what's left of it.

The other amusing thing is because I and others see us as a young inexperienced side who won't make a real impact for another 2-3 years and hence Plough mostly likely will be gone in 18 months time anyway we get called Wallace lovers who need a lesson in footy strategy. One minute it's the kids we recruit are all no good and the next it's soley the coach's fault. I know it's frustrating being told to wait longer after already waiting a quarter of a century thanks to the club's own ineptness but please! :rollin   

At least other clubs produce kids that CAN play and show something.
Shane Edwards looks a terrific player in the making. Where has he been playing ? You tell me!

As for your mate Plough, you wont have to wait 18 months, more likely 18 weeks  ;)
Whats frustrating is that we havent shown ANY signs of improvement and if Plough thinks that guys like Jay Schulz and that other weed from the Dogs are the future, well he has rocks in his head and he will die by his own decisions.
The team lacks mongrel, plays with little aggression.
You know something else, teams used to fear playing the RFC back in the 70,s thesedays, they know more than likely than not that the tiges will"' roll over "" by half time. Fact!

Had a quad problem so he's been wrapped in cotten wool for round 1 I imagine, playing in a lower level such as Coburg so he still gets a run but it isnt at AFL pace that might hurt it.  Smart coaching considering pre-season games are worth nothing.  :thumbsup

Smart coaching :banghead. Thats not possible
Could of played him off the bench .

Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: tigersalive on March 09, 2008, 09:46:05 PM
Fantastic post and I totally agree.
Watch some great kids in the pre season games this year perform well, havent seen any at our club.
The age theory is complete rubbish and just another lame excuse.
Tell you something MT, come and watch a few games with me this year and I will point a few things out to you.
Richmonds problem is that we are extremely poorly coached and have and still are recruiting poorly, we dont develop players when they are at the club which further esculates the problems we have.
And might also say that some of the kids we have arent much good either. These kids have been picked up in the past 2-3 years under the Wallace reign
I know my footy thanks very much. I don't need a school lesson  ::). I also know to take preseason form with a grain of salt.

I also know that the reason you draft a lot of kids is because about half on average don't make it. The problem in the past has been Richmond recruited just a few kids and threw all their eggs in one basket somehow miraculously expecting every one of them to make it. It doesn't work that way and it's the reason we have a massive hole in our list and we still require oldies Richo, Bowden, Johnson and Tivs  :P instead of what should be a large mid-20s core which doesn't exist at Punt Rd.

Amusing seeing our own supporters exhalting the one-game wonder preseason/practice games of other club youngsters while bagging our own who have done far more at the same age and are required to carry more of the workload in the real stuff thanks to a crap senior core or what's left of it.

The other amusing thing is because I and others see us as a young inexperienced side who won't make a real impact for another 2-3 years and hence Plough mostly likely will be gone in 18 months time anyway we get called Wallace lovers who need a lesson in footy strategy. One minute it's the kids we recruit are all no good and the next it's soley the coach's fault. I know it's frustrating being told to wait longer after already waiting a quarter of a century thanks to the club's own ineptness but please! :rollin   

At least other clubs produce kids that CAN play and show something.
Shane Edwards looks a terrific player in the making. Where has he been playing ? You tell me!

As for your mate Plough, you wont have to wait 18 months, more likely 18 weeks  ;)
Whats frustrating is that we havent shown ANY signs of improvement and if Plough thinks that guys like Jay Schulz and that other weed from the Dogs are the future, well he has rocks in his head and he will die by his own decisions.
The team lacks mongrel, plays with little aggression.
You know something else, teams used to fear playing the RFC back in the 70,s thesedays, they know more than likely than not that the tiges will"' roll over "" by half time. Fact!

Had a quad problem so he's been wrapped in cotten wool for round 1 I imagine, playing in a lower level such as Coburg so he still gets a run but it isnt at AFL pace that might hurt it.  Smart coaching considering pre-season games are worth nothing.  :thumbsup

Smart coaching :banghead. Thats not possible
Could of played him off the bench .

Yes you could've but why would you when its a NAB challenge game?
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: Little Jackie on March 09, 2008, 09:58:21 PM
Too say its just a NAB game is the lameless excuse of all time.
We cant win any game, we struggle for membership.
Can tell you that they had a real red hot go against the saints.
We have a losing culture mentality and to say its only a nab cup game just shows why the tiges are on the bottom.

Big difference between the tops clubs and the losers, as Geelong showed on friday nite, every opportunity to squash opposition teams, jsut squash them
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: WilliamPowell on March 09, 2008, 10:01:10 PM
I know my footy thanks very much. I don't need a school lesson  ::). I also know to take preseason form with a grain of salt.

I also know that the reason you draft a lot of kids is because about half on average don't make it. The problem in the past has been Richmond recruited just a few kids and threw all their eggs in one basket somehow miraculously expecting every one of them to make it. It doesn't work that way and it's the reason we have a massive hole in our list and we still require oldies Richo, Bowden, Johnson and Tivs  :P instead of what should be a large mid-20s core which doesn't exist at Punt Rd.

Amusing seeing our own supporters exhalting the one-game wonder preseason/practice games of other club youngsters while bagging our own who have done far more at the same age and are required to carry more of the workload in the real stuff thanks to a crap senior core or what's left of it.

The other amusing thing is because I and others see us as a young inexperienced side who won't make a real impact for another 2-3 years and hence Plough mostly likely will be gone in 18 months time anyway we get called Wallace lovers who need a lesson in footy strategy. One minute it's the kids we recruit are all no good and the next it's soley the coach's fault. I know it's frustrating being told to wait longer after already waiting a quarter of a century thanks to the club's own ineptness but please! :rollin   

 :clapping :clapping :thumbsup

Patterson, jury is out there as well, not good below his knees and got flogged against experience rucks in NAB cup.( Have a look at game against the saints against Steven King, note his positioning at centre bounces, might as well conceded the contest)

He got beaten against experienced ruckman :o Struth that's a surprise seeing he is coming into his 4th season what's King up to? That's to be expected I would think - it is what the kid learns from it that's important

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And Carl Peterson, it was all too hard.


This is funny - how would you or anyone else know what happened there? Insider info ;D

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 And there playing our best youngster at Coburg-Edwards,who will be a star I might add.

Edwards has been injured - hence why he is coming back through Coburg. Now I would think this is a good thing but obviously I am sadly mistaken  ::)
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: mightytiges on March 09, 2008, 10:04:30 PM
Whats amusing is that OUR best young player has been playing at Coburg.
- EDWARDS!
The rest will have little or no impact at the RFC . If you think the likes of JON and others will make an impact, you are all deluded.
Lets dont mention Peterson.
Riedwoldt is no certainty to make it either.
So thats one player out of the 2006 National Draft who shows something, the rest including Connors and Collins, the jury is out. Matty White as well.
And how many times ar the going to keep rooking Cam Howat?
Surely the must know about him now.

As for pre-season form, its funny actually laughable that Richmond supporters ""fobb off"" its only pre-season form, cause you know what, we cant win anything. Facts are everytime they ran out to play they actually try and win. Can tell you they were peeed right off against losing to the saints


And I might add,hindsight is a great thing but why didnt they pick up or look at Steven King and or Charlie Gardiner like the saints did,? They would have been better off going and getting them than having some of the rubbish they kept on the list. Can tell you that both will play most games at the saints and release the pressure of Reidwoldt and Kozi

And if they did pick them up, it will solve your age and experience issue :wallywink
Kings last 5 games have resulted in 3 premierships :thumbsup
King is 29  ::). Alright for the Saints who are going all out for the flag but he won't be around in 3 years time. Injury-prone too which is why Blake did most of the ruck last year for Geelong in tag with Otto. I can just imagine the outcry if we recruited King and/or Charlie Gardiner. Just what we need another injury prone ruckman and/or another VFL standard footballer.

As for preseason form it does mean bugger all. Carlton over the past 5 years proves that. I forgot deluded Essendon fans now think they'll finish top 4  ::).

As for Edwards he had a quad injury which is why he didn't play in the NAB Cup. The past week I think he's okay again. Cotchin and Rance would've played too if they weren't injured. Foley and Tambling started and spent a lot of that Saints game on the bench because they weren't 100%.

As for the 2006 draft, which kids apart from Joel Selwood and Westhoff have shown anything of substance  ???. Even Gibbs was played in a back pocket. Your judging and dismissing kids after one year  ???. Can tell you Connors will most likely struggle this year without a preseason but I'm sure some Tiger supporters will call him a dud. Agree with you Jack on JON and Howat though  ;).

As for the 1970s. If I hear another Richmond supporter bring up ancient history I'll -> :chuck lol. Hello 21st century! It says it all that we're only now beginning to move the club facilities and resources into the modern era.

As for your mate Plough, you wont have to wait 18 months, more likely 18 weeks  
Didn't you say that last year and that Sheedy would be our coach  ;).

ps. I'm no "mate" of Plough's. Neither for nor against him. I can look at things objectively  :whistle.
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: Little Jackie on March 09, 2008, 10:16:37 PM
MT, wait and see come round 8 ;)

2006.
Lets see who has shown something

Selwood-Superstar in the making
Everitt
Djerrkura
Jetta
Tippett
Davey
Tom hawkins
Goldsack
Westhoff( You forgot about him MT ) ;)
Gibbs
Boak
Nathan Krakouer( he is a gun)

Would think you would agree with that lot, if I have forgotten anyone else, let me know.

As for the 1970,s thing, the message I was trying to put across that other clubs think the tiges are the easy beats


Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: Tigermonk on March 09, 2008, 10:20:21 PM
then your telling me that since being drafted that these players are duds in their first years

Adam Cooney
Nick Del Santo
Nick Rewoldt
Justin Koschitzke
Chris Judd
Burgoynes bros
Cornes bros
Brendan Goddard
Brett Ebert
Daneil Wells
Jarred McViegh
Brett Stanton
Alan Didak
Luke Hodge
Lance Franklin
Jordan Lewis
Abletts bros
James Bartel
Bryce Gibbs
Grant Birchall
Dale Thomas
Scott Pendlebury
Daneil Kerr
Marc Murphy

l could add 100 players to this list who progressed from lower level to solidate spots in there clubs top 22
must be all duds cause they had no problems after being drafted from there lower levels & are the league pass setters
notice none of them are Tigers cause our devolopment is so far off the rest & our skills have never got any better
we still turnover the ball like we got a team of Fiora's still & shriek away from hard contests like he did

Richmonds great drafts over recent years
Deledio - proven but not played by his coach properly TW thinks his a FF  :lol :rollin :rollin
Tambling - tribal runner - runs around does nothing
Hughes - not given the chances
JON - given chances he dont deserve another DUD first pick 8 2005  :rollin :rollin hand full of nothing games great selection
Polak - can play but coach dont know how to play him his wasting away ?? his a backman not a forward
Travis Casserly - never played one game draft 2005 wtf another time waster
Jack Rewoldt - namesake dummy first pick 2006 a hand full of games sets the world on fire
Shane Edwards - exciting & wasting away whos fault
Clayton Collard - ???? ex freo draft no good so we took him in to comfort him
Daneil Conners - look at me  :lol look at me  :lol great team player not
Andrew Collins - drafted 2006 for Coburg
Dean Polo - has class but breaks easy l know this lad but how will his coach play him ? cause l think his better than Tambling
Danny Meyer - gets a good game rap on a injured Wanganeen & where is he now pfft why we keep him BROKEN
Mitch Morton - Father /son West Coast draft same year as Deledio played 2 handful of afl games
Dean Limbach - wtf never played a game delisted
Luke McGuane -  floppy jumper lad been broken
Thursfield - floppy jumper lad been broken
Shultz - what can l say the coaching has destroyed him should have traded long ago
Tim Fleming had mongrel we get rid of him for some girl size players
Billy Nicholls cant forget him  :rollin
David Rodan - 2 time Morrish medalist had something to give & we delisted him how FFS
Pettifer - first pick sets the league on fire :rollin
Tivendale - class recruit ruined by coaching
Richo - l would have dropped him till he pulled his kicking together
Sipthorp ??????? who why what
Coughlan - always broken would have traded him to WA team for several players when we could cause he will leave
Tom Roach - name sake
Nathan Brown - broken - mentaly broken from wooden spoons
Andrew Raines should have left with his brother  :rollin great recruiting
Marty McGrath - hmm ruined by bad coaching
Krakouer - ruined to many dinners at Frawleys house to close to coach
Chris Hyde - ruined by coaching & head injuries he had something to offer
nearly forgot Captain Kane Johnson  :rollin getting the captaincy destroyed him
Jake King - performer has balls & skill
Chris Newman - Next Captain best recruit better than Deledio has Balls
l know l have forgotten some but hey

and last of all for memories David Bourke - floppy jumper  :rollin always broken wings  :rollin badly developed & under nourished  :lol you think RFC would learn from that with Thursfield & McGuane & bulk them up while they injured & in the Gym how pathetic

and Richmonds biggest mistake of all them years is they have not made up a solid backline & brought duds for midfield & forward when it was the backline all the time that needed fixing  :rollin :rollin

l just taken this off the top of my head but our recruiting no matter who was doing it has recruited some good players but they get damaged by our poor coaching & development & cant produce a counter attack or defence gameplan once his gameplan blows up nice job TW


Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: Little Jackie on March 09, 2008, 10:23:45 PM
I wont say one word Monk
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: Tigermonk on March 09, 2008, 10:29:14 PM
haha l just splashed that up while eating dinner & knocking up my 30th can
thats why its set out very sloppy & all over the place so l hope you can see what l'm trying to point out

that we are all doomed  :lol
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: HKTiger on March 09, 2008, 10:30:14 PM
Jackstar,

I normally refrain from
a) reading your posts, and
b) responding,

but hey, it's Sunday morning the Force just got knocked off and I'm a little steamed up.

But your last two posts are just plain rubbish.  MT posts lists, comparative ages etc. and you come out with sweeping statements and no fact.  You exhibit no knowledge about football, building something and developing people.

If other clubs are so good at developing kids and so many of them.  Name them.  Hiding behind a statment "at least other clubs produce kids that CAN play"  is just so much BS.  Name them.

If anything that is the one thing that has improved out of sight since TW came to the RFC we are developing footballers.

A quick list would be:
- Luke McGuane,
- Daniel Jackson,
- Adam Pattison,
- Dean Polo,
- Will Thursfield,
- Nathan Foley

Marginal:
- Kel Moore

I've left out the first rounders as they're expected to make the grade.  That's just a quick list of players that have improved, "developed" at the Tiges.  And I'd take all of them ahead of any other clubs players.  (And yes that's an emotive statement not a logical one, but that's what being a fan is about.)

yeah, some haven't kicked on, some will take an extra year or two, Casserley, JON etc.  That's called development.  It's how it works and all clubs do it.

I am glad you read my posts H/Tiger, its better than the dribble than comes out of ploughs mouth :lol
I laugh when you say I exhbit no knowledge of football, thats comedy at its best :lol
The quick list of players you have listed.
Only Thursfield and Foley would be the only players I would keep, long term.
Dont think McGaune is up too against teams that would play finals football, imagine playing him on a Juston Koschitzke type player, especially when you would ahve Gehrig and Riewoldt up there as well, just an example. or Luke McGaune on Scott Lucas, good luck!

Wouldnt think that Daniel Jackson wouldnt get a game at another club on a regular basis either

Patterson, jury is out there as well, not good below his knees and got flogged against experience rucks in NAB cup.( Have a look at game against the saints against Steven King, note his positioning at centre bounces, might as well conceded the contest)
Not a rap for Polo, bit of a weird character.,also got injury problems which arent good.

JON will never make it, why ? he cant kick , pure and simple

One thing is for certain that richmond havent developed there younger players.
Where is Danny Meyer?  Tambling, oh yeah, he has really developed hasnt he, NOT!
And Carl Peterson, it was all too hard.

Anyway, you should of watched the NAB cup last night, seen a star in the making, Kurt Tippett. I actually watched him play at Southport 2 years ago. My memory he didnt play any junior football and played basketball instead.?? Told the powers at punt road, only to fall on deaf ears, we took Reiwoldt and Edwards, I know who will be the better player between Reiwoldt and Tippett. Considering Tippett was injured for most of last year. :banghead. By the way , Tippet is 10cm taller

Mate, I could pick 2 players from every club that have shown up in the NAB cup games, tell me any young player the tiges have pushed up and played well ??? No one.  And there playing our best youngster at Coburg-Edwards,who will be a star I might add.






You should learn to read.  I don't read your posts.

So now from all clubs you've named one player.  Kurt Tippet.  Guess what, he was high on our agenda to recruit as well, but we only get one pick in 16 so we can't get every good player.  (Given the couple of posts in between have added this note:  Guess what we get one pick in 16.  Other clubs get to pick good players as well.)

As stated numerous times by others and you continue to ignore, Shane Edwards has been injured and is being nursed back.

But hey bring up a pick 70 odd as proof of lack of development. Actually I hear it was more proof of establishing discipline.  It doesn't matter if Jackson and McGuane don't make it.  The discussion was on development, of which you claimed the RFC did none.  The fact that both those players played pivotal roles in an RFC victory last year indicates that at least once in their careers they did it.  They have developed.

So from the sweeping statement of all clubs your provide one (out of 640 odd that must be tough) and promise to nname two per club.  Well we've got more than two.  You acknowledge two and I can build a case for at least two more.
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: WilliamPowell on March 09, 2008, 10:31:04 PM
2006.
Lets see who has shown something

Everitt


Showed what?  What his big bro's hear used to look like. If you reckon Riewoldt has shown very little then Everitt is in the same category.

Quote
Tom hawkins

He like me showed that eating Fast food is not a good thing  ;D And I would think this pre-season has shown he is going to struggle without Nayfan Ablett not being around and that is scary


Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: Tigermonk on March 09, 2008, 10:32:44 PM
They developed a wooden spoon  :rollin
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: mightytiges on March 09, 2008, 10:38:54 PM
Too say its just a NAB game is the lameless excuse of all time.
We cant win any game, we struggle for membership.
Can tell you that they had a real red hot go against the saints.
We have a losing culture mentality and to say its only a nab cup game just shows why the tiges are on the bottom.

Big difference between the tops clubs and the losers, as Geelong showed on friday nite, every opportunity to squash opposition teams, jsut squash them

So Paul Roos has a losing culture mentality  ???.

Geelong are reigning premiers who won the GF by a record 20 goals and are about to go back-to-back and we are reigning wooden spooners. Now that Geelong practice game was taken seriously but the huge gap doesn't bridge in just 6 months. Before last year they were soft too.

Btw we are on our way to another record membership and we did win 2 preseason games although they're meaningless too.
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: Little Jackie on March 09, 2008, 10:39:41 PM
Jackstar,

I normally refrain from
a) reading your posts, and
b) responding,

but hey, it's Sunday morning the Force just got knocked off and I'm a little steamed up.

But your last two posts are just plain rubbish.  MT posts lists, comparative ages etc. and you come out with sweeping statements and no fact.  You exhibit no knowledge about football, building something and developing people.

If other clubs are so good at developing kids and so many of them.  Name them.  Hiding behind a statment "at least other clubs produce kids that CAN play"  is just so much BS.  Name them.

If anything that is the one thing that has improved out of sight since TW came to the RFC we are developing footballers.

A quick list would be:
- Luke McGuane,
- Daniel Jackson,
- Adam Pattison,
- Dean Polo,
- Will Thursfield,
- Nathan Foley

Marginal:
- Kel Moore

I've left out the first rounders as they're expected to make the grade.  That's just a quick list of players that have improved, "developed" at the Tiges.  And I'd take all of them ahead of any other clubs players.  (And yes that's an emotive statement not a logical one, but that's what being a fan is about.)

yeah, some haven't kicked on, some will take an extra year or two, Casserley, JON etc.  That's called development.  It's how it works and all clubs do it.

I am glad you read my posts H/Tiger, its better than the dribble than comes out of ploughs mouth :lol
I laugh when you say I exhbit no knowledge of football, thats comedy at its best :lol
The quick list of players you have listed.
Only Thursfield and Foley would be the only players I would keep, long term.
Dont think McGaune is up too against teams that would play finals football, imagine playing him on a Juston Koschitzke type player, especially when you would ahve Gehrig and Riewoldt up there as well, just an example. or Luke McGaune on Scott Lucas, good luck!

Wouldnt think that Daniel Jackson wouldnt get a game at another club on a regular basis either

Patterson, jury is out there as well, not good below his knees and got flogged against experience rucks in NAB cup.( Have a look at game against the saints against Steven King, note his positioning at centre bounces, might as well conceded the contest)
Not a rap for Polo, bit of a weird character.,also got injury problems which arent good.

JON will never make it, why ? he cant kick , pure and simple

One thing is for certain that richmond havent developed there younger players.
Where is Danny Meyer?  Tambling, oh yeah, he has really developed hasnt he, NOT!
And Carl Peterson, it was all too hard.

Anyway, you should of watched the NAB cup last night, seen a star in the making, Kurt Tippett. I actually watched him play at Southport 2 years ago. My memory he didnt play any junior football and played basketball instead.?? Told the powers at punt road, only to fall on deaf ears, we took Reiwoldt and Edwards, I know who will be the better player between Reiwoldt and Tippett. Considering Tippett was injured for most of last year. :banghead. By the way , Tippet is 10cm taller

Mate, I could pick 2 players from every club that have shown up in the NAB cup games, tell me any young player the tiges have pushed up and played well ??? No one.  And there playing our best youngster at Coburg-Edwards,who will be a star I might add.






You should learn to read.  I don't read your posts.

So now from all clubs you've named one player.  Kurt Tippet.  Guess what, he was high on our agenda to recruit as well, but we only get one pick in 16 so we can't get every good player.  (Given the couple of posts in between have added this note:  Guess what we get one pick in 16.  Other clubs get to pick good players as well.)

As stated numerous times by others and you continue to ignore, Shane Edwards has been injured and is being nursed back.

But hey bring up a pick 70 odd as proof of lack of development. Actually I hear it was more proof of establishing discipline.  It doesn't matter if Jackson and McGuane don't make it.  The discussion was on development, of which you claimed the RFC did none.  The fact that both those players played pivotal roles in an RFC victory last year indicates that at least once in their careers they did it.  They have developed.

So from the sweeping statement of all clubs your provide one (out of 640 odd that must be tough) and promise to nname two per club.  Well we've got more than two.  You acknowledge two and I can build a case for at least two more.

Mate, I am on going to go through 50 reports from last years games just to prove to you who are the players from other clubs, Port have about 5-6 players, Westoff, Boak, Krakouer etc. Davey from Essendon . I could go on and on
For whats is worth, I actually watched 4 games around last year , every round and can tell you we are "" miles"" off the pace.

I liken the RFC to a racehorse, you cant win a melbourne cup with a horse with three legs :lol
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: HKTiger on March 09, 2008, 10:44:06 PM
then your telling me that since being drafted that these players are duds in their first years

Adam Cooney
Nick Del Santo
Nick Rewoldt
Justin Koschitzke
Chris Judd
Burgoynes bros
Cornes bros
Brendan Goddard
Brett Ebert
Daneil Wells
Jarred McViegh
Brett Stanton
Alan Didak
Luke Hodge
Lance Franklin
Jordan Lewis
Abletts bros
James Bartel
Bryce Gibbs
Grant Birchall
Dale Thomas
Scott Pendlebury
Daneil Kerr
Marc Murphy

l could add 100 players to this list who progressed from lower level to solidate spots in there clubs top 22
must be all duds cause they had no problems after being drafted from there lower levels & are the league pass setters
notice none of them are Tigers cause our devolopment is so far off the rest & our skills have never got any better
we still turnover the ball like we got a team of Fiora's still & shriek away from hard contests like he did

Richmonds great drafts over recent years
Deledio - proven but not played by his coach properly TW thinks his a FF  :lol :rollin :rollin
Tambling - tribal runner - runs around does nothing
Hughes - not given the chances
JON - given chances he dont deserve another DUD first pick 8 2005  :rollin :rollin hand full of nothing games great selection
Polak - can play but coach dont know how to play him his wasting away ?? his a backman not a forward
Travis Casserly - never played one game draft 2005 wtf another time waster
Jack Rewoldt - namesake dummy first pick 2006 a hand full of games sets the world on fire
Shane Edwards - exciting & wasting away whos fault
Clayton Collard - ???? ex freo draft no good so we took him in to comfort him
Daneil Conners - look at me  :lol look at me  :lol great team player not
Andrew Collins - drafted 2006 for Coburg
Dean Polo - has class but breaks easy l know this lad but how will his coach play him ? cause l think his better than Tambling
Danny Meyer - gets a good game rap on a injured Wanganeen & where is he now pfft why we keep him BROKEN
Mitch Morton - Father /son West Coast draft same year as Deledio played 2 handful of afl games
Dean Limbach - wtf never played a game delisted
Luke McGuane -  floppy jumper lad been broken
Thursfield - floppy jumper lad been broken
Shultz - what can l say the coaching has destroyed him should have traded long ago
Tim Fleming had mongrel we get rid of him for some girl size players
Billy Nicholls cant forget him  :rollin
David Rodan - 2 time Morrish medalist had something to give & we delisted him how FFS
Pettifer - first pick sets the league on fire :rollin
Tivendale - class recruit ruined by coaching
Richo - l would have dropped him till he pulled his kicking together
Sipthorp ??????? who why what
Coughlan - always broken would have traded him to WA team for several players when we could cause he will leave
Tom Roach - name sake
Nathan Brown - broken - mentaly broken from wooden spoons
Andrew Raines should have left with his brother  :rollin great recruiting
Marty McGrath - hmm ruined by bad coaching
Krakouer - ruined to many dinners at Frawleys house to close to coach
Chris Hyde - ruined by coaching & head injuries he had something to offer
nearly forgot Captain Kane Johnson  :rollin getting the captaincy destroyed him
Jake King - performer has balls & skill
Chris Newman - Next Captain best recruit better than Deledio has Balls
l know l have forgotten some but hey

and last of all for memories David Bourke - floppy jumper  :rollin always broken wings  :rollin badly developed & under nourished  :lol you think RFC would learn from that with Thursfield & McGuane & bulk them up while they injured & in the Gym how pathetic

and Richmonds biggest mistake of all them years is they have not made up a solid backline & brought duds for midfield & forward when it was the backline all the time that needed fixing  :rollin :rollin

l just taken this off the top of my head but our recruiting no matter who was doing it has recruited some good players but they get damaged by our poor coaching & development & cant produce a counter attack or defence gameplan once his gameplan blows up nice job TW




Great post,  Name all first round players (Most are top 5 picks and use that as proof).  Guess what our top 5 picks are doing OK as well.

I should give up watching the Super 14's.  Crap refereeing peees me off, and then I read this dribble and I stay fired up.

Instead of naming 20 top 5 players from 5 drafts, name more than 5 players from one club in one three year period, who immediately after being drafted become significant contributors.  And leave out the top ten picks.  You'll probably find one maybe two clubs.  Then you'll find fourteen others that take as long to develop their kids as the RFC do.
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: Tigermonk on March 09, 2008, 10:46:22 PM
I liken the RFC to a racehorse, you cant win a melbourne cup with a horse with three legs :lol

and the whip is a wooden spoon  :thumbsup
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: HKTiger on March 09, 2008, 10:50:30 PM

Mate, I am on going to go through 50 reports from last years games just to prove to you who are the players from other clubs, Port have about 5-6 players, Westoff, Boak, Krakouer etc. Davey from Essendon . I could go on and on
For whats is worth, I actually watched 4 games around last year , every round and can tell you we are "" miles"" off the pace.

I liken the RFC to a racehorse, you cant win a melbourne cup with a horse with three legs :lol

Now three from one club, including a top ten pick.  Who was taken before Joel Selwood.  He'd want to be good wouldn't he.  Top ten picks are expected to be good.  It's the others.  The discussion, which you started, is on development.

Krakoeur I'll accept.  Wasn't Westhoff mature aged and had good development in the SANFL.  Guess what we got Jake King.  That's recruiting not development.  Get your arguments straight.
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: Little Jackie on March 09, 2008, 11:19:59 PM
We replaced Tim Flemming with Jake King

By the way, Westoff turned 21 before Xmas.
Was a gun at Central Districts.

Seen alot of Boak., at Geelong under 18,s and at Port last year. GUN!
What about Goldsack at Collingwood. Pick 60 something by memory, ahhhh thats right we picked Carl Peterson before him , we were told dont go there, and guess what, we did

I could argue all nite but cant be bothered, measuring stick is the we are on the bottom, get beat round 1 by the Blue Boys and watch out
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: mightytiges on March 09, 2008, 11:39:53 PM
2006.
Lets see who has shown something

Selwood-Superstar in the making Agree. 21 games averaging almost 20 possies.
Everitt - 8 games. Showed something but played towards the end of the year when the dogs were in freefall.
Djerrkura - He didn't play a game. You mean Varcoe who was drafted in 2005  :wallywink
Jetta - 4 games at 6 disposals per game. Hardly.
Tippett - Looked very good in the NAB Cup although he hasn't played a real game yet and his kicking is iffy (shows he was a basketballer). You could add Sellar in the same boat
Davey - he's not a kid. He's 23 y.o. Might as well include Jake King then.
Tom hawkins - Starred against the bottom 3 clubs but didn't do much else
Goldsack - I forgot him too. 17 games
Westhoff( You forgot about him MT ) ;) No I didn't you blind dope  :rollin.
Gibbs - Hard a poor patch midyear but improved towards the end of the year when the Blues were in tank mode. Played back pocket so was protected.
Boak - I did forget him. Agree
Nathan Krakouer( he is a gun) - 11 games at 9 disposals. Had a terrific game against Geelong at the Cattery but that's about it. Only played 2 games in the 2nd half of the year.
So I'll give you Selwood, Westhoff, Boak, Goldsack and maybe Gibbs and Everitt. Add Leuenberger at the Lions too. Only Port has more than one.

Our Edwards played 16 games so he didn't disgrace himself either.  

8 kids out of 80 showing something in their first year shows it's hardly a good criteria to write kids on/off. Only 4 of those above are top 20 picks btw.
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: Moi on March 09, 2008, 11:46:41 PM
What about Goldsack at Collingwood. Pick 60 something by memory, ahhhh thats right we picked Carl Peterson before him , we were told dont go there, and guess what, we did
Who told them not to go there?
You just pull statements out of your bum lol
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: Little Jackie on March 09, 2008, 11:47:48 PM
Edwards will be a star.
Krakouer is one gifted player.
Yes, I meant Varcoe(its late you know)
Everitt at the dogs is extremely good.

As for other clubs having two or more, you might want to look a bit closer. ;)
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: Little Jackie on March 09, 2008, 11:49:11 PM
What about Goldsack at Collingwood. Pick 60 something by memory, ahhhh thats right we picked Carl Peterson before him , we were told dont go there, and guess what, we did
Who told them not to go there?
You just pull statements out of your bum lol

Fact.,you know that I was involved so whats the point.
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: WilliamPowell on March 09, 2008, 11:50:31 PM
Facts! :banghead :banghead

I think they should be abolished - Fact
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: Little Jackie on March 09, 2008, 11:55:34 PM
What about Goldsack at Collingwood. Pick 60 something by memory, ahhhh thats right we picked Carl Peterson before him , we were told dont go there, and guess what, we did
Who told them not to go there?
You just pull statements out of your bum lol


 ::)
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: Moi on March 09, 2008, 11:57:33 PM
As for other clubs having two or more, you might want to look a bit closer. ;)
And your winks are very annoying also lol
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: Little Jackie on March 09, 2008, 11:58:11 PM
 ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) :thumbsup
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: mightytiges on March 10, 2008, 12:04:04 AM
What about Goldsack at Collingwood. Pick 60 something by memory, ahhhh thats right we picked Carl Peterson before him , we were told dont go there, and guess what, we did
5 hits from 19 pics b/w 2003-2006 drafts for the Pies and 2 of them fell in their lap as father-sons. Rusling is still a maybe.

2006: Ben Reid, Nathan Brown, Chris Dawes, Brad idiot (knee), Goldsack
2005: Thomas, Pendlebury, Danny Stanley, Ryan Cook, John Anthony
2004: Chris Egan, Sean Rusling, Travis Cloke (F/S), Adam Iacobucci
2003: Billy Morrison, Brayden Shaw, Brent Hall, Heath Shaw (F/S), Julian Rowe

Then their rookie and trade successes b/w 2003-2006

Rookies: Maxwell, Martin Clarke
Trades: Medhurst

Hardly puts the RFC to shame. Shows the Pies still depend on the senior core that played in the 2002-3 GFs.
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: mightytiges on March 10, 2008, 12:11:46 AM
As for other clubs having two or more, you might want to look a bit closer. ;)
I did. I have the 2006 draft right in front of me. Nup 8 names for me based on what they showed in 2007.

The other kids were no more impressive than Connors (25 possies against Geelong) and Jack who I haven't included either as they didn't show enough.
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: Tigermonk on March 10, 2008, 01:10:07 AM
what are you talking about Collingwood are playing finals last year 5 points off a grand final & nearly knocking off Geelong that blew the Grand final apart & everyone else away & you constantly bag the magpies cause your jealous there draftees are playing better team football than the pathetic tigers
we are scratching our bums with a wooden spoons 2004 & 2007 one for each side of our bums wishing to be half as good
sad thing is we can beat the magpies but cant win anymore than 4 matches
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: mightytiges on March 10, 2008, 01:36:32 AM
It shows that the Pies haven't relied heavily on their draftees from the past 5 years to make the finals which is what we've been saying all long. Take the handful of the cream from the top and add them to the older senior core that makes up the vast majority of their side. 

ps. why should I be jealous of a club that's won one flag in the past 50 years  ;D.
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: Tigermonk on March 10, 2008, 02:02:37 AM
most of there senior players Buckley Presto, Clement, Wakelin, Holland, Licura, & a couple of others had injuries last year & it was there second core players doing all the work & funny how they nearly made the grand final
and its 2 flags in 50 years 1958 1990 cause this year aint started yet  :lol
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: Francois Jackson on March 10, 2008, 11:44:36 AM
most of there senior players Buckley Presto, Clement, Wakelin, Holland, Licura, & a couple of others had injuries last year & it was there second core players doing all the work & funny how they nearly made the grand final
and its 2 flags in 50 years 1958 1990 cause this year aint started yet  :lol

last year it was players like goldsack, pendelbury, thomas and marty clarke that got them where they ended up. there are so many sides like the pies though

Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: Tigermonk on March 10, 2008, 02:55:35 PM
most of there senior players Buckley Presto, Clement, Wakelin, Holland, Licura, & a couple of others had injuries last year & it was there second core players doing all the work & funny how they nearly made the grand final
and its 2 flags in 50 years 1958 1990 cause this year aint started yet  :lol

last year it was players like goldsack, pendelbury, thomas and marty clarke that got them where they ended up. there are so many sides like the pies though



thats right your very correct  :clapping :clapping but you try telling that too others on here they just dont know when there wrong
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: Little Jackie on March 10, 2008, 03:05:41 PM
Goldsack( Age 20) Pendelbury( Just turned 20), Thomas( Age 20), Clarke(( age 20), , throw in young Travis Cloke.( just turned 21).

Wonder why David Cloke didnt want his son to go to Punt Road. :o

Toovey ( age 20) goes alright as well.

Now, where are the RFC young players.

 I Accept Foley and Deledio

Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: Tiger Tragic on March 10, 2008, 03:23:17 PM
Goldsack( Age 20) Pendelbury( Just turned 20), Thomas( Age 20), Clarke(( age 20), , throw in young Travis Cloke.( just turned 21).

Wonder why David Cloke didnt want his son to go to Punt Road. :o

Toovey ( age 20) goes alright as well.

Now, where are the RFC young players.

 I Accept Foley and Deledio

Goldsack - solid 2007, let's see him back it up.  At the moment, he's no better than Raines at end of 2006.

Pendelbury - gun

Thomas - good player but not without flaws

Clarke - see Goldsack...can he cope with the physical pressure that will come his way?

Cloke - see Thomas

Toovey - surely you jest?
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: Little Jackie on March 10, 2008, 03:32:38 PM
Goldsack not better than Raines, ?? :o :o Where have you been !
Goldsack 191cm, can play key position. Raines 184cm

Raines had terrible year last year, crunch year for the ""Matrix man""
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: Little Jackie on March 10, 2008, 03:34:36 PM
Goldsack( Age 20) Pendelbury( Just turned 20), Thomas( Age 20), Clarke(( age 20), , throw in young Travis Cloke.( just turned 21).

Wonder why David Cloke didnt want his son to go to Punt Road. :o

Toovey ( age 20) goes alright as well.

Now, where are the RFC young players.

 I Accept Foley and Deledio

Goldsack - solid 2007, let's see him back it up.  At the moment, he's no better than Raines at end of 2006.

Pendelbury - gun

Thomas - good player but not without flaws

Clarke - see Goldsack...can he cope with the physical pressure that will come his way?

Cloke - see Thomas

Toovey - surely you jest?

Someone will correct me if I am wrong but didnt Travis Cloke win the Collingwood Best and Fairest ??? Or at least placed ?

Thomas is an absolute gun.
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: itsintheblood on March 10, 2008, 03:43:17 PM
Fine Tune? Don't make me laugh. We need a major overhaul......again.


Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: Tiger Tragic on March 10, 2008, 03:44:08 PM
Goldsack not better than Raines, ?? :o :o Where have you been !
Goldsack 191cm, can play key position. Raines 184cm

Raines had terrible year last year, crunch year for the ""Matrix man""

End of 2006, Raines was coming off a second place in the Rising Star, in 2007 Goldsack didn't even place in the rising star.  Since 2006, teams have worked out Raines' weaknesses, it remains to be seen whether the same happens to Goldsack.  But I've seen enough one year wonders not to annoint Goldsack as an elite player.  I wasn't comparing them as players, just their status in the game after a break-out year.
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: Little Jackie on March 10, 2008, 03:52:10 PM
Can tell you that Thomas and Cloke can come to Punt Road anytime they want.
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: Tigermonk on March 10, 2008, 04:20:56 PM
yeah Cloke won skunks B&F
Thomas is a gun  :thumbsup
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: Tigermonk on March 10, 2008, 04:23:25 PM
l would have got Jason Cloke just to help out in the backline as a last pick
l reckon he would grab his next chance his mid 20s l think
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: Ox on March 10, 2008, 04:31:29 PM
Fine Tune? Don't make me laugh. We need a major overhaul......again.




rollin.

welcome ol' friend

Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: mightytiges on March 10, 2008, 05:14:36 PM
Wonder why David Cloke didnt want his son to go to Punt Road. :o
Because the Pies lied to dopey Damir. Told him they wanted all 3 brothers and then as soon as they got their hands on Travis dumped the eldest two. Damir then comes out and says they should go to Richmond  ::).

In any case there are 22 players that make up a footy side. Only 5 youngsters means they are surrounded by 17 senior players. Clement, Buckley and Wakelin played in that PF btw. They were missing Fraser and Ben Johnson.

Now, where are the RFC young players.

 I Accept Foley and Deledio
Half the team every week were young players. Btw our "dud" youngsters flogged their "superstar" youngsters. Oh I forgot the Pie youngsters were "tired" according to the media  ::).
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: WilliamPowell on March 10, 2008, 05:48:07 PM
Thomas is a gun  :thumbsup

 :nope :nope :nope

As long as he doesn't have to win the contested footy

Have a look at the Pies game agaisnt the Crows in Dubai and look for him pulling out of a contest and not chasing his opponent. Young Thomas isn't big on defensive pressure.  ::)

But Oh yeah I forgot it was a praccy game so we can't read too much into that.

Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: Little Jackie on March 10, 2008, 06:10:28 PM
Thomas is a gun  :thumbsup

 :nope :nope :nope

As long as he doesn't have to win the contested footy

Have a look at the Pies game agaisnt the Crows in Dubai and look for him pulling out of a contest and not chasing his opponent. Young Thomas isn't big on defensive pressure.  ::)

But Oh yeah I forgot it was a praccy game so we can't read too much into that.



Dont talk about defensive pressure. we just signed up some clown for $1,000,000 over 3 years for biggest ""zone off"'player the AFL has ever seen :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead.
he is the most unaccountable footballer EVER seen is Jordon McMahon.
cause terry says he is ok, oh he must be ok, thats why he played a large percentage of games at Werribee last year, oh please!
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: Tigermonk on March 10, 2008, 08:54:33 PM
Thomas is a gun  :thumbsup

 :nope :nope :nope

As long as he doesn't have to win the contested footy

Have a look at the Pies game agaisnt the Crows in Dubai and look for him pulling out of a contest and not chasing his opponent. Young Thomas isn't big on defensive pressure.  ::)

But Oh yeah I forgot it was a praccy game so we can't read too much into that.



if you watched the game & listened to it properly most of the team was down with gastro in Dubai thats why they were so flat
even the commentators mentioned that  :rollin
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: Tigermonk on March 10, 2008, 08:56:34 PM

he is the most unaccountable footballer EVER seen is Jordon McMahon.
cause terry says he is ok, oh he must be ok, thats why he played a large percentage of games at Werribee last year, oh please!

we have to have a weekly thread for him see if his worthy of his payments
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: Little Jackie on March 10, 2008, 09:01:29 PM
Wonder why David Cloke didnt want his son to go to Punt Road. :o
Because the Pies lied to dopey Damir. Told him they wanted all 3 brothers and then as soon as they got their hands on Travis dumped the eldest two. Damir then comes out and says they should go to Richmond  ::).

In any case there are 22 players that make up a footy side. Only 5 youngsters means they are surrounded by 17 senior players. Clement, Buckley and Wakelin played in that PF btw. They were missing Fraser and Ben Johnson.

Now, where are the RFC young players.

 I Accept Foley and Deledio
Half the team every week were young players. Btw our "dud" youngsters flogged their "superstar" youngsters. Oh I forgot the Pie youngsters were "tired" according to the media  ::).

You are so ""one-eyed"" its not funny
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: Moi on March 10, 2008, 09:22:52 PM
You are so ""one-eyed"" its not funny
Unlike some, at least you're in no doubt which club MT supports  :thumbsup
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: Tigermonk on March 10, 2008, 09:24:01 PM
it just cant get over the jealousy of Collingwood doing much better then the tigers
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: Ox on March 10, 2008, 09:26:03 PM
it just cant get over the jealousy of Collingwood doing much better then the tigers


u need to.
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: Tigermonk on March 10, 2008, 09:33:24 PM
not likely  ;D
l'm starting to like them thats why l got a membership  :thumbsup
l really like watching Thomas & Pendlebury with there skills

and before you start on the membership tag l got it for a reason
l support football in general & its easy for me when with the family on outings not that l have to give a reason anyway
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: Little Jackie on March 10, 2008, 09:38:55 PM
not likely  ;D
l'm starting to like them thats why l got a membership  :thumbsup
l really like watching Thomas & Pendlebury with there skills

and before you start on the membership tag l got it for a reason
l support football in general & its easy for me when with the family on outings not that l have to give a reason anyway


You know whats funny, if there is game on at the dome on a sunday afternoon, i usually go down and have a look, watched the kangas a far bit last year, good team to watch, at least they have a "" red hot go"unlike some teams ;)
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: Little Jackie on March 10, 2008, 09:41:39 PM
You are so ""one-eyed"" its not funny
Unlike some, at least you're in no doubt which club MT supports  :thumbsup

You cannot blame David Cloke for not wanting his kids to go to a good club,
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: Moi on March 10, 2008, 09:46:10 PM
You are so ""one-eyed"" its not funny
Unlike some, at least you're in no doubt which club MT supports  :thumbsup

You cannot blame David Cloke for not wanting his kids to go to a good club,
Couldn't care less what he does lol
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: Tigermonk on March 10, 2008, 09:47:25 PM
we attend many different games every year
like watching Adelaide or Essendon when Hird was playing  melbourne or hawthorn  Freo games
if a club had alot of players out if they were playing Richmond or not l wouldnot attend the game & go watch something else cause half teams would cream us still  :rollin
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: Little Jackie on March 10, 2008, 09:56:59 PM
You are so ""one-eyed"" its not funny
Unlike some, at least you're in no doubt which club MT supports  :thumbsup

You cannot blame David Cloke for not wanting his kids to go to a good club,
Couldn't care less what he does lol


Is that right, I reckon you would of been cheering him  in the 1980 GF, and clapping him off the ground when he came back to Richmond and kicked 8-9 in his last game,  ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: Tigermonk on March 10, 2008, 10:00:59 PM
oh no Richmond supporter could denie that  :thumbsup  :rollin
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: Tigermonk on March 10, 2008, 10:03:36 PM
Clokey could coach also
l think he won a few flags with a Canberra club Anslie
correct me if l'm wrong
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: tigersalive on March 10, 2008, 10:14:22 PM
Too say its just a NAB game is the lameless excuse of all time.
We cant win any game, we struggle for membership.
Can tell you that they had a real red hot go against the saints.
We have a losing culture mentality and to say its only a nab cup game just shows why the tiges are on the bottom.


Big difference between the tops clubs and the losers, as Geelong showed on friday nite, every opportunity to squash opposition teams, jsut squash them


*Cough* Paul Roos *cough*

He doesnt give a toss about the NAB cup, hasnt one a round 1 game sinces he's been coach yes?

And led the Swans to 2 Grand Finals and 1 Premiership.

Yes I totally see your point.   :shh
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: mightytiges on March 10, 2008, 11:09:15 PM
You are so ""one-eyed"" its not funny
;D

We're all biased in some way. It's football.

btw thanks Moi  :cheers. No doubt who you support either  :thumbsup  :gotigers.

You know whats funny, if there is game on at the dome on a sunday afternoon, i usually go down and have a look, watched the kangas a far bit last year, good team to watch, at least they have a "" red hot go"unlike some teams ;)
Did you watch the Roos have a "red hot go" against Geelong and Port ;). How about in 2006. They last year were a lot like us in 2001. Better than the mediocre/crap sides but daylight behind the top sides.
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: Little Jackie on March 11, 2008, 08:04:45 AM
Roos team aint on the bottom ::)
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: tigersalive on March 11, 2008, 09:06:31 AM
Roos team aint on the bottom ::)

Yeah, thats my point and they've never let NAB Cup performances bother them, to them "it's only the NAB cup" but they dont have a losing culture.  :whistle
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: Little Jackie on March 11, 2008, 12:30:03 PM
and we do, thats for sure
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: Little Jackie on March 11, 2008, 12:30:56 PM
You are so ""one-eyed"" its not funny
;D

We're all biased in some way. It's football.

btw thanks Moi  :cheers. No doubt who you support either  :thumbsup  :gotigers.

You know whats funny, if there is game on at the dome on a sunday afternoon, i usually go down and have a look, watched the kangas a far bit last year, good team to watch, at least they have a "" red hot go"unlike some teams ;)
Did you watch the Roos have a "red hot go" against Geelong and Port ;). How about in 2006. They last year were a lot like us in 2001. Better than the mediocre/crap sides but daylight behind the top sides.


Can tell you they are great to watch and play a good brand of footy
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: tigersalive on March 11, 2008, 12:34:35 PM
You are so ""one-eyed"" its not funny
Unlike some, at least you're in no doubt which club MT supports  :thumbsup

You cannot blame David Cloke for not wanting his kids to go to a good club,
Couldn't care less what he does lol


Is that right, I reckon you would of been cheering him  in the 1980 GF, and clapping him off the ground when he came back to Richmond and kicked 8-9 in his last game,  ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

Did I miss the change in the dictionary when did and does were merged to have the same meaning?

 :shh
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: WilliamPowell on March 11, 2008, 01:37:12 PM

if you watched the game & listened to it properly most of the team was down with gastro in Dubai thats why they were so flat
even the commentators mentioned that  :rollin

Yeah well aware of that  :lol :lol but you take the field you're fit to play.. heaven forbid if we used the same excuse ::)

Have a look at the Tigers -v- Pies last year ...

Thomas is like lightening when he has the ball but when he should have chased Tivendale he didn't  :thumbsup



Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: Tigermonk on March 11, 2008, 02:38:25 PM

if you watched the game & listened to it properly most of the team was down with gastro in Dubai thats why they were so flat
even the commentators mentioned that  :rollin

Yeah well aware of that  :lol :lol but you take the field you're fit to play.. heaven forbid if we used the same excuse ::)

Have a look at the Tigers -v- Pies last year ...

Thomas is like lightening when he has the ball but when he should have chased Tivendale he didn't  :thumbsup





there got no choice but to field the team with all the money that was put into holding the game & TV rights & Sponsors it would be a disaster not to have them take the field anyway

l was at both games getting well looked after as normal  :thumbsup we looked good in the first game ready for a win & got a humilated in defeat the worst lose l ever felt for years
The second game we won ( UP JOFFAs AHOLE) which was great but as l have posted before they were missing players but l'm not getting into that again we been through all this before about Richmond & Collingwood

Richmond vs Collingwood in Round 3 with full teams will judge the debate there will be no excuses & if you denie Thomas aint a class footballer then you must be denile
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: Little Jackie on March 11, 2008, 03:35:58 PM
Thomas can come to punt road anyday he wants, an absolute gun
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: wayne again on March 11, 2008, 03:40:49 PM
 Well our problems are now solved Terry has realised that fine tunning is needed. :clapping :clapping :clapping :bow :bow :bow :thumbsup
  What a champion coach. :banghead
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: wayne again on March 11, 2008, 03:43:54 PM
Wallace out Grant Thomas in.
What we need is a good coach like Thomas actions speak louder tghan words.
 :o
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: Moi on March 11, 2008, 04:09:46 PM
Wallace out Grant Thomas in.
What we need is a good coach like Thomas actions speak louder tghan words.
 :o
We were having some wonderful conversations this arvo but that really put a dampener on the day :rollin
Nice one Wayne  :thumbsup

 :rollin
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: Tigermonk on March 11, 2008, 04:11:04 PM
Good choice for a replacement l like that
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: tigersalive on March 11, 2008, 04:16:57 PM
Lol, this just gets better.

The people who want a coach that can "coach properly" pick the coach whose only strength is player welfare.

Grant Thomas failed at the Saints.  His player welfare work was fantastic but as far as getting the most out of the list he had he failed miserably.  I think he has a future as a figure at a club but will never be coach again.
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: Tigermonk on March 11, 2008, 04:21:38 PM
kick it too me  :clapping
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: tigersalive on March 11, 2008, 04:23:21 PM
Oh look, the resident magpie is so out of ideas he has to copy and paste posts.   :wallywink

Another useless post from tm.  :scream
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: Tigermonk on March 11, 2008, 04:28:13 PM
kick it to me  :rollin
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: tigersalive on March 11, 2008, 04:35:12 PM
Same goes as the other thread T-mac.

I'll leave it to the others and make my way back if it gets back on track from the pissy one liners that add nothing. 
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: wayne again on March 11, 2008, 04:40:53 PM

Sorry Moi for putting a downer on your day, i was just thinking about a replacement coach for Wallace the spin doctor. He has done a good job of changing the list but i believe that is all his done.
 I like Thomas hard no bull no excuse style of coaching just what our new young side might need. ;) :gobdrop
 
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: Moi on March 11, 2008, 04:48:07 PM

Sorry Moi for putting a downer on your day, i was just thinking about a replacement coach for Wallace the spin doctor. He has done a good job of changing the list but i believe that is all his done.
 I like Thomas hard no bull no excuse style of coaching just what our new young side might need. ;) :gobdrop
 
I would have him before Sheeds but Wallace is in the middle of a job.  Be "wrong" to sack him when he's just past half way his rebuild.  Just my opinion.
Each to their own though, and no doubt Wallace will be under lots of pressure this year.
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: Tigermonk on March 11, 2008, 04:49:01 PM
Thats right Wayne
anybody can change a list
but can he control his staff to get this list to perform
he couldnot get the old list to change simple skill errors
the new list is showing the same skill errors & bad decision making
whos fault is that ??? 
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: tigersalive on March 11, 2008, 04:49:32 PM

Sorry Moi for putting a downer on your day, i was just thinking about a replacement coach for Wallace the spin doctor. He has done a good job of changing the list but i believe that is all his done.
 I like Thomas hard no bull no excuse style of coaching just what our new young side might need. ;) :gobdrop
 

Hey look it's back on topic.  :clapping


No doubt his no bull style was good Wayne but I dont think he's coaching material.  

Player development/welfare position I'd say would suit rather than coach.  Thoughts?


But I think right now, considering we are 0 games through the H&A season its a bit early to consider new coaches. ;)

Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: Tigermonk on March 11, 2008, 04:51:25 PM

I would have him before Sheeds but Wallace is in the middle of a job.  Be "wrong" to sack him when he's just past half way his rebuild.  Just my opinion.
Each to their own though, and no doubt Wallace will be under lots of pressure this year.


well we all  :pray that Wallace will prove us wrong & l hope his does otherwise l may have to join the magpies not  :lol
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: Moi on March 11, 2008, 04:55:46 PM

I would have him before Sheeds but Wallace is in the middle of a job.  Be "wrong" to sack him when he's just past half way his rebuild.  Just my opinion.
Each to their own though, and no doubt Wallace will be under lots of pressure this year.


well we all  :pray that Wallace will prove us wrong & l hope his does otherwise l may have to join the magpies not  :lol
Tiger success is all that most people want.  I say most  ;)
I couldn't care less if I ever had to eat humble pie if we won a premiership.
Even if it was with Sheeds coaching us  :rollin
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: Tigermonk on March 11, 2008, 05:14:09 PM
l like to see a few more premierships with my kids before l die but success is not all that l'm after
the fact of going to a Richmond game having a chance to win a game & that its league standards
l'm tired of ugly football & floggings or losing games after owning the side all day
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: Little Jackie on March 11, 2008, 07:45:45 PM

I would have him before Sheeds but Wallace is in the middle of a job.  Be "wrong" to sack him when he's just past half way his rebuild.  Just my opinion.
Each to their own though, and no doubt Wallace will be under lots of pressure this year.


well we all  :pray that Wallace will prove us wrong & l hope his does otherwise l may have to join the magpies not  :lol
Tiger success is all that most people want.  I say most  ;)
I couldn't care less if I ever had to eat humble pie if we won a premiership.
Even if it was with Sheeds coaching us  :rollin


Might be sooner than you think.
The "" snake oil"" salesman will be on his last legs by round 8
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: Francois Jackson on March 11, 2008, 08:07:46 PM
believe u me jack, im counting down the days before terry and miller walk off the g hand in hand for the last time.
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: Little Jackie on March 11, 2008, 08:17:21 PM
I will make you laugh Daniel. I went to the saints V Richmond Nab cup game, got there fairly early, daughter was excited about going to the see the tiges, boy was she disappointed, lol
Anyway, watched Greg Miller walking the boundary line about 20 mins before the game shaking hands with supporters , does he think he has reached Celebrity status ::) ::) ::) ::)     oh dear.
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: Moi on March 11, 2008, 08:30:04 PM
I will make you laugh Daniel. I went to the saints V Richmond Nab cup game, got there fairly early, daughter was excited about going to the see the tiges, boy was she disappointed, lol
Anyway, watched Greg Miller walking the boundary line about 20 mins before the game shaking hands with supporters , does he think he has reached Celebrity status ::) ::) ::) ::)     oh dear.
Tsk tsk who does he think he is lol  ::)
Off with his head  :lol
 :rollin
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: rogerd3 on March 11, 2008, 08:31:18 PM
Thomas can come to punt road anyday he wants, an absolute gun

 :lol, geez you are a crack up. :lol
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: rogerd3 on March 11, 2008, 08:34:10 PM

I would have him before Sheeds but Wallace is in the middle of a job.  Be "wrong" to sack him when he's just past half way his rebuild.  Just my opinion.
Each to their own though, and no doubt Wallace will be under lots of pressure this year.


well we all  :pray that Wallace will prove us wrong & l hope his does otherwise l may have to join the magpies not  :lol
Tiger success is all that most people want.  I say most  ;)
I couldn't care less if I ever had to eat humble pie if we won a premiership.
Even if it was with Sheeds coaching us  :rollin


Might be sooner than you think.
The "" snake oil"" salesman will be on his last legs by round 8


now what happened in 07, where has that thread gone. :whistle
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: Ox on March 11, 2008, 08:37:36 PM
I will make you laugh Daniel. I went to the saints V Richmond Nab cup game, got there fairly early, daughter was excited about going to the see the tiges, boy was she disappointed, lol
Anyway, watched Greg Miller walking the boundary line about 20 mins before the game shaking hands with supporters , does he think he has reached Celebrity status ::) ::) ::) ::)     oh dear.

too petty jak.
it's called good pr.
the punters love it and u are more than aware of that ::)
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: Little Jackie on March 11, 2008, 09:08:19 PM
I know the punters love it but please, we are just coming offa wooden spoon, they will be kissing babies next ::)
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: Ramps on March 11, 2008, 10:59:58 PM
Who'll be coaching Richmond by end 2008 Jacko?

I personally see Wallace lasting till the end of 2008 just so that we can get the early picks.
Title: Re: We need to fine-tune: Wallace
Post by: Little Jackie on March 12, 2008, 06:34:43 AM
Who'll be coaching Richmond by end 2008 Jacko?

I personally see Wallace lasting till the end of 2008 just so that we can get the early picks.

I dont see Wallace lasting till the end of the year.
Most people here have very short memories. Turn back the hands of time and think of the bulldogs. -he compeleted gutted the place-
Would think a few solid losses early in the year and things will happen.
As for coaching, you might find a "" joint venture""