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Title: Sugar in strife doing a Fev / Out of North game plus $5,000 fine
Post by: mightytiges on March 23, 2008, 06:03:33 PM
There was a rumour on BF this morning but it's been confirmed on Ch 7 news just now. What an idiot   :banghead.

Quote
At 0200hrs this morning Richmond captain Kane Johnston was arrested for being drunk in a public place and urinating on the St Kilda Rd police station. He was lodged at the Melbourne Custody Centre where he remained for a period of 4 hrs.

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10405892&postcount=4
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: Moi on March 23, 2008, 06:08:35 PM
I thought they weren't going to clubs and stuff.
Why was he drunk?
I'm worried he aint the full quid this bloke.
Sack him  :help
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: Ox on March 23, 2008, 06:11:08 PM
SACK THE effEN  BOGAN.
THIS IS A DISGRACE NOT TO MENTION HIGHLY EMBARASSING TO THE CLUB.
And yes moi - its obvious he is damged goods.

FHO ASAP


edited: language
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: Moi on March 23, 2008, 06:12:30 PM
Sacks players at B&Fs
Kicks the wrong way in games
Urinates outside a cop shop

 :rollin

FHO!
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: rogerd3 on March 23, 2008, 06:13:47 PM
lets see if we as a club have the fortitude to do what the bloos didnt. :whistle
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: jezza on March 23, 2008, 06:15:51 PM
Hard to fathom how someone could do something so stupid given recent events.
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: Ox on March 23, 2008, 06:17:56 PM
This is great news!!! :gotigers :gotigers :gotigers :gotigers

HO FHO FHO FHO FHO FHO

He's such a weak prick he will probably rettire
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: tigersalive on March 23, 2008, 06:18:12 PM
3 weeks at least.  Have to make him an example.
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: mightytiges on March 23, 2008, 06:18:41 PM
Yep we can't be seen to be soft on this just as an example to our young list. Sugar will have to stand down out of th leadership group and be suspended by the club.

Well we'll now get what a number of supporters wanted  - a new captain.
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: Ox on March 23, 2008, 06:22:04 PM
it's no wonder we are sh it with a guy like him as our onfield leader.
As if his performance wasnt bad enough
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: jezza on March 23, 2008, 06:24:36 PM
it's no wonder we are sh it with a guy like him as our onfield leader.
As if his performance wasnt bad enough

Miss Thursday?
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: {X} on March 23, 2008, 06:26:28 PM
just goes to show how i have been right about him all along, the biggest dumb c#$@ ever to were a tiger jumper let alone be a captain.

this is the best chance the tigers can stand up , show the club true direction and leadership by sacking this tool !

dont take the fev line and fine him give him a chance bla bla bla, sack him as captain and suspend him for the rest of the season so he is forced to quit

ps the club should sue that leadership assessment mob that gave sugar the captaincy endorcement, just shows they had no f idea.

but seriously, how dumb must sugar be to do this . esp after the fev incident and after our best start to a season we have had in many yrs.
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: {X} on March 23, 2008, 06:27:47 PM
it's no wonder we are sh it with a guy like him as our onfield leader.
As if his performance wasnt bad enough

Miss Thursday?

jezza he wasnt that good on thursday, did a couple of nice things but as a whole , his disposal and decision were poor, just like raines
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: Ox on March 23, 2008, 06:36:46 PM
it's no wonder we are sh it with a guy like him as our onfield leader.
As if his performance wasnt bad enough

Miss Thursday?

got to see it afew hours ago.
You call that a captains game ?
JFC!
Slow,Slow and Slow in every aspect of modern football.
Mind,body,movement,cant handle the situations he backs himself into and more than usualyy,disposes of the ball and puts one of our guys under inescapable pressure...then goes and gets lind so he can pee on the side of a cop shop a week after fev have been dragged over the coals.

He probably got caught because he was peeing so slow..............loser







just
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: bluey_21 on March 23, 2008, 06:38:02 PM
needs to step down from the captaincy and deserves suspension.
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: mightytiges on March 23, 2008, 06:43:12 PM
3 weeks at least.  Have to make him an example.
Yep. It's worse because he's captain and he's almost 30. Like Fev we're not talking about kids. What goes through these idiotic footballers' heads  ???. If you can't control your drinking then there's a simple solution - don't drink  :banghead.
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: Ox on March 23, 2008, 06:46:06 PM
3 weeks at least.  Have to make him an example.
Yep. It's worse because he's captain and he's almost 30. Like Fev we're not talking about kids. What goes through these idiotic footballers' heads  ???. If you can't control your drinking then there's a simple solution - don't drink  :banghead.

they think they're better than everyone else mate.
its nothing new.
They get on the pee and get reated like royalty
and are so stupid they believe it.
Ashame he couldnt play football like fev
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: rogerd3 on March 23, 2008, 06:49:35 PM
its important we kill this story straight away by having Kane front the media tomorrow, suspend or whatever has to be done so we can get onto the next round.

very disappointing, he has let his teammates down and the RFC, as leader he needs to setting the example unfortunately this isnt the right way of going about it. >:(

Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: Little Jackie on March 23, 2008, 06:50:24 PM
Players had a ""pack"" that they werent going to get on the drink or visit nightclubs during the year. Club wins one game and look what happens ::)
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: Beren on March 23, 2008, 06:55:07 PM
Um it was a "pact".


Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: Little Jackie on March 23, 2008, 06:55:17 PM
I thought they weren't going to clubs and stuff.
Why was he drunk?
I'm worried he aint the full quid this bloke.
Sack him  :help

Could of told you Moi 3 years ago he was a clown, only a matter of time before something happened ;)
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: rogerd3 on March 23, 2008, 06:58:22 PM
I thought they weren't going to clubs and stuff.
Why was he drunk?
I'm worried he aint the full quid this bloke.
Sack him  :help

Could of told you Moi 3 years ago he was a clown, only a matter of time before something happened ;)
Should do more than alcohol test on him ;)

id be careful that could easy become libelous Jackstar, people do read these web sites.
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: Ox on March 23, 2008, 06:59:12 PM
I thought they weren't going to clubs and stuff.
Why was he drunk?
I'm worried he aint the full quid this bloke.
Sack him  :help

Could of told you Moi 3 years ago he was a clown, only a matter of time before something happened ;)
Should do more than alcohol test on him ;)

bloody oath jak.
FUGHIM.

I demand a drug test!!!
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: Little Jackie on March 23, 2008, 06:59:35 PM
I thought they weren't going to clubs and stuff.
Why was he drunk?
I'm worried he aint the full quid this bloke.
Sack him  :help

Could of told you Moi 3 years ago he was a clown, only a matter of time before something happened ;)
Should do more than alcohol test on him ;)

id be careful that could easy become libelous Jackstar, people do read these web sites.

An IQ test ;)
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: one-eyed on March 23, 2008, 07:10:06 PM
Let's stick to the evidence provided and not make other claims. We don't want the OER sued.
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: Ox on March 23, 2008, 07:10:46 PM
like i said - i know for a fact.
If the club want me to prove it....i would love to.
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: Ox on March 23, 2008, 07:12:45 PM
if they try to sue u maTe,jst countersue for false accusations.
Its true

Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: one-eyed on March 23, 2008, 07:15:54 PM
Safer for the site for everyone to stick to what is in the public domain. Sugar is in enough trouble based soley on what he's been arrested for. 
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: Little Jackie on March 23, 2008, 07:17:14 PM
Cant wait to hear his lame excuse
eg. Partners Birthday
     Kanes Birthday
     The dog had pups
     Celebrating Easter
     I actually played a good game for once :lol

ETC ETC
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: one-eyed on March 23, 2008, 07:20:18 PM
The quote on the news was "Johnson said he was disturbed by his own behaviour".
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: {X} on March 23, 2008, 07:22:09 PM
The quote on the news was "Johnson said he was disturbed by his own behaviour".

who cares what he thinks , he stuffed up and must step down
Title: Tigers AFL skipper in damaging leak (The Age)
Post by: one-eyed on March 23, 2008, 07:23:43 PM
Tigers AFL skipper in damaging leak
March 23, 2008 - 6:36PM

Richmond captain Kane Johnson has been arrested over an incident in which he was caught urinating in public.

The Tigers have confirmed Johnson was charged with being drunk in a public place, after urinating outside a St Kilda Road police complex in Melbourne's inner east in the early hours of Sunday morning.

Club officials were meeting to discuss the incident, with a penalty for the skipper yet to be decided.

Stunningly, Johnson's indiscretion came just a week after a similar act by Carlton star forward Brendan Fevola, which resulted in him being sanctioned by his club.

Fevola was spared a suspension by the Blues for urinating outside a nightclub and played in Carlton's opening round loss to the Tigers.

But he was fined $10,000, stood down from the club's leadership group, ordered to undergo counselling and warned that another similar incident in the future would result in his sacking.

http://news.theage.com.au/tigers-afl-skipper-in-damaging-leak/20080323-213k.html
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: Hellenic Tiger on March 23, 2008, 07:29:58 PM
Bye Bye Captaincy
Bye Bye Leadership Group
Bye Bye Undefeated Record for the club.
In a week when we let our footy do the talking for the right reasons, then we have a team who persists with ugly football Johnnos 300th at the Dogs , Hawks 100+ victory we have still contrived a way to have ourselves on the back pages of the paper for all the wrong reasons.
Make an examole of him.
Be firm make sure the hammer of justice crushes him.
Apalling Disgusting Stupid Disgraceful Insipid Mindboggling :banghead
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: Ox on March 23, 2008, 07:30:49 PM
The quote on the news was "Johnson said he was disturbed by his own behaviour".


karma.

We've all been disturbed by his behaviour for years now.
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: one-eyed on March 23, 2008, 07:31:43 PM
Cant wait to hear his lame excuse

     Kanes Birthday

The news said this one. His 30th Birthday was 15th March. The Ides of March- Et tu Sugar  :wallywink.
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: Ox on March 23, 2008, 07:34:32 PM
what a piz weak excuse.



How typical and revealing of the true person he is  :chuck :chuck :chuck
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: Little Jackie on March 23, 2008, 07:38:13 PM
The man is an idiot.
I was the B & F and few years ago and I was waiting for a taxi outside the Plaza Ballroom, hailed down and was just about to open the door for my wife and I to jump in. and Captain Courageous barges in and says this is mine, I looked at him and said who do you think you are?
He backed right off.   My wife commented when in the cab what behind hole. She doesnt follow footy either. She was right
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: Ox on March 23, 2008, 07:42:40 PM
The man is an idiot.
I was the B & F and few years ago and I was waiting for a taxi outside the Plaza Ballroom, hailed down and was just about to open the door for my wife and I to jump in. and Captain Courageous barges in and says this is mine, I looked at him and said who do you think you are?
He backed right off.   My wife commented when in the cab what behind hole. She doesnt follow footy either. She was right

effen dog

u musta wanted to smash him.
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: mightytiges on March 23, 2008, 07:43:13 PM
Eddie on SEN saying he doesn't want to take the high moral ground but what do you do. Well if Sugar was at the Pies it would be nothing  ::).



Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: jezza on March 23, 2008, 07:50:39 PM
got to see it afew hours ago.
You call that a captains game ?
JFC!
Slow,Slow and Slow in every aspect of modern football.
Mind,body,movement,cant handle the situations he backs himself into and more than usualyy,disposes of the ball and puts one of our guys under inescapable pressure...then goes and gets lind so he can pee on the side of a cop shop a week after fev have been dragged over the coals.

He probably got caught because he was peeing so slow..............loser







just

What he has done is disgraceful and he deserves to lose the captaincy, but your comments are as laughable as your personal vendetta against him.
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: rogerd3 on March 23, 2008, 07:56:25 PM
got to see it afew hours ago.
You call that a captains game ?
JFC!
Slow,Slow and Slow in every aspect of modern football.
Mind,body,movement,cant handle the situations he backs himself into and more than usualyy,disposes of the ball and puts one of our guys under inescapable pressure...then goes and gets lind so he can pee on the side of a cop shop a week after fev have been dragged over the coals.

He probably got caught because he was peeing so slow..............loser







just

What he has done is disgraceful and he deserves to lose the captaincy, but your comments are as laughable as your personal vendetta against him.


mmm somehow i think you are right there Jezza, someone seems to be taking it to the next level.

Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: rogerd3 on March 23, 2008, 07:58:31 PM
what is even as disappointing some of our guys were really on juice over the weekend, maybe the "pact" was withdrawn for the long weekend.

interesting that if they cant keep a "pact" how can they adhere to team structures.
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: Little Jackie on March 23, 2008, 08:00:01 PM
I beleive that todays incident is only a true indication of where our club is that.
I have said all along that I have no time for Wallet or the way the club as a football indentity conducts its business.( Footy wise)
Its my opinion and I have seen first hand,
The footy side is so unprofessional , there is a reason that we arent successfull you know
For the Captain of an elite sporting club to be charged is a disgrace.
Whats happened to the curfews etc.
Terry would of  or should of instilled this with all the players
If the captain is doing this, what are the other players up to in there spare time  ::)
Leadership in any organisation comes form the top, not the bottom.
Todays incident doesnt come as a surprise to me.
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: Ox on March 23, 2008, 08:00:24 PM
if he was half the man u say he is I would be wrong....but he's not
and he represents the rfc because he somehow became captain.
Not good enough.
Personal - yep!
Waraanted ? -Yes again.

I have a personal vendetta against a guy who
carried on like this in public and u disappear up ur own ars
and crap on about how it's laughable.
Were u holding his pee pee at the time ?
u have the personal vendetta tiger.
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: Little Jackie on March 23, 2008, 08:01:39 PM
what is even as disappointing some of our guys were really on juice over the weekend, maybe the "pact" was withdrawn for the long weekend.

interesting that if they cant keep a "pact" how can they adhere to team structures.

Roger, we finally agree :thumbsup
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: Fishfinger on March 23, 2008, 08:04:08 PM
what is even as disappointing some of our guys were really on juice over the weekend, maybe the "pact" was withdrawn for the long weekend.

interesting that if they cant keep a "pact" how can they adhere to team structures.
Who is "they"?
I've only seen Johnson's name mentioned up to now.
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: mightytiges on March 23, 2008, 08:04:34 PM
they think they're better than everyone else mate.
its nothing new.
They get on the pee and get reated like royalty
and are so stupid they believe it.
Sadly true for many of them (role models hardly lol) although I've never heard a bad word said about Richo.

its important we kill this story straight away by having Kane front the media tomorrow, suspend or whatever has to be done so we can get onto the next round.

very disappointing, he has let his teammates down and the RFC, as leader he needs to setting the example unfortunately this isnt the right way of going about it. >:(


Sugar should be condemned as it's his own stupid fault but the media wolves would have had a field day bagging the whole club down to the bootstudder if it happened last week or had we lost.

This is going to knock Melbourne losing by over 100 points off the front and back pages  :banghead.
Title: Johnson arrested over drunken incident (ABC)
Post by: one-eyed on March 23, 2008, 08:14:06 PM
Tigers' Johnson arrested over drunken incident
Posted 23 minutes ago

 Victorian police have charged Richmond captain Kane Johnson with urinating in public, a week after Carlton forward Brendan Fevola was sanctioned by his club for the same offence.

Police allege Johnson urinated on a window outside the St Kilda Road Police Complex about 2.00 am AEDT on Sunday.

Johnson has also been charged with being drunk in a public place and offensive behaviour, and is scheduled to appear in court next month.

Fevola was fined $10,000 by the Blues and dropped from the club's leadership group.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/03/23/2197094.htm?section=sport
Title: Sugar out of North game plus a $5,000 fine
Post by: mightytiges on March 23, 2008, 08:48:53 PM
Self imposed suspension - will miss the North game. Fined by the club $5,000.


Police complex is next door to his home. Was having his 30th birthday party. Deeply regrets his actions and said facing up to his teammates at training will be the hardest thing he'll ever have to do. Has suspended himself according to the club. Takes full responsible. Accepts the $5,000 fine from the club. Plans to reflect on his actions and educate kids of poor behaviour like this. Miller said it's completely out of character and an aberation.

Press conference tomorrow. Training at 9am.
Title: Re: Sugar out of North game plus a $5,000 fine
Post by: Little Jackie on March 23, 2008, 08:51:18 PM
Probably on a contract of say $350,000 a year, $5,000 is a drop in the ocean or a pee in a park ::)
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: Ramps on March 23, 2008, 08:51:40 PM
for mine

its a $10,000 maximum fine
2 weeks suspension and the
loss of the captaincy to either Richardson or Simmonds

any less and we arent serious as a club

peeing up against the police building ffs.  :help
Title: Re: Sugar out of North game plus a $5,000 fine
Post by: Ramps on March 23, 2008, 08:53:07 PM
club should add 1 more game on the suspension + another 5 grand to the fine atleast. I also favor the loss of the captaincy.
Title: Re: Sugar out of North game plus a $5,000 fine
Post by: mightytiges on March 23, 2008, 08:55:42 PM
True Jack but what's the maximum fine the club can impose under the AFLPA's  EBA. It's only $5k or 10k?

The only player I remember getting a bigger fine than $10k was Morrison at Collingwood ($50k) and the Pies had to get special permission from the AFLPA.

Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: WilliamPowell on March 23, 2008, 08:56:27 PM
 :sleep :sleep :sleep

Title: Re: Sugar out of North game plus a $5,000 fine
Post by: Ramps on March 23, 2008, 08:57:27 PM
club cant allow a player to dictate there own penalty its farcical. the club needs to add to the self imposed penalty. Doubling the penalty in cash and games suspension is justified.
Title: Re: Sugar out of North game plus a $5,000 fine
Post by: WilliamPowell on March 23, 2008, 08:58:12 PM
True Jack but what's the maximum fine the club can impose under the AFLPA's  EBA. It's only $5k or 10k?

It's $10k
Title: Re: Sugar out of North game plus a $5,000 fine
Post by: WilliamPowell on March 23, 2008, 09:02:32 PM
Actually the most important thing Knae Johnson must do tomorrow is attend the press conference.

No sneaking in back doors etc like Fev - be a man and face the music, the media and supporters. I see a good crowd being at training tomorrow
Title: Re: Sugar out of North game plus a $5,000 fine
Post by: bluey_21 on March 23, 2008, 09:10:51 PM
No talk about the captaincy MT?
Title: Re: Sugar out of North game plus a $5,000 fine
Post by: Ramps on March 23, 2008, 09:14:56 PM
Well thats one decent change for next week - Johnson (Out) Edwards (In) hopefully. Put Edwards up forward and Deledio back into the midfield.
Title: Re: Sugar out of North game plus a $5,000 fine
Post by: mjs on March 23, 2008, 09:16:19 PM
True Jack but what's the maximum fine the club can impose under the AFLPA's  EBA. It's only $5k or 10k?

It's $10k

I'm pretty sure it's $5000
Title: Re: Sugar out of North game plus a $5,000 fine
Post by: Fishfinger on March 23, 2008, 09:18:43 PM
True Jack but what's the maximum fine the club can impose under the AFLPA's  EBA. It's only $5k or 10k?

It's $10k

I'm pretty sure it's $5000
Calton fined Fevola $10,000.  ;)
Title: Re: Sugar out of North game plus a $5,000 fine
Post by: rogerd3 on March 23, 2008, 09:25:45 PM
Actually the most important thing Knae Johnson must do tomorrow is attend the press conference.

No sneaking in back doors etc like Fev - be a man and face the music, the media and supporters. I see a good crowd being at training tomorrow


spot on WP, he must face the media, its also important that the club has acted swiftly.

We have a game to win next week.
Title: Re: Sugar out of North game plus a $5,000 fine
Post by: mjs on March 23, 2008, 09:28:42 PM
Yes that's correct - Now I'm confused because when Collingwood fined Morrison $20,000 I remember the Players Association getting upset because the maximum fine under EBA was $5000 and they also came out in support of Hawks Brown saying he should only have been fined $5000 - maybe it's first offence $5000?
Title: Re: Sugar out of North game plus a $5,000 fine
Post by: tigersalive on March 23, 2008, 09:28:58 PM
True Jack but what's the maximum fine the club can impose under the AFLPA's  EBA. It's only $5k or 10k?

It's $10k

No Willy, it's $5k first offence, $10k second offence.

I distinctly remember hearing about it last week.
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: rogerd3 on March 23, 2008, 09:30:18 PM
what is even as disappointing some of our guys were really on juice over the weekend, maybe the "pact" was withdrawn for the long weekend.

interesting that if they cant keep a "pact" how can they adhere to team structures.
Who is "they"?
I've only seen Johnson's name mentioned up to now.


there was more than one out celebrating over the last couple of days.
Title: Re: Sugar out of North game plus a $5,000 fine
Post by: WilliamPowell on March 23, 2008, 09:31:10 PM
True Jack but what's the maximum fine the club can impose under the AFLPA's  EBA. It's only $5k or 10k?

It's $10k

No Willy, it's $5k first offence, $10k second offence.

I distinctly remember hearing about it last week.

I stand corrected

 :bow :bow :bow

The Club should fine him $5K and he should double it  ;D

Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: rogerd3 on March 23, 2008, 09:32:00 PM
what is even as disappointing some of our guys were really on juice over the weekend, maybe the "pact" was withdrawn for the long weekend.

interesting that if they cant keep a "pact" how can they adhere to team structures.

Roger, we finally agree :thumbsup

only partly Jackstar, these blokes need to accept the responsibility, mother Wallace and Miller cant be holding their hands.
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: Fishfinger on March 23, 2008, 09:36:34 PM
what is even as disappointing some of our guys were really on juice over the weekend, maybe the "pact" was withdrawn for the long weekend.

interesting that if they cant keep a "pact" how can they adhere to team structures.
Who is "they"?
I've only seen Johnson's name mentioned up to now.


there was more than one out celebrating over the last couple of days.
At a pub or nightclub?

I haven't seen anywhere that they can't celebrate.
Title: Re: Sugar out of North game plus a $5,000 fine
Post by: tigersalive on March 23, 2008, 09:36:45 PM
True Jack but what's the maximum fine the club can impose under the AFLPA's  EBA. It's only $5k or 10k?

It's $10k

No Willy, it's $5k first offence, $10k second offence.

I distinctly remember hearing about it last week.

I stand corrected

 :bow :bow :bow

The Club should fine him $5K and he should double it  ;D


Amen to that and why cant he self-impose such a fine if it's not the club itself but the player imposing the fine.  :shh  Just a thought.


Tried to find it on the AFLPA website but info found to conclusively say either way.
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: richmondrules on March 23, 2008, 10:14:10 PM
Aw!!! F!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Isn't that just typical Fing Richmond. Thanks a lot Johnston. Just when there's a bit of positivity around the place you have to go and do that. HOW BLOODY STUPID ARE YOU!!!! Captain as well. The wooden spoon last year didn't make me nearly as angry as this. I spend the day out having a good time with friends and I come home to find my stupid STUPID STUPID!!!! captain has gone and peeed against a police station.  You do not deserve the captaincy, you do not deserve to wear the yellow and black. I have now lost all respect for you. I don't just feel for the supporters I feel for the young players who may have been able to enjoy being a member of the RFC for a change but now have to deal with this crap. Enough is enough. Time for a new captain, I am sick of being embarrassed by you.
Title: Re: Sugar out of North game plus a $5,000 fine
Post by: tigersalive on March 23, 2008, 10:16:18 PM
Damaging leak gets Tiger skipper banned

March 23, 2008 - 9:43PM

Richmond captain Kane Johnson will be suspended from the club's upcoming match against North Melbourne after being the second AFL player in days caught urinating in public.

In a stunning display of poor judgment, after Carlton star Brendan Fevola was sanctioned for a similar offence last week, Johnson was caught urinating outside a police complex in Melbourne's St Kilda Road.

The incident occurred about 2am (AEDT) Sunday, with Johnson arrested and charged with being drunk in a public place and scheduled to face court on April 22.

Johnson admitted to his own "stupidity" and volunteered to sit out next Sunday's match against the Kangaroos at Telstra Dome as his penalty.

The club accepted that decision and will also fine him $5,000.

Johnson had been celebrating his 30th birthday with family and friends at his own home, which is next to the police complex, before the incident.

"I deeply regret my actions, I'm disappointed that I've let the club, our supporters and my teammates down," Johnson said in a statement.

"As captain, I have preached a message that I've failed to uphold.

"Fronting my teammates at the next training session will be the most difficult time I face in football.

"I take full responsibility for my behaviour and accept the penalty that the club has imposed."

Johnson also volunteered to take up an educational role in the community.

"I have reflected on the stupidity of my actions and plan to educate the community and in particular young kids about the dangers of binge drinking," he said.

Richmond director of football Greg Miller said while Johnson's action was disappointing, it was completely out of character.

Johnson's behaviour is particularly embarrassing for the club given comments made by coach Terry Wallace in the wake of the Fevola episode.

While declining to comment on Fevola last week, Wallace paid tribute to his own leadership group and said his players' behaviour over the off-season had been "exemplary".

Johnson's suspension is at odds with the stance taken by Carlton, with the Blues clearing their star to play in last Thursday night's season-opener against Richmond, after he was caught on camera urinating outside a nightclub last weekend.

But Fevola was fined $10,000, stood down from the club's leadership group, ordered to undergo counselling and warned that another similar incident in the future would result in his sacking.

Melbourne's Brock McLean is another player to have been stood down from his club's leadership group in the pre-season, after several driving misdemeanours.

By his own admission, Johnson was coming off a personally disappointing season in 2007, in which his club finished with the wooden spoon.

His performance against Carlton was a vast improvement on his form for most of last year, with the Tigers' win also a much brighter start, after they failed to win any of their first 11 games in 2007.

But this incident will take some of the gloss off that positive start.

Johnson is a two-time premiership player with Adelaide in 1997-98 and the only player on Richmond's list with premiership experience.

He had been due to play his 100th match for the Tigers on Sunday, after notching 104 games with the Crows, but that milestone will now come against Collingwood the following Sunday.

http://news.realfooty.com.au/damaging-leak-gets-tiger-skipper-banned/20080323-213k.html
Title: Re: Sugar out of North game plus a $5,000 fine
Post by: Son of Dad on March 23, 2008, 10:25:21 PM
is anyone else sick of professional sportsmen doing something stupid, then deciding they should "educate" the community about the dangers of whatever offence/vice they committed.  :banghead

what will be the crux of his message, peeing in front of a police building is baaad kids!! Rather him just face the media, cop a penalty and get on with things. I suppose it is an admirable thing but is almost becoming fashionable. Ok rant over :lol
Title: Re: Sugar out of North game plus a $5,000 fine
Post by: mjs on March 23, 2008, 10:36:41 PM
I was wondering what his court fine would be and found this - I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't get to court if he was basically next door to his home.



"Victoria is the only state in Australia where being drunk in a public place is a criminal offence and can result in arrest and a $100 fine. The all-party Drugs and Crime Prevention Committee inquiry says public drunkenness should be viewed as a health issue and decriminalised. But it says this should only happen once adequate numbers of sobering-up centres have been established."
Title: Re: Sugar out of North game plus a $5,000 fine
Post by: mightytiges on March 23, 2008, 10:41:34 PM
No talk about the captaincy MT?
Nup bluey. I'd take a guess that's what the press conference is for.

I agree with WP. Sugar needs to face the music at the press conference tomorrow.
Title: Re: Sugar out of North game plus a $5,000 fine
Post by: mightytiges on March 23, 2008, 10:46:22 PM
I was wondering what his court fine would be and found this - I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't get to court if he was basically next door to his home.



"Victoria is the only state in Australia where being drunk in a public place is a criminal offence and can result in arrest and a $100 fine. The all-party Drugs and Crime Prevention Committee inquiry says public drunkenness should be viewed as a health issue and decriminalised. But it says this should only happen once adequate numbers of sobering-up centres have been established."

Being a first offence I'd say if Sugar volunteers to do "community work" as has been said he will then the charges will be dropped by the cops and no conviction recorded.
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: mightytiges on March 23, 2008, 11:27:03 PM
for mine

its a $10,000 maximum fine
2 weeks suspension and the
loss of the captaincy to either Richardson or Simmonds

any less and we arent serious as a club

peeing up against the police building ffs.  :help
Agree Ramps and he shouldn't leave the captaincy decision to the club. He should step down tomorrow morning.

As I said in the other thread it's more a concern he got into a such smashed state in the first place during the season. His 30 year old body is already struggling with the toll of 12 years of AFL footy without putting it under extra strain to recover from pumping it full of alcohol. Sure it's harsh but the life of a AFL footballer is one of strict restrictions that Joe Blow in the street doesn't have to abide by. Hence one of the reasons a footballer of Sugar's experience earns $300k per year. As captain you set the example and sadly Sugar would've known and would know the consequences of his actions.
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: Francois Jackson on March 24, 2008, 12:41:47 AM
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

i wonder out of u fruitloops whose going to defend him now.
like ive said all summer the guy is a disgrace and should not be at this team.

i hate to say but i told u say.

good riddons johnson i hope we get rid of u
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: Francois Jackson on March 24, 2008, 12:44:58 AM
I beleive that todays incident is only a true indication of where our club is that.
I have said all along that I have no time for Wallet or the way the club as a football indentity conducts its business.( Footy wise)
Its my opinion and I have seen first hand,
The footy side is so unprofessional , there is a reason that we arent successfull you know
For the Captain of an elite sporting club to be charged is a disgrace.
Whats happened to the curfews etc.
Terry would of  or should of instilled this with all the players
If the captain is doing this, what are the other players up to in there spare time  ::)
Leadership in any organisation comes form the top, not the bottom.
Todays incident doesnt come as a surprise to me.

here here
isome of the comments others made on this forum is coming back to bite them.
such things as who can do a better job that sugar is ringing in my ears.

the guy is a loose cannon and i cant wait to see the back of him
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: Hellenic Tiger on March 24, 2008, 01:32:19 AM
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

i wonder out of u fruitloops whose going to defend him now.
like ive said all summer the guy is a disgrace and should not be at this team.

i hate to say but i told u say.

good riddons johnson i hope we get rid of u

Don't think the club will get rid of him but a maximum fine and a relinquishing of the Captaincy is wholly what they need to do, to be taken seriously.
Kane is so introverted on the field no animosity no emotion no passion just expressionless, came as a real surprise to me. Well here we go again onto the back pages of the paper for all the wrong reasons in a week when we won. This will/could kill us for this weeks game.  :banghead
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: harry bosch on March 24, 2008, 02:04:38 AM
I wouldn't worry about it affecting us for this weeks game(aside from the obvious team change)

We would have to be a pretty soft group of players to let something like this affect us..

As for the people suggesting around the traps he should be sacked that would really paint us into a corner we
could regret down the track..


Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: Mr Magic on March 24, 2008, 02:46:51 AM
 :wallywink Sugar sure knows how to give us all a laugh.

Punishment seems appropriate for an isolated offence.

Stupid sure but also a touch unlucky. Moving on..
Title: Skipper out for match after arrest (The Age)
Post by: one-eyed on March 24, 2008, 03:28:45 AM
Skipper out for match after arrest
Thomas Arup | March 24, 2008

RICHMOND captain Kane Johnson last night banned himself for one match after he was arrested yesterday morning for urinating outside the St Kilda Road police complex.

Johnson will miss the match against North Melbourne, which was to have been his 100th for the club, on Sunday at the MCG.

Johnson admitted to his own "stupidity" and volunteered to sit out Sunday's match as his penalty. The club accepted that decision and will also fine him $5000.

The club announced the penalty last night, in a statement in which Johnson said: "I deeply regret my actions. I am disappointed that I have let the club, our supporters, and my teammates down.

"As captain I have preached a message that I failed to uphold, fronting my teammates at the next training session will be the most difficult time I have faced in football."

Johnson was arrested at 2am yesterday when police observed him urinating outside the St Kilda Road police station. He had been celebrating his 30th birthday and was alone when arrested.

Teammate Nathan Brown said the incident was disappointing, for Johnson and the club.

"It is going to be a tough week for Kane Johnson because he is captain of the football club and he has worked so hard off the field in the last two or three years to present himself as an impeccable person who does everything right," Brown said on radio Triple M.

"The coaches and the board … all know how hard he is working on that. And it's just disappointing. It is probably an error of judgement, probably not the greatest place to take a leak."

Richmond director of football operations Greg Miller said last night: "Kane's behaviour, while disappointing, was completely out of character and an aberration."

Johnson's coach at his previous club Adelaide, Gary Ayres, last night defended his former player. Ayres told The Age that he had known Johnson to be professional and he should be judged on his entire career. "In my time at Adelaide, he was touted as a future leader by the group," Ayres said.

"I never had any issues with Kane, and the club at the time was very, very keen to keep him in Adelaide because they knew how much of a star player he was and how big a contributor he was to the Adelaide Football Club.

"You have to look at Kane overall, the job he has been doing, however many years he has been captain at Richmond. So you would have to look at it in those situations there rather than identifying one particular thing that has happened."

Richmond confirmed yesterday that Johnson was charged with being drunk in a public place and a further charge of offensive behaviour was pending.

Johnson's home is situated next to the St Kilda Road police complex.

The Johnson incident comes only a week after Carlton fined Brendan Fevola $10,000 and stood him down from its leadership group for urinating on the window of a Melbourne nightclub.

Fevola was not suspended by the club, but was warned by the Blues that he would be sacked if another off-field incident occurred.

Johnson, unlike Fevola, has a squeaky clean off-field reputation. Commentator Robert Walls, who wrote last week that he thought Fevola would be unable to avoid off-field controversy and thus have to leave Carlton, said he was surprised to hear about Johnson.

http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/tiger-in-a-wee-spot-of-bother/2008/03/23/1206206928474.html
Title: Tinkle, tinkle little star (Herald-Sun)
Post by: one-eyed on March 24, 2008, 03:36:28 AM
Tinkle, tinkle little star
Paul Anderson
March 24, 2008 12:00am

RICHMOND captain Kane Johnson was arrested and locked up after being caught urinating on the wall of the St Kilda Rd police complex.

Johnson, who was caught in the act by a policewoman and her colleague, was later bailed by police on a charge of being drunk in a public place.

He is also expected to face an offensive behaviour charge.

Johnson had been celebrating his 30th birthday with family and friends, and was near home, when the incident happened.

The incident could strain Richmond's blossoming relationship with Victoria Police.

A group of officers from the special operations group has been working with the Tigers during the off-season. Players described some of the sessions as "unbelievable".

The officers who caught Johnson had just arrived back at the police complex from an early-morning call out.

The St Kilda Rd complex houses a normal police station at ground level, and major crime squads and taskforces in the floors above.

"A St Kilda Rd unit arrived back at the station and witnessed a 30-year-old male urinating on the police station wall," police spokeswoman Katherine Jess said.

"He was spoken to and arrested for being drunk in a public place and lodged at the Melbourne Custody Centre."

Johnson was Richmond's top ball-getter in the Tigers' 30-point season-opening win over Carlton on Thursday.

Johnson is due to appear at Melbourne Magistrates' Court on April 22.

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23421021-661,00.html
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: one-eyed on March 24, 2008, 03:37:47 AM
Tiger skipper bans himself
Jon Ralph | March 24, 2008

Johnson was dropped off in a cab at his Melbourne house adjoining the St Kilda Rd police station.

But rather than go home, he decided to relieve himself on the brick wall around the corner from the station's entrance.

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,23421075-19742,00.html
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: {X} on March 24, 2008, 08:05:30 AM
what a tool
Title: Re: Sugar out of North game plus a $5,000 fine
Post by: tigersalive on March 24, 2008, 08:12:59 AM
Anyone know when the Press Conference is today?
Title: Re: Sugar out of North game plus a $5,000 fine
Post by: Ox on March 24, 2008, 08:53:43 AM
WTF?
He keeps the captaincy ?
What a pak of weak dogs.
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: Little Jackie on March 24, 2008, 08:58:15 AM
I cant beleive anyone would be so stupid. Worse than the Fev case as Fev wasnt charged.
Interesting, he must of been pretty well intoxicated to be arrested, most Police would say just go home , although peeing on a Police Station wall is un heard of. Also, where was his partner at the time if it was his 30th Birthday celebration ??
Title: Sugar should keep the captaincy - Bowden
Post by: one-eyed on March 24, 2008, 09:10:16 AM
Joel was interviewed walking into training and said in his opinion Sugar shouldn't lose the captaincy. It was only a blip on the radar and Sugar's behaviour and leadership prior to this had been exemplary.

Sugar apologised for his behaviour when he spoke briefly to the media.

Miller to talk to the media at 10am.
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: Little Jackie on March 24, 2008, 09:15:39 AM
What is it with footballers, why cant they find the toilet when they are drunk ?????
Title: Re: Sugar out of North game plus a $5,000 fine
Post by: Little Jackie on March 24, 2008, 09:20:00 AM
ideal opportunity to strip him of his captainancy.
Captains lead by example.
Club should make an example of him and therfore ingrain a hard culture at the club, but no, it wont happen.
Fine him a few dollars and they will say we are all moving forward.
Any joy from last thursdays win has quickly been taken away >:(
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: mightytiges on March 24, 2008, 09:27:52 AM
I cant beleive anyone would be so stupid. Worse than the Fev case as Fev wasnt charged.
Interesting, he must of been pretty well intoxicated to be arrested, most Police would say just go home , although peeing on a Police Station wall is un heard of. Also, where was his partner at the time if it was his 30th Birthday celebration ??

Maybe the policewoman was a peeed off Carlton supporter  ;).

The only reason Fev wasn't charged was because the owner of the Candy Bar didn't lay charges. In Sugar's case the cops could see him through the window  :P.
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: cub on March 24, 2008, 10:20:16 AM
It's all good  :thumbsup
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: rogerd3 on March 24, 2008, 10:30:02 AM
The man is an idiot.
I was the B & F and few years ago and I was waiting for a taxi outside the Plaza Ballroom, hailed down and was just about to open the door for my wife and I to jump in. and Captain Courageous barges in and says this is mine, I looked at him and said who do you think you are?
He backed right off.   My wife commented when in the cab what behind hole. She doesnt follow footy either. She was right


this seemed to happen in Adelaide as well, as per anothers post on another forum.
serial offender is Kane
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: rogerd3 on March 24, 2008, 10:33:35 AM
by all means fine him and suspend him but all this hyperbole about sacking him etc is OTT...he has disgraced himself the club and the jumper but it seems some on here live in ivory towers.

Title: Re: Sugar should keep the captaincy - Bowden
Post by: mightytiges on March 24, 2008, 10:50:56 AM
Joel was interviewed walking into training and said in his opinion Sugar shouldn't lose the captaincy. It was only a blip on the radar and Sugar's behaviour and leadership prior to this had been exemplary.

Sugar apologised for his behaviour when he spoke briefly to the media.

Miller to talk to the media at 10am.
The club has killed the story quickly but Sugar is very very lucky to keep the captaincy.
Title: Miller on SEN
Post by: one-eyed on March 24, 2008, 10:54:35 AM
Miller on SEN:

Sugar is speaking to his teammates currently. Miller said there'll be no curfew for players and it's a completely different situation to Fevola as it's Kane first misdemeanour. Possible there could be further actions taken by the leadership group but the players are 100% behind Kane and have supported him. He'll keep the captaincy.
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: Little Jackie on March 24, 2008, 11:57:29 AM
Just goes to show that the people running the show at Punt Road have no balls , and this translates to on field performances. Only a footballer would think to pee on a Police Station ::)
How could the players respect him.
As for curfews, Greg Miller should see what Terry Wallet had quoted earlier on in the year about the players being a tight group and knew what was right from wrong.He also stated about the curfews on nightclubs and drinking( someone on here will find the article) Its obvious that the left hand doesnt know what the right hands doing at punt road , Miller and Wallet should compare notes before they go to the media in the future
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: gonzo on March 24, 2008, 12:01:13 PM
And we were laughing at carlton.  What a joke.

Our club should be ashamed of themselves.  1st offence, big deal.
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: Ramps on March 24, 2008, 12:05:00 PM
And we were laughing at carlton.  What a joke.

Our club should be ashamed of themselves.  1st offence, big deal.

Why do you barrack for this rabble Gonzo? Lets hope you didnt have a kid brother you sucked into supporting this rabble at a young age. Please tell us your not guilty Gonzo ;D
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: gonzo on March 24, 2008, 12:14:00 PM
Weak as pee Richmond,  should have lost his captaincy at a minimum.

Is this what you want your kids to do, don't worry about a toilet, pee anywhere you like.  What a joke.

Ramps, do you have a problem with my comments.  Do you think Johnson should be given the keys to the state.  How can we turn the losing culture of this club around with decisions like these.

What crap.  We can now be officially called the Toothless Tigers.
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: Ramps on March 24, 2008, 12:26:15 PM
I reckon the penalty has been light, I agree with you Gonzo.

Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: mjs on March 24, 2008, 12:30:15 PM
I think the penalty is about right.

It's not as if he gets off - he has a fine, loses a game, gets publicly humiliated - that's enough. To lose the captaincy would be a life time punishment plus more financial penalties. He has a clean record.
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: {X} on March 24, 2008, 12:37:46 PM
I think the penalty is about right.

It's not as if he gets off - he has a fine, loses a game, gets publicly humiliated - that's enough. To lose the captaincy would be a life time punishment plus more financial penalties. He has a clean record.

wrong

he should haVE LOST THE captaincy Full stop

its not a life time punishment, its a one yr..one and also fixes a big problem at the rfc. without sugar as captain, we could proceed to pick our best 22, because sugar is no where near in our best 22

we must be the only team in the comp that does not have a captain who is in the best 22

tigers are weak
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: one-eyed on March 24, 2008, 12:54:03 PM
Rex on 3AW said he should have got 3 extra weeks but not lost the captaincy.

Mike and Walls said he should remain captain.

All said it's not a capital offence. There's bigger issues in footy. So let's get on with it. Everyone has done it down an alley way.

Robbo on SEN said his immediate reaction was "oh no Kane". He said I guess the club had a choice EITHER to make a statement to the rest of the world that they're moving into a new era OR stick by the captain and tell the rest of the world to get stuffed. They obviously chose the latter. Some people might say the core values and culture AFL clubs preach don't stack up when the crap hits the fan. Robbo would like to know if Sugar did resign and the club told him no.

Licuria said from a players point of view it's important at this time of the year for the players to stick together so he said the club and players have done the right thing. It does weaken his position as captain a little but he has the credits and it's what he does from now on that matters. If it was Bucks who had done it in Licuria's time then he'd be the type of person to hand over the captaincy to Clement.

One of the ones on SEN said they could've handed over the captaincy to Richo for a year.
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: Fishfinger on March 24, 2008, 01:03:54 PM
If it was Bucks who had done it in Licuria's time then he'd be the type of person to hand over the captaincy to Clement.

Yeah, just like he handed it over after smearing blood on Ling.
Get off the grass, Paul.
Title: Re: Sugar out of North game plus a $5,000 fine
Post by: blaisee on March 24, 2008, 02:22:36 PM
ideal opportunity to strip him of his captainancy.
Captains lead by example.
Club should make an example of him and therfore ingrain a hard culture at the club, but no, it wont happen.
Fine him a few dollars and they will say we are all moving forward.
Any joy from last thursdays win has quickly been taken away >:(

you must be happy now jack

I know you were dissapointed on thursday night, but things are looking up for you again eh?

You miserable miserable sod
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: bushranger on March 24, 2008, 02:23:35 PM
I reckon with the 1 week penalty we should really play a better game next week without our fearless leader (LOL). I think we will have more direction without his plunders onfeild. Not that I'm saying that we played bad this week. I thought it was a really good game. and especially with the come back when I though the game was all done and dusted. I was so proud of the fight they had to bring it back the to take the lead and hold it to the end.
So to say I'm looking forward to next week game without our pee poor leader is an understatment. So it will be a better win and a real slap in the face to him.
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: Francois Jackson on March 24, 2008, 02:56:23 PM
what a joke. the rfc can't see that this guy is not a born leader.
he is not captain material and im sick of hearing there's no one better. thats bull sh.t

there are 3 or 4 other blokes who could do better than him. he is crap in every department.

by not being captain maybe he would get back to some half decent adelaide form.
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: WilliamPowell on March 24, 2008, 04:11:39 PM

All said it's not a capital offence. There's bigger issues in footy. So let's get on with it. Everyone has done it down an alley way.

Forget about alley ways - drive along the West Gate freeway on a Friday or Saturday night and check out the gardeners watering the trees ::)

No great surprise to me he wasn't stripped of the Captainancy - the club needs to be seen making the decisions not reacting to the supporters or the media.

Seriously we have handled it a helluva lot better than the Blues did

Time to move on ;D

Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: Little Jackie on March 24, 2008, 05:00:58 PM
I reckon Wallet would be spewing ;)
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: Rodgerramjet on March 24, 2008, 06:09:11 PM
I reckon Wallet would be spewing ;)

Yes and he's got plenty of friends
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: Ox on March 24, 2008, 06:30:12 PM
I reckon Wallet would be spewing ;)

anyone with a brain is spewing...that he's such a fuckup.
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: Little Jackie on March 24, 2008, 09:10:19 PM

All said it's not a capital offence. There's bigger issues in footy. So let's get on with it. Everyone has done it down an alley way.

Forget about alley ways - drive along the West Gate freeway on a Friday or Saturday night and check out the gardeners watering the trees ::)

No great surprise to me he wasn't stripped of the Captainancy - the club needs to be seen making the decisions not reacting to the supporters or the media.

Seriously we have handled it a helluva lot better than the Blues did

Time to move on ;D



This has nothing to do with drunks or gardeners peeing on a freeway on a friday or sat night
This is about a supposedly club leader of an elite sporting club staying out late, being so drunk they locked him up for 4 hours after he peeed on a the wall of a police station :banghead
This is why we are the laughing stock of the AFL.
Club had the perfect opportunity to lift the standards and to make an example but they ACCEPT the penalty that he had placed on him self.
The club didnt make the decision of the penalty, KANE JOHNSON did.the club just agreed.
The club havent handled it well at all leaving it to the player to impose his own penalty, what a circus at punt road really.  $5,000 fine out of a $350,000 contract, big deal,  Hopefully the magistate will throw the book at him
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: Moi on March 24, 2008, 09:15:07 PM
What a load of crock, Jack lol
Kane was being accountable for his actions.
Why would the club interfere with that?
You're unbelievable  :lol
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: Little Jackie on March 24, 2008, 09:19:00 PM
What a load of crock, Jack lol
Kane was being accountable for his actions.
Why would the club interfere with that?
You're unbelievable  :lol

You have no idea.
Kane accountable , oh dear, shown little respect for his teammates, no one gets locked up for 4 hours for being SOBER! do they ?
The club are weak as pee
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: Moi on March 24, 2008, 09:20:58 PM
What a load of crock, Jack lol
Kane was being accountable for his actions.
Why would the club interfere with that?
You're unbelievable  :lol

You have no idea.
Kane accountable , oh dear, shown little respect for his teammates, no one gets locked up for 4 hours for being SOBER! do they ?
The club are weak as pee
That's why he's given himself a holiday dear.
Do we have to spell it out in little wordies for you  ::)
FFS?
 :rollin

Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: Little Jackie on March 24, 2008, 09:23:49 PM
Little wordies for you MOI,
The club is weak as pee.
Captain giving his own penalty.
Only if you knew!
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: Moi on March 24, 2008, 09:25:05 PM
Only if you knew!
Again Jack, not interested  :sleep
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: Little Jackie on March 24, 2008, 09:29:14 PM
you are, i know ;)
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: tiga on March 24, 2008, 09:36:50 PM
I'm more concerned about him getting blind during the season than him urinating in public. So what if it his birthday. Players these days are supposed to be professional and they are compensated accordingly. The club captain of all people should be beyond reproach. I don't like the standard he is setting for our younger players by getting drunk during the season proper. Once he retires he can do whatever he likes but until then he should at all times appreciate the honoured position he has in our club and show some restraint when it comes to the consumption of alcohol. Save it for the end of season trip which if he keeps up this crap it will be sooner rather than later.!!!  :banghead :help
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: Little Jackie on March 24, 2008, 09:46:48 PM
I'm more concerned about him getting blind during the season than him urinating in public. So what if it his birthday. Players these days are supposed to be professional and they are compensated accordingly. The club captain of all people should be beyond reproach. I don't like the standard he is setting for our younger players by getting drunk during the season proper. Once he retires he can do whatever he likes but until then he should at all times appreciate the honoured position he has in our club and show some restraint when it comes to the consumption of alcohol. Save it for the end of season trip which if he keeps up this crap it will be sooner rather than later.!!!  :banghead :help

Thank you,  :thumbsup
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: WilliamPowell on March 24, 2008, 10:32:02 PM
This has nothing to do with drunks or gardeners peeing on a freeway on a friday or sat night
This is about a supposedly club leader of an elite sporting club staying out late, being so drunk they locked him up for 4 hours after he peeed on a the wall of a police station :banghead
This is why we are the laughing stock of the AFL.
Club had the perfect opportunity to lift the standards and to make an example but they ACCEPT the penalty that he had placed on him self.
The club didnt make the decision of the penalty, KANE JOHNSON did.the club just agreed.
The club havent handled it well at all leaving it to the player to impose his own penalty, what a circus at punt road really.  $5,000 fine out of a $350,000 contract, big deal,  Hopefully the magistate will throw the book at him

The magistrate throw the book - not likely  ::) more likely the charge will be thrown out or no conviction recorded

Yeah - Johnson made the penalty decision - good on him. Faced the media today, rather than sneaking in the via the pool - kudos for that too. He stuffed up - we all know it, he knows it but struth you'd think he'd caused mass anarchy in the St Kilda road.

As for being a laughing stock - yeah at times we are and at times it's no great surprise when you listen to some of the tripe on talkback this arvo  :banghead

If it is such a circus that you seem these days to clearly despise then don't be part of it. Pretty simple I would have thought ::)

Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: mightytiges on March 24, 2008, 10:48:02 PM
If it was Bucks who had done it in Licuria's time then he'd be the type of person to hand over the captaincy to Clement.

Yeah, just like he handed it over after smearing blood on Ling.
Get off the grass, Paul.
Nice one FF  :lol
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: mightytiges on March 24, 2008, 10:55:30 PM
I'm more concerned about him getting blind during the season than him urinating in public. So what if it his birthday. Players these days are supposed to be professional and they are compensated accordingly. The club captain of all people should be beyond reproach. I don't like the standard he is setting for our younger players by getting drunk during the season proper. Once he retires he can do whatever he likes but until then he should at all times appreciate the honoured position he has in our club and show some restraint when it comes to the consumption of alcohol. Save it for the end of season trip which if he keeps up this crap it will be sooner rather than later.!!!  :banghead :help
Agree tiga.

Caro said on FC Sugar getting so smashed in the first place was what actually disappointed the club. She also said she would keep him as captain as there's no one else worthy to be captain.
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: rogerd3 on March 24, 2008, 11:55:04 PM

All said it's not a capital offence. There's bigger issues in footy. So let's get on with it. Everyone has done it down an alley way.

Forget about alley ways - drive along the West Gate freeway on a Friday or Saturday night and check out the gardeners watering the trees ::)

No great surprise to me he wasn't stripped of the Captainancy - the club needs to be seen making the decisions not reacting to the supporters or the media.

Seriously we have handled it a helluva lot better than the Blues did

Time to move on ;D



 :thumbsup, the whole take the captaincy off him is WOTP, i think some are blinded for their dislike in him been the captain, as i posted earlier some need get out their ivory towers.

totally agree WP at least he wasnt shuffled through the back door, and again there is some mis information about Kane delivering his own sentence. :cheers...oops better go the kettle is boiling. :lol

 
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: 1980 on March 25, 2008, 01:59:33 AM

What is it about the club that makes Johnson a protected species?

His use by date as a player was 2 years ago
He never gets dropped
They hand him a BF he never deserved
He should not have retained the captaincy this year

We havent got great headlines like we did this week for 12 years, and he wrecks it. The media is talking about him instead of how we're going to beat North.

Enough with this nob
Title: Remorseful Johnson backed to remain captain (Herald-Sun)
Post by: one-eyed on March 25, 2008, 03:42:10 AM
Remorseful Johnson backed to remain captain
Sam Edmund
March 25, 2008

RICHMOND has backed skipper Kane Johnson to retain the respect of his teammates despite being arrested for urinating in public.

The Tigers said yesterday that stripping Johnson of the captaincy was never discussed.

Johnson was caught by police urinating on the wall of the St Kilda Rd police complex about 2am on Sunday after celebrating his 30th birthday.

He yesterday apologised to teammates after being charged with being drunk in a public place.

The club's leadership group is today expected to ratify a $5000 fine and Johnson's self-proposed one-match ban.

Johnson has also volunteered to become an anti-binge drinking ambassador.

Asked if the Tigers considered taking the captaincy off Johnson, Richmond director of football Greg Miller said: "Absolutely not. It wasn't discussed and we didn't come close at all."

Miller said Johnson was full of remorse after long preaching the importance of off-field behaviour.

"You understand Kane has strong values and he felt that he let the whole group down," Miller said.

"He sold those values to the whole team, we have trademarks and values that we live by and Kane's driven those through the whole club.

"For him to make the mistake that he did, of course he felt that (a suspension) was the appropriate action.

"For him to make that mistake, he'll forever regret it."

Vice-captain Joel Bowden said Johnson's run-in with the law was a "blip on the radar".

"He's set up a strong foundation for the club and he's work has been exemplary," he said.

But former Richmond player and coach Tony Jewell said it was inevitable Johnson's teammates would now look at him differently.

"Certainly he would have lost some sort of respect, I have no doubt of that," Jewell said.

"But he is held in pretty high regard. It's totally out of character to be quite honest."

John Northey, who coached the Tigers from 1993-1995, said Johnson's good off-field record would ensure he could still command the respect of the playing group.

"He should miss a game and show the group he stands by all the disciplines of the club," Northey said.

Johnson will now have to wait until the Round 3 game against Collingwood to play his 100th game for the Tigers.

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23426573-11088,00.html
Title: Richmond's Kane Johnson takes pledge (Herald-Sun)
Post by: one-eyed on March 25, 2008, 03:43:55 AM
Richmond's Kane Johnson takes pledge
Grant McArthur
March 25, 2008

RICHMOND skipper Kane Johnson wants to campaign against problem drinking after his public shaming on the weekend.

Johnson, who was arrested for urinating on the St Kilda Rd Police complex at 2am on Sunday, wants to help stamp out binge drinking.

Richmond football director Greg Miller said Johnson wanted to warn the community about the problem and the club would take a stance through its captain.

"Kane is not a regular drinker, it was a one-off, and he certainly hasn't been drinking since Christmas," he said.

"It was his birthday, he celebrated and he went too far.

"I guess that is a topical subject at the moment and he understands that, and if he can help deliver that right message he will.

"Already the Prime Minister has met Andrew Demetriou and sought the AFL's assistance (to stamp out problem drinking), so I think we are going to become proactive."

Johnson suspended himself for one match and was fined $5000 by Richmond.

Johnson, who lives next door to the police complex, had been celebrating his 30th birthday with family and friends.

He apologised again before meeting the club's leadership group at Punt Road Oval yesterday.

"I've let a lot of people down at the footy club and also fans around Australia and I just want to hopefully move on very quickly," he said.

VicHealth chief executive officer Todd Harper welcomed any effort by Johnson to speak out against problem drinking.

"I give credit to Kane Johnson for being prepared to make the best out of a bad situation.

"I think a lot of people have been in that situation -- the difference is being prepared to take responsibility for your actions and then do something to turn it around.

"Kane Johnson is not the first person to have found himself in that situation, and he probably won't be the last, so I think to send a message that he has learnt something from it would be a positive."

Mr Miller said Johnson's teammates accepted his apology. "They know it was a complete aberration and not something that you would expect Kane to be involved with -- he's the last person you'd expect at our football club.

"Kane has strong values and he felt he let the whole club down. He sold those values to the whole team. We have trademarks and values, and Kane has driven those.

"He sets such high standards, so for him to make that mistake he'll forever regret it. His family were with him.

"He was outside his own house, which just happened to be next door (to a police station), and unfortunately he was in the wrong place at the wrong time and made a bad mistake."

Johnson was charged with being drunk in a public place and is due to face court on April 22.

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23426207-661,00.html
Title: Spud backs Johnson outcome (The Age)
Post by: one-eyed on March 25, 2008, 03:45:56 AM
Johnson's first Tiger coach backs outcome
Samantha Lane | March 25, 2008

DANNY Frawley, the man who helped recruit Kane Johnson to Richmond, yesterday backed his old club's handling of the Tiger captain's weekend arrest.

Frawley, who oversaw Johnson's move from Adelaide to Punt Road at the end of 2002, said the latest case of a footballer urinating in an inappropriate place was different to the one that featured Carlton's Brendan Fevola on the eve of round one.

"(Johnson) is coming from a clean slate," Frawley said. "It's not the boy who cried wolf. It's a guy who's captain of a club and been terrific since he's been at Richmond and that's why it's completely different. It's out of character.

"It's not ideal, and it's really disappointing, and he'd be the first to admit that … he wouldn't have been ducking for cover on this one. He would have got on the front foot and said, 'This is the issue, I'm in strife and this is the way I'd like to be dealt with. What's your opinion?'

"I think Kane should be commended on the way he's acted pretty swiftly on it. There was a lot of procrastination with the Carlton scenario."

Johnson said yesterday that he was "deeply sorry" for his misdemeanour.

He was arrested and charged for being drunk in a public place early on Sunday morning and was caught urinating outside the St Kilda Road police complex, which is near his home.

He has imposed a one-match suspension on himself, as well as a $5000 fine, and offered to do voluntary community work.

http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/frawley-backs-johnson-outcome/2008/03/24/1206207012287.html
Title: Fuss about Fev and Johnson should be flushed away (The Age)
Post by: one-eyed on March 25, 2008, 03:48:46 AM
Fuss about Fev and Johnson should be flushed away
Greg Baum | March 25, 2008

ON THE scale of atrocities committed by sportsmen — ranging from drunkenness and drink-driving to drug-taking, sexual harassment and assault — urinating in public would shock only if it was against an electric fence.

It makes Brendan Fevola and Kane Johnson no worse, but no better, than the inebriated man who relieved himself in a photo booth outside Flinders Street Station on Saturday night, just before a group of young women arrived, and somewhat dampened their enthusiasm for a snapshot.

Arguably, he was smarter either than Fevola, who peeed on the window of a nightclub, or Johnson, who peeed on the wall of a police station. Unlike Fevola, he knew where the camera was. Unlike Johnson, he knew where he was.

Footballers are young men like any other young men, with charms, failings and bladders. They are set apart only by their athletic talent. At a certain level, that gains them greater privileges than the next man, which in turn imposes greater obligations, a truth most accept. But the rest of the footballer-as-superman syndrome is a social construct. Sometimes, it becomes a joke on society.

Fevola's incontinence was three days' worth of headlines. Johnson's wee misjudgement attracted a throng of media to Punt Road and was the catalyst for several talkback segments. One dwelled on listeners' tales of like excesses, which was instructive; no one is asked ever to ring in with their favourite rape stories. Yet in each instance, the club went into war cabinet, the leadership group hunkered down, the media department put out dispatches and more mea culpas were heard even than on Good Friday.

Fevola escaped suspension on the grounds that he does this all the time. Johnson suspended himself. It helps to explain why one is — properly — still captain of his club and the other is — mystifyingly — on an endlessly renewable last chance. History and demeanour suggest that Johnson, at least, will not be caught again with his pants down.

Duly, the question became: what to do about these ever-erring footballers and their irritable urinary tracts? The mind boggles. Ban alcohol? Ban all diuretics? Supply bags or bottles? Sensors? Chemical inhibitants? A chaperone? Monitor? Write into the standard player contract specifications about when and where? Have them write on their arms a reminder to go (and to wash their hands afterwards)?

Toilet training?

Really, this all too trivial. Each club can and will choose its own course. Some will impose curfews. Some will implement alcohol bans, some limits. Some will tighten them as finals approach. Some allow drinking only on the night after a game. Collingwood once allowed drinking only with meals.

But limits exist already: laws concerning public drunkenness and indecency, norms, dignity, common sense. Fevola might argue that his modest display last Thursday had nothing to do with his binge five days previously, but people will draw their own conclusions. As noted, footballers are supermen only up to a point, and it is not .05.

Truthfully, neither Carlton nor Richmond should do anything more. They are football clubs, not nannies. Sooner or later, they must stop holding their charges' hands every waking minute; apart from anything else, they will end up getting splashed.

Fevola is 27, Johnson 30. Sooner or later, a man has to stand on his own two feet, and zip up his own fly. What they did was uncouth, but to judge from the city footpaths on a Sunday morning, hardly uncommon. It leaves, as always, a bad smell.

http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/fuss-about-fev-and-johnson-should-be-flushed-away/2008/03/24/1206207007774.html
Title: Johnson should consider offering his resignation as captain (H-Sun editorial)
Post by: one-eyed on March 25, 2008, 03:51:34 AM
Game over
Herald-Sun Editorial
March 25, 2008

Footballers are highly paid in a game watched by tens of thousands of people each week, but players appear reluctant to accept their responsibility as role models.

Last week, there was the appalling behaviour of Carlton full-forward Brendan Fevola in urinating on a bar window in Prahran.

On the weekend, Richmond captain Kane Johnson was arrested and locked up after urinating on the wall of the St Kilda Rd police complex.

Fevola was fined $10,000 and escaped suspension while Johnson, as captain, suspended himself for one match and was fined $5000.

It is bad enough that a player urinated in public, but for the captain of a club to do so is unforgivable.

The AFL needs to remind all players of their responsibilities, starting with Johnson, a 30-year-old man who should know better.

While his club is unlikely to seek their captain's resignation, Johnson should consider offering it.

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23425003-24218,00.html
Title: Re: Spud backs Johnson outcome (The Age)
Post by: Ox on March 25, 2008, 05:48:33 AM
Johnson's first Tiger coach backs outcome
Samantha Lane | March 25, 2008

DANNY Frawley, the man who helped recruit Kane Johnson to Richmond, yesterday backed his old club's handling of the Tiger captain's weekend arrest.

Frawley, who oversaw Johnson's move from Adelaide to Punt Road at the end of 2002, said the latest case of a footballer urinating in an inappropriate place was different to the one that featured Carlton's Brendan Fevola on the eve of round one.

"(Johnson) is coming from a clean slate," Frawley said. "It's not the boy who cried wolf. It's a guy who's captain of a club and been terrific since he's been at Richmond and that's why it's completely different. It's out of character.

"It's not ideal, and it's really disappointing, and he'd be the first to admit that … he wouldn't have been ducking for cover on this one. He would have got on the front foot and said, 'This is the issue, I'm in strife and this is the way I'd like to be dealt with. What's your opinion?'

"I think Kane should be commended on the way he's acted pretty swiftly on it. There was a lot of procrastination with the Carlton scenario."

Johnson said yesterday that he was "deeply sorry" for his misdemeanour.

He was arrested and charged for being drunk in a public place early on Sunday morning and was caught urinating outside the St Kilda Road police complex, which is near his home.

He has imposed a one-match suspension on himself, as well as a $5000 fine, and offered to do voluntary community work.

http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/frawley-backs-johnson-outcome/2008/03/24/1206207012287.html

Geez he's a stuff kwit.
Title: Re: Sugar out of North game plus a $5,000 fine
Post by: Little Jackie on March 25, 2008, 08:03:20 AM
ideal opportunity to strip him of his captainancy.
Captains lead by example.
Club should make an example of him and therfore ingrain a hard culture at the club, but no, it wont happen.
Fine him a few dollars and they will say we are all moving forward.
Any joy from last thursdays win has quickly been taken away >:(

you must be happy now jack

I know you were dissapointed on thursday night, but things are looking up for you again eh?

You miserable miserable sod
You are D/Head.
This is why the club is going no where ! People like you Blaisee who support this rubbish
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: Little Jackie on March 25, 2008, 08:05:38 AM

What is it about the club that makes Johnson a protected species?

His use by date as a player was 2 years ago
He never gets dropped
They hand him a BF he never deserved
He should not have retained the captaincy this year

We havent got great headlines like we did this week for 12 years, and he wrecks it. The media is talking about him instead of how we're going to beat North.

Enough with this nob

Correct!
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: Little Jackie on March 25, 2008, 08:09:09 AM
This has nothing to do with drunks or gardeners peeing on a freeway on a friday or sat night
This is about a supposedly club leader of an elite sporting club staying out late, being so drunk they locked him up for 4 hours after he peeed on a the wall of a police station :banghead
This is why we are the laughing stock of the AFL.
Club had the perfect opportunity to lift the standards and to make an example but they ACCEPT the penalty that he had placed on him self.
The club didnt make the decision of the penalty, KANE JOHNSON did.the club just agreed.
The club havent handled it well at all leaving it to the player to impose his own penalty, what a circus at punt road really.  $5,000 fine out of a $350,000 contract, big deal,  Hopefully the magistate will throw the book at him

The magistrate throw the book - not likely  ::) more likely the charge will be thrown out or no conviction recorded

Yeah - Johnson made the penalty decision - good on him. Faced the media today, rather than sneaking in the via the pool - kudos for that too. He stuffed up - we all know it, he knows it but struth you'd think he'd caused mass anarchy in the St Kilda road.

As for being a laughing stock - yeah at times we are and at times it's no great surprise when you listen to some of the tripe on talkback this arvo  :banghead

If it is such a circus that you seem these days to clearly despise then don't be part of it. Pretty simple I would have thought ::)



If he didnt face the media it would have been more of a disagrace, he is the captain of the club ::)
It will be a disgrace if the charge gets thrown out because he is a footballer, please.  ::)
What he did is the most stupid thing I have heard of in a long time. Think about it!
Whats he doing out drunk anyway??
Title: Re: Sugar out of North game plus a $5,000 fine
Post by: blaisee on March 25, 2008, 10:35:18 AM
ideal opportunity to strip him of his captainancy.
Captains lead by example.
Club should make an example of him and therfore ingrain a hard culture at the club, but no, it wont happen.
Fine him a few dollars and they will say we are all moving forward.
Any joy from last thursdays win has quickly been taken away >:(

you must be happy now jack

I know you were dissapointed on thursday night, but things are looking up for you again eh?

You miserable miserable sod
You are D/Head.
This is why the club is going no where ! People like you Blaisee who support this rubbish

thankfully jack, snipers like yourself have been removed from the club. You are so bitter and twisted that you cant even enjoy a win, you must of hated the fact that we pumped the blues, johno's indiscretion is no big deal, anyone that thinks otherwise just has an agenda. You have proven this time and time again jack. I feel sorry for you.

So your advise to me is to be more like you, and just snipe at the club at any opportunity and blow any negative out of proportion, no thanks. I am too busy thinking about the postives.

Will Thursfield
Jake King
Tambling
Jackson
Shultz

They have all taken huge steps over the pre-season, who gives a flog if someone had a slash in a lane way next door to their house, grow up.
Title: Re: Sugar out of North game plus a $5,000 fine
Post by: Little Jackie on March 25, 2008, 10:53:01 AM
ideal opportunity to strip him of his captainancy.
Captains lead by example.
Club should make an example of him and therfore ingrain a hard culture at the club, but no, it wont happen.
Fine him a few dollars and they will say we are all moving forward.
Any joy from last thursdays win has quickly been taken away >:(

you must be happy now jack

I know you were dissapointed on thursday night, but things are looking up for you again eh?

You miserable miserable sod
You are D/Head.
This is why the club is going no where ! People like you Blaisee who support this rubbish

thankfully jack, snipers like yourself have been removed from the club. You are so bitter and twisted that you cant even enjoy a win, you must of hated the fact that we pumped the blues, johno's indiscretion is no big deal, anyone that thinks otherwise just has an agenda. You have proven this time and time again jack. I feel sorry for you.

So your advise to me is to be more like you, and just snipe at the club at any opportunity and blow any negative out of proportion, no thanks. I am too busy thinking about the postives.

Will Thursfield
Jake King
Tambling
Jackson
Shultz

They have all taken huge steps over the pre-season, who gives a flog if someone had a slash in a lane way next door to their house, grow up.

Schultz  ::) :lol :lol :lol :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin

Its just goes to show what a circus it is down there. The captain giving his own penalty, please
Garry Lyons article in the paper today says it all.
Interesting also that KB says that he shouldnt be captain anymore.
It has more to do than "' having a slash "" or dont you realise that ::)
Title: Re: Sugar out of North game plus a $5,000 fine
Post by: blaisee on March 25, 2008, 10:55:43 AM
ideal opportunity to strip him of his captainancy.
Captains lead by example.
Club should make an example of him and therfore ingrain a hard culture at the club, but no, it wont happen.
Fine him a few dollars and they will say we are all moving forward.
Any joy from last thursdays win has quickly been taken away >:(

you must be happy now jack

I know you were dissapointed on thursday night, but things are looking up for you again eh?

You miserable miserable sod
You are D/Head.
This is why the club is going no where ! People like you Blaisee who support this rubbish

thankfully jack, snipers like yourself have been removed from the club. You are so bitter and twisted that you cant even enjoy a win, you must of hated the fact that we pumped the blues, johno's indiscretion is no big deal, anyone that thinks otherwise just has an agenda. You have proven this time and time again jack. I feel sorry for you.

So your advise to me is to be more like you, and just snipe at the club at any opportunity and blow any negative out of proportion, no thanks. I am too busy thinking about the postives.

Will Thursfield
Jake King
Tambling
Jackson
Shultz

They have all taken huge steps over the pre-season, who gives a flog if someone had a slash in a lane way next door to their house, grow up.

Schultz  ::) :lol :lol :lol :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin

Its just goes to show what a circus it is down there. The captain giving his own penalty, please
Garry Lyons article in the paper today says it all.
Interesting also that KB says that he shouldnt be captain anymore.
It has more to do than "' having a slash "" or dont you realise that ::)

you would know all about a circus jack, you are a clown :thumbsup
Title: Re: Sugar out of North game plus a $5,000 fine
Post by: rogerd3 on March 25, 2008, 11:06:28 AM
ideal opportunity to strip him of his captainancy.
Captains lead by example.
Club should make an example of him and therfore ingrain a hard culture at the club, but no, it wont happen.
Fine him a few dollars and they will say we are all moving forward.
Any joy from last thursdays win has quickly been taken away >:(

you must be happy now jack

I know you were dissapointed on thursday night, but things are looking up for you again eh?

You miserable miserable sod
You are D/Head.
This is why the club is going no where ! People like you Blaisee who support this rubbish

thankfully jack, snipers like yourself have been removed from the club. You are so bitter and twisted that you cant even enjoy a win, you must of hated the fact that we pumped the blues, johno's indiscretion is no big deal, anyone that thinks otherwise just has an agenda. You have proven this time and time again jack. I feel sorry for you.

So your advise to me is to be more like you, and just snipe at the club at any opportunity and blow any negative out of proportion, no thanks. I am too busy thinking about the postives.

Will Thursfield
Jake King
Tambling
Jackson
Shultz

They have all taken huge steps over the pre-season, who gives a flog if someone had a slash in a lane way next door to their house, grow up.

Schultz  ::) :lol :lol :lol :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin

Its just goes to show what a circus it is down there. The captain giving his own penalty, please
Garry Lyons article in the paper today says it all.
Interesting also that KB says that he shouldnt be captain anymore.
It has more to do than "' having a slash "" or dont you realise that ::)


I wouldnt say the Mr Gaddy Lyon is the epitomie of good behaviour, he has more than a couple of skeletons in his closet. :shh..
everyone has an opinion on this incident and fair enough its just unfortunate some have an axe to grind because of their dislike of him as our capain, well a certain few anyway.
do you think that cousins wasnt the actual captain of WC after his indescretions, Judd was only captain to the outside world, to give that perception.


let it go Jackstar your only enhancing your bitter reputation.



 
Title: Re: Sugar out of North game plus a $5,000 fine
Post by: Little Jackie on March 25, 2008, 11:13:31 AM
you just dont get it do you ::)
Everyone has there opinion, I have mine.
You just dont realise the damage that has been done here inregards to trust etc.
Terry will be spewing, interesting that 3AW played a recording of Terry yesterday about an interview he did two weeks ago about trust and drinking issues at the club and what he had implemented.
Obviously Kane wasnt listening ::)
And have a read of Gary Lyon article if you already havent
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: rogerd3 on March 25, 2008, 11:18:28 AM
This has nothing to do with drunks or gardeners peeing on a freeway on a friday or sat night
This is about a supposedly club leader of an elite sporting club staying out late, being so drunk they locked him up for 4 hours after he peeed on a the wall of a police station :banghead
This is why we are the laughing stock of the AFL.
Club had the perfect opportunity to lift the standards and to make an example but they ACCEPT the penalty that he had placed on him self.
The club didnt make the decision of the penalty, KANE JOHNSON did.the club just agreed.
The club havent handled it well at all leaving it to the player to impose his own penalty, what a circus at punt road really.  $5,000 fine out of a $350,000 contract, big deal,  Hopefully the magistate will throw the book at him

The magistrate throw the book - not likely  ::) more likely the charge will be thrown out or no conviction recorded

Yeah - Johnson made the penalty decision - good on him. Faced the media today, rather than sneaking in the via the pool - kudos for that too. He stuffed up - we all know it, he knows it but struth you'd think he'd caused mass anarchy in the St Kilda road.

As for being a laughing stock - yeah at times we are and at times it's no great surprise when you listen to some of the tripe on talkback this arvo  :banghead

If it is such a circus that you seem these days to clearly despise then don't be part of it. Pretty simple I would have thought ::)



If he didnt face the media it would have been more of a disagrace, he is the captain of the club ::)
It will be a disgrace if the charge gets thrown out because he is a footballer, please.  ::)
What he did is the most stupid thing I have heard of in a long time. Think about it!
Whats he doing out drunk anyway??

the most stupid thing i would have thought was Didak getting into cars with hitmen, or perhaps a player screwing his vice captains wife...for godsake get a grip he took a slash whilst peeed, the most stupid part it was next door to the Stkilda police complex.
some on here seem to have lead an exemplary life with no infractions which i find hard to believe.

pfft some need to chill out, you would have thought he committed mass murder.


Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: Little Jackie on March 25, 2008, 11:21:42 AM
I think you are missing the point abit.
The fact that he was drunk and had to be locked up for 4 hours is a huge problem in a team enviroment
Title: Re: Sugar out of North game plus a $5,000 fine
Post by: rogerd3 on March 25, 2008, 11:25:55 AM
you just dont get it do you ::)
Everyone has there opinion, I have mine.
You just dont realise the damage that has been done here inregards to trust etc.
Terry will be spewing, interesting that 3AW played a recording of Terry yesterday about an interview he did two weeks ago about trust and drinking issues at the club and what he had implemented.
Obviously Kane wasnt listening ::)
And have a read of Gary Lyon article if you already havent

We have heard you opinion on most things about the RFC but unfortunately for someone who supposedly supports the RFC they are not very flattering, but its something we expect more often than not.

read the Gaddy Lyon article and yes he has some fair points in there thats what he is employed to do...does he know or you for that matter what transpired yesterday @Punt Rd, as i posted earlier Gaddy Lyon isnt the epitomie of good behavior over his time at the Demons. :whistle
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: WilliamPowell on March 25, 2008, 01:14:52 PM
It will be a disgrace if the charge gets thrown out because he is a footballer, please.  ::)

Wont have anything to do with him being a footballer if it gets thrown out or no conviction recorded ::) ::)

It is just a very common thing in these sort of cases.

Seriously, first offence etc....


Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: Ox on March 25, 2008, 01:45:56 PM
If I may.

I agree with Jak that it is as weak as pixs on the clubs behalf for
1-allowing him to penalise himself.
2-Condoning his being out with family and drunk as being ok (Miler)

Reality is,this is no example for the number one leader to set,
ESPECIALLY when his performances over the years have been nothing short of comical.

The Tiger community is divided on the matter.
Those who approve of the final outcome as acceptable(more likely trying to avoid media scrutiny
and the others,who think he has screwed up big time.
Wether this is because of somewhat,personal agenda due to what has been perceived
as johnson falling far,far short of the level expected of him,is not important.

What is important in the discussion is the fact there are fractions of
the supporter base who are unhappy.

Does this happen at other clubs to the degree it is happening here and now?
Answer is NO.
Reason is other captains fill the position as characterised.
If they can't they are unceremoniously fired,not given a 3rd year.

IDGAF If legaly it is his first offence or the fact it is a common break of the law.
What peees me off is he is an uninspirational,unimaginative,colorless leader who
has majorly done stuff all and thinks it's okay to be out on the pixs.

You guys are seriously overlooking the gest of the matter at hand.

He's a wanker.

Screw u suga,the sooner u stuff off the better.
*spits like a wog - tttuuuueeeyyyy*
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: one-eyed on March 25, 2008, 04:09:58 PM
SEN said earlier today Kane was seen with Richo in the White Room around 11.30pm Saturday night. Richo was fine but Sugar was 'under the weather'.
Title: Is Kane still able? - Garry Lyon
Post by: one-eyed on March 25, 2008, 04:12:54 PM
Is Kane still able?
By Garry Lyon
Former Melbourne star
March 25, 2008

IT WILL be very hard for Kane Johnson to continue to captain the Richmond Football Club.

Not totally unworkable, but very difficult. And I'm looking at that, not through the eyes of the club, the sponsors, the fans or the media, but through the eyes of Johnson himself.

The role of captain is to lead his players. It is an honour that carries with it responsibilities and expectations, and by extension, extra scrutiny. It is not a role suited to every player, nor is it always for the best player in any team.

The captaincy is given to the best leader and to do the role effectively you need to be satisfied, in your own mind, that you are worthy of the position.

The toughest times I encountered as captain were through periods of injury or poor form. If you were performing poorly, or not at all, it was very difficult to demand of the players the standards that were required.

If your team was struggling and you weren't contributing, the natural inclination was to retreat into yourself. To do otherwise was to feel like a fraud.

It conjured images of "do as I say, not what I do", which is counter to what all strong leaders subscribe to.

And that is what Johnson would be wrestling with at the moment. At least with poor form or injury, you could continue to do everything in your power to turn it around.

That is the message you hopefully send to your players as you work your backside off in a game or work to do everything in your power to get an injury right to enable you to do what is expected at the weekend.

I admire Johnson's approach to football and, anecdotally, I believe the players have great respect for him.

But how much does this incident compromise that respect and how compromised will Johnson feel when he has to stand up in front of his group, look his players in the eye and say, "Follow me".

Only Johnson can answer that. The fact he has no history of trouble with the Tigers works in his favour.

The players may rally and back him, but it will require great trust from all involved. That is one thing that he needs to win back in a hurry.

http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,23427395-23211,00.html
Title: Kane Johnson says sorry to police (Herald-Sun)
Post by: one-eyed on March 25, 2008, 04:19:08 PM
Richmond captain Kane Johnson says sorry to police
Karen Collier and Grant McArthur
March 25, 2008 11:35am

TIGER captain Kane Johnson has delivered a letter of apology to police chief Christine Nixon expressing regret for urinating on the wall of a police complex.

The remorseful Richmond skipper's hand-delivered note stressed he did not set out to offend the force when he was arrested outside the St Kilda Rd complex early on Sunday.

And he has offered to work with Victoria Police to make amends.

Johnson delivered the letter to the Victoria Police Centre reception in Flinders St yesterday afternoon.

Ms Nixon, who opened the personal apology this morning, declined to release the letter publicly.

But a spokeswoman confirmed the gesture and said the Chief Commissioner was impressed.

"He apologised and wanted to emphasise his actions at the weekend were in no way meant to cause offence and that he hadn't deliberately selected the complex to disrespect police," spokeswoman Nicole McKechnie said.

"He offered to do anything to assist in the future with Victoria Police to make amends."

Johnson, who was arrested for urinating on the St Kilda Rd Police complex at 2am on Sunday, yesterday pledged to help stamp out binge drinking.

Richmond football director Greg Miller said Johnson wanted to warn the community about the problem and the club would take a stance through its captain.

"Kane is not a regular drinker, it was a one-off, and he certainly hasn't been drinking since Christmas," he said.

"It was his birthday, he celebrated and he went too far.

"I guess that is a topical subject at the moment and he understands that, and if he can help deliver that right message he will.

"Already the Prime Minister has met Andrew Demetriou and sought the AFL's assistance (to stamp out problem drinking), so I think we are going to become proactive."

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23428263-2862,00.html
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: {X} on March 25, 2008, 05:09:23 PM
not saying what sugar did was ok, cos it was disgusting and dogs behaviour, but wuld a cop that is a tiger supporter have arrested him if he CAUGHT  sugar in the act........i doubt it
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: Little Jackie on March 25, 2008, 05:14:13 PM
not saying what sugar did was ok, cos it was disgusting and dogs behaviour, but wuld a cop that is a tiger supporter have arrested him if he CAUGHT  sugar in the act........i doubt it

Wouldnt think any normal cop would arrest him unless he was under the influence and couldnt stand up??
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: rogerd3 on March 25, 2008, 05:32:45 PM
seems some have taken their smart pills today. :lol
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: tigersalive on March 25, 2008, 05:49:36 PM
not saying what sugar did was ok, cos it was disgusting and dogs behaviour, but wuld a cop that is a tiger supporter have arrested him if he CAUGHT  sugar in the act........i doubt it

Wouldnt think any normal cop would arrest him unless he was under the influence and couldnt stand up??

How the hell was he peeing against the wall if he couldnt stand up?  :lol  :rollin   :help
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: Ox on March 25, 2008, 06:11:21 PM
not saying what sugar did was ok, cos it was disgusting and dogs behaviour, but wuld a cop that is a tiger supporter have arrested him if he CAUGHT  sugar in the act........i doubt it

Wouldnt think any normal cop would arrest him unless he was under the influence and couldnt stand up??

How the hell was he peeing against the wall if he couldnt stand up?  :lol  :rollin   :help

If u consider the way he has been playing over the years,
I don't see why it is so hard to picture him lying on his back,just squirting all over the
sidewall of the police station....in fact,that's the first thing that came to mind when i heard
of his actions.
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: Moi on March 25, 2008, 06:52:51 PM
If I may.

I agree with Jak that it is as weak as pixs on the clubs behalf for
1-allowing him to penalise himself.
2-Condoning his being out with family and drunk as being ok (Miler)

Reality is,this is no example for the number one leader to set,
ESPECIALLY when his performances over the years have been nothing short of comical.

The Tiger community is divided on the matter.
Those who approve of the final outcome as acceptable(more likely trying to avoid media scrutiny
and the others,who think he has screwed up big time.
Wether this is because of somewhat,personal agenda due to what has been perceived
as johnson falling far,far short of the level expected of him,is not important.

What is important in the discussion is the fact there are fractions of
the supporter base who are unhappy.

Does this happen at other clubs to the degree it is happening here and now?
Answer is NO.
Reason is other captains fill the position as characterised.
If they can't they are unceremoniously fired,not given a 3rd year.

IDGAF If legaly it is his first offence or the fact it is a common break of the law.
What peees me off is he is an uninspirational,unimaginative,colorless leader who
has majorly done eff all and thinks it's okay to be out on the pixs.

You guys are seriously overlooking the gest of the matter at hand.

He's a wanker.

Screw u suga,the sooner u eff off the better.
*spits like a wog - tttuuuueeeyyyy*
:rollin
Why don't you just say, "I don't like him".  "He should be punished just for stealing air I might breathe".
I could handle that, but Ox moralising  :rollin
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: {X} on March 25, 2008, 07:00:39 PM
i cant stand sugar, and hoped he would be dropped as captain, he hasnt so we just move on

but seriously. all he did was pee on a cop shop ........big deal.

dogs pee on the street all the time, u dont see ppl complaining when their dogs pee
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: Ox on March 25, 2008, 07:03:22 PM
If I may.

I agree with Jak that it is as weak as pixs on the clubs behalf for
1-allowing him to penalise himself.
2-Condoning his being out with family and drunk as being ok (Miler)

Reality is,this is no example for the number one leader to set,
ESPECIALLY when his performances over the years have been nothing short of comical.

The Tiger community is divided on the matter.
Those who approve of the final outcome as acceptable(more likely trying to avoid media scrutiny
and the others,who think he has screwed up big time.
Wether this is because of somewhat,personal agenda due to what has been perceived
as johnson falling far,far short of the level expected of him,is not important.

What is important in the discussion is the fact there are fractions of
the supporter base who are unhappy.

Does this happen at other clubs to the degree it is happening here and now?
Answer is NO.
Reason is other captains fill the position as characterised.
If they can't they are unceremoniously fired,not given a 3rd year.

IDGAF If legaly it is his first offence or the fact it is a common break of the law.
What peees me off is he is an uninspirational,unimaginative,colorless leader who
has majorly done eff all and thinks it's okay to be out on the pixs.

You guys are seriously overlooking the gest of the matter at hand.

He's a wanker.

Screw u suga,the sooner u eff off the better.
*spits like a wog - tttuuuueeeyyyy*
:rollin
Why don't you just say, "I don't like him".  "He should be punished just for stealing air I might breathe".
I could handle that, but Ox moralising  :rollin

i dont mind him.
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: Little Jackie on March 25, 2008, 07:04:44 PM
i cant stand sugar, and hoped he would be dropped as captain, he hasnt so we just move on

but seriously. all he did was pee on a cop shop ........big deal.

dogs pee on the street all the time, u dont see ppl complaining when their dogs pee

Ahhhhh  He did more than that.
He has been charged with being drunk and and locked up for 4 hours, thats a bit different than just taking a leak
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: Ox on March 25, 2008, 07:35:29 PM
Quote
Quote from: {X} on Today at 07:00:39 pm


dogs pee on the street all the time, u dont see ppl complaining when their dogs pee

what the stuff poo does that actually mean?
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: Hellenic Tiger on March 25, 2008, 07:39:04 PM
i cant stand sugar, and hoped he would be dropped as captain, he hasnt so we just move on

but seriously. all he did was pee on a cop shop ........big deal.

dogs pee on the street all the time, u dont see ppl complaining when their dogs pee

No people won't complain as they don't have to carry a pooper scooper for that.  :thumbsup
Nor a plastic bag to store the contents till they get to the nearest bin.  :thumbsup

Maybe Kane was having a bog, but had left the Quilton next door at his house.
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: 1980 on March 25, 2008, 08:17:09 PM
not saying what sugar did was ok, cos it was disgusting and dogs behaviour, but wuld a cop that is a tiger supporter have arrested him if he CAUGHT  sugar in the act........i doubt it

Dude, are you kidding? If the cop was a Tigers supporter he would have done a Rodney King on him. He is close to being as hated as Frawley was for the same reasons. Clinging on when his best days were a long time ago and he knows it.
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: mightytiges on March 25, 2008, 09:19:26 PM
I liked this comment on Nick's magpie forum:

Magpie fan 1: this must be the dumbest thing any AFL captain has ever done.

Magpie fan 2: what about moving from West Coast to Carlton

 ;D
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: WilliamPowell on March 25, 2008, 09:54:40 PM
not saying what sugar did was ok, cos it was disgusting and dogs behaviour, but wuld a cop that is a tiger supporter have arrested him if he CAUGHT  sugar in the act........i doubt it

I would tend to agree... the cops sometimes do strange things  ;D

Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: tiga on March 25, 2008, 10:57:12 PM
There is one very obvious thing we have all missed during this extensive banter.....Kane Johnson peeing on a large brick wall successfully....At least we all know now that he can HIT A TARGET!!!  :lol
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: julzqld on March 26, 2008, 09:12:38 AM
I liked this comment on Nick's magpie forum:

Magpie fan 1: this must be the dumbest thing any AFL captain has ever done.

Magpie fan 2: what about moving from West Coast to Carlton

 ;D
LOL
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
Post by: tigersalive on March 26, 2008, 10:39:24 AM
There is one very obvious thing we have all missed during this extensive banter.....Kane Johnson peeing on a large brick wall successfully....At least we all know now that he can HIT A TARGET!!!  :lol

Yeah but clearly the wrong target.  :banghead :rollin
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev / Out of North game plus $5,000 fine
Post by: Tigermonk on March 26, 2008, 03:59:50 PM
gee go for a holiday & everyones fussed about someone taking a leak.   If we aint all peeed in the open sometime in our lives
Get over it please get a life
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev / Out of North game plus $5,000 fine
Post by: mightytiges on March 26, 2008, 04:15:50 PM
gee go for a holiday & everyones fussed about someone taking a leak.   If we aint all peeed in the open sometime in our lives
Get over it please get a life
It's more as captain getting plastered during the season that was the concern rather than taking a leak down the alley way of a police station. But you're right TM time to move on. The club needs to refocus on the North game.
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev / Out of North game plus $5,000 fine
Post by: Ox on March 26, 2008, 04:35:13 PM
gee go for a holiday & everyones fussed about someone taking a leak.   If we aint all peeed in the open sometime in our lives
Get over it please get a life
It's more as captain getting plastered during the season that was the concern rather than taking a leak down the alley way of a police station. But you're right TM time to move on. The club needs to refocus on the North game.

the club has to.....we can abuse the action as much as we like.
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev / Out of North game plus $5,000 fine
Post by: Tigermonk on March 26, 2008, 04:37:53 PM
Richmond got no ban on drinking, was it not his birthday l bet he was with other people when he got busted anyway enough said its blown out all this fuss for a person having a leak which we are all forced to do cause the toilets are all locked

move on next topic
 
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev / Out of North game plus $5,000 fine
Post by: one-eyed on March 27, 2008, 03:45:29 AM
Neitz: Behave or face the AFL
Mark Stevens | March 27, 2008

MELBOURNE captain David Neitz has proposed a new off-field tribunal to help bring AFL bad boys into line with community standards.

In the most radical aspect of Neitz's blueprint to clean up player behaviour, serious cases would be sent before an independent AFL panel empowered to dish out suspensions and fines.

"There's a tribunal for on-field, there could be a tribunal for off-field," Neitz said yesterday.

"With guys at the moment, police are involved. Is there a need for an off-field tribunal?

"For extreme cases, maybe there could be something along those lines.

"I'm not saying it's the 100 per cent answer, but I think it needs to be looked into."

An off-field tribunal would lead to more uniformity in penalties and take some heat off club leadership groups.

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,23437389-19742,00.html
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev / Out of North game plus $5,000 fine
Post by: Ox on March 27, 2008, 04:46:53 AM
Neitz: Behave or face the AFL
Mark Stevens | March 27, 2008

MELBOURNE captain David Neitz has proposed a new off-field tribunal to help bring AFL bad boys into line with community standards.

In the most radical aspect of Neitz's blueprint to clean up player behaviour, serious cases would be sent before an independent AFL panel empowered to dish out suspensions and fines.

"There's a tribunal for on-field, there could be a tribunal for off-field," Neitz said yesterday.

"With guys at the moment, police are involved. Is there a need for an off-field tribunal?

"For extreme cases, maybe there could be something along those lines.

"I'm not saying it's the 100 per cent answer, but I think it needs to be looked into."

An off-field tribunal would lead to more uniformity in penalties and take some heat off club leadership groups.

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,23437389-19742,00.html

Yeh right,because an afl footballer should have a military style,judicial law system to hand down penalties.

FIK OFF !!

Just fire the disfunctional bogan pricks,

FFS - Do u want to lick their arses as well?
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev / Out of North game plus $5,000 fine
Post by: Francois Jackson on March 27, 2008, 10:11:08 AM
what this means is north will beat us this week if we stop talking about this crap and focus.


these are the kind of games we should win and at this stage id say we wont

Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev / Out of North game plus $5,000 fine
Post by: Smokey on March 27, 2008, 01:47:43 PM
what this means is north will beat us this week if we stop talking about this crap and focus.
I think you mean "not" beat us this week?

Quote
these are the kind of games we should win and at this stage id say we wont
Why?
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev / Out of North game plus $5,000 fine
Post by: Mr Magic on March 27, 2008, 02:54:14 PM
what this means is north will beat us this week if we stop talking about this crap and focus.


these are the kind of games we should win and at this stage id say we wont

Sadly our team are mentally weak.
Despite the fact that we should win they will see Kane's absence as an excuse to switch off.
Expect a loss. :P
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev / Out of North game plus $5,000 fine
Post by: mightytiges on March 27, 2008, 05:52:51 PM
I thought this off-field tribunal idea was a joke until Andy D said they are going to introduce it after discussing it at the next AFL commission meeting  :o  :help. What are they going to have a points system? wee on a wall = 93.5 demerit points  ???

Plough was asked about Sugar at the Eureka tower today - "got nothing more to say"
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev / Out of North game plus $5,000 fine
Post by: one-eyed on March 29, 2008, 03:31:52 AM
Saturday
The Insider | March 29, 2008

Saturday
WAS out at a pub in St Kilda Road with Kane Johnson and a few mates. We were having a fine old time, playing this game to see who could drink the most without going to the toilet. Then Kane said he was "going for a walk", but I knew he lived nearby and was probably going to sneak to his bathroom at home. So I hid his house keys. He must have been very annoyed when he found out, because he didn't come back. Hope he's not angry with me.

Thursday
WE STILL seem to be taking a lot of heat over AFL players and their social responsibilities. Frankly, I can't understand it. Look at the area of drug testing, for example. Just in the last fortnight alone, we've seen two high-profile players — Kane Johnson and Brenda Fevola — giving surprise samples in circumstances where nobody could reasonably have expected them to be doing so. Now that's social responsibility.

www.thebladder.com.au
Title: Benny Gale rates players 9.5 out of 10 (Herald-Sun)
Post by: one-eyed on March 29, 2008, 03:43:54 AM
Gale rates players 9.5 out of 10
Mike Sheahan | March 29, 2008

BRENDON Gale is a players' man, and not just for the most practical of reasons. While the players pay his wages as chief executive of their association, he also is a former Richmond ruckman of note (244 games from 1990-2001), so there's a spiritual bond.

"Benny", though, says his sympathy is based on merit, not driven by money or the brotherhood.

He is not blind to the errors and omissions of the oft-maligned player group, and admits to disappointment at the seemingly frequent revelations of anti-social behaviour.

Most recently, it was a Richmond player, club captain Kane Johnson, who again had commentators and many talkback callers wondering what, if anything, occurs above the shoulders of footballers after dark.

Some of us believe it to have been an outcry of extraordinary proportions given the nature of the offence, yet the timing indisputably was poor - taking relief anywhere other than a secured bathroom always was going to be a problem after Brendan Fevola's bizarre behaviour a week earlier.

Before Fevola and Johnson, there was Steve Johnson and Colin Sylvia and Nathan Carroll among others, oh, and a couple of former players by name of Carey and Cousins, for various reasons.

Yet, for all that, Gale gives the player group almost the perfect score for behaviour.

"Out of 10? I reckon 9 1/2," he says after due deliberation.

Is he objective? "Clearly, people would argue 'no'," he concedes.

"(But) I've played the game, I've been in the workforce in the commercial world, I've worked closely and socialised closely with guys of a similar demographic, and now I'm back working for the players, so I've had a good look at the community and I think I am reasonably objective.

"I reckon I've got a pretty good appreciation of what community standards are and I think players exceed them.

"You've got to remember they're being marked according to standards that don't apply to many other people."

Gale, who turns 40 in July, says footballers are marked too hard, yet understands why.

"We're part of a game that relies on incredible levels of public support and confidence in the game and its principal performers, its players.

"Given the faith and confidence the public vests in the players emotionally and commercially, and given the players benefit from that, we think the obligation should be higher.

"We expect that our players don't break the law, we expect that our players respect people and property.

"Without wanting to sound like a tool, I have three degrees, I spent probably 10 years at university.

"I've learnt more about life, about myself, about human nature, all that sort of stuff, at Richmond footy club playing AFL than I have at university.

"The things that I believe and (my) values have been drilled into me through footy, through my teammates and coaches, and I'm proud of that."

He is loath to sound puritanical, for his playing days aren't that long ago, the memories still vivid.

"I've gone out and pinned the ears back from time to time," he says with a tell-tale smile. No, he never fell foul of the law, but the culture was different during the 1990s.

"We'd play footy Friday, Saturday nights and then get out to the Boardwalk, Tunnel, on the gas."

He didn't, though, ever take relief in the street, did he? Surely not?

"I don't know about in the street, but maybe not always in a public amenity," he says.

Tasmanian-born Gale, a lawyer, admits: "I was a bit wild when I was young.

"I was one of eight (growing up in Burnie, Tasmania) and our parents split up when I was young. I was about 12 when Dad (All-Australian Don Gale) left home.

"From 12-19, I took my eye off the ball academically, I took my eye off the ball sporting-wise."

He said his first year of university in Hobart was a "very wild time".

"No responsibility whatsoever, a lot of alcohol, not too much uni. I might have also got whacked a couple of times, probably deserved it, too.

"Coming here to play with Richmond, getting into almost military regimentation, the focus on self-improvement and development, clicked your mind back into gear."

Given that backdrop, he is asked how he thinks he might respond if and when one of his two daughters (Isla, four, Eve, three) brings home a boy who happens to be a footballer.

"No problem. I'd like to think that - in 25 years' time - the guy will espouse the sorts of values they do now."

He says young men who don't improve in a football environment have deep-rooted problems.

"What I'm saying is if you've had four to five years in a footy club and you don't come out a better person, you've got issues."

Gale says the fierce public scrutiny and inevitable examples of negative publicity "overshadows the tremendous work the blokes are doing".

"(Former Essendon player) Mark Bolton - he should be canonised - Joel Bowden, Paul Licuria, Brodie Holland, that sort of bloke, they do a sensational job."

He says they drive the city streets on Wednesday night tending the homeless, 9pm-1am, all seasons.

Glenn Archer and the recalcitrant Fevola have ridden the same bus doing the same job, too.

Bolton and Bowden are driving an ambitious project that will lead to the player movement establishing centres for the homeless in every state in the country.

"There's players who do tremendous work in the community, and it's voluntary, it's not mandated.

"They do it because they want to do it, they get a sense of satisfaction out of it; it goes unnoticed.

"People say to me, 'Do certain players reflect poorly on the group?'

"My answer is I don't think they do, they reflect poorly on themselves."

Gale says perspective is lost when people comment on fines of $10,000 for Fevola and $5000 for Johnson.

"I've got mates who are criminal lawyers in the magys (magistrates) courts every day; they just can't believe it, the double standards.

"We're talking up to $5000 for a first offence, up to $10,000 for a persistent breach or second offence, and even more if the player's misconduct results in pecuniary loss to his club (loss of sponsor).

"Ten thousand bucks, that's a substantial amount of money."

On Fevola and Johnson, he said simply: "Guys make mistakes.

"I was really disappointed for Kane. As a former Richmond player, I was aware of the personal investment he made in the leadership.

"Brendan, I don't know him that well, but, from the involvement I've had with him, I like him.

"I reckon he's a good fella, humble, humorous.

"It's just disappointing Brendan hasn't been able to learn from his previous experiences."

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,23448399-19742,00.html
Title: Nothing golden about footballers' public showers (The Australian)
Post by: one-eyed on April 01, 2008, 03:29:41 AM
An article in today's Australian that mentions Sugar

Nothing golden about footballers' public showers
THE WRY SIDE: Louise Evans | April 01, 2008

YOU are 10km into a 14km fun run and all you can think about is your full bladder.

If you are female, you run to the next Portaloo stop and join the long queue, knowing your bid for a personal best time has fallen victim to that energy drink you had before the race.

If you are a bloke, you take one look at the Portaloo queue and find the nearest tree or bush, knowing that a 60-second pit stop won't damage your time or bragging rights after the race.

If you are a professional footballer you take one look at the Portaloo queue and find the nearest drink station or cop car and pee on that in full view of everyone.

Footballers reckon they get a raw deal when it comes to urinating in public. They reckon everyone does it and only they get arrested because they have a famous face. But this is what's called taking the pee.

Once you are toilet trained you are supposed to pee in a toilet. There are, of course, exceptions to this rule. No one seems to object to letting their wee go free in the sea. Peeing in a pool, however, is considered disgusting, unless of course it's the toddler pool, which always seems to be the colour of lemon-lime cordial.

But in the years between when you stop wearing nappies and start using incontinence pants, urinating in public is considered offensive and bad for community hygiene.

Because of the way our plumbing is configured you don't tend to see women peeing in public. If there is no toilet, women seek a screen - a tree trunk, bush, rock, embankment - anything to hide the fact they are squatting.

Men are less inhibited, especially when inebriated. They pee in public because, like dogs, they can. But unlike dogs, for men it's about convenience, even laziness, rather than a hardwired need to mark their territory.

If nature calls and there is no toilet in the vicinity men look to nature to solve the problem. Whether they are in the great outdoors or at a barbecue, the nearest pot plant or nature strip will cop a spray.

Men are also relaxed about doing this in packs, beer in one hand. They call it multitasking. Their idea of a privacy screen is to turn their backs.

If challenged about their alleged inappropriate behaviour men will blame nature, the beer or even their mothers for teaching them when they were little that it was safer to pee on the shopping centre's garden bed than venture alone into a scary public men's toilet.

Then there are the professional footballers who don't seem to care where they pee in public. Unlike the rest of the species, police charge sheets reveal they do it in full view of the passing parade and on non-absorbent man-made surfaces: on a bar, restaurant door, pub wall, even on a cop shop. They are arrested and fined not because they are famous but because they are stupid.

On Sunday, AFL Richmond team captain Kane Johnson, 30, missed playing his 100th game for the Tigers because he was arrested for urinating outside the St Kilda Road police station in Melbourne at 2am after celebrating his 30th birthday. The front-page headline in Melbourne's Herald Sun read: "Tinkle, tinkle Tiger star".

Johnson admitted to his own "stupidity" and volunteered to sit out Sunday's match as his penalty. The club fined him $5000 for spending a penny and in his absence the Tigers were thumped by the Kangaroos.

Johnson's arrest came a week after Carlton fined their kuckleheaded star Brendan Fevola, 27, $10,000 and stood him down from its leadership group for urinating on the window of a Melbourne nightclub.

Last month National Rugby League player Willie Mason was fined for urinating in a public place days before his first game for his new club, the Sydney Roosters. Mason, 27, and teammate Anthony Tupou, 24, were issued infringement notices by Port Macquarie police after they allegedly urinated by the side of a road.

Last year in June, one of the NRL's biggest stars, Sonny Bill Williams, 22, was nabbed by police for urinating on a wall near a nightclub in Sydney's Cronulla and handed an infringement notice and fine of $750. The urinating footballers rap sheet goes on and on, but you get the drift.

One way to stop footballers being public piddlers would be to issue them with incontinence pants when they go out for a night on the town.

A better way would be to get the drug testers to work in conjunction with the police. The threat of having their fresh urine sample collected from the pavement and tested for banned substances might just stop footballers taking the pee.

 evansl@theaustralian.com.au

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23461878-23375,00.html
Title: Sugar gets community work for public urination
Post by: one-eyed on April 22, 2008, 02:23:25 PM
Richmond's Kane Johnson gets community work for public urination
Katie Bice
April 22, 2008 01:10pm

RICHMOND captain Kane Johnson has been ordered to perform eight hours community work for urinating on the wall of the St Kilda Rd police complex.

Johnson, 30, appeared in Melbourne Magistrates' Court this morning and was dealt with through the diversion program which allows first-time offenders to avoid a criminal record.

He was caught in the act on March 23 by a policewoman and her colleague as he made his way home from celebrating his 30th birthday with family and friends.

Johnson admitted charges of offensive behaviour and being drunk in a public place.

He suspended himself for a week and the club fined him $5000.

Magistrate Simon Garnett said Johnson had suffered "quite a deal of public embarrassment" as a result of the incident.

"A day you would probably prefer to forget," he said.

Johnson replied: "Yes I would."

Mr Garnett said Johnson's actions were particularly silly after Carlton star Brendan Fevola was caught on security camera urinating on a bar window a week earlier.

The court heard Johnson had written a letter of apology to Victoria Police.

Outside court Johnson said he was relieved the matter was finalised.

"It's obviously been a very difficult few weeks for myself, and obviously for the Richmond Footy Club and everyone involved and we are just looking forward to getting on with the footy season because its has been a pretty positive start for us," he said.

"I know that my job as captain is not to get in these sort of situations and I won't be doing that in the future."

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23580274-661,00.html
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev / Out of North game plus $5,000 fine
Post by: Tigermonk on April 22, 2008, 02:43:01 PM
l dont beleive this FKing justice system

the guy wrote a letter of apoligy & gets hang out by the media & football public, gets a heafty fine from the club + missed a game.
Publicly apoligized on television for his action would have been enough
This prick of a justice system cant let him off cause he was taking a leak on his birthday & his mates had his keys.
But a bogan like Cory Worthington gets off & treated like a prince that FW should be locked up his Australias biggest clown
WTF is Australia coming too

l would appeal that judgement

first time offender
The coppers are a joke to take it this far
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev / Out of North game plus $5,000 fine
Post by: Francois Jackson on April 22, 2008, 03:32:22 PM
l dont beleive this FKing justice system

the guy wrote a letter of apoligy & gets hang out by the media & football public, gets a heafty fine from the club + missed a game.
Publicly apoligized on television for his action would have been enough
This prick of a justice system cant let him off cause he was taking a leak on his birthday & his mates had his keys.
But a bogan like Cory Worthington gets off & treated like a prince that FW should be locked up his Australias biggest clown
WTF is Australia coming too

l would appeal that judgement

first time offender
The coppers are a joke to take it this far

u know what tm i never thought about it like that.

how bad is our system. what a joke..
Title: Re: Sugar gets community work for public urination
Post by: Smokey on April 22, 2008, 03:48:38 PM
Outside court Johnson said he was relieved ..........
I hope he didn't mean that literally!!!   :o
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev / Out of North game plus $5,000 fine
Post by: mjs on April 22, 2008, 07:54:23 PM
Mr Garnett said Johnson's actions were particularly silly after Carlton star Brendan Fevola was caught on security camera urinating on a bar window a week earlier.

Some of these magistrates are completely out of order - I must have missed Fevola's court appearance for a similar offence. Or hang on - maybe he wasn't charged? What right has a magistrate to bring up an unrelated offence that was never the subject of police involvement?
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev / Out of North game plus $5,000 fine
Post by: mightytiges on April 22, 2008, 09:52:49 PM
Surprised he was ordered to do anything. Didn't Sugar volunteer to do some community work anyway the day after he got sprung?

Agree mjs. What Fevola did is irrelevant to Sugar's case.
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev / Out of North game plus $5,000 fine
Post by: one-eyed on April 23, 2008, 04:24:50 AM
Johnson is going the community work with the Salvation Army according to the Age.
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev / Out of North game plus $5,000 fine
Post by: 1965 on April 23, 2008, 04:36:04 AM
Mr Garnett said Johnson's actions were particularly silly after Carlton star Brendan Fevola was caught on security camera urinating on a bar window a week earlier.

Some of these magistrates are completely out of order - I must have missed Fevola's court appearance for a similar offence. Or hang on - maybe he wasn't charged? What right has a magistrate to bring up an unrelated offence that was never the subject of police involvement?

I thought the magistrate was very lenient.

Once this reached the courts it could not have been thrown out given the publicity of the case.

The court system isn't perfect but it is a whole lot better than most of the countries around the world.
Title: Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev / Out of North game plus $5,000 fine
Post by: mightytiges on April 23, 2008, 09:54:28 PM
Mr Garnett said Johnson's actions were particularly silly after Carlton star Brendan Fevola was caught on security camera urinating on a bar window a week earlier.

Some of these magistrates are completely out of order - I must have missed Fevola's court appearance for a similar offence. Or hang on - maybe he wasn't charged? What right has a magistrate to bring up an unrelated offence that was never the subject of police involvement?

I thought the magistrate was very lenient.

Once this reached the courts it could not have been thrown out given the publicity of the case.

The court system isn't perfect but it is a whole lot better than most of the countries around the world.

The publicity of the case shouldn't affect the final penalty though. The penalty for same crime should be the same for everyone within reason.