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Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev
« Reply #165 on: March 26, 2008, 10:39:24 AM »
There is one very obvious thing we have all missed during this extensive banter.....Kane Johnson peeing on a large brick wall successfully....At least we all know now that he can HIT A TARGET!!!  :lol

Yeah but clearly the wrong target.  :banghead :rollin
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Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev / Out of North game plus $5,000 fine
« Reply #166 on: March 26, 2008, 03:59:50 PM »
gee go for a holiday & everyones fussed about someone taking a leak.   If we aint all peeed in the open sometime in our lives
Get over it please get a life

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Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev / Out of North game plus $5,000 fine
« Reply #167 on: March 26, 2008, 04:15:50 PM »
gee go for a holiday & everyones fussed about someone taking a leak.   If we aint all peeed in the open sometime in our lives
Get over it please get a life
It's more as captain getting plastered during the season that was the concern rather than taking a leak down the alley way of a police station. But you're right TM time to move on. The club needs to refocus on the North game.
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Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev / Out of North game plus $5,000 fine
« Reply #168 on: March 26, 2008, 04:35:13 PM »
gee go for a holiday & everyones fussed about someone taking a leak.   If we aint all peeed in the open sometime in our lives
Get over it please get a life
It's more as captain getting plastered during the season that was the concern rather than taking a leak down the alley way of a police station. But you're right TM time to move on. The club needs to refocus on the North game.

the club has to.....we can abuse the action as much as we like.

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Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev / Out of North game plus $5,000 fine
« Reply #169 on: March 26, 2008, 04:37:53 PM »
Richmond got no ban on drinking, was it not his birthday l bet he was with other people when he got busted anyway enough said its blown out all this fuss for a person having a leak which we are all forced to do cause the toilets are all locked

move on next topic
 

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Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev / Out of North game plus $5,000 fine
« Reply #170 on: March 27, 2008, 03:45:29 AM »
Neitz: Behave or face the AFL
Mark Stevens | March 27, 2008

MELBOURNE captain David Neitz has proposed a new off-field tribunal to help bring AFL bad boys into line with community standards.

In the most radical aspect of Neitz's blueprint to clean up player behaviour, serious cases would be sent before an independent AFL panel empowered to dish out suspensions and fines.

"There's a tribunal for on-field, there could be a tribunal for off-field," Neitz said yesterday.

"With guys at the moment, police are involved. Is there a need for an off-field tribunal?

"For extreme cases, maybe there could be something along those lines.

"I'm not saying it's the 100 per cent answer, but I think it needs to be looked into."

An off-field tribunal would lead to more uniformity in penalties and take some heat off club leadership groups.

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,23437389-19742,00.html

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Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev / Out of North game plus $5,000 fine
« Reply #171 on: March 27, 2008, 04:46:53 AM »
Neitz: Behave or face the AFL
Mark Stevens | March 27, 2008

MELBOURNE captain David Neitz has proposed a new off-field tribunal to help bring AFL bad boys into line with community standards.

In the most radical aspect of Neitz's blueprint to clean up player behaviour, serious cases would be sent before an independent AFL panel empowered to dish out suspensions and fines.

"There's a tribunal for on-field, there could be a tribunal for off-field," Neitz said yesterday.

"With guys at the moment, police are involved. Is there a need for an off-field tribunal?

"For extreme cases, maybe there could be something along those lines.

"I'm not saying it's the 100 per cent answer, but I think it needs to be looked into."

An off-field tribunal would lead to more uniformity in penalties and take some heat off club leadership groups.

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,23437389-19742,00.html

Yeh right,because an afl footballer should have a military style,judicial law system to hand down penalties.

FIK OFF !!

Just fire the disfunctional bogan pricks,

FFS - Do u want to lick their arses as well?

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Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev / Out of North game plus $5,000 fine
« Reply #172 on: March 27, 2008, 10:11:08 AM »
what this means is north will beat us this week if we stop talking about this crap and focus.


these are the kind of games we should win and at this stage id say we wont

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Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev / Out of North game plus $5,000 fine
« Reply #173 on: March 27, 2008, 01:47:43 PM »
what this means is north will beat us this week if we stop talking about this crap and focus.
I think you mean "not" beat us this week?

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these are the kind of games we should win and at this stage id say we wont
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Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev / Out of North game plus $5,000 fine
« Reply #174 on: March 27, 2008, 02:54:14 PM »
what this means is north will beat us this week if we stop talking about this crap and focus.


these are the kind of games we should win and at this stage id say we wont

Sadly our team are mentally weak.
Despite the fact that we should win they will see Kane's absence as an excuse to switch off.
Expect a loss. :P

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Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev / Out of North game plus $5,000 fine
« Reply #175 on: March 27, 2008, 05:52:51 PM »
I thought this off-field tribunal idea was a joke until Andy D said they are going to introduce it after discussing it at the next AFL commission meeting  :o  :help. What are they going to have a points system? wee on a wall = 93.5 demerit points  ???

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Re: Sugar in strife doing a Fev / Out of North game plus $5,000 fine
« Reply #176 on: March 29, 2008, 03:31:52 AM »
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The Insider | March 29, 2008

Saturday
WAS out at a pub in St Kilda Road with Kane Johnson and a few mates. We were having a fine old time, playing this game to see who could drink the most without going to the toilet. Then Kane said he was "going for a walk", but I knew he lived nearby and was probably going to sneak to his bathroom at home. So I hid his house keys. He must have been very annoyed when he found out, because he didn't come back. Hope he's not angry with me.

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WE STILL seem to be taking a lot of heat over AFL players and their social responsibilities. Frankly, I can't understand it. Look at the area of drug testing, for example. Just in the last fortnight alone, we've seen two high-profile players — Kane Johnson and Brenda Fevola — giving surprise samples in circumstances where nobody could reasonably have expected them to be doing so. Now that's social responsibility.

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Benny Gale rates players 9.5 out of 10 (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #177 on: March 29, 2008, 03:43:54 AM »
Gale rates players 9.5 out of 10
Mike Sheahan | March 29, 2008

BRENDON Gale is a players' man, and not just for the most practical of reasons. While the players pay his wages as chief executive of their association, he also is a former Richmond ruckman of note (244 games from 1990-2001), so there's a spiritual bond.

"Benny", though, says his sympathy is based on merit, not driven by money or the brotherhood.

He is not blind to the errors and omissions of the oft-maligned player group, and admits to disappointment at the seemingly frequent revelations of anti-social behaviour.

Most recently, it was a Richmond player, club captain Kane Johnson, who again had commentators and many talkback callers wondering what, if anything, occurs above the shoulders of footballers after dark.

Some of us believe it to have been an outcry of extraordinary proportions given the nature of the offence, yet the timing indisputably was poor - taking relief anywhere other than a secured bathroom always was going to be a problem after Brendan Fevola's bizarre behaviour a week earlier.

Before Fevola and Johnson, there was Steve Johnson and Colin Sylvia and Nathan Carroll among others, oh, and a couple of former players by name of Carey and Cousins, for various reasons.

Yet, for all that, Gale gives the player group almost the perfect score for behaviour.

"Out of 10? I reckon 9 1/2," he says after due deliberation.

Is he objective? "Clearly, people would argue 'no'," he concedes.

"(But) I've played the game, I've been in the workforce in the commercial world, I've worked closely and socialised closely with guys of a similar demographic, and now I'm back working for the players, so I've had a good look at the community and I think I am reasonably objective.

"I reckon I've got a pretty good appreciation of what community standards are and I think players exceed them.

"You've got to remember they're being marked according to standards that don't apply to many other people."

Gale, who turns 40 in July, says footballers are marked too hard, yet understands why.

"We're part of a game that relies on incredible levels of public support and confidence in the game and its principal performers, its players.

"Given the faith and confidence the public vests in the players emotionally and commercially, and given the players benefit from that, we think the obligation should be higher.

"We expect that our players don't break the law, we expect that our players respect people and property.

"Without wanting to sound like a tool, I have three degrees, I spent probably 10 years at university.

"I've learnt more about life, about myself, about human nature, all that sort of stuff, at Richmond footy club playing AFL than I have at university.

"The things that I believe and (my) values have been drilled into me through footy, through my teammates and coaches, and I'm proud of that."

He is loath to sound puritanical, for his playing days aren't that long ago, the memories still vivid.

"I've gone out and pinned the ears back from time to time," he says with a tell-tale smile. No, he never fell foul of the law, but the culture was different during the 1990s.

"We'd play footy Friday, Saturday nights and then get out to the Boardwalk, Tunnel, on the gas."

He didn't, though, ever take relief in the street, did he? Surely not?

"I don't know about in the street, but maybe not always in a public amenity," he says.

Tasmanian-born Gale, a lawyer, admits: "I was a bit wild when I was young.

"I was one of eight (growing up in Burnie, Tasmania) and our parents split up when I was young. I was about 12 when Dad (All-Australian Don Gale) left home.

"From 12-19, I took my eye off the ball academically, I took my eye off the ball sporting-wise."

He said his first year of university in Hobart was a "very wild time".

"No responsibility whatsoever, a lot of alcohol, not too much uni. I might have also got whacked a couple of times, probably deserved it, too.

"Coming here to play with Richmond, getting into almost military regimentation, the focus on self-improvement and development, clicked your mind back into gear."

Given that backdrop, he is asked how he thinks he might respond if and when one of his two daughters (Isla, four, Eve, three) brings home a boy who happens to be a footballer.

"No problem. I'd like to think that - in 25 years' time - the guy will espouse the sorts of values they do now."

He says young men who don't improve in a football environment have deep-rooted problems.

"What I'm saying is if you've had four to five years in a footy club and you don't come out a better person, you've got issues."

Gale says the fierce public scrutiny and inevitable examples of negative publicity "overshadows the tremendous work the blokes are doing".

"(Former Essendon player) Mark Bolton - he should be canonised - Joel Bowden, Paul Licuria, Brodie Holland, that sort of bloke, they do a sensational job."

He says they drive the city streets on Wednesday night tending the homeless, 9pm-1am, all seasons.

Glenn Archer and the recalcitrant Fevola have ridden the same bus doing the same job, too.

Bolton and Bowden are driving an ambitious project that will lead to the player movement establishing centres for the homeless in every state in the country.

"There's players who do tremendous work in the community, and it's voluntary, it's not mandated.

"They do it because they want to do it, they get a sense of satisfaction out of it; it goes unnoticed.

"People say to me, 'Do certain players reflect poorly on the group?'

"My answer is I don't think they do, they reflect poorly on themselves."

Gale says perspective is lost when people comment on fines of $10,000 for Fevola and $5000 for Johnson.

"I've got mates who are criminal lawyers in the magys (magistrates) courts every day; they just can't believe it, the double standards.

"We're talking up to $5000 for a first offence, up to $10,000 for a persistent breach or second offence, and even more if the player's misconduct results in pecuniary loss to his club (loss of sponsor).

"Ten thousand bucks, that's a substantial amount of money."

On Fevola and Johnson, he said simply: "Guys make mistakes.

"I was really disappointed for Kane. As a former Richmond player, I was aware of the personal investment he made in the leadership.

"Brendan, I don't know him that well, but, from the involvement I've had with him, I like him.

"I reckon he's a good fella, humble, humorous.

"It's just disappointing Brendan hasn't been able to learn from his previous experiences."

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,23448399-19742,00.html

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Nothing golden about footballers' public showers (The Australian)
« Reply #178 on: April 01, 2008, 03:29:41 AM »
An article in today's Australian that mentions Sugar

Nothing golden about footballers' public showers
THE WRY SIDE: Louise Evans | April 01, 2008

YOU are 10km into a 14km fun run and all you can think about is your full bladder.

If you are female, you run to the next Portaloo stop and join the long queue, knowing your bid for a personal best time has fallen victim to that energy drink you had before the race.

If you are a bloke, you take one look at the Portaloo queue and find the nearest tree or bush, knowing that a 60-second pit stop won't damage your time or bragging rights after the race.

If you are a professional footballer you take one look at the Portaloo queue and find the nearest drink station or cop car and pee on that in full view of everyone.

Footballers reckon they get a raw deal when it comes to urinating in public. They reckon everyone does it and only they get arrested because they have a famous face. But this is what's called taking the pee.

Once you are toilet trained you are supposed to pee in a toilet. There are, of course, exceptions to this rule. No one seems to object to letting their wee go free in the sea. Peeing in a pool, however, is considered disgusting, unless of course it's the toddler pool, which always seems to be the colour of lemon-lime cordial.

But in the years between when you stop wearing nappies and start using incontinence pants, urinating in public is considered offensive and bad for community hygiene.

Because of the way our plumbing is configured you don't tend to see women peeing in public. If there is no toilet, women seek a screen - a tree trunk, bush, rock, embankment - anything to hide the fact they are squatting.

Men are less inhibited, especially when inebriated. They pee in public because, like dogs, they can. But unlike dogs, for men it's about convenience, even laziness, rather than a hardwired need to mark their territory.

If nature calls and there is no toilet in the vicinity men look to nature to solve the problem. Whether they are in the great outdoors or at a barbecue, the nearest pot plant or nature strip will cop a spray.

Men are also relaxed about doing this in packs, beer in one hand. They call it multitasking. Their idea of a privacy screen is to turn their backs.

If challenged about their alleged inappropriate behaviour men will blame nature, the beer or even their mothers for teaching them when they were little that it was safer to pee on the shopping centre's garden bed than venture alone into a scary public men's toilet.

Then there are the professional footballers who don't seem to care where they pee in public. Unlike the rest of the species, police charge sheets reveal they do it in full view of the passing parade and on non-absorbent man-made surfaces: on a bar, restaurant door, pub wall, even on a cop shop. They are arrested and fined not because they are famous but because they are stupid.

On Sunday, AFL Richmond team captain Kane Johnson, 30, missed playing his 100th game for the Tigers because he was arrested for urinating outside the St Kilda Road police station in Melbourne at 2am after celebrating his 30th birthday. The front-page headline in Melbourne's Herald Sun read: "Tinkle, tinkle Tiger star".

Johnson admitted to his own "stupidity" and volunteered to sit out Sunday's match as his penalty. The club fined him $5000 for spending a penny and in his absence the Tigers were thumped by the Kangaroos.

Johnson's arrest came a week after Carlton fined their kuckleheaded star Brendan Fevola, 27, $10,000 and stood him down from its leadership group for urinating on the window of a Melbourne nightclub.

Last month National Rugby League player Willie Mason was fined for urinating in a public place days before his first game for his new club, the Sydney Roosters. Mason, 27, and teammate Anthony Tupou, 24, were issued infringement notices by Port Macquarie police after they allegedly urinated by the side of a road.

Last year in June, one of the NRL's biggest stars, Sonny Bill Williams, 22, was nabbed by police for urinating on a wall near a nightclub in Sydney's Cronulla and handed an infringement notice and fine of $750. The urinating footballers rap sheet goes on and on, but you get the drift.

One way to stop footballers being public piddlers would be to issue them with incontinence pants when they go out for a night on the town.

A better way would be to get the drug testers to work in conjunction with the police. The threat of having their fresh urine sample collected from the pavement and tested for banned substances might just stop footballers taking the pee.

 evansl@theaustralian.com.au

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23461878-23375,00.html

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Sugar gets community work for public urination
« Reply #179 on: April 22, 2008, 02:23:25 PM »
Richmond's Kane Johnson gets community work for public urination
Katie Bice
April 22, 2008 01:10pm

RICHMOND captain Kane Johnson has been ordered to perform eight hours community work for urinating on the wall of the St Kilda Rd police complex.

Johnson, 30, appeared in Melbourne Magistrates' Court this morning and was dealt with through the diversion program which allows first-time offenders to avoid a criminal record.

He was caught in the act on March 23 by a policewoman and her colleague as he made his way home from celebrating his 30th birthday with family and friends.

Johnson admitted charges of offensive behaviour and being drunk in a public place.

He suspended himself for a week and the club fined him $5000.

Magistrate Simon Garnett said Johnson had suffered "quite a deal of public embarrassment" as a result of the incident.

"A day you would probably prefer to forget," he said.

Johnson replied: "Yes I would."

Mr Garnett said Johnson's actions were particularly silly after Carlton star Brendan Fevola was caught on security camera urinating on a bar window a week earlier.

The court heard Johnson had written a letter of apology to Victoria Police.

Outside court Johnson said he was relieved the matter was finalised.

"It's obviously been a very difficult few weeks for myself, and obviously for the Richmond Footy Club and everyone involved and we are just looking forward to getting on with the footy season because its has been a pretty positive start for us," he said.

"I know that my job as captain is not to get in these sort of situations and I won't be doing that in the future."

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23580274-661,00.html