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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on May 14, 2008, 02:41:53 PM
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Suffered hammy soreness after training today. Club saying he's out for several weeks :(.
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I am fearing the worst.
Cogs may well retire this year.
Cruel game.
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poo happens, trade him for mundy
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pooh happens, trade him for mundy
I would suggest Cogs doesn't have much trade value at all atm.
You have to question why he was signed for two years.
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2008 & 9? If so the club will lose a lot of money out of this one. If he stays he is costing us more than if he goes dues to medical costs but if he stays he may come good...it is a cruel game isn't it. Even if he recovers, which is becoming more and more unlikely as time progresses, he may never get the fitness or speed to return.
I think Cogs will unfortunately become just another potential star that never kicked on after one or two glorious seasons.
Sad really :'(
Stripes
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More bad luck for Tiger Coughlan
richmondfc.com.au
By Ben Broad
3:21 PM Wed 14 May, 2008
RICHMOND midfielder Mark Coughlan’s bid to return to AFL football has suffered yet another setback, with the Tigers star suffering a hamstring injury at training on Wednesday.
Coughlan, who played his first match in 99 weeks on Saturday after overcoming two knee reconstructions, was hoping to continue his comeback with another stint at VFL level for Coburg this week.
Tigers officials say he pulled up well from Coburg’s impressive win over Collingwood but is now set for another few weeks on the sidelines with his latest injury.
The Tigers released a statement on Wednesday afternoon, saying Coughlan “experienced soreness in his hamstring following today’s session at Punt Road Oval.”
It said: “The club expects Mark to miss several weeks. The club will continue to investigate all possible methods of rehabilitation to help Mark return to senior football.”
The setback comes as another blow for the courageous 26-year-old, who won the Jack Dyer medal in 2003 as the club’s best and fairest player.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/Season2007/News/NewsArticle/tabid/6301/Default.aspx?newsId=59582
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Quentin.
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when is he contracted too ???
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:rollin :rollin where all the big mouths thats critcised me now
Richmond will never learn from keeping broken players
:thumbsup
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pooh happens, trade him for mundy
u wouldn't even get a Sundy for him now
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pooh happens, trade him for mundy
u wouldn't even get a Sundy for him now
:lol :lol :lol :thumbsup good for a laugh OX
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:rollin :rollin where all the big mouths thats critcised me now
Richmond will never learn from keeping broken players
:thumbsup
Here I am TM.
Your original point:
"Coughlan is finished & RFC should have traded him & not on our list this year, he is a wasted space & will never pull a Tiger jumper on again. His injury prone & by the time he gets used of playing 4 quarter football again he will not be good enough to push out the younger players of which he once used to be. his given us no service since winning the JD medal & l class him as one of those one year players"
And mine:
"No-one on this forum has a functioning crystal ball that can tell us if Coughlan's injury will prevent him from becoming the player he was - FACT.
The truth of whether Coughlan is "gawn" or not will only be known in hindsight, probably not until near the end of this season at the earliest and quite possibly not until well into next season - REALITY."
What's changed?
And can you please list which broken players we kept that we could have got rid of?
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when is he contracted too ???
Cogs is contracted until the end of 2009. You'd think this year is a write off now. 3rd time for his hammy so at least another 6-8 weeks off :(.
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:rollin :rollin where all the big mouths thats critcised me now
Richmond will never learn from keeping broken players
:thumbsup
Here I am TM.
Your original point:
"Coughlan is finished & RFC should have traded him & not on our list this year, he is a wasted space & will never pull a Tiger jumper on again. His injury prone & by the time he gets used of playing 4 quarter football again he will not be good enough to push out the younger players of which he once used to be. his given us no service since winning the JD medal & l class him as one of those one year players"
And mine:
"No-one on this forum has a functioning crystal ball that can tell us if Coughlan's injury will prevent him from becoming the player he was - FACT.
The truth of whether Coughlan is "gawn" or not will only be known in hindsight, probably not until near the end of this season at the earliest and quite possibly not until well into next season - REALITY."
What's changed?
And can you please list which broken players we kept that we could have got rid of?
l find that part in red very amusing l'm sure many others will also
you must be very young or deluded Tiger supporter :lol but Danny Meyer is one to start with, the rest you can do research on yourself l cant be bothered with you anymore, l throw in Dragacevic as another just to help you
:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
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when is he contracted too ???
Cogs is contracted until the end of 2009. You'd think this year is a write off now. 3rd time for his hammy so at least another 6-8 weeks off :(.
strange that l said a few days ago, he need another 8 weeks off just to get over his small part 10 possie VFL game ;D
seriously Coughlan needs to be put on the long term injury list & a rookie elevated & let him work with a personal trainer
l think a serious look into the way our clubs rehab staff are going about getting these players back from injury
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Quentin.
(http://thecia.com.au/reviews/d/images/dr-plonk-9.jpg)
Hey OX is this little critter still alive, he ended up a grumpy bugger :lol
how old would he be
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And can you please list which broken players we kept that we could have got rid of?
l find that part in red very amusing l'm sure many others will also
you must be very young or deluded Tiger supporter
Aaahh, the old "I've got 30+ years experience" chestnut. You must be struggling because last time you trotted that out you had nothing of value left to say.
:lol but Danny Meyer is one to start with, the rest you can do research on yourself l cant be bothered with you anymore, l throw in Dragacevic as another just to help you
:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Why would we get rid of Danny Meyer?
He is still contracted and worth nothing as a trade. May as well keep him and see if he can overcome his injuries surely?
Why would we have got rid of Marc Dragacevic before his injury?
He was very promising before it and worth nothing after so again untradeable. He was delisted when his contract ran out so where did the club have a chance to get rid of him prior to that?
Why would we have got rid of Gaspar before his injury? He was the incumbent All-Australian CHB and on a 5 year contract when he did his knee and nowhere near the same footballer when he came back - untradeable. We got rid of him when his contract was due to run out so where did the club have a chance to get rid of him prior to that?
Why would we have got rid of Hall before his injury? He was the only tall utility we had in our squad and his injuries only took hold within the term of his last contract to the point where he was unable to take the field - untradeable. We got rid of him when his contract ran out so where did the club have a chance to get rid of him prior to that.
But.......we did very, very well with David Rodan didn't we? Getting rid of him before we knew unequivocally if he would come back from his knee has been an astute piece of work hasn't it.
Typical of you TM, make a statement full of bluster and no substance and then have nothing to back it up. The only one we had an opportunity to offload for anything post-injury was Rodan and it looks like we stuffed that one. There is the main difference between your point of view and mine - I WILL do some research to see if my opinion stacks up, you won't/don't/can't whatever.
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2008 & 9? If so the club will lose a lot of money out of this one. If he stays he is costing us more than if he goes dues to medical costs but if he stays he may come good...it is a cruel game isn't it. Even if he recovers, which is becoming more and more unlikely as time progresses, he may never get the fitness or speed to return.
I think Cogs will unfortunately become just another potential star that never kicked on after one or two glorious seasons.
Sad really :'(
Stripes
thats terrible news.
i know it happens to other clubs as well but it seems we always draw the short straw.
freezer back in the day and now cogs. 2 potential 300 game players now most likely gone
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2008 & 9? If so the club will lose a lot of money out of this one. If he stays he is costing us more than if he goes dues to medical costs but if he stays he may come good...it is a cruel game isn't it. Even if he recovers, which is becoming more and more unlikely as time progresses, he may never get the fitness or speed to return.
I think Cogs will unfortunately become just another potential star that never kicked on after one or two glorious seasons.
Sad really :'(
Stripes
thats terrible news.
i know it happens to other clubs as well but it seems we always draw the short straw.
freezer back in the day and now cogs. 2 potential 300 game players now most likely gone
What you say is mostly right and it is very unfortunate for the player, the club and football in general when it happens to genuine stars. I don't know that we have had any more misfortune than other clubs - 2 of these players in 15 odd years doesn't seem a lot but I think we notice it much more because we have been starved of success with not many of these types in the club, so when it does happen it stands out. A damn shame about Freezer and looking more likely a damn shame about Cogs.
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Quentin.
(http://thecia.com.au/reviews/d/images/dr-plonk-9.jpg)
Hey OX is this little critter still alive, he ended up a grumpy bugger :lol
how old would he be
He's 33 and here's his webbie -lol
http://www.q.kenihan.net/ (http://www.q.kenihan.net/)
Yeh,i remember him being a grumpy little,arrogant turd a few years back.
LMAO@ That.
The picture is apparently from a movie he was in - Great Aussie Pic,imo.
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And can you please list which broken players we kept that we could have got rid of?
l find that part in red very amusing l'm sure many others will also
you must be very young or deluded Tiger supporter
Aaahh, the old "I've got 30+ years experience" chestnut. You must be struggling because last time you trotted that out you had nothing of value left to say.
:lol but Danny Meyer is one to start with, the rest you can do research on yourself l cant be bothered with you anymore, l throw in Dragacevic as another just to help you
:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Why would we get rid of Danny Meyer?
He is still contracted and worth nothing as a trade. May as well keep him and see if he can overcome his injuries surely?
Why would we have got rid of Marc Dragacevic before his injury?
He was very promising before it and worth nothing after so again untradeable. He was delisted when his contract ran out so where did the club have a chance to get rid of him prior to that?
Why would we have got rid of Gaspar before his injury? He was the incumbent All-Australian CHB and on a 5 year contract when he did his knee and nowhere near the same footballer when he came back - untradeable. We got rid of him when his contract was due to run out so where did the club have a chance to get rid of him prior to that?
Why would we have got rid of Hall before his injury? He was the only tall utility we had in our squad and his injuries only took hold within the term of his last contract to the point where he was unable to take the field - untradeable. We got rid of him when his contract ran out so where did the club have a chance to get rid of him prior to that.
But.......we did very, very well with David Rodan didn't we? Getting rid of him before we knew unequivocally if he would come back from his knee has been an astute piece of work hasn't it.
Typical of you TM, make a statement full of bluster and no substance and then have nothing to back it up. The only one we had an opportunity to offload for anything post-injury was Rodan and it looks like we stuffed that one. There is the main difference between your point of view and mine - I WILL do some research to see if my opinion stacks up, you won't/don't/can't whatever.
:rollin :rollin you are a deluded supporter & know pooh
oh l made a statement about Coughlan you said his superfit :rollin :rollin l said his career is finished & looks like l hold the cards ;D
his broken again ;D how much time is he going to be off this time. he aint given the club any playing time since R12 2006, his head is on the chopping block & he aint going too well for someone superfit with broken body
Richmond is a buisness & his dead money & costing a valuable spot, holding up someones career, you cannot keep someone on a list who dont play football no matter who they are & thats why Richmond lose money for making bad decision
l'm sorry your love child is finished, but hey you can always attach yourself to someone elses pretty boy ;D
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Quentin.
(http://thecia.com.au/reviews/d/images/dr-plonk-9.jpg)
Hey OX is this little critter still alive, he ended up a grumpy bugger :lol
how old would he be
He's 33 and here's his webbie -lol
Yeh,i remember him being a grumpy little,arrogant turd a few years back.
LMAO@ That.
The picture is apparently from a movie he was in - Great Aussie Pic,imo.
:lol thought he was older than that, like how you brought him up :rollin reminds me of some of our ex players & current always snapping parts ;D
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:rollin :rollin you are a deluded supporter & know pooh
oh l made a statement about Coughlan you said his superfit
You really do have a serious disconnect between the eyes and the brain don't you. For the umpteenth time - I never, ever, ever, ever, ever stated he was superfit. That was another poster - helps when you actually take in what you read. More TM bluster and crapola.
:rollin :rollin l said his career is finished & looks like l hold the cards ;D
Might I suggest that ain't all you're holding.
his broken again ;D how much time is he going to be off this time. he aint given the club any playing time since R12 2006, his head is on the chopping block & he aint going too well for someone superfit with broken body
Richmond is a buisness & his dead money & costing a valuable spot, holding up someones career, you cannot keep someone on a list who dont play football no matter who they are & thats why Richmond lose money for making bad decision
He is not holding anyone up or costing the club any extra money. If his injury is going to be for a long time then they can (might do, might not, no big deal either way) promote a rookie but I don't see a rookie walking into a side that Bowden, Pettifer, Tivendale and Polo can't crack. A promoted rookie costs more money so if we are running a business here then surely you would need a ROI from the rookie? Please name the rookie you feel is ready to step up for a senior game. The club will also have a contracted duty of care to look after Coughlan's medical bills regardless of whether he is sacked tomorrow or not, so no difference in cost there.
So........ doing it your way - sacking him now - gives us no win and a potential loss, while doing it the other way - giving him the remaining time on his contract (or at least until the end of the season) to see what happens - gives us a potential win or a potential loss. Gee, your way sounds smart.
l'm sorry your love child is finished, but hey you can always attach yourself to someone elses pretty boy ;D
I thought Johnson was my love child? Thats what I was accused of when I pointed out early in the year that it was too early to make a call on whether he was gone and that it was possible there were mitigating circumstances surrounding last year's form. All I have done with Coughlan is the same - pointed out that in my opinion it is too early to make a call on him and that the club will most likely see it that way too.
Keep dealing.
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Mark Coughlan out with hamstring injury
Bruce Matthews | May 15, 2008 12:00am
A THIRD consecutive season is on the brink for haunted Richmond midfielder Mark Coughlan after a training mishap yesterday.
Coughlan, 26, fighting back after two knee reconstructions, tore a hamstring near the end of a solid match-practice workout at Punt Rd.
The 2003 best-and-fairest winner, who missed the 2006 and 2007 seasons because of knee operations, was planning to step up his comeback with VFL affiliate Coburg against Geelong in the early game at the MCG on Saturday.
A hamstring injury after a NAB Cup game delayed his return and he finally eased back by playing two quarters for Coburg last weekend.
Coughlan had survived several heavy tackles during the simulated match workout yesterday and he ran at full pace.
When the players took a short drinks break, even some of the Tigers' assistant coaches didn't notice Coughlan walk off with forward Nathan Brown, who is still feeling discomfort from a recent stomach upset.
A medical scan today will reveal the damage to Coughlan's hamstring, but the club expects him to "miss several weeks" before he can start the long haul back again.
Leading sports medico Dr Peter Larkins last night said the pattern would be of "great concern" if this is a recurring hamstring on the same leg.
"Traditionally, they keep causing trouble and it's more of a concern for the rehab program because you need to spend more time out each time it happens," he said
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,23701132-19742,00.html
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:rollin :rollin you are a deluded supporter & know pooh
oh l made a statement about Coughlan you said his superfit
You really do have a serious disconnect between the eyes and the brain don't you. For the umpteenth time - I never, ever, ever, ever, ever stated he was superfit. That was another poster - helps when you actually take in what you read. More TM bluster and crapola.
:rollin :rollin l said his career is finished & looks like l hold the cards ;D
Might I suggest that ain't all you're holding.
his broken again ;D how much time is he going to be off this time. he aint given the club any playing time since R12 2006, his head is on the chopping block & he aint going too well for someone superfit with broken body
Richmond is a buisness & his dead money & costing a valuable spot, holding up someones career, you cannot keep someone on a list who dont play football no matter who they are & thats why Richmond lose money for making bad decision
He is not holding anyone up or costing the club any extra money. If his injury is going to be for a long time then they can (might do, might not, no big deal either way) promote a rookie but I don't see a rookie walking into a side that Bowden, Pettifer, Tivendale and Polo can't crack. A promoted rookie costs more money so if we are running a business here then surely you would need a ROI from the rookie? Please name the rookie you feel is ready to step up for a senior game. The club will also have a contracted duty of care to look after Coughlan's medical bills regardless of whether he is sacked tomorrow or not, so no difference in cost there.
So........ doing it your way - sacking him now - gives us no win and a potential loss, while doing it the other way - giving him the remaining time on his contract (or at least until the end of the season) to see what happens - gives us a potential win or a potential loss. Gee, your way sounds smart.
l'm sorry your love child is finished, but hey you can always attach yourself to someone elses pretty boy ;D
I thought Johnson was my love child? Thats what I was accused of when I pointed out early in the year that it was too early to make a call on whether he was gone and that it was possible there were mitigating circumstances surrounding last year's form. All I have done with Coughlan is the same - pointed out that in my opinion it is too early to make a call on him and that the club will most likely see it that way too.
Keep dealing.
your right you never said he was superfit it was Bentleigh who said it
you said his not finished so l stuck the superfit in cause it fits, cause he aint got started again since Round 12 2006 & missed most of 2004 as well.
you say his not holding anyone up thats just crap his taking a spot on a list he should not be on himself IMO
his contract was renewed when he was broken HELLO am l correct ;D buisness choices, ;D it was another costly mistake Richmond has acheived again & since his contract was renewed he has not played a single game & continues to rape the medical expenses of the club when he should be down at Centrelink getting a disability pension & a healthcare card :lol cause his AFL career is finished he offers nothing so a rookie you say none of them could get a game well you dont hold Foley or Kingy highly do you cause they were both rookies once.
Every chance a rookie could turn it on like Tivendale was also a rookie, just like Peverill for Essendon & many more thats why they have rookies to replace injured players like Coughlan ;D l'm sure his used to it being replaced before
But not to forget Cameron Howat is also a rookie & was playing seniors this year till suspended so you overlooked him as well :rollin Tristan Cartledge would easy get a game if call upon to Ruck, he does a fine job & l think his also played a game once as has Collard who many think can break into the side this year so l leave it at that
as l said before l wished Coughlan all the best & have hoped just like every other supporter that he get back playing but l have seen players like this before at Richmond & other clubs & sometimes hard decisions have to be called & most times its in the best interest of the players health & future life in general
He may return home & become a star for the WAFL just like Dragacevic did in the SANFL, :thumbsup but just because they do, dont mean they would have handled the rigors of AFL football & dominated like they once did
& just to finish off players are contracted to play football & reap huge reward reminds us all of Ottens ;D How is our old friend Otto going ??? is he playing :lol you think Geelong are getting thier money worth ;D 1 year football & a premiership medal the rest injury that worth something l bet
we got many Coughlan type players now, l cant see him ever getting back in & no-one will want to trade anything worthy for him cause he aint played for so long it be like trying a new recruit all over to see if he can cope with todays faster game
This injury going to take longer than the last to recover & then by the time he plays VFL 2nds & VFL 1st the year will be drawn closed he be thinking of presaeson training again
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you say his not holding anyone up thats just crap his taking a spot on a list he should not be on himself IMO
his contract was renewed when he was broken HELLO am l correct ;D buisness choices, ;D it was another costly mistake Richmond has acheived again & since his contract was renewed he has not played a single game & continues to rape the medical expenses of the club when he should be down at Centrelink getting a disability pension & a healthcare card :lol cause his AFL career is finished he offers nothing
But only a mistake in hindsight. I believe (and I am willing to stand corrected here) his contract was renewed before it became known his 1st operation wasn't successful so at the time, given all the facts, I believe the club did the right thing. He was a Jack Dyer medal winner, young, midfielder, 1 knee reco, and coming back from a knee reco the club would have been able to re-sign him at a reduced premium to what it would have to pay if he came back 100%. I look at that decision as being calculated and smart. Sure, history says his knee didn't take and he is now getting more unlikely to ever play again but with the facts in hand at the time the club did the right thing.
so a rookie you say none of them could get a game well you dont hold Foley or Kingy highly do you cause they were both rookies once.
Every chance a rookie could turn it on like Tivendale was also a rookie, just like Peverill for Essendon & many more thats why they have rookies to replace injured players like Coughlan ;D l'm sure his used to it being replaced before
But not to forget Cameron Howat is also a rookie & was playing seniors this year till suspended so you overlooked him as well :rollin Tristan Cartledge would easy get a game if call upon to Ruck, he does a fine job & l think his also played a game once as has Collard who many think can break into the side this year so l leave it at that
But answer my question - which rookie do we have that is playing anywhere near the sort of football that King, Foley, Tivendale or Peverill were playing to demand a call up to the seniors? And especially to replace a midfielder? Who would they replace? Every rookie still plays every week with Coburg (1's or 2's) and has the chance to be noticed but apart from Cartledge none are even close (including Howat). And Cartledge is only going to get promoted if a ruckman goes down - thats why he is on the rookie list - as insurance until Graham or Putt come on. So Coughlan isn't keeping a rookie out.
as l said before l wished Coughlan all the best & have hoped just like every other supporter that he get back playing but l have seen players like this before at Richmond & other clubs & sometimes hard decisions have to be called & most times its in the best interest of the players health & future life in general
He may return home & become a star for the WAFL just like Dragacevic did in the SANFL, :thumbsup but just because they do, dont mean they would have handled the rigors of AFL football & dominated like they once did
we got many Coughlan type players now, l cant see him ever getting back in & no-one will want to trade anything worthy for him cause he aint played for so long it be like trying a new recruit all over to see if he can cope with todays faster game
This injury going to take longer than the last to recover & then by the time he plays VFL 2nds & VFL 1st the year will be drawn closed he be thinking of presaeson training again
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Finally a balanced comment. I agree, Coughlan is looking increasingly likely to have played his last senior game and on-one wishes him anything but the best in wherever his football future lies but it's not valid to be down on the club for making the decision to extend his contract when the facts were he was a young medal-winning midfielder coming off 1 knee reco. And once his contract was extended, the club then had no choice (still doesn't) than to give him every possible chance to show if he will recover before making a decision to delist. He isn't taking a spot in the list (that can be filled before the end of the season), he isn't costing any more money, and the club made a decision that I'll bet every other club in the same position would have made at the time. We don't have a bad history of re-signing injured players so to accuse them of that is just not fair.
& just to finish off players are contracted to play football & reap huge reward reminds us all of Ottens ;D How is our old friend Otto going ??? is he playing :lol you think Geelong are getting thier money worth ;D 1 year football & a premiership medal the rest injury that worth something l bet
Yep, proves the point doesn't it. No club knows whats around the corner and can only make considered decisions given what is known at the time. We are no worse or better than any other club in that regard.
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you say his not holding anyone up thats just crap his taking a spot on a list he should not be on himself IMO
his contract was renewed when he was broken HELLO am l correct ;D buisness choices, ;D it was another costly mistake Richmond has acheived again & since his contract was renewed he has not played a single game & continues to rape the medical expenses of the club when he should be down at Centrelink getting a disability pension & a healthcare card :lol cause his AFL career is finished he offers nothing
But only a mistake in hindsight. I believe (and I am willing to stand corrected here) his contract was renewed before it became known his 1st operation wasn't successful so at the time, given all the facts, I believe the club did the right thing. He was a Jack Dyer medal winner, young, midfielder, 1 knee reco, and coming back from a knee reco the club would have been able to re-sign him at a reduced premium to what it would have to pay if he came back 100%. I look at that decision as being calculated and smart. Sure, history says his knee didn't take and he is now getting more unlikely to ever play again but with the facts in hand at the time the club did the right thing.
when did Coughlan sign his last contract
l'm sure it was signed after his second operation & was late 2007 maybe before preseason
MT or WP your the know all of Tigerland ;D when was Quinten Coughlans contract last signed
am l correct in saying we delisted Dragacevic because of always injured to resigning him & then delist him again because he couldnt establish himself in the side but was great at VFL level
l fear we are going down that path again & someone must take the blame if we had a choice to not renew his contract
yes he won the JD in 2003, but 2004 was lost & 2005 was good & from R12 2006 his been non player
thats alot of football missed since 2003 & his only ever played 83 games total since his debut
dont take any of this personal, its a decussion about the football club & its players
l always own up if l'm wrong but as l said its nothing personal against debaters or Coughlan himself its about RFC & where there going
you cant acheive success is your stock are not producing
if he was a cow he be shot by now & on someones footy BBQ ;D just joking
Remember David Teague he was a Carlton B&F winner & where is he now
everyone said he be a champion too ;D but l know his coaching out there in the wilderness
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when did Coughlan sign his last contract
l'm sure it was signed after his second operation & was late 2007 maybe before preseason
MT or WP your the know all of Tigerland ;D when was Quinten Coughlans contract last signed
You could be right as I said - happy to stand corrected - and if so then my point is less valid. Re-signing him after the 2nd op would have been more of a gamble and less of a balanced decision.
am l correct in saying we delisted Dragacevic because of always injured to resigning him & then delist him again because he couldnt establish himself in the side but was great at VFL level
We delisted him after his 2 knee reco's and then rookie listed him to see if he would come good. Not much risk $$'s-wise for a potential return and he didn't take up a true list spot so I think the club took a calculated, minimal cost, risk ie did the best it could there.
l fear we are going down that path again & someone must take the blame if we had a choice to not renew his contract
yes he won the JD in 2003, but 2004 was lost & 2005 was good & from R12 2006 his been non player
thats alot of football missed since 2003 & his only ever played 83 games total since his debut
I think the circumstances are different (rookie listing a risky proposition is a lot better than being on the full list) and if Coughlan's resigning was after his 2nd op then the club is much more exposed to, or guilty of, making an incorrect decision than if he was re-signed after the 1st op.
dont take any of this personal, its a decussion about the football club & its players
l always own up if l'm wrong but as l said its nothing personal against debaters or Coughlan himself its about RFC & where there going
you cant acheive success is your stock are not producing
I agree. Where we seem to disagree is the extent to which the club is to blame and how much they have been guilty of making these mistakes in the past. I don't think the club has a bad history with these decisions and have generally made good ones given the facts available at the time. And given Coughlan is currently on our list, there is absolutely no benefit in getting rid of him until we know with 100% surety that he is a lame duck.
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if he is contracted to the end of 2009.
i guess keep him to see if he comes good.
i do see other people's views on trading or delisting him.
do we actually know how long this hamstring injury will set him back for?
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here we go
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Cogs said he's done a reasonable strain. A few weeks. Pretty unpredictable. He was asked if there is/was a time when you consider pulling the pin and Cogs said after a pause there is.
Luke Darcy said it's a similar injury to what he had which ended his career. Common for those who have done 2 ACLs. Tough to miss 2 and half years.
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see the news on channel 9, morons showed AND INTERVIEW with mick malthouse having a whinge and whe they crosssed to his press conference footage it had on screen
richmond
MICK MALTHOUSE
WANKERS
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They were only 25 years late lol.
Poor Cogs. Looked like a shattered man on the footage lost for answers. Down in both the face and body language.
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sure cogs will work his butt off and come back stronger.....
i think the remark about quitting he was talking about in the past 2 seasons..when he was doing rehab for the knee...the fact that quitting did come across his mind was widely reported..nothing new here..i dont' think he's thinking about quitting now...
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Greg Hickey our club doctor said Cogs left for Germany yesterday to see the same specialist Max Rooke saw. He said Cogs said he's willing to explore all options.
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Coughlan seeks radical treatment
foxsports.com.au
May 17, 2008
RICHMOND midfielder Mark Coughlan will undergo the same radical treatment that saved last year's AFL season for Geelong defender Max Rooke.
Coughlan, who suffered another hamstring injury this week, has travelled to Germany with the Tigers' rehabilitation and conditioning coach Warren Kofoed to meet Dr Hans Muller-Wolfhart.
The Tigers onballer will undergo a two-week treatment program, which features injections of substances such as calf blood into the affected area.
While Muller-Wolfhart's methods are unconventional, he is renowned for treating persistent injuries of this type.
"There are a few things out there and they're not necessarily proven scientifically, but there's a lot of people like Rooke who have done well," said Richmond club doctor Greg Hickey.
"Whether or not it's got the scientific basis behind it yet, we want to give Mark every opportunity."
Rooke went to Germany last year for the treatment and was able to return to the AFL for Geelong's historic premiership.
Dr Hickey stressed he was not advocating Dr Muller-Wolfhart's treatment for normal hamstring problems, but said Coughlan's situation was far from normal.
After recovering from osteitis pubis and two knee reconstructions over the past few years, Coughlan cannot return to the AFL because of persistent hamstring problems.
"It's not been our normal process to go to this sort of extreme, but taking into account that Mark has had a couple of recurrences of this injury and his past history over the last four years ... he's had a terrible run," Dr Hickey said.
"We want to offer Mark every avenue to get back and play some footy this year and hopefully for the future.
"He's such an incredibly hard-working fellow and to have these injuries chucked at him all the time, we'd want to provide everything we can for him to get back."
Dr Hickey said he spoke to Geelong club doctor Chris Bradshaw this week and added the success of Rooke's treatment had sparked a lot of interest among medical staff around the league.
Dr Hickey said Coughlan's hamstring injuries were "indirectly" related to the affects of his knee reconstructions.
http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,23715286-23210,00.html
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Coughlan in Germany for radical injury treatment
Martin Boulton | May 18, 2008
RICHMOND'S 2003 best-and-fairest winner Mark Coughlan will be treated by the same German doctor who helped Geelong's Max Rooke recover from a chronic hamstring injury.
Coughlan, who has had two knee reconstructions, suffered a recurrence of a hamstring problem after playing in the VFL last weekend and club doctor Greg Hickey said the 26-year-old left for Munich on Friday.
Rooke, who was treated with injections of calf blood and rooster combs by Dr Hans Muller-Wolfhart, overcame a long-term hamstring complaint to play in last year's finals series and grand final victory.
"Mark was interested in pursuing all avenues," Hickey said. "It's not been our normal process to go to this sort of extreme, but taking into account Mark's had a couple of recurrences of this injury and his terrible run with missing most of a season with osteitis pubis and having two ACL reconstructions … we want to offer Mark every avenue to get back and play some footy, this year and for the future."
He said Coughlan was "an incredibly hard-working" footballer and had taken a keen interest in Rooke's treatment and recovery.
"We've had discussions about it and, while it's probably not for everyone … in this particular context and what Mark's been through, we thought it was reasonable to do it."
Richmond's rehabilitation and conditioning co-ordinator, Warren Kofoed, has travelled with Coughlan to Munich to oversee the two-week program.
"We don't know exactly, until he gets over there, what exactly will happen, but it seems he (Mueller-Wolfhart) has a pretty common approach to most of these injuries, which involve a lot of injections.
"There is a few things out there and they're not necessarily proven scientifically, but there's a lot of people, like Rooke, that have done well and we want to give Mark every opportunity."
Coughlan's injury is on the opposite leg to the one that had two knee reconstructions, but Hickey said it was likely there was a connection between the injuries.
"When you've had a long period of deconditioning and time out of the game, it's more common and to be expected to have some sort of soft tissue injury on your return."
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/coughlan-to-have-radical-treatment/2008/05/17/1210765262997.html
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from the Herald-Sun
Miller refused to put a timetable on a return.
"We're not going to speculate on a return date, that would be unfair," Miller said.
"You can imagine how disappointed he is and we are going to support him all the way."
Miller said he was confident the midfielder would return from this latest mishap.
"Nathan Brown had three horrible years with his broken leg and he came back," Miller said.
"I think Mark would be back. He is a hard-working fella."
Coughlan is contracted until the end of the 2009 season.
His manager, Paul Connors, was confident it was not the end of his career, despite a third consecutive season on the brink.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,23715951-19742,00.html
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from the Herald-Sun
Miller refused to put a timetable on a return.
"We're not going to speculate on a return date, that would be unfair," Miller said.
"You can imagine how disappointed he is and we are going to support him all the way."
Miller said he was confident the midfielder would return from this latest mishap.
"Nathan Brown had three horrible years with his broken leg and he came back," Miller said.
"I think Mark would be back. He is a hard-working fella."
Coughlan is contracted until the end of the 2009 season.
His manager, Paul Connors, was confident it was not the end of his career, despite a third consecutive season on the brink.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,23715951-19742,00.html
stuff off.
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Amazing what sports medicine can do these. This German treatment worked for Rooke. Malceski's back playing just 3 months after doing an ACL. Incredible stuff.
All the best to Cogs. However it sounds like though this will be his final attempt at trying to make a comeback by going OS for such extreme treatment.
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Well Smokey old gun lets continue our chat
l was typing out a post last week that Cogs should go to Germany & try the treatment Rooke got, but l decided l had enough talking about him cause his a lost cause & l deleted it. Well low & behold the next morning l'm told Cogs was on the plane to Germany :lol
you said Cogs was not going to cost money well sorry to say its costing the club huge money
accomodation / meals & extras for Cogs & medical staff $$$$$$$$$$$
air fares $$$$$$$$$$$$$
Treatment $$$$$$$$$$$$$$
rehab $$$$$$$$$$$$$$
living away allowances $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
possible no game time for rest of the year which means alot of money & no reward again
that will be 4 wasted seasons
Picked up in the 2000 draft at #25 his played 83 games & is stuffed
he better be a good player when his repaired or this will not go down well
l also wish Cogs the best of luck, it must be good treatment cause it worked for Rooke but everyone is different
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Well Smokey old gun lets continue our chat
you said Cogs was not going to cost money well sorry to say its costing the club huge money
accomodation / meals & extras for Cogs & medical staff - $12,000
air fares - $5,500
Treatment - $10,000 (A best guesstimate - could be half this, could be double)
rehab - Reduced rehab if it works, no difference if it doesn't - potential saving but we'll call it square
living away allowances - Accounted for in accom/meals/fares above
All up about $27,000 to try and get one of the club's premier midfielders on the field. If it works, it's money very well spent. If it doesn't, it helps the club and player make a decision to part ways much earlier with a potential then to negotiate an amicable settlement. Every chance it will save/recoup at least the cost of the experiment if Coughlan decides to take a reduced payout to enable him to walk and get on with his life at season's (2008) end.
Looking at it from your business angle, $27k is a pittance to spend on a key asset in an effort to improve the asset's productivity when the business is a multi-million dollar affair turning good profits. In a football sense it would not buy us an extra player or an extra football department person so we are not robbing Peter to pay Paul.
I am glad the club is trying something different (after this weekend's Sydney game I bet they wish they had thought outside the square when he first did the knee) and I don't think the dollar investment in the attempt is anywhere substantial enough to give a second thought to. If it cost $100k then I would have a different opinion but $27k? Nah, for a business this size dealing with a key asset? Calculated risk, limited exposure, good potential ROI, fair investment.
l also wish Cogs the best of luck, it must be good treatment cause it worked for Rooke but everyone is different
We are joined in this one. As I've said before, only hindsight will tell us whether the club got it right or wrong but I can't have it that it has done much wrong at all in dealing with all this so far - except if, as you have pointed out, they re-signed/extended his contract after the 2nd reco. If they did that, then I agree that they could have been a fair bit smarter in waiting.
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can anyone confirm how he did his second knee?
i have heard a few reports but the one i hear more than not is the shower incident...
sounds very odd and wouldn't be suprised if it was a botched up job.
can someone confirm??
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can anyone confirm how he did his second knee?
i have heard a few reports but the one i hear more than not is the shower incident...
sounds very odd and wouldn't be suprised if it was a botched up job.
can someone confirm??
I've heard 2 different reports Daniel. One is the popular report via the club/media that he had a mishap showering while another is via a friend who knows the family and they say the op was botched. I wouldn't risk either of my now often redundant jewels on which version is correct and maybe the truth is somewhere in the middle - it might have re-occurred under much less provocation than normal due to poor surgery.
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Fair call Smokey
what we aint heard from anyone yet when was Coughlans last contract was signed
maybe l just have to ask someone direct at the club next time l'm down there
but really it dont change anything thier to deep into trying to get him to recover & l think its the best choice going to Germany but l can tell you the figure will exceed 27K
one thing for sure we will know the outcome of his future
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Fair call Smokey
what we aint heard from anyone yet when was Coughlans last contract was signed
maybe l just have to ask someone direct at the club next time l'm down there
but really it dont change anything thier to deep into trying to get him to recover & l think its the best choice going to Germany but l can tell you the figure will exceed 27K
one thing for sure we will know the outcome of his future
Yeah, shake hands and lets hope the outcome is the best for all concerned - whether its Cogs getting better and back to his best or realising its all over and moving on for a fair settlement at the earliest possible opportunity. :thumbsup
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Tiger's Munich mission
Sam Edmund | May 21, 2008 12:00am
MARK Coughlan has started treatment on his chronic hamstring problem in a mission to Germany to save his career.
The Richmond midfielder was introduced to soft-tissue specialist Dr Hans-Wilhelm Muller-Wohlfarth in Munich on Sunday.
The 26-year-old had a full consultation on Monday and will spend the next week in the hands of Dr Muller-Wohlfarth before returning to Melbourne.
Coughlan, with the help of his father, researched and pursued the trip to Germany himself.
Richmond is expected to fork out more than $20,000 on the trip.
Many of Dr Muller-Wohlfarth's treatments are unconventional, such as injecting animal fluids into patients to help repair muscles.
He has treated a long list of international sporting greats, including soccer superstars Ronaldo and Michael Owen.
He also helped Geelong's Max Rooke overcome repeated hamstring woes, enabling the rugged utility to play in last year's Grand Final.
Coughlan, who flew to Germany last Friday with Richmond rehabilitation and conditioning co-ordinator Warren Kofoed, has suffered repeated hamstring strains after coming back from a second knee reconstruction.
He has not played a senior game since Round 12, 2006.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,23732948-19742,00.html
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Coughlan coming home
richmondfc.com.au
By Mic Cullen
3:58 PM Wed 28 May, 2008
INJURY-PLAGUED Richmond midfielder Mark Coughlan has almost finished his radical course of treatment in Germany and is about to return home to continue his rehabilitation.
After two knee reconstructions, the gun midfielder is struggling with hamstring issues, and is in Germany being treated by the doctor who cured Geelong premiership player Max Rooke's troublesome hamstring.
Dr Hans-Wilhelm Muller-Wolfhart has a long string of success on the sporting field after injecting players with extract of rooster crest and honey or calves' blood.
Coach Terry Wallace told richmondfc.com.au he was delighted to have Coughlan about to return to Punt Rd.
"He'll come back after the weekend, so early next week he'll be back in town," he said. "He's just about finished the course over there. He's got about three or four days more training to do over there, and then he'll be back home.
"Then he'll just work himself back up to try to get back to full fitness."
While the 26-year-old is out for the season.... :(
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/tabid/6301/Default.aspx?newsid=60403
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forget it waste of time. end of season now according to TW. his gone!
we should hire him as a assistant coach immediately and put him out of his misery.
i can see it now, another draga coming. yes he has won our b&f but how much currency does that buy you before the club says sorry pal it aint gonna work.
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Fair call Smokey
what we aint heard from anyone yet when was Coughlans last contract was signed
maybe l just have to ask someone direct at the club next time l'm down there
but really it dont change anything thier to deep into trying to get him to recover & l think its the best choice going to Germany but l can tell you the figure will exceed 27K
one thing for sure we will know the outcome of his future
He signed it in late 2007 from memory, expires in 2009.
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I think we are flogging a dead horse here. I would love to be wrong and let him go but we have to have players h\that can get out on the park to play. Not always be on the injured list as it seems with him. Don't get me wrong I think he's a great player when playing but with missing so many games just how good will he be when he comes back. I think we have had the best from him and it is all over red rover.
We have to cut our loses here I think. And let him go.
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I would like to think Cogs' class and desire will see him back in the team come 2009, lets hope this treatment is the magic cure. Cogs was a huge loss for us when he went down, some have short memories.
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Fair call Smokey
what we aint heard from anyone yet when was Coughlans last contract was signed
maybe l just have to ask someone direct at the club next time l'm down there
but really it dont change anything thier to deep into trying to get him to recover & l think its the best choice going to Germany but l can tell you the figure will exceed 27K
one thing for sure we will know the outcome of his future
He signed it in late 2007 from memory, expires in 2009.
just what l thought it was late 2007 after he did his knee the second time
So Smokey that answered the question we waitied so long for thanks Tigersalive :thumbsup
a decision l think is bad judgement by the club so they better prey this germany treatment works & he plays some good football on return, otherwise thier going to be some very angry supporters & it will show nothing has changed down at Tigerland
but in saying that l sitback and wait the outcome of his treatment
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Sad fact is if he does return next year he will be into the later stage of his career and need at least a full year of games to try and capture some form (like Browny & Newman did). This would mean he would be around 28 when he starts to play good football for us and this is without any further injury mishaps.
At best would get 2 - 4 years out of him with no assurity that he will regain the form that will gain him a spot in the team. When he is ready we will have a midfield core of players who are around 23 years of age and around 7 years ahead of them.
The figures and facts aren't stacking up well for Cogs sadly :'(
Stripes
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He signed it in late 2007 from memory, expires in 2009.
just what l thought it was late 2007 after he did his knee the second time
So Smokey that answered the question we waitied so long for thanks Tigersalive :thumbsup
a decision l think is bad judgement by the club so they better prey this germany treatment works & he plays some good football on return, otherwise thier going to be some very angry supporters & it will show nothing has changed down at Tigerland
but in saying that l sitback and wait the outcome of his treatment
Yep, no problem here TM. I agree that making a decision to re-sign after the 2nd reco (and for 2 years) is not a very clever move, and I'm not saying that with the benefit of hindsight - it would apply to any player in those circumstances, Richo and Foley included. As I have posted previously, the risk v return on someone in those circumstances is much higher than I would consider acceptable (unless the unthinkable that he was re-signed on a minimum but I know that wouldn't have happened). The club have not shown the best judgement in this case but now they have no alternative than to see the treatment/rehab out until the years end and then collectively (with Coughlan) make a call on his future.
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Was it ever mentioned before Cogs was out for the season? ???
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He signed it in late 2007 from memory, expires in 2009.
just what l thought it was late 2007 after he did his knee the second time
So Smokey that answered the question we waitied so long for thanks Tigersalive :thumbsup
a decision l think is bad judgement by the club so they better prey this germany treatment works & he plays some good football on return, otherwise thier going to be some very angry supporters & it will show nothing has changed down at Tigerland
but in saying that l sitback and wait the outcome of his treatment
Yep, no problem here TM. I agree that making a decision to re-sign after the 2nd reco (and for 2 years) is not a very clever move, and I'm not saying that with the benefit of hindsight - it would apply to any player in those circumstances, Richo and Foley included. As I have posted previously, the risk v return on someone in those circumstances is much higher than I would consider acceptable (unless the unthinkable that he was re-signed on a minimum but I know that wouldn't have happened). The club have not shown the best judgement in this case but now they have no alternative than to see the treatment/rehab out until the years end and then collectively (with Coughlan) make a call on his future.
Meh, very depression.
You can carry one injury-fared player on the list IMO.
Cogs has enough runs in the back to give him one more chance.
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He signed it in late 2007 from memory, expires in 2009.
just what l thought it was late 2007 after he did his knee the second time
So Smokey that answered the question we waitied so long for thanks Tigersalive :thumbsup
a decision l think is bad judgement by the club so they better prey this germany treatment works & he plays some good football on return, otherwise thier going to be some very angry supporters & it will show nothing has changed down at Tigerland
but in saying that l sitback and wait the outcome of his treatment
Yep, no problem here TM. I agree that making a decision to re-sign after the 2nd reco (and for 2 years) is not a very clever move, and I'm not saying that with the benefit of hindsight - it would apply to any player in those circumstances, Richo and Foley included. As I have posted previously, the risk v return on someone in those circumstances is much higher than I would consider acceptable (unless the unthinkable that he was re-signed on a minimum but I know that wouldn't have happened). The club have not shown the best judgement in this case but now they have no alternative than to see the treatment/rehab out until the years end and then collectively (with Coughlan) make a call on his future.
Meh, very depression.
You can carry one injury-fared player on the list IMO.
Cogs has enough runs in the back to give him one more chance.
Yeah, that's what I would class this year as. I've stuck up for the club in the way they have handled his rehab and been prepared to give him as much time as possible but in spite of that, knowing now that they re-signed him after doing his knee for the 2nd time I don't think it was a smart decision (basing this on an assumption that he was re-signed for a reasonable amount of $$'s and doesn't have any special injury clauses). Too much risk for the potential return when dealing with a 2nd time, back to back knee reco. The club have improved out of sight in their decision making and general administration/management of most matters since the dark, dark Casey days but I just think they got this decision wrong, regardless of whether Cogs plays again or not. He might comeback and win a Brownlow but it won't change my opinion about the decision. Just like backing a 100-1 winner v an odds on favourite - the longshot might get up one day but you will spend a lot of money, a lot of tears and a long time chasing it. The favourite will give you a much smaller return with much more likelihood of a positive outcome. And Richmond need to be backing favourites.
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Meh, very depression.
You can carry one injury-fared player on the list IMO.
Cogs has enough runs in the back to give him one more chance.
this coming from a person who said Cogs was superfit
your a very deluded supporter
how do you know his got enough run left, he cant run properly now
he cant even make it through training let alone get picked for a VFL game this year :rollin
AFL football is a long shot for Cogs from this point in his career reminds me of Dragacevic all over again
what you going to come out with next, your tool of the week ;D
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Meh, very depression.
You can carry one injury-fared player on the list IMO.
Cogs has enough runs in the back to give him one more chance.
this coming from a person who said Cogs was supfit
your a very deluded supporter
how do you know his got enough run left, he cant run properly now
he cant even make it through training let alone get picked for a VFL game this year :rollin
AFL football is a long shot for Cogs from this point in his career reminds me of Dragacevic all over again
what you going to come out with next, your tool of the week ;D
id say tool of the month more like it..
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His contract is probably heavily performance based. If he played and returned to near his best he could earn big $$$ but right now he's a cheap player on our list.
I know someone who regularly watches training who blames Spud and the club at the time for the state Cogs' body got into. The exact words were "that idiot wrecked Cogs playing him in the guts when he was first showing signs of OP and then continuing to play him injured".
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Injured Tiger Coughlan back
Nick Sheridan | June 1, 2008
RICHMOND's injury-prone Mark Coughlan returns to Melbourne this morning after spending two weeks in Germany being treated for recurring hamstring problems.
Coughlan, who has not played senior football since round 12, 2006, because of two knee reconstructions, has spent the past fortnight in Munich being treated by soft-tissue specialist Dr Hans-Wilhelm Muller-Wohlfarth.
Muller-Wohlfarth also treated Geelong's Max Rooke for a serious hamstring tear last year, enabling the defender to play in the Cats' premiership side.
The German doctor is known for his unorthodox methods, which include injecting patients with substances extracted from the combs of roosters, and extracts of calves' blood. He has gained acclaim for treating international sports stars.
Coughlan, 26, decided to make the trip after his long-awaited comeback was hampered by recurring hamstring problems.
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/injured-tiger-coughlan-back/2008/05/31/1211654380905.html
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he will have bird flu next ;D
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he will have bird flu next ;D
pee-er
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Tiger Mark Coughlan home with home
Bruce Matthews | June 02, 2008
RICHMOND midfielder Mark Coughlan is back in Melbourne after radical treatment in Germany to try to salvage his career. Coughlan returned home yesterday morning to resume rehabilitation for a chronic hamstring ailment.
The 26-year-old spent more than two weeks with a soft-tissue specialist at his clinic in Munich.
Coughlan's quest to return following successive knee reconstruction operations have been thwarted by persistent strained hamstrings.
The problem flared again during a practice match at the Punt Road Oval three weeks ago, only days after he had made a tentative but seemingly successful return with VFL affiliate Coburg Tigers.
Richmond's 2003 best and fairest winner has not played an AFL game since round 12, 2006.
After major surgery forced him out for the rest of that year, he reinjured the knee during pre-season training and had to sit out 2007.
Coughlan decided to try the German option and Richmond is helping to finance the trip and treatment.
The specialist, Dr Hans-Wilhelm Muller-Wohlfarth, successfully treated Geelong's Max Rooke for a severe hamstring injury, enabling him to play in the Cats' premiership team.
The specialist's often unconventional treatments, such as injecting animal fluids to help repair muscles, have also assisted the recovery of soccer superstars Ronaldo and Michael Owen.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,23794384-19742,00.html
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Cogs was doing some straight 100m running at training today.
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;D thats good news how quick was he doing them Johnson pace or Coughlan pace :lol
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From SEN:
Cogs is hopefully he'll make a comeback soon. Could be as early as a fortnight :o. Body feels good and he believes the treatment will be a success. Two natural substances which are all above board stimulate repair of the muscles and it's also anti-inflammatory.
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I would be wrapped if he made it back before August! :gotigers
If he does return quickly he will spend the majority of the year playing for the Burgers trying to regain some fitness, confidence, speed and form. I don't want to see him in our team line up before he has earned his place. The last thing we need is an underdone Cogs!
Another full injury-free pre-season and plenty of matches under his belt and we may have a great new recruit on our hands! ;)
Great news for Cogs and the club
Stripes
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well Smokey & l are waiting for him just to make it back
Bentliegh (The Boundry Hotel Rider ) ;D will be telling us he is superfit next Tuesday
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If he's back within a month then it will be an incredible comeback :pray. I'll be glad to see him just get through a few VFL games unscathed and without breaking down again let alone AFL games.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/06/03/2263856.htm?section=sport
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For those interested channel ten is showing Cogs training coming up in the sports news
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Well 1 big positive is the smiling face of Coughlan compared to seeing him after doing his hammy
he said Germany was a success & his running so thats excellent for the young man
had more than 100 injections ;D you think he was getting a tattoo
wish him all the best we all :pray he can make it back ;D
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Well 1 big positive is the smiling face of Coughlan compared to seeing him after doing his hammy
he said Germany was a success & his running so thats excellent for the young man
had more than 100 injections ;D you think he was getting a tattoo
wish him all the best we all :pray he can make it back ;D
100 shots :o. One every 14 hours. Obviously good stuff :lol.
You're right TM. Seeing Cogs smiling at training is a massive positive. Let's hope the treatment and his body backs up his renewed confidence :pray.
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Cogs, Lids, Foley, Cotchin, Tambling :cheers
2009
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Coughlan's quick recovery
Katherine Firkin | June 03, 2008
JUST weeks after declaring his season finished, Richmond's Mark Coughlan plans to return to football in the near future.
The 26-year-old returned from Germany yesterday after spending two weeks with soft-tissue specialist Dr Hans-Wilhelm Muller-Wohlfarth in Munich in a bid to salvage his injury-stricken career.
Coughlan ran well during a light training session with his team at Punt Road today, but won’t be able to gauge the true success of the treatment for at least another week.
“I haven’t really had a chance to give it a good run yet but, generally speaking, at this stage, it’s been a success,” he said.
“I won’t know until I get a full week of training in and play again and get a bit of confidence back in the body, but at this stage I do feel quite good.”
During the world-leading procedure, Coughlan underwent intensive needle treatment and received injections every 48 hours.
He said the injections contained Actovegin, a product derived from calf's blood, and Traumeel, an anti-inflammatory product.
This treatment has been successfully used on many elite athletes including Geelong’s Max Rooke, who made a miraculous return from a hamstring tear to play in last year’s Grand Final.
“It certainly has been for me quite positive even just getting over there and getting some alternative treatment,” Coughlan said.
“Just reading into this bloke and seeing how much success he’s had with athletes and seeing some athletes come through the door that have … had a lot of success sort of gives you a bit of self belief.”
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,23803701-19742,00.html
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Mark Coughlan receives radical hamstring treatment
Sam Edmund | June 04, 2008
INJURY-PRONE Richmond midfielder Mark Coughlan endured 17 needle injections every 48 hours for two weeks in a last-ditch German mission.
Coughlan, who returned from Munich on Monday, had 10 injections in his spine and seven in his left hamstring at each session with soft-tissue specialist Dr Hans-Wilhelm Muller-Wohlfarth.
Couglan was injected 102 times with Actovegin, which improves the circulation of oxygen in the blood and is manufactured using an extract of calf's blood, and Traumeel, which offers anti-inflammatory relief of soft-tissue trauma.
Coughlan has suffered repeated hamstring strains after coming back from a second knee reconstruction. He has not played a senior game since Round 12, 2006.
But the 2003 best-and-fairest winner said he positive of overcoming a chronic hamstring problem that threatens to end his 83-game career.
Related LinksVideo: Coughlan on his treatment
"I've always backed our medical staff and they came up with the idea to send me over there," Coughlan said yesterday.
"I think they were sort of thinking that from my point of view, I may want to go and try something different so it's certainly been, for me, quite positive.
"Even just getting over there and getting some alternative treatment and reading into this bloke and seeing how much success he's had with athletes and seeing some athletes come through the door that have been to him before and had a lot of success gives you a bit of self belief."
Coughlan had his first run back at Punt Rd yesterday with strength and conditioning coach Warren Kofoed, performing a series of running drills designed around hamstring recovery.
Kofoed, who partnered Coughlan to Munich, documented the player's treatment with a digital camera.
Coughlan said he was hopeful of playing for Coburg in the VFL by the end of the month.
He said his wretched run never caused him to seriously contemplate quitting.
"I guess it makes you want to come back more. I've had long-term injuries that have ruled me out before the season has even begun," he said.
"You've got too much time to think so you do think about those things, but it has never really been an option of mine.
"The body generally feels good. I haven't really had a chance to give it a good run yet, but at this stage it's been a success.
"I won't know until I get a full week of training in and play again and get a bit of confidence back in the body, but at this stage I do feel quite good."
Dr Muller-Wohlfarth has treated soccer stars Ronaldo and Michael Owen.
He also helped Geelong's Max Rooke overcome hamstring woes.
Coughlan said he would contact Rooke in the coming days.
Kofoed said the club had approved the treatment because it wanted to give Coughlan the best chance of playing out the season.
"There's not a lot known about it and he hasn't been published in any scientific journals or medical journals so I think there's still a bit of mystery about it," Kofoed said.
"But what he does have is an excellent track record and a number of case studies that are very positive."
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,23807096-19742,00.html
Radical treatment injects new hope for Coughlan
Len Johnson | June 4, 2008
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/treatment-injects-hope-for-coughlan/2008/06/03/1212258825861.html
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one-eyed....do you ever :sleep ???
Still a long road back to the seniors for Cogs but great to see him going in the right direction again.
Stripes
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reading the Herald/Sun newspaper this morning on page 82 it has a picture of Cogs running & then a smaller picture of him grasping his hamstring, which l thought :o, oh no he has done it again & this is the end
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Hans-Wilhelm Müller-Wohlfarth
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Dr Hans-Wilhelm Müller-Wohlfarth is the club doctor at Bayern Munich and is a world leader in the treatment of sports injuries. He has treated many footballers including Jürgen Klinsmann[1], Ronaldo and Jonathan Woodgate[2] and other sportsmen and women such as Paula Radcliffe [3] Kelly Holmes [4] and Maurice Greene [5].
He helped cure Michael Owen's hamstring problems in time to play at the Euro 2000 tournament[6] and has also helped Owen's Liverpool F.C. and England colleague, Steven Gerrard [7] and Harry Kewell [8] .
Darren Gough [9] and Alex Tudor [10], Essex cricketers, have benefited from the German doctor's pioneering treatments.
José María Olazábal [11] , the 1994 US Masters golf champion was suffering from the crippling effects of rheumatoid arthritis when he visited Muller-Wolfhart but was able to win at Augusta again in 1999.
Rugby World Cup winner Will Greenwood [12] is another who has benefited from the doctor's treatment after 8 months with a groin problem. Weeks later he was staking a claim to a recall to the England team.
Many of the German doctor's treatments are controversial, including using injections of a substance called Hylart[13], extracted from the crest of cockerels, which is claimed to help lubricate knee injuries and take away the pain. He has also injected honey or calves' blood in to patients.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Muller-Wolfhart
Even our Jana Rawlinson has visited the doc.
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According to Luke Darcy on SEN, when Cogs was in Germany he stayed in a room next door to a group of people who had parties every night. To try and sleep he put plugs in his ears to kill the noise but that didn't work. So he pushed them in further so much so he had to then go to hospital to get one surgically removed.
Cogs must have ran over a black cat walking under ladder with his luck :P.
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From the RFC site
By Mic Cullen
1:44 PM Tue 10 June, 2008
GUN RICHMOND midfielder Mark Coughlan is expected to be back playing in the VFL in the next couple of weeks, Tigers coach Terry Wallace revealed on Tuesday.
The 26-year-old best and fairest winner has suffered through two knee reconstructions and ongoing hamstring issues, and hasn't played since round 12 2006, but the club is hoping a radical treatment regime in Germany has done the trick.
"Mark Coughlan we probably think is another week away only from resuming as well, so there's a couple of positive signs."
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/Season2007/News/NewsArticle/tabid/6301/Default.aspx?newsId=61143
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His next injury will be Mad Cow disease.
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His next injury will be Mad Cow disease.
:rollin :rollin
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why doesn't the players we don't want playing ever get injured?
Joel, Kayne, Greg, Hyde ... when was the last time they got injured ...
always our best players get injured!
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Ch 10 news showed Cogs running around at training today. They said his hamstring treatment in Germany has worked so well he's a chance to return next round.
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Ill believe it when i see it ::)
If he does then, All the best Cogs
And WTG for some latteral thinking i wish our coach would apply some at times.
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Be a miracle if he played seniors. More like Coburg ressies. They play Box Hill next week while Richmond has the break. Oh well I was a week out with the info :wallywink.
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Sports Tonight toned down the earlier report. They interviewed Royal and he said if Cogs gets through the next week then he'll just be a couple of weeks away.
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Cogs has posted parts of his diary from his trip to Germany on the RFC site:
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/Season2007/News/NewsArticle/tabid/6301/Default.aspx?newsId=62657
... the city gave away 13,000 litres of free beer or something, so everyone was have a great time.
Great city to visit Munich ;D.
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Great city to visit Munich ;D.
:yep :yep
I'll drink to that although personally I reckon Berlin is better ;D
:eyebrow :eyebrow
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Great city to visit Munich ;D.
:yep :yep
I'll drink to that although personally I reckon Berlin is better ;D
:eyebrow :eyebrow
Just don't mention the war.
;D ;D ;D
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lol Smokey our thread is back on
lets hope its all good news, if Cogs proves me wrong l will gladly admit so ;D
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Great city to visit Munich ;D.
:yep :yep
I'll drink to that although personally I reckon Berlin is better ;D
:eyebrow :eyebrow
talk about a footy mad town!
as a young lad backpacking around in the 80's i arrived in Munich intending to stick around for a few days and check it out.
when i arrived at the station it was chaos!
Porto were playn Bayern in the final of the UEFA Champs and as a consequence i had to jump on the train to vienna as there was absolutely no accomadation availiable anywhere in Munchen.
but i just couldnt believe how footy mad it was there! scarves, singing songs everywhere, painted faces and i have a vivid memory of a guy dropping all his drinksd as he tried to get out the door of a pub cause it was so packed inside! :cheers
made our GF look rather lifeless! :o
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lol Smokey our thread is back on
lets hope its all good news, if Cogs proves me wrong l will gladly admit so ;D
Yeah TM. I'm watching with great interest and hope as well. Honestly, I'm not super confident he will survive the attempt but where there's hope.... As you said, it will be good news if Cogs can prove you wrong because that's a win for the footy club - our debate is irrelevant to that outcome. Here's hoping. :thumbsup
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Fearless Coughlan set for return
richmondfc.com.au
By Mic Cullen
12:53 PM Fri 04 July, 2008
RICHMOND midfielder Mark Coughlan will return to football this weekend, playing with VFL side Coburg.
The 26-year-old said he was feeling confident about his troublesome hamstrings, which saw him trek off to Germany for treatment.
"I'm feeling good. It's taken a while, but since my well-documented trip it's been good," he told richmondfc.com.au.
"I went over there with quite a weak hamstring, and came back and it's felt pretty strong since.
"All the physio work I've had over here has been great, and in the last two weeks there's been a noticeable change.
"I'm feeling pretty strong out on the track, and it's pulling up well, so I'm pretty confident about playing out the year."
Coughlan said the fear about returning had passed.
"No, I've lost the trepidation – I did have that last time I came back and played for Coburg, I just wasn't quite sure on it, but I've lost that feeling," he said.
"I guess once you get through a couple of full training sessions with the guys and it pulls up well, then it gives you a bit of confidence and you lose that hesitation about going for the ball, and all that type of thing.
"It all feels pretty good and ready to go."
The 25th pick in the 2000 draft said the coaching staff had supported him fully, although he hadn't spoken to senior coach Terry Wallace all that much.
"I guess I haven't played too many games, so I haven't had a chance to talk to him about how I'm going to play, but he's been pretty supportive – when he's needed to he's been there to say 'just get it right'," he said.
"I actually haven't had too much pressure from the coaches in terms of getting out and playing, which has been good, and has allowed my body to recover.
"I think in the long run, it'll benefit the club."
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/tabid/6301/Default.aspx?newsid=62698
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Just repeating here as it'll get lost in the Coburg thread.
bg25 said Cogs got through the ressies game. Played in 10 minute spurts and did ok and will be better for the run. Had 7 possies (from BF) and kicked a goal in the first quarter.
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Mark Coughlan takes steps towards Richmond return
Chris Mitchell | July 07, 2008
INJURY-plagued midfielder Mark Coughlan hopes to string enough VFL games together to force his way into the Richmond side before the end of the season.
Coughlan finally returned to football yesterday for the Coburg reserves, playing the first three quarters in the Tigers' eight-point win against Box Hill at Box Hill City Oval.
While he struggled to have a significant impact, the 26-year-old played in the midfield, kicked a goal and had 19 possessions in a sign he has recovered from a serious hamstring injury.
The 2003 Richmond best-and-fairest winner tore his left hamstring at training in May and travelled to Munich, Germany, for intensive treatment, enduring 102 injections over 12 days in a visit to the clinic of Dr Hans-Wilhelm Mueller-Wohlfarth.
A victim of two right knee reconstructions, Coughlan has not played at AFL level since Round 12, 2006, and is itching to break back into the Richmond side.
"It would be nice. The boys are playing pretty well, particularly in midfield," Coughlan said.
"I've got to prove myself at VFL level and it is then up to the coaching staff at Richmond."
Coughlan, who has played 83 games for Richmond since making his debut in 2001, said he had grown tired of training and was happy to get through the game unscathed.
"It was good to just get out there," he said. "I was a bit more confident about coming back this time around.
"I've only really played a half (of footy) this year. I wasn't really nervous.
"I felt pretty good in the body. I felt like I would get through all right and I have, so I'm pretty happy."
Coburg senior coach Jade Rawlings, who is also on the Richmond match committee, said Coughlan must prove he is fully fit before being considered for an AFL return.
"He just has to be able to prove he can play a full match," Rawlings said.
"He will play when it's deemed he's fit enough and there's a spot available.
"It's in his control somewhat. It was his first step back on the road to recovery."
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,23979175-19895,00.html
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Cogs' diary: part two
richmondfc.com.au
By Mark Coughlan
Mon 07 July, 2008
Mark Coughlan has been to Germany for radical treatment on his troublesome hamstrings with Dr Hans-Wilhelm Muller-Wolfhart. This is part two of his story of the trip.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/tabid/6301/Default.aspx?newsid=62661
"When you do a hammy, the actual tear stays in the muscle for 10 weeks. For anyone who's not a footy player, they tell you not to do major physical activity for 10 weeks, whereas we have the pressure to get back out there. It's part of the game."
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Cogs' diary: part two
richmondfc.com.au
By Mark Coughlan
Mon 07 July, 2008
Mark Coughlan has been to Germany for radical treatment on his troublesome hamstrings with Dr Hans-Wilhelm Muller-Wolfhart. This is part two of his story of the trip.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/tabid/6301/Default.aspx?newsid=62661
"When you do a hammy, the actual tear stays in the muscle for 10 weeks. For anyone who's not a footy player, they tell you not to do major physical activity for 10 weeks, whereas we have the pressure to get back out there. It's part of the game."
never heard of anyone being told a hammy is 10 weeks, god who is looking after this lad
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sorry but the guy aint Lazerus...
I just can't see a fairytale ending....sad aint I. :pray
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Cogs' diary: part two
richmondfc.com.au
By Mark Coughlan
Mon 07 July, 2008
Mark Coughlan has been to Germany for radical treatment on his troublesome hamstrings with Dr Hans-Wilhelm Muller-Wolfhart. This is part two of his story of the trip.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/tabid/6301/Default.aspx?newsid=62661
"When you do a hammy, the actual tear stays in the muscle for 10 weeks. For anyone who's not a footy player, they tell you not to do major physical activity for 10 weeks, whereas we have the pressure to get back out there. It's part of the game."
never heard of anyone being told a hammy is 10 weeks, god who is looking after this lad
I assume he means when the hamstring tears it takes 10 weeks to fully heal. That's why there's always in increased risk of tearing in the immediate few games after the return, it's not fully healed.
Sounds right to me.
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he must have weak limbs, that be the reason. seen many bad hammy & never been 10 week'ers
l aint heard any doc tell me or others any different but l suppose his does ;D cause he be a idiot & probably tell him footy is bad for him also, like a doctor telling me all my tattoo's are very bad & can cause cancer but she had a nose stud which can cause major bacterial infections :lol they tell you anythjing if they dont agree with it themselves but when they get home from work attack the drugs & grog just like us :rollin
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Just cause a player can play again after 3-4 weeks doesn't mean that it's fully healed. He's spot on and would know more about it than you clowns. It takes 10+ weeks for any soft tissue injury to be completely healed.
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Just cause a player can play again after 3-4 weeks doesn't mean that it's fully healed. He's spot on and would know more about it than you clowns. It takes 10+ weeks for any soft tissue injury to be completely healed.
hey l'm in my mid 40's & still get out on the training track every week, l reckon l got better hammies than him
His body is not able to stand up to AFL football cant you see that, sorry forgot your not very bright we are all clowns that are laughing remember
had plenty of soft tissue injury, some very serious, can show you the scars but none of them took 10 weeks to heal ever & l played 368 senior games
some players have softy bodies that cant handle the rigors, & doctors of today are against football & want it softened up thats why all these injuries these days are made out to be so serious & take so long to heal
Also Imfamy l have done trainer courses in my time in football so that l can get out & put back into the game l enjoyed
There is a current AFL employed head trainer in my family & ex players VFA/VFL/AFL in my family but we all stuffin clowns in your books & know nothing
if a hammy took 10 weeks to cure Robert harvey would never had played so many games of AFL & is still playing stuffin wake up from your armchair lad
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Just cause a player can play again after 3-4 weeks doesn't mean that it's fully healed. He's spot on and would know more about it than you clowns. It takes 10+ weeks for any soft tissue injury to be completely healed.
hey l'm in my mid 40's & still get out on the training track every week, l reckon l got better hammies than him
His body is not able to stand up to AFL football cant you see that, sorry forgot your not very bright we are all clowns that are laughing remember
had plenty of soft tissue injury, some very serious, can show you the scars but none of them took 10 weeks to heal ever & l played 368 senior games
some players have softy bodies that cant handle the rigors, & doctors of today are against football & want it softened up thats why all these injuries these days are made out to be so serious & take so long to heal
Also Imfamy l have done trainer courses in my time in football so that l can get out & put back into the game l enjoyed
There is a current AFL employed head trainer in my family & ex players VFA/VFL/AFL in my family but we all effin clowns in your books & know nothing
if a hammy took 10 weeks to cure Robert harvey would never had played so many games of AFL & is still playing effin wake up from your armchair lad
No disrespect Tm but I dont think your hammys are under quite the stress that Cogs are while he's training and playing at AFL level. ;)
Surely you know a grade 3 hamstring, i.e. a recurring hammy that is strained but does significant damage with take 10-14 weeks to fully heal.
Not everyone only gets a grade 1 that is a 2-3 week normal recovery.
Cogs is at the severe end of the spectrum which is why it takes so long to heal.
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Just cause a player can play again after 3-4 weeks doesn't mean that it's fully healed. He's spot on and would know more about it than you clowns. It takes 10+ weeks for any soft tissue injury to be completely healed.
hey l'm in my mid 40's & still get out on the training track every week, l reckon l got better hammies than him
His body is not able to stand up to AFL football cant you see that, sorry forgot your not very bright we are all clowns that are laughing remember
had plenty of soft tissue injury, some very serious, can show you the scars but none of them took 10 weeks to heal ever & l played 368 senior games
some players have softy bodies that cant handle the rigors, & doctors of today are against football & want it softened up thats why all these injuries these days are made out to be so serious & take so long to heal
Also Imfamy l have done trainer courses in my time in football so that l can get out & put back into the game l enjoyed
There is a current AFL employed head trainer in my family & ex players VFA/VFL/AFL in my family but we all effin clowns in your books & know nothing
if a hammy took 10 weeks to cure Robert harvey would never had played so many games of AFL & is still playing effin wake up from your armchair lad
No disrespect Tm but I dont think your hammys are under quite the stress that Cogs are while he's training and playing at AFL level. ;)
Surely you know a grade 3 hamstring, i.e. a recurring hammy that is strained but does significant damage with take 10-14 weeks to fully heal.
Not everyone only gets a grade 1 that is a 2-3 week normal recovery.
Cogs is at the severe end of the spectrum which is why it takes so long to heal.
your correct TA, just because his employed by a AFL club dont mean he trains any harder than what l push myself in the Gym, Pool, Martial Arts, or footy training at my age. l always been a fitness freak & dont plan on giving up soon as l got the kids pushing & l'm helping to push them 1 of them being a very good fullback player
sometimes players get injuries cause they dont do enough & slack off
Take a look at Tommy Hafey, he a prime example of someone who knows no limit,
Robert Harvey is another example of a elite sportsman l hold in high regard & players could model off
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Just cause a player can play again after 3-4 weeks doesn't mean that it's fully healed. He's spot on and would know more about it than you clowns. It takes 10+ weeks for any soft tissue injury to be completely healed.
hey l'm in my mid 40's & still get out on the training track every week, l reckon l got better hammies than him
His body is not able to stand up to AFL football cant you see that, sorry forgot your not very bright we are all clowns that are laughing remember
had plenty of soft tissue injury, some very serious, can show you the scars but none of them took 10 weeks to heal ever & l played 368 senior games
some players have softy bodies that cant handle the rigors, & doctors of today are against football & want it softened up thats why all these injuries these days are made out to be so serious & take so long to heal
Also Imfamy l have done trainer courses in my time in football so that l can get out & put back into the game l enjoyed
There is a current AFL employed head trainer in my family & ex players VFA/VFL/AFL in my family but we all effin clowns in your books & know nothing
if a hammy took 10 weeks to cure Robert harvey would never had played so many games of AFL & is still playing effin wake up from your armchair lad
No disrespect Tm but I dont think your hammys are under quite the stress that Cogs are while he's training and playing at AFL level. ;)
Surely you know a grade 3 hamstring, i.e. a recurring hammy that is strained but does significant damage with take 10-14 weeks to fully heal.
Not everyone only gets a grade 1 that is a 2-3 week normal recovery.
Cogs is at the severe end of the spectrum which is why it takes so long to heal.
your correct TA, just because his employed by a AFL club dont mean he trains any harder than what l push myself in the Gym, Pool, Martial Arts, or footy training at my age. l always been a fitness freak & dont plan on giving up soon as l got the kids pushing & l'm helping to push them 1 of them being a very good fullback player
sometimes players get injuries cause they dont do enough & slack off
Take a look at Tommy Hafey, he a prime example of someone who knows no limit,
Robert Harvey is another example of a elite sportsman l hold in high regard & players could model off
Yes, players can be called lazy but that normally just means they still push themselves very hard still compared to a usual trainer.
ANyway we know how hard Cogs works in his case and a lack of effort certainly isnt Cogs problem.
Lets remember it was a Cogs diary so what he writes may be in his severe case only and relates to players that have problems like him, (Dew for one), that he may have not been referring to all injuries need that long to come back from heal enough to play to a sufficient capacity.
Damn sport science, so many bloody different circumstances can be between different players we could run round in circles with different examples. :lol ;)
Anyway point is in Cogs situation his hamstring are ruined and I dont know why he is back so soon after radical treatment. While he would want to be back ASAP I wouldnt want him playing for another 4 weeks, hell he has another year on his contract so do it right and the long road for one final shot. THere arent many left for Cogs. :'(
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yep too much to get into medical terms ;D l'm no doctor nor wanted to be one, just like pretty nurses ;D
l'm not suprised his back so soon as working the legs are the best thing & many chronic injury players who had the same treatment have recovered very well & returned quickly & l think thats the main idea of the treatment
l'm interested in the longterm outcome of this medical treatment by what the sportsmen are having injected into them if it will effect them in any other terms in thier future life.
l'm also hoping that Coughlan returns & can be good player again
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Cogs got through
richmondfc.com.au
By Mic Cullen
5:20 PM Tue 08 July, 2008
The good news is that 2003 Dyer Medallist Coughlan got through three quarters of VFL reserves for Coburg before being taken from the ground for the final term to rest.
"I was really pleased that he got through – we only played him at VFL reserve grade level just for the fact that he has control of how much game time [he played]. If something went wrong and you wanted to pull the pin after 15minutes, it's easier to do it at that level.
"He'll definitely play VFL seniors this week, and we expect him to start stepping up.
"It's probably the first time that I've seen him on the training track really seriously kicking through the footy and driving the footy.
"Over the last seven days probably, it's the first time I've seen him do it since the knee down in Tasmania, so it's been that long since I've actually seen him look free and really kicking the ball like he really wants to kick the footy."
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/Season2007/News/NewsArticle/tabid/6301/Default.aspx?newsId=62926
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After seeing Jobe Watson destroy us around the clearances on Saturday, I hope Cogs comes back and can do a job like that. :pray
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After seeing Jobe Watson destroy us around the clearances on Saturday, I hope Cogs comes back and can do a job like that. :pray
that he did, but when it counted in the last quarter he went missing and our mids controlled the game, that was pleasing to see. just remember most teams just let watson get the ball because more often than not he turns it over. it was just unlucky for us that for the 1st 3 quarters he was hitting most targets which is not common for him
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After seeing Jobe Watson destroy us around the clearances on Saturday, I hope Cogs comes back and can do a job like that. :pray
that he did, but when it counted in the last quarter he went missing and our mids controlled the game, that was pleasing to see. just remember most teams just let watson get the ball because more often than not he turns it over. it was just unlucky for us that for the 1st 3 quarters he was hitting most targets which is not common for him
Watson first game against us this year would be his worst game ever
he surprised me with his game on Saturday it was a huge improvement but not enough to win it for them but close :lol
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how has Mark gone the last two weeks ... ???
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Watson first game against us this year would be his worst game ever
he surprised me with his game on Saturday it was a huge improvement but not enough to win it for them but close :lol
Agree TM, and something worth noting re: Watson was that for a fair chunk of the game Cotchin was playing on him in a more defensive role. Could have been any number of reasons for it but they highlighted his lack of experience with accountability, on TV at the time. Watson had a fairly easy run of it on Saturday and I'll bet Cotchin learnt a fair bit.
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Watson first game against us this year would be his worst game ever
he surprised me with his game on Saturday it was a huge improvement but not enough to win it for them but close :lol
Agree TM, and something worth noting re: Watson was that for a fair chunk of the game Cotchin was playing on him in a more defensive role. Could have been any number of reasons for it but they highlighted his lack of experience with accountability, on TV at the time. Watson had a fairly easy run of it on Saturday and I'll bet Cotchin learnt a fair bit.
back on topic our man Cogs, did he get reported on the weekend, he give out a nice headbutt in the 1st & was in the biff the last quarter, looked like he was loosing the later one. l think it might of been Meyer (not sure) trying to get the player off him, if it was his peeweak & needs to bulk up cause he aint going anywhere quickly. Seen this in the Coburg/Willy package put up by Peter/1161.
Its good to see him getting through games now & is getting through the recovery & training sessions, still dont think he will be used this year & needs to get lots more game time & feel of the game. l'm only 2 bites out of the humble pie at present ;D
Oh on Cotchin yeah its funny how nobody mentioned that one Smokey :thumbsup thier too busy bagging Bowden not watching the game, good surveilance :thumbsup
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Gee i wish he can make it back.
seriously how good would it be
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back on topic our man Cogs, ......
Its good to see him getting through games now & is getting through the recovery & training sessions, still dont think he will be used this year & needs to get lots more game time & feel of the game. l'm only 2 bites out of the humble pie at present ;D
We agree 100% on his role for the rest of this season. If he holds up I would keep playing him in the reduced pressure environment of the VFL, allowing his body to regain strength and him to regain confidence. Then a full pre-season will put him in with the best possible chance of making a successful comeback. I'm still very guarded about his chances and get nervous every time I see there is a new post to this thread. :-\
And I sure won't make you eat a full humble pie if he makes it back. It will be the best (and somewhat unexpected) outcome if he does return successfully and I know you have already said that you will be happy with that. Maybe just a couple of small pieces of pie!! ;D ;D
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Snippet from Sportal
22/07/2008 3:20:46 PM
Angus Morgan
Wallace said: "He needs to get a continuity of five or six games running just to find out exactly where he's at."
"Until you can trust your body to that degree, you don't know where it's going to take you."
"He's still a fair way off in playing form at the moment but that can come to hand pretty quick once you start playing regular footy."
http://sportal.com.au/afl-news-display/richo-ready-to-return-52916
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back on topic our man Cogs, did he get reported on the weekend, he give out a nice headbutt in the 1st & was in the biff the last quarter, looked like he was loosing the later one. l think it might of been Meyer (not sure) trying to get the player off him, if it was his peeweak & needs to bulk up cause he aint going anywhere quickly. Seen this in the Coburg/Willy package put up by Peter/1161.
Just to clear things up Monk, After viewing the footage, it was Fort Caruso not Meyer struggling to pull the Willy off Cogs in that little Mele. :lol
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back on topic our man Cogs, ......
Its good to see him getting through games now & is getting through the recovery & training sessions, still dont think he will be used this year & needs to get lots more game time & feel of the game. l'm only 2 bites out of the humble pie at present ;D
We agree 100% on his role for the rest of this season. If he holds up I would keep playing him in the reduced pressure environment of the VFL, allowing his body to regain strength and him to regain confidence. Then a full pre-season will put him in with the best possible chance of making a successful comeback. I'm still very guarded about his chances and get nervous every time I see there is a new post to this thread. :-\
And I sure won't make you eat a full humble pie if he makes it back. It will be the best (and somewhat unexpected) outcome if he does return successfully and I know you have already said that you will be happy with that. Maybe just a couple of small pieces of pie!! ;D ;D
;D
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back on topic our man Cogs, did he get reported on the weekend, he give out a nice headbutt in the 1st & was in the biff the last quarter, looked like he was loosing the later one. l think it might of been Meyer (not sure) trying to get the player off him, if it was his peeweak & needs to bulk up cause he aint going anywhere quickly. Seen this in the Coburg/Willy package put up by Peter/1161.
Just to clear things up Monk, After viewing the footage, it was Fort Caruso not Meyer struggling to pull the Willy off Cogs in that little Mele. :lol
Thanks Tiga :thumbsup wasn't sure as l never had a second look, but l noticed there got some quick little people down at Coburg & some can throw themselves around except Fort Caruso :lol ;D but some are built for speed not wrestling ;D
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Rawlings in EOTT on Cogs:
"Turned the corner in this game. Had 19 possessions in 50% game time. Was able to win the ball in close and also spread well."
http://210.50.4.102/rfc/
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richmondfc.com.au
By Mic Cullen
12:26 PM Wed 30 July, 2008
Mark Coughlan is also going well as he recovers from chronic hamstring problems following two knee reconstructions.
Coughlan has been playing with Richmond's VFL affiliate Coburg after his trip to Germany for treatment in May, and is still a chance to play senior football this year after three matches in the VFL so far.
The 26-year-old showed promising signs in his last hit-out against Williamstown two weeks ago before having last weekend off due to a bye in the VFL. He had 19 possessions in 50 per cent of game time and won and used the ball well.
"It's a wait-and-see – he's played now a couple of games, two or three games, in a row," Wallace said of the 2003 best-and-fairest winner. "He's performed better in each of those games.
"He's probably done it more on courage and head-over-the-ball stuff than ability to run and spread and create, which is the next level of footy.
"I would sort-of say that realistically he's still a bit off the mark at the moment, but two or three weeks of continuity in footy, you don't know."
http://afl.com.au/News/NEWSARTICLE/tabid/208/Default.aspx?newsId=64407
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While we are still a realistic chance to play finals we won't see Cogs this year. The only chance he has of playing this year is if we are out of the finals where we will also see players such as Meyer, Rance and Collins possibly making an appearance.
Stripes
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Can someone remind me of his contract situation? End of 09?
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Should send Casserly over there as a pre-emptive strike for 09'.
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Rawlings comments in EOTT on Cogs:
"Another step in the right direction in his return from injury. Showed he’s still a very good clearance player, and is now starting to add some run to his game. Had 21 possessions."
http://210.50.4.102/rfc/
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thats good news
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Cogs needs a full preseason to really get his run back. He hasn't a full one in years. Then we'll see if he can still play at AFL level. There's nothing to worry about as far as his inside work at stoppages. That's still all there and it'd be a bonus as he'd take some of the workload off Foley and Tuck. But if Cogs can't run or has lost pace (he wasn't that quick before the groin/knee injuries) then the opposition will exploit it.
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Rawlings' latest report on Cogs:
"Was really good in the clinches and extremely courageous in marking situations. His kicking just let him down a bit at times. Has fitted in well with his Coburg teammates."
http://210.50.4.102/rfc/
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Rawlings on Cogs:
Had 40 possessions in a dominant display. Was very clean with his ball-handling, and his skill level right throughout the game was good. Is now running freely and in very good form.
http://210.50.4.102/rfc/
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Sad to say that Cogs looks gone as far as an AFL player goes. He's still good in and under but has no pace now once the ball is out. A full preseason may help but he looks gone based on today :'(.
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Sad to say that Cogs looks gone as far as an AFL player goes. He's still good in and under but has no pace now once the ball is out. A full preseason may help but he looks gone based on today :'(.
Since when did Cogs ever have pace? His in and under work is exactly what we need, not his outside stuff.
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Sad to say that Cogs looks gone as far as an AFL player goes. He's still good in and under but has no pace now once the ball is out. A full preseason may help but he looks gone based on today :'(.
Since when did Cogs ever have pace? His in and under work is exactly what we need, not his outside stuff.
He used to have enough to get by but you cant just be an in-and-under player anymore, you have to also be an outside player with the pace to make space for yourself.
The game has changed and all we can do is hope it hasnt left Cogs behind. :pray
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Sad to say that Cogs looks gone as far as an AFL player goes. He's still good in and under but has no pace now once the ball is out. A full preseason may help but he looks gone based on today :'(.
Since when did Cogs ever have pace? His in and under work is exactly what we need, not his outside stuff.
He used to have enough to get by but you cant just be an in-and-under player anymore, you have to also be an outside player with the pace to make space for yourself.
The game has changed and all we can do is hope it hasnt left Cogs behind. :pray
Exactly TA. The game has quickened up immensely in the last 2 years. I hope I'm wrong and Cogs deserves the benefit of finally a full unrestricted preseason to build back up his fitness base but yesterday he looked miles away from being able to play AFL footy.
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Rawlings on Coughlan in EOTT:
One of our real competitors on the day. Was continually in the thick of the action. At times, won some good ball and helped get us through the corridor, but generally struggled to step out of congestion.
http://210.50.4.102/rfc/
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SEN's got their footy hour on now with Emma Quayle and they said Cogs has been seen around town looking sharp in the mind and body. He's missed and been robbed of a lot of his footy career but if he can get back and slot into our young midfield he'll make a big difference.
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Snippet from Sportal: Cambo on Cogs..
Campbell says Coughlan is enjoying an excellent pre-season is on track for a senior return next season.
Coughlan, like Cousins, is a proven ball winner but has played just 41 games in the past five seasons - since his stellar 2003 season - due to groin, knee and hamstring injuries.
"He has had a ban run but he is coming good I reckon," Campbell said.
"He just looks like he has got a bit more power in his legs and certainly over the last four weeks of training he just looks to have a bit more of his old zip back."
Campbell said Coughlan has not missed a training session with his body holding up much better since the revolutionary treatment he received in Germany earlier this year to strengthen his hamstrings.
"I am optimistic on him and the more you see him at training, the more impressive he has been."
http://sportal.com.au/afl-news-display/cuz-excites-campbell-62267
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Snippet from Sportal: Cambo on Cogs..
Campbell says Coughlan is enjoying an excellent pre-season is on track for a senior return next season.
Coughlan, like Cousins, is a proven ball winner but has played just 41 games in the past five seasons - since his stellar 2003 season - due to groin, knee and hamstring injuries.
"He has had a ban run but he is coming good I reckon," Campbell said.
"He just looks like he has got a bit more power in his legs and certainly over the last four weeks of training he just looks to have a bit more of his old zip back."
Campbell said Coughlan has not missed a training session with his body holding up much better since the revolutionary treatment he received in Germany earlier this year to strengthen his hamstrings.
"I am optimistic on him and the more you see him at training, the more impressive he has been."
http://sportal.com.au/afl-news-display/cuz-excites-campbell-62267
Things are looking good :clapping
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an important Cog in our planned 2009 revival
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Cogs is a bonus player now days. When he went down initially it was devistating, then he seemed to be injured year after year right when we needed him the most. Now when we seem to have an abundance of quality midfield options Cogs seems to be coming good. It would be ironic if Cogs finally found form just when he is not really needed.
If he can add depth or, better yet, fight his way back into the midfield lineup (no mean feat when competing with the likes of Cousins, Foley, Lids, Tuck, White and now Thomson and Hislop) then it can only be good for the club.
He's not over the line yet but I can see him coming...
Stripes
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Cogs is a bonus player now days. When he went down initially it was devistating, then he seemed to be injured year after year right when we needed him the most. Now when we seem to have an abundance of quality midfield options Cogs seems to be coming good. It would be ironic if Cogs finally found form just when he is not really needed.
If he can add depth or, better yet, fight his way back into the midfield lineup (no mean feat when competing with the likes of Cousins, Foley, Lids, Tuck, White and now Thomson and Hislop) then it can only be good for the club.
He's not over the line yet but I can see him coming...
Stripes
Cogs fit wouldn't hurt!
HB: Newman - x - Tambling
C: Richo - Coughlan - Deledio
HF: Cotchin - Reiwoldt - Cousins
F: Brown - x - x
OB: Simmonds - Tuck - Foley
Need as many gun on ballers as possbile.
Thomson, White, Johnson next in line.
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A fit Coughlan makes our midfield even more exciting
Look at Geelong's midfield and see how good they are because they have so much midfield depth
Tuck & Coughlan feeding out to Deledio, Foley, Cousins & Cotchin plus Richo for good measure
Not half bad that, would go a long way to making the Top 4 if we can have all of them fit for the year
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ohhhh a fit and '03 Coughlan, would be brilliant!
Coughlan and Cousins sharing Centre duties, while Cotchin has a stint. The three "C's"!
Shane Tuck, Mark Coughlan, Kane Johnson, Nathan Foley, Brett Deledio, Richard Tambling, Adam Thomson, Trent Cotchin, Ben Cousins, Dean Polo, Daniel Jackson, Chris Newman, Nathan Brown, Matthew White, Andrew Raines, Shane Edwards - can all play in the midfield!
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Cogs is a bonus player now days. When he went down initially it was devistating, then he seemed to be injured year after year right when we needed him the most. Now when we seem to have an abundance of quality midfield options Cogs seems to be coming good. It would be ironic if Cogs finally found form just when he is not really needed.
If he can add depth or, better yet, fight his way back into the midfield lineup (no mean feat when competing with the likes of Cousins, Foley, Lids, Tuck, White and now Thomson and Hislop) then it can only be good for the club.
He's not over the line yet but I can see him coming...
Exactly Stripes. Cogs is a bonus. It would be a real football tragedy if Cogs wasn't able to comeback. Last year even at Coburg he still was good in close feeding the ball out but once the ball was cleared from stoppages he would go missing unable to keep up with the changing modern running game of the last 2 years. Hopefully for his sake his first full uninterrupted preseason can finally turn things around for him and he can build up his fitness and running power o a level where he can compete at AFL level :pray.
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There will be a few unlucky guys playing at Coburg this year, gunna be great for the team tho :thumbsup
:santa
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We need good wings, flankers and pocket players, loved Tambo's four quater run lat year, we can always make room for form players. Dont forget Edwards, I belive he might be the big improver great skills with a bigger body as well as Collins, hard at with good skills , if he gets a good pre season behind him as he was knocking on the door late last year.
Hawthorn played Brown in the forward pocket last year.
Get stuck in boys, your playing for a spot in final(S) baring disaster.
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We need good wings, flankers and pocket players
And who would've thought we'd be saying that now after all the bagging about drafting too many flanker types in the past like Fiora ;D. I prefer we use talented mids we've drafted like Tambo on the wings, flanks and pockets when they aren't being used in the midfield rather than trying to manufacture ballwinning mids out of drafted flankers like we did in the past and failing miserably.
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it will indeed be a bonus if cogs can reproduce his form and make an impact at the level...I havent factorewd him in to be honest as I believe he's coming from a long way back...Best of luck I say...gee there will be some unlucky guys missing out in 2009 :rollin
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ohhhh a fit and '03 Coughlan, would be brilliant!
Coughlan and Cousins sharing Centre duties, while Cotchin has a stint. The three "C's"!
Shane Tuck, Mark Coughlan, Kane Johnson, Nathan Foley, Brett Deledio, Richard Tambling, Adam Thomson, Trent Cotchin, Ben Cousins, Dean Polo, Daniel Jackson, Chris Newman, Nathan Brown, Matthew White, Andrew Raines, Shane Edwards - can all play in the midfield!
Hope Cogs can get to decent playing standard again, however the nature of the structural injuries that he has suffered do impact on the ability of the body to translate mental will into performance.
That list above Torch clearly demonstrates why the likes of Meyer, Hyde & Tivva are no longer on the RFC list, however lets hope that some of the non-essential flankers are not at the Tigers in 2010.
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We need good wings, flankers and pocket players
And who would've thought we'd be saying that now after all the bagging about drafting too many flanker types in the past like Fiora ;D. I prefer we use talented mids we've drafted like Tambo on the wings, flanks and pockets when they aren't being used in the midfield rather than trying to manufacture ballwinning mids out of drafted flankers like we did in the past and failing miserably.
A guy who used to post on Tiger-Talk and Big Footy who I'm sure many will know or know of - Damien Streets (Weaver) posted a theory a number of years ago about midfielders and he used the descriptor "overflowing hamburger". He said that like a hamburger - you keep adding ingredients, it starts to hang out the sides until it overflows past the edges of the bun and you can't keep it contained within the bun no matter what you try - the key to a successful team was to stack your midfield with as many good mids as you could get, the more the better, as no opposition could counter a team full of good mids. He acknowledged the importance of key position players but said the overriding factor was the quality and quantity of mids. He quoted all of the recent successful teams (he posted this years ago but his theory has held true since) and each one had a midfield that met this criteria. This is what we are building now and I'm sure it is why the club concentrated more heavily on drafting mids in the early TW/GM years before 'filling in the blanks' over the last couple of years. I (and many others) have a lot of respect for Damien's opinions and views (he is a very astute judge of draft candidates), and he has since been employed in the footy department of a rival club (hence his disappearance from the forums) so it points to the value some in the industry place on his opinion and knowledge. I think we will continue to see our hamburger overflow this year and the results will speak for themselves.
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ohhhh a fit and '03 Coughlan, would be brilliant!
Coughlan and Cousins sharing Centre duties, while Cotchin has a stint. The three "C's"!
Shane Tuck, Mark Coughlan, Kane Johnson, Nathan Foley, Brett Deledio, Richard Tambling, Adam Thomson, Trent Cotchin, Ben Cousins, Dean Polo, Daniel Jackson, Chris Newman, Nathan Brown, Matthew White, Andrew Raines, Shane Edwards - can all play in the midfield!
Hope Cogs can get to decent playing standard again, however the nature of the structural injuries that he has suffered do impact on the ability of the body to translate mental will into performance.
If Cogs gets 90% back to his best
Cogs 2009 > Tuck 2009
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We need good wings, flankers and pocket players
And who would've thought we'd be saying that now after all the bagging about drafting too many flanker types in the past like Fiora ;D. I prefer we use talented mids we've drafted like Tambo on the wings, flanks and pockets when they aren't being used in the midfield rather than trying to manufacture ballwinning mids out of drafted flankers like we did in the past and failing miserably.
A guy who used to post on Tiger-Talk and Big Footy who I'm sure many will know or know of - Damien Streets (Weaver) posted a theory a number of years ago about midfielders and he used the descriptor "overflowing hamburger". He said that like a hamburger - you keep adding ingredients, it starts to hang out the sides until it overflows past the edges of the bun and you can't keep it contained within the bun no matter what you try - the key to a successful team was to stack your midfield with as many good mids as you could get, the more the better, as no opposition could counter a team full of good mids. He acknowledged the importance of key position players but said the overriding factor was the quality and quantity of mids. He quoted all of the recent successful teams (he posted this years ago but his theory has held true since) and each one had a midfield that met this criteria. This is what we are building now and I'm sure it is why the club concentrated more heavily on drafting mids in the early TW/GM years before 'filling in the blanks' over the last couple of years. I (and many others) have a lot of respect for Damien's opinions and views (he is a very astute judge of draft candidates), and he has since been employed in the footy department of a rival club (hence his disappearance from the forums) so it points to the value some in the industry place on his opinion and knowledge. I think we will continue to see our hamburger overflow this year and the results will speak for themselves.
I always have had time for Weaver's opinions, he knows what he's talking about, shame his knowledge is going to another club.
He's right this time as usual, you need an over abundance of midfielders who if they can't make it in the guts at AFL level, will still make a good flanker or back flanker/pocket. You don't want to pick specialist back pockets or forward flankers like we have in the past and found that they can't even make that position at AFL level cause they sure as hell won't make good midfielders. Obviously you need some class in your outside midfielders, they need to have pace and skill, but if they were elite junior midfielders, then they should always be able to play somewhere at AFL level.
A good midfield instantly makes your defenders and your forwards look much better than they really are. Just have a look at Quinten Lynch.
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weaver reckons joel selwood = pettifer
hmm.
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From the Age...
Richmond's 2003 best and fairest, 26-year-old Mark Coughlan, who injuries have prevented from playing a home and away game since mid-2006, is a good chance to line up.
"He's going fantastic, he's actually surprised us how well he's going and he's certainly in contention for NAB (Cup round) one," Royal said on Wednesday.
Coughlan had back-to-back knee reconstructions in the 2006 season and 2007 pre-season, then had his comeback attempt last year thwarted by repeated hamstring injuries.
But after making it through several VFL games late in 2008, he has not missed a beat in the current pre-season.
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/cousins-comeback-unlikely-to-be-at-subi/2009/01/14/1231608769393.html
Brett Deledio was another rapt with his fellow midfielder’s progress.
“If you watch him closely at training, I don’t think he’s missed a beat right through the pre-season,” the 21-year-old said.
“He’s done all the running, he seems as agile as ever, and what can I say? He’s going really well.”
http://afl.com.au/AFL2008/News/Article/tabid/208/default.aspx?newsid=71275
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Coughlan ready for return to the big time
richmondfc.com.au
By Mic Cullen
Tue 20 January, 2009
MARK Coughlan is ready to put years of frustration behind him and hopes to start turning things around in Richmond's first NAB Cup game in a few weeks.
The 2003 best-and-fairest winner has had a wretched few years, with two knee reconstructions leading to chronic hamstring issues, injuries that have kept him sidelined since round 12, 2006.
But successful treatment in Germany last season saw him return to the track with Coburg for the last few games of the year, and that has flowed through into the pre-season.
After training at a hot Punt Rd on Tuesday, he declared he was ready to re-enter the big time.
"It's pretty exciting – I've done most of the pre-season, and I'm just trying to get through the rest of January now and put my hand up for that first game against Fremantle over there," he said.
"I'm feeling pretty good in the body - this year's just been a bonus, being able to do a pre-season and the group's looking pretty good for the year, so I'm pretty excited about maybe being a part of that."
The 26-year-old admitted he was a touch nervous as he looked to play his first game at a senior level for a long time.
"I guess it's a bit of an unknown for me – the game has changed a fair bit in three years, and I haven't played since 2006.
"For me it's really exciting, just being able to get out there and see how we're going to go about it.
"There are a lot of young guys at the club – Brett Deledio – that I haven't played a lot of games with, so I'm just excited about maybe getting out with them."
Coughlan said he was confident that his time out of the game hadn't diminished his ability to play.
"I want to play but it's a bit of an unknown for me – I've certainly got the confidence that I can still mix it at AFL level, but it's just about, when I get the opportunity, making the most of it.
"I've got the fitness, now it's just about taking it into games.
"There are four or five games, including intra-clubs that you can play in, and you need that two or three games, at least, running into a season."
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/News/NewsArticle/tabid/6301/Default.aspx?newsId=71371
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Cursed Tiger Mark Coughlan starts afresh
Rebecca Williams | January 21, 2009 12:00am
RICHMOND midfielder Mark Coughlan admits he is nervous about making his AFL comeback after more than two years in the wilderness.
The 2003 Tigers best-and-fairest is aiming for a return in next month's NAB Cup opener against Fremantle at Subiaco, more than 30 months since his last AFL match in Round 12, 2006.
"I guess it's a bit of an unknown for me," Coughlan said at Punt Rd yesterday.
"I mean the game has changed a fair bit in three years and I haven't played since 2006. It's really exciting actually just being able to get out there and see how we are going to go about it.
"There is a lot of young guys at the club, like Brett Deledio, that I haven't played many games with.
"I'm just excited about getting out with them."
Related LinksSuperFooty Forum: Who is the unluckiest player?
Coughlan has endured a horror injury run.
The 26-year-old had back-to-back knee reconstructions in 2006 and in the 2007 pre-season before repeated hamstring injuries ruined his comeback hopes last year.
The Tigers sent Coughlan to Germany for intensive treatment on his hamstring mid-way through last season and he was eventually able to play the last eight games of the season for Coburg in the VFL.
Coughlan said he had not missed a beat on the track this pre-season.
"It's pretty exciting. I've done most of the pre-season. I'm just trying to get through the rest of January now and hopefully put my hand up against Fremantle over there," Coughlan said.
"I am feeling pretty good in the body. This year has just been a bonus to be able to do a pre-season and the group is looking pretty good for the year, so I am pretty excited about maybe being part of that."
Coughlan admitted there were times last season that he doubted if he would be back.
"I wouldn't lie, I probably would say that," he said.
"It was my third year out of the game and I just wasn't getting out on the track really, let alone playing."
While he is confident he is well prepared for a return, Coughlan said he was keeping his expectations for 2009 low.
"The expectations are: there are no expectations," Coughlan said.
Coughlan said he was enjoying training alongside fellow West Australian Ben Cousins.
"It's been good just having him out on the track. He doesn't miss too many kicks. He's a bit of a Rolls-Royce out there," Coughlan said.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,24940703-19742,00.html
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They fail to mention that he also had the groin problems for most of 2004.
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I don't think anyone has doubted Cogs work in, under and around packs/stoppages but I have had concerns about his run and carry. Last year I saw signs he may have dropped off the pace a bit and got lost once the ball was moving. I worry about him being exploited but his opponent when they spread away but by the sounds of it he has regained much of his speed so my concerns may soon be a thing of the past.
I hope Cogs becomes a part of our midfield strength but I would like to see he matching up against our other mids particularly Tuck, Foley, Lids and our new in and under recruit Thomson, before I make up my mind.
Stripes
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I'll happily let Cogs take Johnsons spot.
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What else we've miss with him out injured for so long - Cogs not being afraid to throw his body around....
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=rbNyfl33GEU&feature=related (http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=rbNyfl33GEU&feature=related)
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Coughlan on the comeback trail
richmondfc.com.au
By Mic Cullen
7:44 PM Tue 07 April, 2009
MARK Coughlan is once again on the comeback trail after a stellar performance for Coburg on the weekend.
Coughlan, who has had two knee reconstructions and been to Germany for hamstring treatment, was playing his first game since he again injured his knee before the NAB Cup.
The 26-year-old was set to play in Richmond’s NAB Cup match against Fremantle but the cartilage injury and subsequent surgery put him back several weeks.
Richmond football manager Ross Monaghan said the weekend’s run was terrific.
“His first game was on Sunday, the last practice game for Coburg before VFL round one starts this weekend,” Monaghan told richmondfc.com.au on Tuesday.
“They played against Casey Scorpions out at Casey Fields and it was a really big step forward for him because he hasn’t played for awhile.
“He had plenty of touches, laid 10 tackles and the best thing about it was he recovered really well, so it was really pleasing, not only from a playing point-of-view but also because his body got through it just fine.”
Not surprisingly, Monaghan said the 2003 best-and-fairest winner was more than happy with his weekend’s work.
“He’s really buoyant about the fact that he’s out there – he’s just happy to finally get out there and have a game.
“His summer training was fantastic and he was all set to play but he’s just had one setback after another, so to get out there and play a full game like he did on the weekend and have a practice match before round one of the VFL is a great step ahead for him.”
Several other Tigers were good on the day in both the firsts and the seconds, including two who are yet to play for Richmond.
“Adam Thomson had a really good game – Thommo’s just been held up a little bit with a sternum issue in the last week or so, but he was in terrific form on the weekend.
“And Jayden Post was good after half time – he spent the first half in the backline and the second half on the wing and was in some good form.
“We’re just really pleased with what he showed on the weekend – we’ve got a lot of time for him and we were pleased with what he did.”
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/74578/default.aspx
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I find it a bit odd that Ross thinks it was his first game back ,could have sworn it was cogs playing 3/4ers @ Princes Park on the previous saturday !!!
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Tough Tiger Mark Coughlan back from wilderness
Jon Ralph | April 08, 2009
MARK Coughlan, has roared back into contention for a senior call-up after a 41-possession, 10-tackle display for Coburg.
The forgotten Richmond midfield star dominated Sunday's VFL practice match against the Casey Scorpions, which showcased the successful return of Melbourne forward Russell Robertson.
The Tigers' 2003 best-and-fairest winner, who turns 27 this month, needs more VFL footy, but has put himself in the frame for senior action.
Coughlan has not played seniors since 2006. He had his second knee reconstruction early in 2007 and then a hamstring injury that required complex treatment in Germany.
After a strong pre-season, he required arthroscopic surgery on his reconstructed knee in February, but is now back up and running.
At his best, Coughlan is a ball-winning, tackling machine, just the type coach Terry Wallace needs.
In the same VFL practice match, ruckman Adam Pattison returned after ankle problems, while defender Jordan McMahon failed to fire.
The Tigers are unlikely to make many changes to the team that did well against Geelong on Saturday when they play the Western Bulldogs on Monday. Onballer Richard Tambling will test his injured hamstring this week and could return.
Coughlan's form has been a mood-lifter at Punt Rd this week.
"It's a good story," Tigers football manager Ross Monaghan said. "It is early days but we were pleased with the way he went.
"For his first game back, it was really encouraging. He got quite a bit of the ball and the significant thing was he laid 10 tackles. It's a terrific return for him."
Monaghan said the Tigers were eager to assess Coughlan's form when the VFL season started with with Coburg taking on Frankston on Sunday.
"He would certainly have to play some VFL footy, but he pulled up good as gold, and couldn't be feeling better," Monaghan said.
"He has been in the situation before where things have gone well and then he has had a setback.
"We will keep our fingers crossed that things keep going the way they have the last few weeks."
Robertson, making his comeback from an achilles tear, played just over a half for the Scorpions.
He kicked an early goal and set up another, and his trademark leap was still apparent with the 30-year-old taking a pair of spectacular marks.
Like Coughlan, he is likely to need several VFL games before he is considered for an AFL call-up.
While Coughlan will have to break into a strong Richmond midfield, the Demons are crying out for a lead-up presence such as Robertson's.
Unlike Robertson, long-kicking Demons defender Paul Wheatley is set for a long stint on the sidelines.
Wheatley has battled soft-tissue injuries and, after tearing a quad, is six weeks away from a return.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,25305815-19742,00.html
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I find it a bit odd that Ross thinks it was his first game back ,could have sworn it was cogs playing 3/4ers @ Princes Park on the previous saturday !!!
Yes Ross needs to get up with the story... :wallywink
First game back ::)
Perhaps Ross wasn't at Princes Park the previous week so it doesn't count :wallywink :wallywink
Ditto with Patto - we played the week before too, the HUN article implies the Casey game was Patto's first
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Go Coughlan!
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40 touches plus, 10 tackles suggets he is ready, time to give nahas more time where he belongs at vfl and bring cogs in
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I'd like to see Cogs get through at least more than a VFL practice match before calling him up to the AFL. If he backs up his performance this weekend then definitely bring him in against Melbourne.
I have no problem with keeping Nahas in for a little longer while he's eligible to play for the seniors. There are others I'd drop first.
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I'd like to see Cogs get through at least more than a VFL practice match before calling him up to the AFL. If he backs up his performance this weekend then definitely bring him in against Melbourne.
I have no problem with keeping Nahas in for a little longer while he's eligible to play for the seniors. There are others I'd drop first.
Why?
Do we want him to get 50 touches and 15 tackles before we give him a game?
The senior team needs him to play this week, and try to win the game.
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I'd like to see Cogs get through at least more than a VFL practice match before calling him up to the AFL. If he backs up his performance this weekend then definitely bring him in against Melbourne.
I have no problem with keeping Nahas in for a little longer while he's eligible to play for the seniors. There are others I'd drop first.
Why?
Do we want him to get 50 touches and 15 tackles before we give him a game?
The senior team needs him to play this week, and try to win the game.
exactly, if cogs felt great after the game and he recovers well, he must be included ,no ifs buts or maybes
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To borrow a Bentleighism
AFL match>VFL match>VFL practice match
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To borrow a Bentleighism
AFL match>VFL match>VFL practice match
it has nothing to do with the standard and level where cogs is playing or any other player. it is all about attitude and intent and who really wants to be in the team. mcmahon played in the same game as cogs, clearly has the skill to play better at that level but not the attitude nor intent
cogs should play v the dogs and be rewarded
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40 touches plus, 10 tackles suggets he is ready, time to give nahas more time where he belongs at vfl and bring cogs in
I could be wrong but I thought I read some comments from those that attended to the effect that Cogs actual stats return was more like mid 20's and most of these in one half?
Regardless, I don't believe the club will take even the remotest chance with him and that's why I will repeat my opinion that he is still likely to be 3 weeks away.
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That was the opinion of some who attended the game, but most of Cogs' touches were in and under handballs, and so easy to miss. He really did get 40 odd touches! :cheers
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That was the opinion of some who attended the game, but most of Cogs' touches were in and under handballs, and so easy to miss. He really did get 40 odd touches! :cheers
Excellent. Ta. I hope for his sake that he is able to make it back for no other reason than his own self-satisfaction - as a professional footballer he must have gone to the depths and back trying to get back on deck. Well............that and the fact that TM will owe me a big helping of humble pie if he does! ;D
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Do we want him to get 50 touches and 15 tackles before we give him a game?
lol. I agree.
Simply can't leave him out with those numbers.
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Cogs has been named in the squad of 28 tonight but I agree with smokey and think he'll be given another game at least at Coburg before he comes into the senior side. IIRC the game on the weekend was his first full game at VFL level after playing 60% gametime the week before. So I think the club will be mindful to build up his match fitness first before bringing him back especially after seeing what happened to Cousins in his first game back.
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Rawlings in EOTT says he believes Cogs is fit enough to play.
"Mark Coughlan - Produced a tremendous four-quarter display in the midfield. Gathered 40 possessions, with five centre clearances, seven inside 50s and 11 tackles. Is showing that he’s fit enough now to be considered for a return to AFL football."
http://210.50.4.102/rfc/
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What.....11 tackles in one game.Put him in the team straight away
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from the Age...
Meanwhile, Foley said the players were encouraged by the strong VFL form of 2003 best and fairest Mark Coughlan, who picked up 41 disposals and 10 tackles in a weekend practice match with Richmond's affiliate side Coburg.
Coughlan has not played a senior game for the Tigers since mid-2006, having undergone two knee reconstructions and recurring hamstring troubles in the intervening years, then minor knee surgery in February.
He is expected to need further VFL games to earn a senior recall, but Foley said the signs were good. "He had a great game on the weekend, he had 40-odd touches and played some good footy, which is great," he said.
"I'm not sure when he's due to return or anything like that, but his body's going really well, which is really encouraging."
Full article at:
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/rfnews/close-loss-not-enough/2009/04/09/1239222991822.html
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Coughlan falls short of return
Andrea Petrie | April 12, 2009
RICHMOND midfielder Mark Coughlan will have to wait to make his long-awaited return to AFL ranks after being named as an emergency for tomorrow's clash with the Western Bulldogs at the MCG.
Robin Nahas and Adam Pattison have also been named as emergencies, while Richard Tambling goes in to the team after missing last weekend's loss to Geelong.
Coughlan, who was the Tigers' best-and-fairest in 2003, netted 41 possessions in a VFL practice match with Coburg last weekend. Today he will play for Coburg in its opening-round match against Frankston at home.
The 26-year-old has not played a game at AFL level since round 12, 2006.
His rehabilitation from a second knee reconstruction was halted by a hamstring injury that required treatment in Germany involving injections of calf blood and rooster combs. Geelong's Max Rooke had the same treatment.
Coughlan had minor knee surgery in February.
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/rfnews/coughlan-falls-short-of-return/2009/04/11/1239223105921.html
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After watching today's game, sadly I think all those injuries has nobbled Cogs for good as far as being an AFL player again :(. He just looks slow even at VFL level. It can be a cruel game sometimes :'(.
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After watching today's game, sadly I think all those injuries has nobbled Cogs for good as far as being an AFL player again :(. He just looks slow even at VFL level. It can be a cruel game sometimes :'(.
Said this after his first game back, in fact the writing was on the wall as he was struggling with OP losing both his pace and kicking penetration and the Judd-type explosive 90-metre carry and kick midfielder was starting to become the ideal.
As Draga before him, it would have been nice if he could have made it. Fortunately he's invested well and won't have trouble putting dinner on the table. All the best to him in whatever he decides to do.
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After watching today's game, sadly I think all those injuries has nobbled Cogs for good as far as being an AFL player again :(. He just looks slow even at VFL level. It can be a cruel game sometimes :'(.
Said this after his first game back, in fact the writing was on the wall as he was struggling with OP losing both his pace and kicking penetration and the Judd-type explosive 90-metre carry and kick midfielder was starting to become the ideal.
As Draga before him, it would have been nice if he could have made it. Fortunately he's invested well and won't have trouble putting dinner on the table. All the best to him in whatever he decides to do.
Perhaps Cogs can put his smarts and knowledge of the game into coaching if he wants to stay in footy. Neil Daniher was another crueled by injuries as a player but ended up a decent coach even though Melbourne didn't win a flag.
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People have to realise that Cogs was struggling before his knee injury. His kicking was below standard then.
Footy changes year to year. The kick in rule has destroy players like Cogs as an onballer, you are continually running.
he aint the sort of player either that you could play inside D 50 or F 50,, His career is over unfortunately.
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People have to realise that Cogs was struggling before his knee injury. His kicking was below standard then.
Footy changes year to year. The kick in rule has destroy players like Cogs as an onballer, you are continually running.
he aint the sort of player either that you could play inside D 50 or F 50,, His career is over unfortunately.
Agree & I am afraid you are right.
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See if we can trade him...
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See if we can trade him...
Ludicrous, statement. For what? Pick 40? He's a Richmond man and should end a Richmond man with a farewell not a trade.
We've put that much money and time into a past Best and Fairest winner, if he's deemed to slow for AFL now then he deserves a send off game as much as anyone. Deserves one as much as Bowden and Richardson. More so than Brown and Simmonds.
Stupidly he should play the year out to get to 100 games so his sons come under the father son rule think he needs 11 games left. 10 Rounds to go. :banghead List Management anyone?
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Ludicrous, statement. For what? Pick 40?
The only club silly enough to offer pick 40 for Cogs is the one he is currently at!
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Ludicrous, statement. For what? Pick 40?
The only club silly enough to offer pick 40 for Cogs is the one he is currently at!
Hilarious... You live all week are you jake?
Funny how things change so quickly. Before he came back against North Melbourne everyone was pretty excited about him coming back. Genuinely heartless for mine.
Lets be lateral about things, 2 knee reco's, OP and sever hamstring problems. Amazing hard work, don't shoot the guy down he puts in a bucket load more than half the list.
Before we eat our own for Gods sake lets be realistic. He does the one percenters and works hard and doesn't walk around packs for possessions. If he's too slow then he's too slow, hardly worth credibility attacks..
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I agree Pope! We have to be a little patient with cogs now he is back playing as he is like a new recruit that has to learn the game. yesterday the commentary was saying that leg speed is not so vital anymore, it is ball use and ball movement that matters the most! This comment was made in direct reference to cogs. Cogs had plenty of mates yesterday, the whole team was poo
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Lets be lateral about things, 2 knee reco's, OP and sever hamstring problems. Amazing hard work, don't shoot the guy down he puts in a bucket load more than half the list.
Before we eat our own for Gods sake lets be realistic. He does the one percenters and works hard and doesn't walk around packs for possessions. If he's too slow then he's too slow, hardly worth credibility attacks..
Sadly the hard work around the packs isnt' enough. And it isn't just leg speed we need to think about when we talk about the pace of the game these days.
You may get away with not being fast by foot but the brain needs to be quick. Cogs unfortunately now slows the game down when he has possession by taking time to get the ball moving
I finally got a my copy of the Bulldogs game on Friday (I've ordered the entire 2009 season -gaed knows why :'( )
I watched the first half only - after watching that reply I know exactly why the 5 that were dropped for the Weagles game were dropped
I would go as far as to suggest a few people take a deep breath, put sentiment aside for a minute and watch it closely. Apart from his poor kicking Cogs was just generally slow in moving the ball, which especially when you have the run of play can be a game breaker. As for the other 4 well it probably deserves a thread all to itself
People have to realise that Cogs was struggling before his knee injury. His kicking was below standard then.
Footy changes year to year. The kick in rule has destroy players like Cogs as an onballer, you are continually running.
he aint the sort of player either that you could play inside D 50 or F 50,, His career is over unfortunately.
I hate to say it but I agree with you Jack.
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WP
i watched coburg on the w/e and sadly came to the realisation that cogs is finished. u r correct, its not just his leg speed but the speed of his decision making makes snails look fast
talking about sentiment and putting it aside, you must also admit that there is no room for the "cat" in the rfc team ;D
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It's a lot of time and effort put in for little result if it's the case that he is finished.
I really feel for him but the odds were stacked massively against him once he did the knee a 2nd time.
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There's still plenty who need to go before Cogs does
Worst case we keep him on as midfield depth for next year, best case he improves and becomes a regular in the side again
I think the slow ball movement issue is still largely caused by teammates not creating obvious options up field. Cogs clearly knows how to get the ball moving quickly in traffic, so not sure why that can't be transferred across to general play. He looked poor againt the Bulldogs when we got smashed, he looked poor against Port Melbourne when we got smashed (although he was listed in the bests)
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I'm staggered at this.
Agree Cogs is slow in decision making which as a skill needs to be fairly tuned to be able to compete at AFL level.
Hardly constitutes the evaluation of the player being "finished". I just can't believe this.
There are so many skills and issues with players that need to be tuned to be able to compete at AFL level, speed of ball movement is quite minor in the scheme of things.
Cogs puts his head of the ball, can find the footy and works hard. Improving his ball movement speed can be worked on over a pre season.
I think we all getting a bit to happy with the cull gents. There are at least 6 or 7 that woudl need to go before Cogs if his ball speed can't be improved.
It would be an extremely sad sad day at Punt Road if Cogs was pushed out the door and a Jordan McMahon was still inside simply because he has another year of a contract left. Very very sad.
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I'm staggered at this.
Agree Cogs is slow in decision making which as a skill needs to be fairly tuned to be able to compete at AFL level.
Hardly constitutes the evaluation of the player being "finished". I just can't believe this.
I think there are plenty of others who are finished (or should be) pope but this thread is about Cogs
Cogs puts his head of the ball, can find the footy and works hard. Improving his ball movement speed can be worked on over a pre season.
I doubt that you can. We are not talking about someone who has been in the system 2 years we are talking about someone who's been around what 6-7 years? He had this entire pre-season (bar 4-5 weeks) to work on it. He has always been slow by foot but now there seems to be question marks over his movement by hands coupled with the slow/poor decision making.
I think we all getting a bit to happy with the cull gents. There are at least 6 or 7 that woudl need to go before Cogs if his ball speed can't be improved.
As I said above I agree there are others but....
It would be an extremely sad sad day at Punt Road if Cogs was pushed out the door and a Jordan McMahon was still inside simply because he has another year of a contract left. Very very sad.
It maybe sad but it is the harsh reality of the business.
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Yeh look true that its a thread about Cogs but in reality only so many wont be on our list next year and in relation to his worth to the side he's not in the bottom 10 and will be round next year surely.
With a pre season under his belt with less to worry about than previously getting his body right he can now work on areas that needs working on. I personally think he deserves that chance.
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I would delist Johnson and Petts before Cogs but thats it. The other players I would delist including Simmonds, Bowden, Brown, Polak, King (trade) and McMahon (trade), would all have more value to the list IMHO, than Cogs would.
It's sad to say but with our midfield improving, Cogs is far from a crucial component of the team now. We have far too many players who play a similiar role to him but who are both more skillful and faster on the list for us to keep hoping he will regain his B&F form. The same can be said with Browny but at least Brown still has the finishing skills.
I think unless he does something miraculous for the rest of the year, at 27, it is time for him to more aside for a younger player.
Stripes
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I would delist Johnson and Petts before Cogs but thats it. The other players I would delist including Simmonds, Bowden, Brown, Polak, King (trade) and McMahon (trade), would all have more value to the list IMHO, than Cogs would.
It's sad to say but with our midfield improving, Cogs is far from a crucial component of the team now. We have far too many players who play a similiar role to him but who are both more skillful and faster on the list for us to keep hoping he will regain his B&F form. The same can be said with Browny but at least Brown still has the finishing skills.
I think unless he does something miraculous for the rest of the year, at 27, it is time for him to more aside for a younger player.
Stripes
agree 100% with you 'Stripes'.
Pettifer, Simmonds, Bowden, Brown, Polak, King, McMahon, Oakley-Nicholls (off Richmond's list) before we look at Coughlan.
if any of these players are left on Richmond's list and Coughlan is gone, there is still a disease at Richmond. Coughlan is not a disease really.
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Today pretty much confirmed Cogs is another who should retire. Too slow and footskills not good enough anymore. Sadly another Tiger crueled by injury :(.
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The Dreamtime game in May for me signed his epitaph. Too slow and that play in the third that night when he failed to dish off and got tackled on the 50 at a time when another goal would have made it hard for the Dons just before their comeback that night. :banghead
Too slow
No penetration in his kicking anymore either. Can't kick beyond 40.
Pace of the game has gone past him.
Another what might have been story just like Brown if they weren't ravaged by injuries.
Key forward and key midfielder we only fleetingly saw the best of but never together in the same game and at the same time. :banghead
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Plough on SEN just before 5pm talking about Cogs:
"No one has worked harder to get back from injury but yeah I think it's over for him. Sadly footy waits for no one." Francis replied it's a big decision for the new Richmond coach to make.
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Not sure 100% if Plough meant Browny as I only caught the middle and end parts but Plough said on SEN just before - "No one has worked harder to get back from injury but yeah I think it's over for him. Sadly footy waits for no one." Francis replied it's a big decision for the new Richmond coach to make.
cogs he was referring to :thumbsup
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Not sure 100% if Plough meant Browny as I only caught the middle and end parts but Plough said on SEN just before - "No one has worked harder to get back from injury but yeah I think it's over for him. Sadly footy waits for no one." Francis replied it's a big decision for the new Richmond coach to make.
cogs he was referring to :thumbsup
Ta daniel. I'll edit my post and get the admin to move it to the Cogs thread.
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Plough on SEN just before 5pm talking about Cogs:
"No one has worked harder to get back from injury but yeah I think it's over for him. Sadly footy waits for no one." Francis replied it's a big decision for the new Richmond coach to make.
Not a big decision if you've watched him play footy this year. Its an easy decision to make, a difficult one to deliver, but the right decision nonetheless.
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Not a big decision if you've watched him play footy this year. Its an easy decision to make, a difficult one to deliver, but the right decision nonetheless.
Yep sadly Cogs is gone and the Club should give him a farewell game this week. It won't be a popular decision though amongst some supporters who still see Cogs as he was in 2003.
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Not a big decision if you've watched him play footy this year. Its an easy decision to make, a difficult one to deliver, but the right decision nonetheless.
Yep sadly Cogs is gone and the Club should give him a farewell game this week. It won't be a popular decision though amongst some supporters who still see Cogs as he was in 2003.
Unfortunately he has shown nothing, and he knows it to.
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Not a big decision if you've watched him play footy this year. Its an easy decision to make, a difficult one to deliver, but the right decision nonetheless.
Yep sadly Cogs is gone and the Club should give him a farewell game this week. It won't be a popular decision though amongst some supporters who still see Cogs as he was in 2003.
Unfortunately he has shown nothing, and he knows it to.
And more a case he can't show anything even if the mind is still keen as the body is gone for AFL level.
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Unfortunately he has shown nothing, and he knows it to.
And more a case he can't show anything even if the mind is still keen as the body is gone for AFL level.
And to rub salt into our wounds, he will drop down 1-2 levels and star. Just to highlight the difference in that 'final' step up to AFL.
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No surprise but this was posted by RichoRox12 on BF:
"Heard today from a friend that Mark Coughlan has been told tonight will be his last game for the RFC.
Not sure if we will trade him or simply de-list, but apparently Hardwick is keen on a running style plan which Cogs just isn't quick enough for.
I'm not 100%, but is believed to have come from his manager."
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=15534167&postcount=1
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Farewell Cogs.
One of those players who you can't help but like.
Unfortunately this is the absolute correct call.
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Bummer - Shows no excuses or sentiment from now on, will have a tiple at the 23-24 margin for Cogs :thumbsup
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Farewell Cogs.
One of those players who you can't help but like.
Unfortunately this is the absolute correct call.
Sure is. Sad for Cogs but its what the club needed to do.
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For a couple of reasons I would love him to play a real good game tonight. He deserves a break to go his way but from a more selfish perspective we might just get a nibble from a 'home' club - a pick around 50-60 might be a reasonable return now.
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Cogs used to be a deadset gun
it is a shame we were robbed of the best of Cogs, Brown.
We should trade for Luke Ball.
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We should trade for Luke Ball.
Why?
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We should trade for Luke Ball.
Why?
why not
ball is a hard in and under player with great skills, better than what we have atm with our in and under stocks, cant believe we kept foley, he is a clanger king just like jackson
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We should trade for Luke Ball.
Why?
why not
ball is a hard in and under player with great skills, better than what we have atm with our in and under stocks, cant believe we kept foley, he is a clanger king just like jackson
Luke Ball and great skills should never be seen in the same sentence.
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We should trade for Luke Ball.
Why?
why not
ball is a hard in and under player with great skills, better than what we have atm with our in and under stocks, cant believe we kept foley, he is a clanger king just like jackson
Showing just how little you know.
Why do you think he isnt get a game?
Cant kick the ball 40m anymore, the poor guy has had his career destroyed by injuries.
Lets get rid of one cripple and bring in another.
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Luke Ball = Mark Coghlan
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We should trade for Luke Ball.
Why?
- captian of his afl club @ 20
- gun footballer
- good age
- we have lose cogs + johnson
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We should trade for Luke Ball.
Why?
- captian of his afl club @ 20
- gun footballer
- good age
- we have lose cogs + johnson
- That was 5 years ago
- That was 4 years ago, declined every year since, he's marginal now
- 26 next year, very borderline age for us, especially as he may be lucky to be playing when he's 30
- Not sure that means we need to chase recycleds yet
He used to be one of my favourite players, doesn't change much now though
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There is not chance Luke Ball will come good?
McMahon for Ball would be brillant.
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There is not chance Luke Ball will come good?
McMahon for Ball would be brillant.
I'd rather the draft pick
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Trading (or even swapping) for Luke Ball would be the single worst decision we could make all trade season. We have just let a loyal and courageous Luke Ball go - why would we go and get a replacement?
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Trading (or even swapping) for Luke Ball would be the single worst decision we could make all trade season. We have just let a loyal and courageous Luke Ball go - why would we go and get a replacement?
exactly correct :thumbsup Luke Ball is past it if St-Kilda dont use him thats making a statement
If we got him it will put us behind St-Kilda even more
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Cogs is playing for St Kevins Old Boys this year in the Ammos
https://www.clubsonline.com.au/news/index.cfm?fuseaction=display_main&NewsID=11827&OrgID=1663&cfid=51093488&cftoken=79579799&dts=1722010161034
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Cogs is playing for St Kevins Old Boys this year in the Ammos
Cogs should blitz in the Ammos where he won't be found out for a lack of pace as he was at AFL level. He's still relatively young too at 26 so he could still have a number of years in the VAFA if he doesn't suffer any further long-term injury. Go Skevs!