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« Reply #105 on: July 08, 2008, 12:09:47 PM »
Just cause a player can play again after 3-4 weeks doesn't mean that it's fully healed. He's spot on and would know more about it than you clowns. It takes 10+ weeks for any soft tissue injury to be completely healed.

hey l'm in my mid 40's & still get out on the training track every week, l reckon l got better hammies than him
His body is not able to stand up to AFL football cant you see that, sorry forgot your not very bright we are all clowns that are laughing remember
had plenty of soft tissue injury, some very serious, can show you the scars but none of them took 10 weeks to heal ever & l played 368 senior games
some players have softy bodies that cant handle the rigors, & doctors of today are against football & want it softened up thats why all these injuries these days are made out to be so serious & take so long to heal
Also Imfamy l have done trainer courses in my time in football so that l can get out & put back into the game l enjoyed
There is a current AFL employed head trainer in my family & ex players VFA/VFL/AFL in my family but we all effin clowns in your books & know nothing

if a hammy took 10 weeks to cure Robert harvey would never had played so many games of AFL & is still playing effin wake up from your armchair lad

No disrespect Tm but I dont think your hammys are under quite the stress that Cogs are while he's training and playing at AFL level.  ;)

Surely you know a grade 3 hamstring, i.e. a recurring hammy that is strained but does significant damage with take 10-14 weeks to fully heal.

Not everyone only gets a grade 1 that is a 2-3 week normal recovery.

Cogs is at the severe end of the spectrum which is why it takes so long to heal.
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« Reply #106 on: July 08, 2008, 12:28:22 PM »
Just cause a player can play again after 3-4 weeks doesn't mean that it's fully healed. He's spot on and would know more about it than you clowns. It takes 10+ weeks for any soft tissue injury to be completely healed.

hey l'm in my mid 40's & still get out on the training track every week, l reckon l got better hammies than him
His body is not able to stand up to AFL football cant you see that, sorry forgot your not very bright we are all clowns that are laughing remember
had plenty of soft tissue injury, some very serious, can show you the scars but none of them took 10 weeks to heal ever & l played 368 senior games
some players have softy bodies that cant handle the rigors, & doctors of today are against football & want it softened up thats why all these injuries these days are made out to be so serious & take so long to heal
Also Imfamy l have done trainer courses in my time in football so that l can get out & put back into the game l enjoyed
There is a current AFL employed head trainer in my family & ex players VFA/VFL/AFL in my family but we all effin clowns in your books & know nothing

if a hammy took 10 weeks to cure Robert harvey would never had played so many games of AFL & is still playing effin wake up from your armchair lad

No disrespect Tm but I dont think your hammys are under quite the stress that Cogs are while he's training and playing at AFL level.  ;)

Surely you know a grade 3 hamstring, i.e. a recurring hammy that is strained but does significant damage with take 10-14 weeks to fully heal.

Not everyone only gets a grade 1 that is a 2-3 week normal recovery.

Cogs is at the severe end of the spectrum which is why it takes so long to heal.

your correct TA, just because his employed by a AFL club dont mean he trains any harder than what l push myself in the Gym, Pool, Martial Arts, or footy training at my age. l always been a fitness freak & dont plan on giving up soon as l got the kids pushing & l'm helping to push them 1 of them being a very good fullback player
sometimes players get injuries cause they dont do enough & slack off

Take a look at Tommy Hafey, he a prime example of someone who knows no limit,
Robert Harvey is another example of a elite sportsman l hold in high regard & players could model off

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Re: Cogs thread [merged]
« Reply #107 on: July 08, 2008, 12:49:22 PM »
Just cause a player can play again after 3-4 weeks doesn't mean that it's fully healed. He's spot on and would know more about it than you clowns. It takes 10+ weeks for any soft tissue injury to be completely healed.

hey l'm in my mid 40's & still get out on the training track every week, l reckon l got better hammies than him
His body is not able to stand up to AFL football cant you see that, sorry forgot your not very bright we are all clowns that are laughing remember
had plenty of soft tissue injury, some very serious, can show you the scars but none of them took 10 weeks to heal ever & l played 368 senior games
some players have softy bodies that cant handle the rigors, & doctors of today are against football & want it softened up thats why all these injuries these days are made out to be so serious & take so long to heal
Also Imfamy l have done trainer courses in my time in football so that l can get out & put back into the game l enjoyed
There is a current AFL employed head trainer in my family & ex players VFA/VFL/AFL in my family but we all effin clowns in your books & know nothing

if a hammy took 10 weeks to cure Robert harvey would never had played so many games of AFL & is still playing effin wake up from your armchair lad

No disrespect Tm but I dont think your hammys are under quite the stress that Cogs are while he's training and playing at AFL level.  ;)

Surely you know a grade 3 hamstring, i.e. a recurring hammy that is strained but does significant damage with take 10-14 weeks to fully heal.

Not everyone only gets a grade 1 that is a 2-3 week normal recovery.

Cogs is at the severe end of the spectrum which is why it takes so long to heal.

your correct TA, just because his employed by a AFL club dont mean he trains any harder than what l push myself in the Gym, Pool, Martial Arts, or footy training at my age. l always been a fitness freak & dont plan on giving up soon as l got the kids pushing & l'm helping to push them 1 of them being a very good fullback player
sometimes players get injuries cause they dont do enough & slack off

Take a look at Tommy Hafey, he a prime example of someone who knows no limit,
Robert Harvey is another example of a elite sportsman l hold in high regard & players could model off


Yes, players can be called lazy but that normally just means they still push themselves very hard still compared to a usual trainer.

ANyway we know how hard Cogs works in his case and a lack of effort certainly isnt Cogs problem.

Lets remember it was a Cogs diary so what he writes may be in his severe case only and relates to players that have problems like him, (Dew for one), that he may have not been referring to all injuries need that long to come back from heal enough to play to a sufficient capacity.

Damn sport science, so many bloody different circumstances can be between different players we could run round in circles with different examples.  :lol   ;)

Anyway point is in Cogs situation his hamstring are ruined and I dont know why he is back so soon after radical treatment.  While he would want to be back ASAP I wouldnt want him playing for another 4 weeks, hell he has another year on his contract so do it right and the long road for one final shot.  THere arent many left for Cogs.  :'(
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« Reply #108 on: July 08, 2008, 01:18:01 PM »
yep too much to get into medical terms  ;D l'm no doctor nor wanted to be one, just like pretty nurses  ;D
l'm not suprised his back so soon as working the legs are the best thing & many chronic injury players who had the same treatment have recovered very well & returned quickly & l think thats the main idea of the treatment
l'm  interested in the longterm outcome of this medical treatment by what the sportsmen are having injected into them if it will effect them in any other terms in thier future life.

l'm also hoping that Coughlan returns & can be good player again

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« Reply #109 on: July 08, 2008, 05:52:33 PM »
Cogs got through
richmondfc.com.au
By Mic Cullen
5:20 PM Tue 08 July, 2008


The good news is that 2003 Dyer Medallist Coughlan got through three quarters of VFL reserves for Coburg before being taken from the ground for the final term to rest.

"I was really pleased that he got through – we only played him at VFL reserve grade level just for the fact that he has control of how much game time [he played]. If something went wrong and you wanted to pull the pin after 15minutes, it's easier to do it at that level.

"He'll definitely play VFL seniors this week, and we expect him to start stepping up.

"It's probably the first time that I've seen him on the training track really seriously kicking through the footy and driving the footy.

"Over the last seven days probably, it's the first time I've seen him do it since the knee down in Tasmania, so it's been that long since I've actually seen him look free and really kicking the ball like he really wants to kick the footy."

http://www.richmondfc.com.au/Season2007/News/NewsArticle/tabid/6301/Default.aspx?newsId=62926

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« Reply #110 on: July 21, 2008, 09:50:16 AM »
After seeing Jobe Watson destroy us around the clearances on Saturday, I hope Cogs comes back and can do a job like that.  :pray
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« Reply #111 on: July 21, 2008, 07:29:55 PM »
After seeing Jobe Watson destroy us around the clearances on Saturday, I hope Cogs comes back and can do a job like that.  :pray

that he did, but when it counted in the last quarter he went missing and our mids controlled the game, that was pleasing to see.  just remember most teams just let watson get the ball because more often than not he turns it over. it was just unlucky for us that for the 1st 3 quarters he was hitting most targets which is not common for him
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« Reply #112 on: July 21, 2008, 10:26:51 PM »
After seeing Jobe Watson destroy us around the clearances on Saturday, I hope Cogs comes back and can do a job like that.  :pray

that he did, but when it counted in the last quarter he went missing and our mids controlled the game, that was pleasing to see.  just remember most teams just let watson get the ball because more often than not he turns it over. it was just unlucky for us that for the 1st 3 quarters he was hitting most targets which is not common for him

Watson first game against us this year would be his worst game ever
he surprised me with his game on Saturday it was a huge improvement but not enough to win it for them but close  :lol

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« Reply #113 on: July 21, 2008, 10:31:17 PM »
how has Mark gone the last two weeks ... ???

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« Reply #114 on: July 22, 2008, 06:54:11 AM »

Watson first game against us this year would be his worst game ever
he surprised me with his game on Saturday it was a huge improvement but not enough to win it for them but close  :lol
Agree TM, and something worth noting re: Watson was that for a fair chunk of the game Cotchin was playing on him in a more defensive role.  Could have been any number of reasons for it but they highlighted his lack of experience with accountability, on TV at the time.  Watson had a fairly easy run of it on Saturday and I'll bet Cotchin learnt a fair bit.

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« Reply #115 on: July 22, 2008, 08:40:17 AM »

Watson first game against us this year would be his worst game ever
he surprised me with his game on Saturday it was a huge improvement but not enough to win it for them but close  :lol
Agree TM, and something worth noting re: Watson was that for a fair chunk of the game Cotchin was playing on him in a more defensive role.  Could have been any number of reasons for it but they highlighted his lack of experience with accountability, on TV at the time.  Watson had a fairly easy run of it on Saturday and I'll bet Cotchin learnt a fair bit.

back on topic our man Cogs, did he get reported on the weekend, he give out a nice headbutt in the 1st & was in the biff the last quarter,  looked like he was loosing the later one.  l think it might of been Meyer (not sure) trying to get the player off him, if it was his peeweak & needs to bulk up cause he aint going anywhere quickly. Seen this in the Coburg/Willy package put up by Peter/1161.
Its good to see him getting through games now & is getting through the recovery & training sessions, still dont think he will be used this year & needs to get lots more game time & feel of the game. l'm only 2 bites out of the humble pie at present  ;D

Oh on Cotchin yeah its funny how nobody mentioned that one Smokey  :thumbsup thier too busy bagging Bowden not watching the game, good surveilance  :thumbsup

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« Reply #116 on: July 22, 2008, 08:46:23 AM »
Gee i wish he can make it back.

seriously how good would it be
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« Reply #117 on: July 22, 2008, 12:48:45 PM »

back on topic our man Cogs, ......
Its good to see him getting through games now & is getting through the recovery & training sessions, still dont think he will be used this year & needs to get lots more game time & feel of the game. l'm only 2 bites out of the humble pie at present  ;D

We agree 100% on his role for the rest of this season.  If he holds up I would keep playing him in the reduced pressure environment of the VFL, allowing his body to regain strength and him to regain confidence.  Then a full pre-season will put him in with the best possible chance of making a successful comeback.  I'm still very guarded about his chances and get nervous every time I see there is a new post to this thread.  :-\

And I sure won't make you eat a full humble pie if he makes it back.  It will be the best (and somewhat unexpected) outcome if he does return successfully and I know you have already said that you will be happy with that.  Maybe just a couple of small pieces of pie!!   ;D ;D

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« Reply #118 on: July 22, 2008, 04:54:21 PM »
Snippet from Sportal
22/07/2008 3:20:46 PM
Angus Morgan


Wallace said: "He needs to get a continuity of five or six games running just to find out exactly where he's at."

"Until you can trust your body to that degree, you don't know where it's going to take you."

"He's still a fair way off in playing form at the moment but that can come to hand pretty quick once you start playing regular footy."

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« Reply #119 on: July 23, 2008, 12:29:52 PM »
back on topic our man Cogs, did he get reported on the weekend, he give out a nice headbutt in the 1st & was in the biff the last quarter,  looked like he was loosing the later one.  l think it might of been Meyer (not sure) trying to get the player off him, if it was his peeweak & needs to bulk up cause he aint going anywhere quickly. Seen this in the Coburg/Willy package put up by Peter/1161.

Just to clear things up Monk, After viewing the footage, it was Fort Caruso not Meyer struggling to pull the Willy off Cogs in that little Mele.  :lol