Cogs thread [merged]

[one-eyed]

Cogs said he's done a reasonable strain. A few weeks. Pretty unpredictable. He was asked if there is/was a time when you consider pulling the pin and Cogs said after a pause there is.

Luke Darcy said it's a similar injury to what he had which ended his career. Common for those who have done 2 ACLs. Tough to miss 2 and half years.

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see the news on channel 9, morons showed AND INTERVIEW with mick malthouse having a whinge and whe they crosssed to his press conference footage it had on screen


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MICK MALTHOUSE

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[mightytiges]

They were only 25 years late lol.

Poor Cogs. Looked like a shattered man on the footage lost for answers. Down in both the face and body language.

[peggles]

sure cogs will work his butt off and come back stronger.....
i think the remark about quitting he was talking about in the past 2 seasons..when he was doing rehab for the knee...the fact that quitting did come across his mind was widely reported..nothing new here..i dont' think he's thinking about quitting now...

[one-eyed]

Greg Hickey our club doctor said Cogs left for Germany yesterday to see the same specialist Max Rooke saw. He said Cogs said he's willing to explore all options.

[one-eyed]

Coughlan seeks radical treatment
foxsports.com.au
May 17, 2008

RICHMOND midfielder Mark Coughlan will undergo the same radical treatment that saved last year's AFL season for Geelong defender Max Rooke.

Coughlan, who suffered another hamstring injury this week, has travelled to Germany with the Tigers' rehabilitation and conditioning coach Warren Kofoed to meet Dr Hans Muller-Wolfhart.

The Tigers onballer will undergo a two-week treatment program, which features injections of substances such as calf blood into the affected area.

While Muller-Wolfhart's methods are unconventional, he is renowned for treating persistent injuries of this type.

"There are a few things out there and they're not necessarily proven scientifically, but there's a lot of people like Rooke who have done well," said Richmond club doctor Greg Hickey.

"Whether or not it's got the scientific basis behind it yet, we want to give Mark every opportunity."

Rooke went to Germany last year for the treatment and was able to return to the AFL for Geelong's historic premiership.

Dr Hickey stressed he was not advocating Dr Muller-Wolfhart's treatment for normal hamstring problems, but said Coughlan's situation was far from normal.

After recovering from osteitis pubis and two knee reconstructions over the past few years, Coughlan cannot return to the AFL because of persistent hamstring problems.

"It's not been our normal process to go to this sort of extreme, but taking into account that Mark has had a couple of recurrences of this injury and his past history over the last four years ... he's had a terrible run," Dr Hickey said.

"We want to offer Mark every avenue to get back and play some footy this year and hopefully for the future.

"He's such an incredibly hard-working fellow and to have these injuries chucked at him all the time, we'd want to provide everything we can for him to get back."

Dr Hickey said he spoke to Geelong club doctor Chris Bradshaw this week and added the success of Rooke's treatment had sparked a lot of interest among medical staff around the league.

Dr Hickey said Coughlan's hamstring injuries were "indirectly" related to the affects of his knee reconstructions.

http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,23715286-23210,00.html

[one-eyed]

Coughlan in Germany for radical injury treatment
Martin Boulton | May 18, 2008

RICHMOND'S 2003 best-and-fairest winner Mark Coughlan will be treated by the same German doctor who helped Geelong's Max Rooke recover from a chronic hamstring injury.

Coughlan, who has had two knee reconstructions, suffered a recurrence of a hamstring problem after playing in the VFL last weekend and club doctor Greg Hickey said the 26-year-old left for Munich on Friday.

Rooke, who was treated with injections of calf blood and rooster combs by Dr Hans Muller-Wolfhart, overcame a long-term hamstring complaint to play in last year's finals series and grand final victory.

"Mark was interested in pursuing all avenues," Hickey said. "It's not been our normal process to go to this sort of extreme, but taking into account Mark's had a couple of recurrences of this injury and his terrible run with missing most of a season with osteitis pubis and having two ACL reconstructions … we want to offer Mark every avenue to get back and play some footy, this year and for the future."

He said Coughlan was "an incredibly hard-working" footballer and had taken a keen interest in Rooke's treatment and recovery.

"We've had discussions about it and, while it's probably not for everyone … in this particular context and what Mark's been through, we thought it was reasonable to do it."

Richmond's rehabilitation and conditioning co-ordinator, Warren Kofoed, has travelled with Coughlan to Munich to oversee the two-week program.

"We don't know exactly, until he gets over there, what exactly will happen, but it seems he (Mueller-Wolfhart) has a pretty common approach to most of these injuries, which involve a lot of injections.

"There is a few things out there and they're not necessarily proven scientifically, but there's a lot of people, like Rooke, that have done well and we want to give Mark every opportunity."

Coughlan's injury is on the opposite leg to the one that had two knee reconstructions, but Hickey said it was likely there was a connection between the injuries.

"When you've had a long period of deconditioning and time out of the game, it's more common and to be expected to have some sort of soft tissue injury on your return."

http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/coughlan-to-have-radical-treatment/2008/05/17/1210765262997.html

[one-eyed]

from the Herald-Sun

Miller refused to put a timetable on a return.

"We're not going to speculate on a return date, that would be unfair," Miller said.

"You can imagine how disappointed he is and we are going to support him all the way."

Miller said he was confident the midfielder would return from this latest mishap.

"Nathan Brown had three horrible years with his broken leg and he came back," Miller said.

"I think Mark would be back. He is a hard-working fella."

Coughlan is contracted until the end of the 2009 season.

His manager, Paul Connors, was confident it was not the end of his career, despite a third consecutive season on the brink.

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,23715951-19742,00.html

[Ox]

from the Herald-Sun

Miller refused to put a timetable on a return.

"We're not going to speculate on a return date, that would be unfair," Miller said.

"You can imagine how disappointed he is and we are going to support him all the way."

Miller said he was confident the midfielder would return from this latest mishap.

"Nathan Brown had three horrible years with his broken leg and he came back," Miller said.

"I think Mark would be back. He is a hard-working fella."

Coughlan is contracted until the end of the 2009 season.

His manager, Paul Connors, was confident it was not the end of his career, despite a third consecutive season on the brink.

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,23715951-19742,00.html

stuff off.

[mightytiges]

Amazing what sports medicine can do these. This German treatment worked for Rooke. Malceski's back playing just 3 months after doing an ACL. Incredible stuff.

All the best to Cogs. However it sounds like though this will be his final attempt at trying to make a comeback by going OS for such extreme treatment.

 

[Tigermonk]

Well Smokey old gun lets continue our chat

l was typing out a post last week that Cogs should go to Germany & try the treatment Rooke got, but l decided l had enough talking about him cause his a lost cause & l deleted it. Well low & behold the next morning l'm told Cogs was on the plane to Germany 

you said Cogs was not going to cost money well sorry to say its costing the club huge money

accomodation / meals & extras for Cogs & medical staff $$$$$$$$$$$
air fares $$$$$$$$$$$$$
Treatment $$$$$$$$$$$$$$
rehab $$$$$$$$$$$$$$
living away allowances $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

possible no game time for rest of the year which means alot of money & no reward again
that will be 4 wasted seasons
Picked up in the 2000 draft at #25 his played 83 games & is stuffed
he better be a good player when his repaired or this will not go down well

l also wish Cogs the best of luck, it must be good treatment cause it worked for Rooke but everyone is different

[Smokey]

Well Smokey old gun lets continue our chat

you said Cogs was not going to cost money well sorry to say its costing the club huge money

accomodation / meals & extras for Cogs & medical staff - $12,000
air fares - $5,500
Treatment - $10,000 (A best guesstimate - could be half this, could be double)
rehab - Reduced rehab if it works, no difference if it doesn't - potential saving but we'll call it square
living away allowances - Accounted for in accom/meals/fares above

All up about $27,000 to try and get one of the club's premier midfielders on the field.  If it works, it's money very well spent.  If it doesn't, it helps the club and player make a decision to part ways much earlier with a potential then to negotiate an amicable settlement.  Every chance it will save/recoup at least the cost of the experiment if Coughlan decides to take a reduced payout to enable him to walk and get on with his life at season's (2008) end.

Looking at it from your business angle, $27k is a pittance to spend on a key asset in an effort to improve the asset's productivity when the business is a multi-million dollar affair turning good profits.  In a football sense it would not buy us an extra player or an extra football department person so we are not robbing Peter to pay Paul.

I am glad the club is trying something different (after this weekend's Sydney game I bet they wish they had thought outside the square when he first did the knee) and I don't think the dollar investment in the attempt is anywhere substantial enough to give a second thought to.  If it cost $100k then I would have a different opinion but $27k?  Nah, for a business this size dealing with a key asset?  Calculated risk, limited exposure, good potential ROI, fair investment.

l also wish Cogs the best of luck, it must be good treatment cause it worked for Rooke but everyone is different

We are joined in this one.  As I've said before, only hindsight will tell us whether the club got it right or wrong but I can't have it that it has done much wrong at all in dealing with all this so far - except if, as you have pointed out, they re-signed/extended his contract after the 2nd reco.  If they did that, then I agree that they could have been a fair bit smarter in waiting.

[Francois Jackson]

can anyone confirm how he did his second knee?

i have heard a few reports but the one i hear more than not is the shower incident...

sounds very odd and wouldn't be suprised if it was a botched up job.

can someone confirm??

[Smokey]

can anyone confirm how he did his second knee?

i have heard a few reports but the one i hear more than not is the shower incident...

sounds very odd and wouldn't be suprised if it was a botched up job.

can someone confirm??

I've heard 2 different reports Daniel.  One is the popular report via the club/media that he had a mishap showering while another is via a friend who knows the family and they say the op was botched.  I wouldn't risk either of my now often redundant jewels on which version is correct and maybe the truth is somewhere in the middle - it might have re-occurred under much less provocation than normal due to poor surgery.

[Tigermonk]

Fair call Smokey
what we aint heard from anyone yet when was Coughlans last contract was signed
maybe l just have to ask someone direct at the club next time l'm down there
but really it dont change anything thier to deep into trying to get him to recover & l think its the best choice going to Germany but l can tell you the figure will exceed 27K
one thing for sure we will know the outcome of his future