One-Eyed Richmond Forum
Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Ramps on May 09, 2009, 09:08:39 PM
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It pains me to say this, but our club is rooted, the club seems to be inflicted with some disease that it cant irradicate. The cancer has been there a long time, but as members and supporters, it is our duty to save our Club and to lift it.
IMHO the football model and even the business management model of Richmond is broken. Completely broken and its so bad, that band aid jobs wont fix it, we treat the sympton but we cant find the cause, and if you cant find the cause then you cant fix anything. Now im no management expert, but I know this, in the last 25 years we havent been able to attract a high number of the very talented people to our club, I remember looking at the Herald Sun, taking the pee out of us, with pictures of potential coaches crossed out- not because we didnt want them, but because they didnt us. I cant see how we can move forward like this.
The only suggestion I can make is this, Steve Wright and his board need to sit down, infront of a white board and create a new football club, they should hypothesise how they would start a new club, what positions are needed, how many personel, who should come to this club and how? how much money is needed, they should determine a club philosophy, and imagine themselves as being pioneers of a new club. And after they have formulated there new club, they should move to install this plan as the plan for Richmond going forward.
Richmond has been wrecked and it is so bad, unless everything changes, EVERYTHING, then we cant move forward. Richmond needs to become a new idea, based on sound principles of action and philosophy. A new culture needs to be bread. There can be no sacred cows - from admin to players, whoever doesnt fit should be terminated and moved on.
End of rant :gotigers
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Ramps.
Told you what was wrong 3 years ago.
Cant be bothered posting it on here tonight
Sick of posters abusing me either, as they dont like the truth
PM me and we can have a chat over a coffee one day
Steve Wright isnt the answer either.
Too many people at the RFC are there for there own profiles and not the clubs. ;)
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we are a mess
the last 5 years was our chance and we stuffed it
th eblues were in dire straights and ar better than us
5 years ago we beat the dawks for the wooden spoon, only if we finished 15th, then roughead may have been ours and deledio a dawk
who the f knows
we need to start with a total new coaching dep, new recruiting and new board, march and co are way to soft and bow to the media
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Ramps.
Told you what was wrong 3 years ago.
Cant be bothered posting it on here tonight
Sick of posters abusing me either, as they dont like the truth
PM me and we can have a chat over a coffee one day
Steve Wright isnt the answer either.
Too many people at the RFC are there for there own profiles and not the clubs. ;)
My thread is about how we save our club Jack, I dont know who is and isnt capable anymore down there, All I know is that Richmond has to be changed in all parts of the organisation. Whats happening is terrible. We must all try and save our club from the hacks who have run it into the ground.
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cant be bothered myself anymore its all been explained. we all been over it.
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Ramps.
Buy a broom and sweep and sweep and sweep
President and keep sweeping
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cant be bothered myself anymore its all been explained. we all been over it.
Monk, fcucked if i can be bothered either
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We need to target guys from other teams who have good, successful cultures and have a burning desire to turn things around for us, not just think it's an easy pay cheque.
What would Craig Cameron know about that coming from Melbourne?
The Kangaroos got Arocca from the Pies, Carlton got Swan from the Pies, Geelong got Balme from the Pies. If there anyone at the/previously involved with Pies we can target? I'd like Malthouse, the only question mark is if he'd still have the desire. I want Balme. I don't care about ages of guys.
We were sucked in by Wallace, we were vulnerable. I admit I was happy that we got him back then. Things had hit rock bottom and Wallace seduced us, told us we had a good list. He was a big name and we fell for it.
When we get the new coach, whoever it is, I don't want to see him working on new gameplans and structures UNTIL he re-teaches the team all the basics of football (things that they were told to do in under 14s football, but Wallace doesn't think they are important in senior AFL football).
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In isolation, its not about the coach, the CEO, the recruiter or the President.
To me, it is how all of them co-exist in a functional way so that they may all pull together in the one direction.
The key question is "will it help us win more games?"
In saying that, each of the above people need to question what they are doing to help achieve that objective.
*Sacking Greg Miller in August last year "will it help us win more games?" maybe in 2 or 3 years time but NOT in season 2008.
*Rating a coach 5 out of 10 on radio on the eve of the final game last year? "will that help to win more games"
*Executing a rolling zone gameplan in 2009 when a "man on man" style won us 8 of 11 in the back half of last year
And there are a million more examples.....
When Alex Rance threw himself head first into a contested situation, we all loved it because that is the type of sacrificial act that wins games. It should inspire other acts from the players around him (like the Lions with Selwood).
What are our on and off field leaders truly sacrificing to inspire the same thing?
I largely disagree with the whole theory of "it is all broken", I'm sure the same list at Collingwood or Adelaide would've played finals this year and be around the 3 or 4 wins mark this year.
It all comes down the leadership. There is no way that the leadership at Richmond is as tight as the Cats, Eagles, Swans, Crows, Pies etc etc. They clearly do not trust each other and there is little sense of unity.
That is what is broken.
The same people can make a difference is they are prepared to sacrifice their own agendas to all pull in the one direction.
At the moment, it is difficult to believe that is the case.
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In isolation, its not about the coach, the CEO, the recruiter or the President.
To me, it is how all of them co-exist in a functional way so that they may all pull together in the one direction.
The key question is "will it help us win more games?"
In saying that, each of the above people need to question what they are doing to help achieve that objective.
*Sacking Greg Miller in August last year "will it help us win more games?" maybe in 2 or 3 years time but NOT in season 2008.
*Rating a coach 5 out of 10 on radio on the eve of the final game last year? "will that help to win more games"
*Executing a rolling zone gameplan in 2009 when a "man on man" style won us 8 of 11 in the back half of last year
And there are a million more examples.....
When Alex Rance threw himself head first into a contested situation, we all loved it because that is the type of sacrificial act that wins games. It should inspire other acts from the players around him (like the Lions with Selwood).
What are our on and off field leaders truly sacrificing to inspire the same thing?
I largely disagree with the whole theory of "it is all broken", I'm sure the same list at Collingwood or Adelaide would've played finals this year and be around the 3 or 4 wins mark this year.
It all comes down the leadership. There is no way that the leadership at Richmond is as tight as the Cats, Eagles, Swans, Crows, Pies etc etc. They clearly do not trust each other and there is little sense of unity.
That is what is broken.
The same people can make a difference is they are prepared to sacrifice their own agendas to all pull in the one direction.
At the moment, it is difficult to believe that is the case.
If a team is so bad, its got to be more than just a lack of teamwork and cohesion, theres a severe lack of talent right across the board from players to coaches etc. Maybe it isnt all broken, but a lot of it is. You cant be this bad for 25 years+ for it not to broken.
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Make every supporter sign loyalty oaths," thou shall not baggeth the clubbeth in times of strifeth!"
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Make every supporter sign loyalty oaths," thou shall not baggeth the clubbeth in times of strifeth!"
LOL GR12, they would probably sign (and brag about it) but then go and act true to their nature under an alias
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gee you sound like you really know what your talking about Chucky :clapping
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Now that I have calmed down after yesterdays disappointing effort...got my head around the fact that Terry wont lead us to the promised land...And finally accepted that another rebuild is necessary....Here are my suggestions-pretty obvious really.
1) Never swap draft picks for recycled fringe players from other clubs.
2) Never "Top Up "your list with more mature players when you finish outside the eight.
3) Stick to a game plan that plays to the players strengths not highlights their weaknesses.
4) We have to be more ruthless when it comes to "List Cloggers" and hard unpopular decissions have to be made.Im talking about players like Polak,Pettifer and Cogs(sorry).Being good Humanitarians wont win us games of football.
5) The most obvious of all....we have to fix our recruiting dept and look at player development.
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There are aspects of the club that have seriously have defied the odds...it's a borderline miracle that we have maintained viability with such limited success....However the football operations is in fact rooted, recruiting, player development is the very seed of our currentl plight. i'm of the view that the task is far too formidable for a rookie coach ...we need to back a seasoned coach IE sheedy or Malthouse that can lead us to the promised land coz he;s been there before and Im not talkin 3g on a HFF in the Big one...Im talkin,coached and built a successful side into premiereship material....This is our best chance
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well lest see
Basically until every member of the 1980 premiership team dies or loses there power we wont get anywhere.
They exert too much influence on the board.
First the positves
For the first time in the modern era since 1983 probably we are actually being set up with state of the art facilities and with abusiness model that will result in the rfc having an income stream outside of football that will GUARANTEE the long term viability of the club. There is currently about $30 million dollars of works being done to upgrade our facilities ( punt Road $19m + craigeburn $10 m) . Of the money richmond will only have to chip in approx 2-2.5 million. So the club is raising 2m ( from us ) and we will get $30 m of facilities.
It will provide us huge income ( millions annually ) in signage, money from the indigenous centre, and catering, why do our corporate events at the MCG when we are only a short stroll away?
SO, off the field financially Steven Wright has to be commended, an amazing outstanding result, he ( and the board ) could not have done a better job, even better when you consider that Casey left us bankrupt. We will have two AFL sized grounds to train on, and the best facilities in the AFL, we have NEVER been is such a strong position off the field.
Now that we have money ( and will have money for the forseeable future ) we have clean out the football department, without money, this is critical, money has to come first ( especially when unlike the kangaroos we have a past players association that is disruptive and that makes our culltureof success or lack of it the worst in the AFL )
We need a new coach someone young in my opinion, I would not discount Ken Hinkley or brad Scott as I believe Buckley and Hardwick would not be interested, and to be honest I rate Hinkley and scott above them anyway. We need a whole new coaching panel, sweep the broom, and lets throw money at the 5 best assistant coaches in the country. craig mcrae can stay, the rest can go, especially royal king campbell and rawlings, not up to it,any of them.
In addition we need to spend $ 3 MILLION ayear on recruiting, we need 2 people in Sydney to take advantage of the nsw free kick that has been made available to the richer clubs who were resourced to take advantage of it. We need two have not 1 but 2 full time senior recruiters at each colts game in the wafl and the same in the junior games in SANFL. We need two full times in qld and at least 10 full time recruiters to cover the TAC cup every week. Thats the only way we are gunna get better regarding identifying the best talent.
We also need to sure up our medical division, weight gain has been a problem for our juniors for the last 20 years. Lets get a pharmisist in and fix that once and for all.
I dont really mind too much if we dont tank, but we have to take 10 untried and unexposed 18 yr old boys every year for the next three years. If we are to be poo at least lets be young.
Lastly we need a new director of football, Craig Cameron has shown he hasnt got the strength to stand up for his beliefs. Spending a 3rd and 4th round pick on Thomson and hislop and then backflipping on cousins means he hasnt got the authority to make a decision, or he just makes the wrong decisions, either way we need a stronger personality Pelchen would be ideal, pay him 1million a year and get him acrross. List management is critical.
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In isolation, its not about the coach, the CEO, the recruiter or the President.
To me, it is how all of them co-exist in a functional way so that they may all pull together in the one direction.
The key question is "will it help us win more games?"
In saying that, each of the above people need to question what they are doing to help achieve that objective.
*Sacking Greg Miller in August last year "will it help us win more games?" maybe in 2 or 3 years time but NOT in season 2008.
*Rating a coach 5 out of 10 on radio on the eve of the final game last year? "will that help to win more games"
*Executing a rolling zone gameplan in 2009 when a "man on man" style won us 8 of 11 in the back half of last year
And there are a million more examples.....
When Alex Rance threw himself head first into a contested situation, we all loved it because that is the type of sacrificial act that wins games. It should inspire other acts from the players around him (like the Lions with Selwood).
What are our on and off field leaders truly sacrificing to inspire the same thing?
I largely disagree with the whole theory of "it is all broken", I'm sure the same list at Collingwood or Adelaide would've played finals this year and be around the 3 or 4 wins mark this year.
It all comes down the leadership. There is no way that the leadership at Richmond is as tight as the Cats, Eagles, Swans, Crows, Pies etc etc. They clearly do not trust each other and there is little sense of unity.
That is what is broken.
The same people can make a difference is they are prepared to sacrifice their own agendas to all pull in the one direction.
At the moment, it is difficult to believe that is the case.
If a team is so bad, its got to be more than just a lack of teamwork and cohesion, theres a severe lack of talent right across the board from players to coaches etc. Maybe it isnt all broken, but a lot of it is. You cant be this bad for 25 years+ for it not to broken.
Maybe but I just get the feeling that if we get the right combination of coach, football manager and president the club might make a significant climb north on the ladder.
Players who look skinny and under developed might "bulk up" and make a huge improvement.
As so many people say, "the competition is so even, a marginal improvement makes a big difference".
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well lest see
craig mcrae can stay,
Once again you have proven that you have no idea.
yes lets keep McCrae as he has done wonders with this group and lets dump Campo who has been there for 5 minutes.
Listen up imbecile, problems existed long before Campbell arrived through dumb decisions like recruiting of your porn star mate Mcmahon.
Funny so many people were happy when we got him and now you barely hear anyone applaud that decision.
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Put the mother idiots on ebay,
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1) sit a 'tall forward' in the square.
2) move out of his way.
3) get it into the forward line quickly.
4) when they have the ball, man up.
5) wait for leads.
6) do not lead into players.
7) keep one side of the ground open to lead in.
8 ) kick it long.
9) tackle.
10) chase.
11) kick goals.
12) keep kicking goals.
13) have 'target' players. (eg: Schulz, Hughes, Simmonds, Morton)
14) do not kick the ball to a contest in the forward line if Nahas, Brown, Tambling or there.
15) play with passion.
16) do not drop your heads.
17) season is not over.
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Put the mother effers on ebay,
hahahahahha what a classic yeah they footy moles can bid for them :thumbsup
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Great posts yellowandblack and blaisee! You make a hell of a lot of sense. :clapping
We are a very successful club off the field despite our on-field woes. It is astounding to even imagine the membership and general revenue that Richmond could create with even an ounce of success.
Leadership is the biggest problem at the club that and recruiting. These are things hard to correct. Game Style, team strategy and motivation are far easier to change and find than quality players and leaders. When TW goes the new coach will still be left with almost the same list. He can give them confidence, teach them set plays, educate them how to act during the game but when it comes to an actual game....he is in the box. It is the team leaders that become the coaches then, they keep morale high, they maintain the expectation, they show the others what needs to be done. We don't have leaders.
This is why Richo needs to go. Not for all the talent and heart he brings to the club but because he does not know how to educate and motivate the players to victory, he just knows how to win a game individually. Bowden, Simmonds and Brown are all in the same boat. Johnson has the leadership but not the quality of play.
It's time to get rid of the bad culture in the list and allow the new coach the opportunity to educate new leaders who will lead and motivate the rest of the team on the field. Newman, Foley, Deledio, Cotchin etc can not hope to lead while players of the ilk of Bowden and Richo remain - they are too powerful figures and personalities around the club.
This is the first step.
Stripes
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oh dear, Craig McCrae, a nothing person.
Has developed zip sorry donuts :chuck
We need "'axe murders"' at our club to change the culture.
Not fairy flosses. :banghead
The culture needs to be changed. end of story
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We need "'axe murders"' at our club to change the culture.
Not fairy flosses. :banghead
Yet you want Wayne Campbell as coach?
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We need "'axe murders"' at our club to change the culture.
Not fairy flosses. :banghead
Yet you want Wayne Campbell as coach?
must the definition of ironic that jack wants the club to change its culture, yet is championing the faceless men campaign of undermining the board....again.
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We need "'axe murders"' at our club to change the culture.
Not fairy flosses. :banghead
Yet you want Wayne Campbell as coach?
Your amazing Infamy. You see Wayne Campbell as the player.
I see Wayne Campbell as a person and coach.
Whats the point of even discussing Wayne Campbell further. Have you ever spoken to him. :banghead :banghead
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Imagine if its Campbell who has to tap Richo on the shoulder and tell him to retire.
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We need "'axe murders"' at our club to change the culture.
Not fairy flosses. :banghead
Yet you want Wayne Campbell as coach?
Your amazing Infamy. You see Wayne Campbell as the player.
I see Wayne Campbell as a person and coach.
Whats the point of even discussing Wayne Campbell further. Have you ever spoken to him. :banghead :banghead
I couldn't give a stuff, he was a soft player and would never, ever, EVER fall under your criteria of needing an axe murders (sic) and no fairy flosses.
Look for "fairy floss" in the dictionary and there's a picture of Wayne Campbell
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1) Never swap draft picks for recycled fringe players from other clubs.
2) Never "Top Up "your list with more mature players when you finish outside the eight.
3) Stick to a game plan that plays to the players strengths not highlights their weaknesses.
4) We have to be more ruthless when it comes to "List Cloggers" and hard unpopular decissions have to be made.Im talking about players like Polak,Pettifer and Cogs(sorry).Being good Humanitarians wont win us games of football.
5) The most obvious of all....we have to fix our recruiting dept and look at player development.
Pretty much agree with all of that except number 4(but the player has to be exceptional).
I'd also add that choosing players in the draft with exceptional disposal is an absolute must.
We have had too many players with shaky disposal for almost as long as I can remember.
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This is why Richo needs to go. Not for all the talent and heart he brings to the club but because he does not know how to educate and motivate the players to victory, he just knows how to win a game individually. Bowden, Simmonds and Brown are all in the same boat. Johnson has the leadership but not the quality of play.
I also reckon this is a significant problem.
The senior players are entrenched in years of failure.
Richo even said earlier this year that the side does not know how to win.
The senior players are clueless as to show the juniors what it takes to be the best because they've barely tasted any success themselves!
So it goes. :help
Time for the Blight 'scorched earth' policy.
Thanks for your services gentlemen but time to offer up opportunities for others.
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We need "'axe murders"' at our club to change the culture.
Not fairy flosses. :banghead
Yet you want Wayne Campbell as coach?
Your amazing Infamy. You see Wayne Campbell as the player.
I see Wayne Campbell as a person and coach.
Whats the point of even discussing Wayne Campbell further. Have you ever spoken to him. :banghead :banghead
Wayne Campbell as a person, wannnabe coach and a player are all the same opportunist. He was a selfish opportunist as a player, and has already demonstrated the same selfish opportunism as a coach after leaving the dogs after only a year.
There'd be no arguments if he worked hard and achieved success at the dogs before putting his hand up for the senior gig at Richmond. Instead, he's putting it up after 1 year's experience. How typical. And how typical of Richmond to entertain the idea instead of making him work for it.
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some of you aint got a stuffing clue about Wayne Campbell & what he can give back to football. l think its the fact that he proved so many of you fools wrong being All Australian & 5 times B&F & Victorian player peeed many of you off. Whatever you say about him will never change the fact that history records show he was a respected player in Australian football & is now being considered for what he has to offer in the future in whatever role that will be.
Some of you need to give it a rest, If Jack Dyer said he was a very good player than thats enough for anyone to take notice otherwise you be insulting Jack Dyer.
Same goes with Joel Bowden, his pulling his weight this year playing well yet most of you slam him, If he plays a certain way then its the stuffing coaches Job & the selectors to change, it but thats the way they ask him to play. he is playing on next year so l be enjoying it ;D so shove that up ya asses
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As an outsider to all of this its Hardwick for me. Tough as nails as a player, will make the hard decisions and challenge the young players to better themselves. Is young and won't be daunted by the challenge of rebuilding the list. Has seen it all unfold at Hawthorn. The only concern for me is why he missed out at both Melbourne and Essendon.
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Jake, I heard on radio recently that there was some kind of security clamp down at Hawthorn when he had his interview at Essendon so he didn't have access to his computer which had his presentation on it.
No idea if having it would have got him the job over Knights but it wouldn't have helped not having it.
TM, good stuff. :thumbsup
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Has to be Hardwick or Hinkley as the front runners
Both highly rated assistants from the last two premiership sides
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Jake, I heard on radio recently that there was some kind of security clamp down at Hawthorn when he had his interview at Essendon so he didn't have access to his computer which had his presentation on it.
No idea if having it would have got him the job over Knights but it wouldn't have helped not having it.
:o
You would have to think that if he was so dumb in his approach to risk management that he produced his presentation for an opposing position on his current employer's computer AND didn't have an off-site back up then he probably doesn't deserve a senior gig - anywhere!
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I can only reply to this after having a couple of days to calm down from the game on Saturday. I thought I was disappointed more than I could be after the Bulldogs game but I think it was worse this time. We were playing much better than them and they are not in the same class as the Bulldogs, and to capitulate like that just about gutted me. So, after a cooling off period and instead of wailing in to the various debates about blame I thought it would be more constructive to reply to this excellent thread. In all my (now getting too long) life I have never, ever seen a satisfactory outcome to a problem come from an emotional knee jerk reaction and I doubt this time will be any different. I posted a few weeks ago on my thoughts about keeping the game plan simple and I also think our best chance is to keep the 'bigger picture' plan to resurrect our club simple, whatever it turns out to be.
I would:
1. Not make any wholesale changes to the board or key personnel. The job they have done in turning around the off-field position after the Casey disgrace is nothing short of magnificent and they have every right to feel proud of the job they have done. It stands as an equal to the much vaunted job that Costa, Cook etc did with Geelong all those years back and if success follows for us on-field then the appropriate accolades will flow. Yes, there are moments when we might not agree with a comment or decision but overall they have done a fantastic job and need to keep on doing so.
2. Begin the interview process for our next coach now. This would take away the media influence by putting it in the public domain that Wallace will not be coaching next year and that the club will be using the following few months to assess every facet and finalise it's review of the coaching and playing requirement going forward.
3. Ask Wallace to either coach to a pre-determined game/team plan. If he rejects that then allow him to submit an "offer of resignation" - very important subtle difference to resigning outright - and accept that, replacing him with a caretaker from the current assistants. Gives Wallace a 'get out of jail' card that allows him to leave with a measure of dignity and does not compromise the club's position as an employer. It is obvious now that the disconnect between the coaching group and the playing group is too wide to recover from and regardless of who is ultimately to blame, it is the fundamental role of the coaching group to mould the playing group it has been given into a cohesive and successful unit. It has failed to do this and that's why the change is necessary. The playing group must now be played and coached with next year in mind - 'who' plays and 'where' is now the most important thing - 'how' will be up to the next coaching group.
4. Inform Bowden, Brown, Johnson and Simmonds that their time is up at season's end. We need to make some changes to the list and this is the minimum starting point for the last crack at a relatively uncompromised draft for some years. None of these players will benefit the team by playing on next year. Having said that, the team this year has missed the on-field leadership of Johnson much more than many would care to admit but leadership-wise, Brown and Bowden (and to a lesser extent Simmonds) have just plain let everyone down.
5. Not make wholesale changes to the list except to remove the older non-performing players (Pettifer and Schulz are 2 that spring to mind immediately - Polak is another depending on circumstances). That is 7 changes already without delisting one kid. This is the part that many (or maybe most) will probably disagree with but I don't believe our list is anywhere near as bad or fatally flawed as is suggested. We have been in strong winning positions in all but 2 of our games this year and you just can't acheive that if you are a train wreck. Yes, the players are not playing to the game plan and yes, some are not up to scratch, but there is a much stronger core of ability in the list than what the ladder position indicates. I liken our current position very much to that of Hawthorn of 2004. They had a young nucleus of a good side but didn't have all the pieces in place (right coaches, right structure) for them to be a successful side yet. One good draft and a new coaching group later and they were off and running. We are that close right now - I firmly believe that.
So to summarise, none of that is earth-shattering or demands a 'scorched earth' policy. Just some sensible decisions based on research, careful deliberation and fact - just like Hawthorn and Geelong when both clubs were recently in exactly this same position. Some of the reactions of media and supporters alike has been so hysterical to be - well - hysterically funny.
And regardless of how much it hurts today or what happens in the future, I could never ever stop supporting the club - they are far too ingrained into my psyche to let go now.
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Brilliant post smokey! :thumbsup
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Brilliant post smokey! :thumbsup
Totally agree, well done Smokey!
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some of you aint got a effing clue about Wayne Campbell & what he can give back to football. l think its the fact that he proved so many of you fools wrong being All Australian & 5 times B&F & Victorian player peeed many of you off. Whatever you say about him will never change the fact that history records show he was a respected player in Australian football & is now being considered for what he has to offer in the future in whatever role that will be.
Some of you need to give it a rest, If Jack Dyer said he was a very good player than thats enough for anyone to take notice otherwise you be insulting Jack Dyer.
Same goes with Joel Bowden, his pulling his weight this year playing well yet most of you slam him, If he plays a certain way then its the effing coaches Job & the selectors to change, it but thats the way they ask him to play. he is playing on next year so l be enjoying it ;D so shove that up ya asses
stuff off sunshine. Nothing you say gets around the fact Campbell ditched the dogs after a year and hurried back to the easiest meal ticket in town. He can spend the next 10 years living off blokes like you blowing yourself over his collection of wooden spoons and 9th finishes.
LMFAO at Campbells B&Fs. Even Kane Johnson won a B&F at our club.
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oh dear, Craig McCrae, a nothing person.
Has developed zip sorry donuts :chuck
We need "'axe murders"' at our club to change the culture.
Not fairy flosses. :banghead
The culture needs to be changed. end of story
Ah, this made me laugh. very true, very true
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eff off sunshine. Nothing you say gets around the fact Campbell ditched the dogs after a year and hurried back to the easiest meal ticket in town. He can spend the next 10 years living off blokes like you blowing yourself over his collection of wooden spoons and 9th finishes.
LMFAO at Campbells B&Fs. Even Kane Johnson won a B&F at our club.
There you go again bla bla bla, who cares about the Dogs. History is written you aint got a case surely your not a better judge than the Australian football selectors. get out of the past 1980.
Campbell will always be rememberd at a worthy AFL player. maybe he poured you some pee in his pub rather than pouring you a beer cause your comments are poor judgement on his acheivements.
laugh if he became coach & won a premiership but Sheeds will do the best he can
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eff off sunshine. Nothing you say gets around the fact Campbell ditched the dogs after a year and hurried back to the easiest meal ticket in town. He can spend the next 10 years living off blokes like you blowing yourself over his collection of wooden spoons and 9th finishes.
LMFAO at Campbells B&Fs. Even Kane Johnson won a B&F at our club.
There you go again bla bla bla, who cares about the Dogs. History is written you aint got a case surely your not a better judge than the Australian football selectors. get out of the past 1980.
Campbell will always be rememberd at a worthy AFL player. maybe he poured you some pee in his pub rather than pouring you a beer cause your comments are poor judgement on his acheivements.
laugh if he became coach & won a premiership but Sheeds will do the best he can
You said it yourself. He was, at best, a worthy AFL player in a shocking team.
I remember him as a player that was always finishing 9th. And I will never forget nor forgive last round H&A against the Demons when he was chipping it around the boundary when we needed to win to make the finals. Thats the cancer that still exists at this club- Bowden now continues Campbell's legacy.
If we want to go for a young ex-player to coach, Prescott and Bond are well ahead of Campbell due to SIGNIFICANT coaching experience. Campbell has had one year at the caper and is already putting his hand up as if we effin OWE IT TO HIM. Story of his RFC career. We always owe him, never the other way
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eff off sunshine. Nothing you say gets around the fact Campbell ditched the dogs after a year and hurried back to the easiest meal ticket in town. He can spend the next 10 years living off blokes like you blowing yourself over his collection of wooden spoons and 9th finishes.
LMFAO at Campbells B&Fs. Even Kane Johnson won a B&F at our club.
There you go again bla bla bla, who cares about the Dogs. History is written you aint got a case surely your not a better judge than the Australian football selectors. get out of the past 1980.
Campbell will always be rememberd at a worthy AFL player. maybe he poured you some pee in his pub rather than pouring you a beer cause your comments are poor judgement on his acheivements.
laugh if he became coach & won a premiership but Sheeds will do the best he can
why do you bother with them TM.
Campo is one of the most unselfish players to play at our club.
He could have played to 300 games but stopped short of that because he thought he was not good enough to enter into that elite club. FACT!!
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Campo is one of the most unselfish players to play at our club.
He could have played to 300 games but stopped short of that because he thought he was not good enough to enter into that elite club. FACT!!
That one action doesn't make up for an entire career of being selfish
I'm sure it was more to so with the fact that his extended holiday to New York was the following year and he didn't want to change his plans
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Campo is one of the most unselfish players to play at our club.
He could have played to 300 games but stopped short of that because he thought he was not good enough to enter into that elite club. FACT!!
That one action doesn't make up for an entire career of being selfish
I'm sure it was more to so with the fact that his extended holiday to New York was the following year and he didn't want to change his plans
of course you have to come up with something now dont you.
can you give me some other examples on field of his selfishness
look he is not my first choice not by any means but i wouldn't be too upset if we got him. You clearly have an issue with Campo
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Campo is one of the most unselfish players to play at our club.
He could have played to 300 games but stopped short of that because he thought he was not good enough to enter into that elite club. FACT!!
That one action doesn't make up for an entire career of being selfish
I'm sure it was more to so with the fact that his extended holiday to New York was the following year and he didn't want to change his plans
Thats correct
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Campo is one of the most unselfish players to play at our club.
He could have played to 300 games but stopped short of that because he thought he was not good enough to enter into that elite club. FACT!!
That one action doesn't make up for an entire career of being selfish
I'm sure it was more to so with the fact that his extended holiday to New York was the following year and he didn't want to change his plans
of course you have to come up with something now dont you.
can you give me some other examples on field of his selfishness
look he is not my first choice not by any means but i wouldn't be too upset if we got him. You clearly have an issue with Campo
I gave you the best possible example. Were you at the Demons game? How old were you that year? No Richmond supporter would ever have forgotten his spineless performance chipping the ball around the boundary line to get his stats up. He just didnt GAF about finals, club or team. Just his stats count.
Not the only time it happened either
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He could have played to 300 games but stopped short of that because he thought he was not good enough to enter into that elite club. FACT!!
That one action doesn't make up for an entire career of being selfish
I'm sure it was more to so with the fact that his extended holiday to New York was the following year and he didn't want to change his plans
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his holiday had nothing to do with his plan to retire when he did. he was struggling with lower leg injuries. His body couldnot do another pre-season after playing at top level all them years making All-Australian, Victorian side, 5 best & fairest plus other countless awards. that says alot for a player who in your eyes was selfish & poo, maybe you need to get them scratched coke bottle glasses redone because certainly your not that good a judgement over those who awarded a great footballer
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haha how old was l well l can tell ya l'm older than Wayne, watched all his games. just to mention he was also a top junior representing Teal cup, got to be good footballer to have all them honors. he slowed down alot cause he carryed alot of them footballers in his years at Tigerland, you should be respectful he was there otherwise we could have had alot more wooden spoon. 1995 he had the ball on a string & there was alot of top players in the AFL at that time. The more crap you come up with the more l remember how good he really was. he also come runnerup a few times in the Richmond Best & fairest just to add to the 5 he won.
& as l said Jack Dyer said he was a great footballer,
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haha how old was l well l can tell ya l'm older than Wayne, watched all his games. just to mention he was also a top junior representing Teal cup, got to be good footballer to have all them honors. he slowed down alot cause he carryed alot of them footballers in his years at Tigerland, you should be respectful he was there otherwise we could have had alot more wooden spoon. 1995 he had the ball on a string & there was alot of top players in the AFL at that time. The more crap you come up with the more l remember how good he really was. he also come runnerup a few times in the Richmond Best & fairest just to add to the 5 he won.
& as l said Jack Dyer said he was a great footballer,
its funny all those imbeciles jump at the chance to mention Sugar's one B&F but when we turn our attention to Campo they go running and dont want to acknowledge what a good player he was at our club.
also he was one of only 2 captains to assist us in winning a final in the last 25 years. He was also part of the 1995 team.
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He was a good player in a crap side
Certainly doesn't deserve to be handed the keys to the club
Would have taken Knights as a coach over Campbell any day of the week
Knights has had a few years coaching, including running his own side at Port Adelaide
Campbell has done nothing
There are better options available
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I gave you the best possible example. Were you at the Demons game? How old were you that year? No Richmond supporter would ever have forgotten his spineless performance chipping the ball around the boundary line to get his stats up. He just didnt GAF about finals, club or team. Just his stats count.
Crap example.
We got smashed by 13 goals with pretty much every player having a down game yet you manage to highlight one player. :nope
Build a bridge. He's a multiple club champion whether you like it or not. How good or bad the team was is irrelevant. If you don't like it then stiff poo, it's written in history.
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Remember that 1995 final when he broke gary hockings nose? Wasnt a guttsy hit or anything but gary hocking was tough and it shoewd that he had passion and hated losing
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I gave you the best possible example. Were you at the Demons game? How old were you that year? No Richmond supporter would ever have forgotten his spineless performance chipping the ball around the boundary line to get his stats up. He just didnt GAF about finals, club or team. Just his stats count.
Crap example.
We got smashed by 13 goals with pretty much every player having a down game yet you manage to highlight one player. :nope
Build a bridge. He's a multiple club champion whether you like it or not. How good or bad the team was is irrelevant. If you don't like it then stiff poo, it's written in history.
I've singled him out because he's the one putting his handup to coach. And the lets re-run the mediocre days of Campbell as a player all over again crew are too busy felating themselves to know any better.
That game is a fantatsic example that perfectly sums up the player. The team is down and he is playing kick to kick on the boudary line. And here you are cheering him on. :chuck
Its a great example of a team without leadership, a collection of chokers with leadership more interested in being selfish stats hores than playing finals. Campbell always made sure he got his stats quota. Even that day. His individual honors are a wonderful reinforcement of the cricitism that he played entirely for himself at the expense of the team.
LMFAO at u honoring Campbell with 2 finals series to his credit in a 290+ game career. Thats the only part of history that counts for anything sunshine.
As far as I'm concerned, that entire period of our history and everyone associated with it should be blown up and buried 6,000 miles under the ground. Not sneakily manouvering for coaching jobs and being honored for something they never achieved- bringing success to the club.
Tell us about Laffy and the dog again. Its the only you ever had something to say.
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haha how old was l well l can tell ya l'm older than Wayne, watched all his games. just to mention he was also a top junior representing Teal cup, got to be good footballer to have all them honors. he slowed down alot cause he carryed alot of them footballers in his years at Tigerland, you should be respectful he was there otherwise we could have had alot more wooden spoon. 1995 he had the ball on a string & there was alot of top players in the AFL at that time. The more crap you come up with the more l remember how good he really was. he also come runnerup a few times in the Richmond Best & fairest just to add to the 5 he won.
& as l said Jack Dyer said he was a great footballer,
So you've dedicated your entire life to Wayne Campbell. So you're as stupid in life as you are on this board. Good for you.
You can debate all you want about him as a player, what you cant deny is that he choked in games we needed to win. He was one of a group of senior players that couldnt show leadership when it mattered, and they had plenty of opportunities but always dropped their stones and finished 9th.
Not much chance of being a good coach if you were a shocking leader as a player and a perennial choker. To be putting your hand up for it after only a year's experience as an assistant shows you how much disdain you have for the club.
Back to the OP- the club will never go forward as long as people put themselves, their mates and their boyfriends ahead of the club. Campbell is a wonderful example of how some people at the club want to promote their own interests over and above the good of the club itself.
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haha how old was l well l can tell ya l'm older than Wayne, watched all his games. just to mention he was also a top junior representing Teal cup, got to be good footballer to have all them honors. he slowed down alot cause he carryed alot of them footballers in his years at Tigerland, you should be respectful he was there otherwise we could have had alot more wooden spoon. 1995 he had the ball on a string & there was alot of top players in the AFL at that time. The more crap you come up with the more l remember how good he really was. he also come runnerup a few times in the Richmond Best & fairest just to add to the 5 he won.
& as l said Jack Dyer said he was a great footballer,
So you've dedicated your entire life to Wayne Campbell. So you're as stupid in life as you are on this board. Good for you.
You can debate all you want about him as a player, what you cant deny is that he choked in games we needed to win. He was one of a group of senior players that couldnt show leadership when it mattered, and they had plenty of opportunities but always dropped their stones and finished 9th.
Not much chance of being a good coach if you were a shocking leader as a player and a perennial choker. To be putting your hand up for it after only a year's experience as an assistant shows you how much disdain you have for the club.
Back to the OP- the club will never go forward as long as people put themselves, their mates and their boyfriends ahead of the club. Campbell is a wonderful example of how some people at the club want to promote their own interests over and above the good of the club itself.
your a complete raver who l doubt ever played football. at any quality
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haha how old was l well l can tell ya l'm older than Wayne, watched all his games. just to mention he was also a top junior representing Teal cup, got to be good footballer to have all them honors. he slowed down alot cause he carryed alot of them footballers in his years at Tigerland, you should be respectful he was there otherwise we could have had alot more wooden spoon. 1995 he had the ball on a string & there was alot of top players in the AFL at that time. The more crap you come up with the more l remember how good he really was. he also come runnerup a few times in the Richmond Best & fairest just to add to the 5 he won.
& as l said Jack Dyer said he was a great footballer,
So you've dedicated your entire life to Wayne Campbell. So you're as stupid in life as you are on this board. Good for you.
You can debate all you want about him as a player, what you cant deny is that he choked in games we needed to win. He was one of a group of senior players that couldnt show leadership when it mattered, and they had plenty of opportunities but always dropped their stones and finished 9th.
Not much chance of being a good coach if you were a shocking leader as a player and a perennial choker. To be putting your hand up for it after only a year's experience as an assistant shows you how much disdain you have for the club.
Back to the OP- the club will never go forward as long as people put themselves, their mates and their boyfriends ahead of the club. Campbell is a wonderful example of how some people at the club want to promote their own interests over and above the good of the club itself.
your a complete raver who l doubt ever played football. at any quality
I didnt share a house with Nick Daffy either.
The footy version of Brokeback mountain
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As far as I'm concerned, that entire period of our history and everyone associated with it should be blown up and buried 6,000 miles under the ground.
That'd be handy. Then you wouldn't have to worry about recorded historical facts about Campbell showing something different to your opinion.
Laffy and the dog was pretty funny. :thumbsup The bloke who was yelling to take Laffy off and leave the stray dog on was a riot.
That story puts me one up on you in the worthwhile stakes. :D
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haha how old was l well l can tell ya l'm older than Wayne, watched all his games. just to mention he was also a top junior representing Teal cup, got to be good footballer to have all them honors. he slowed down alot cause he carryed alot of them footballers in his years at Tigerland, you should be respectful he was there otherwise we could have had alot more wooden spoon. 1995 he had the ball on a string & there was alot of top players in the AFL at that time. The more crap you come up with the more l remember how good he really was. he also come runnerup a few times in the Richmond Best & fairest just to add to the 5 he won.
& as l said Jack Dyer said he was a great footballer,
So you've dedicated your entire life to Wayne Campbell. So you're as stupid in life as you are on this board. Good for you.
You can debate all you want about him as a player, what you cant deny is that he choked in games we needed to win. He was one of a group of senior players that couldnt show leadership when it mattered, and they had plenty of opportunities but always dropped their stones and finished 9th.
Not much chance of being a good coach if you were a shocking leader as a player and a perennial choker. To be putting your hand up for it after only a year's experience as an assistant shows you how much disdain you have for the club.
Back to the OP- the club will never go forward as long as people put themselves, their mates and their boyfriends ahead of the club. Campbell is a wonderful example of how some people at the club want to promote their own interests over and above the good of the club itself.
your a complete raver who l doubt ever played football. at any quality
I didnt share a house with Nick Daffy either.
The footy version of Brokeback mountain
and your OER version of Brokeback mountain now go pee up a flag pole pal
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haha how old was l well l can tell ya l'm older than Wayne, watched all his games. just to mention he was also a top junior representing Teal cup, got to be good footballer to have all them honors. he slowed down alot cause he carryed alot of them footballers in his years at Tigerland, you should be respectful he was there otherwise we could have had alot more wooden spoon. 1995 he had the ball on a string & there was alot of top players in the AFL at that time. The more crap you come up with the more l remember how good he really was. he also come runnerup a few times in the Richmond Best & fairest just to add to the 5 he won.
& as l said Jack Dyer said he was a great footballer,
So you've dedicated your entire life to Wayne Campbell. So you're as stupid in life as you are on this board. Good for you.
You can debate all you want about him as a player, what you cant deny is that he choked in games we needed to win. He was one of a group of senior players that couldnt show leadership when it mattered, and they had plenty of opportunities but always dropped their stones and finished 9th.
Not much chance of being a good coach if you were a shocking leader as a player and a perennial choker. To be putting your hand up for it after only a year's experience as an assistant shows you how much disdain you have for the club.
Back to the OP- the club will never go forward as long as people put themselves, their mates and their boyfriends ahead of the club. Campbell is a wonderful example of how some people at the club want to promote their own interests over and above the good of the club itself.
your a complete raver who l doubt ever played football. at any quality
I didnt share a house with Nick Daffy either.
The footy version of Brokeback mountain
and your OER version of Brokeback mountain now go pee up a flag pole pal
Oh come on, this is the internet where you actually have time to think of a clever response before you post it
Is that the best you can come up with?
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Infamy, you have been recycling the same anti Wayne Campbell rant for the last couple of weeks, how much thought has gone into that? Or are you just cutting and pasting? ???
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its funny all those imbeciles jump at the chance to mention Sugar's one B&F but when we turn our attention to Campo they go running and dont want to acknowledge what a good player he was at our club.
It's also funny that this thread is entitled "How would you Fix Richmond- Your Ideas to save a Great Club" and yet in your half dozen or so posts not one idea, just sniping at others who have had the courage to put their hand up and say what they would do. Says a lot I think.
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As far as I'm concerned, that entire period of our history and everyone associated with it should be blown up and buried 6,000 miles under the ground.
That'd be handy. Then you wouldn't have to worry about recorded historical facts about Campbell showing something different to your opinion.
Laffy and the dog was pretty funny. :thumbsup The bloke who was yelling to take Laffy off and leave the stray dog on was a riot.
That story puts me one up on you in the worthwhile stakes. :D
Yeah I love the historical fact that Campbell played 15 in seasons and only twice played in finals. And here I was thinking the whole point of AFL football was making finals, but I guess its all about racking up individual honors. And people wonder why we are such a rubbish club.
Like all premature ejaculators, you're far too easily pleased.
But Laffy's dog story is one of the best.
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I think the club has been crap on-field despite a player the quality of Campbell and not because of him.
Have you got anything tangible to back up your opinion or is data mining and throwing insults the extent of it?
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1980 & Infamy this is directed to you 2 campbell bashers.
15 seasons is very good at top level he should be applauded.
5 best & Fairest & a few runners-up
All-Australian
Victorian selection
finals football.
Captain of a AFL team
very well respected by past greats
top junior player
teal cup selection
played in premierships prior to league selection
being offered coaching roles now must mean something cause your not being offered anything but a idiot in the ear from your mate
l say thats a list of acheivements your mouth cant run off about cause its constantly full
when you walk into the club next time-if you even go there have a look around, you wont see your name anywhere but you find the Campbell name there & not just one
l just cant work out how you say he was a crap players with a huge list of acheivements, you 2 must be fooled in some form but l wont deflat you anymore cause you done that enough yourselves.
end of conversation
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Now back to topic
How l would fix the club at present would be
1. honor Wallace request to coach out the season
2. sack several of the assistant coaches as they are not delivering in thier roles
3. put all players on notice they are all playing for thier futures
4. all players must be 100% fit to take the field
5. enforce curfews on media on all players & staff apart from AFL requirements
6. any player not playing to the game plan & structure of the side be replaced
7. any player not respecting his opponant be benched & dropped the next week
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Now back to topic
How l would fix the club at present would be
1. honor Wallace request to coach out the season
2. sack several of the assistant coaches as they are not delivering in thier roles
3. put all players on notice they are all playing for thier futures
4. all players must be 100% fit to take the field
5. enforce curfews on media on all players & staff apart from AFL requirements
6. any player not playing to the game plan & structure of the side be replaced
7. any player not respecting his opponant be benched & dropped the next week
Can't argue with that TM! All sounds good to me! :clapping To not sack Wallace until the end of the season would show that we have matured as a club and are now prepared to fulfill contracts of coaches. This will only attract better quality coaching staff. Also regarding assistants, we need to recruit wherever possible, coaches who have a proven track record either on or off the field in their respective coaching positions. not backmen doing forward coaching and so on.
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I think the club has been crap on-field despite a player the quality of Campbell and not because of him.
Have you got anything tangible to back up your opinion or is data mining and throwing insults the extent of it?
I think the club has been crap because it has overrated senior players like Campbell who were not fit to lead the club and proved it by choking the multiple opportunities they had to win games that led to finals, and instead finished NINTH.
I dont need to data mine to know a team is only as good as its leaders.
Go and look up how may times we finished 9th over Campbell's career.
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1980 & Infamy this is directed to you 2 campbell bashers.
15 seasons is very good at top level he should be applauded.
5 best & Fairest & a few runners-up
All-Australian
Victorian selection
finals football.
Captain of a AFL team
very well respected by past greats
top junior player
teal cup selection
played in premierships prior to league selection
being offered coaching roles now must mean something cause your not being offered anything but a idiot in the ear from your mate
l say thats a list of acheivements your mouth cant run off about cause its constantly full
when you walk into the club next time-if you even go there have a look around, you wont see your name anywhere but you find the Campbell name there & not just one
l just cant work out how you say he was a crap players with a huge list of acheivements, you 2 must be fooled in some form but l wont deflat you anymore cause you done that enough yourselves.
end of conversation
Knifed Matthew Knights in the back
Split the playing group against Matthew Knights
Wanted to be traded to North but they didnt rate him enough to give anything up for him
Embarrassed the club with his chick slap on Libba proving conclusively once and for all that we were a soft club led by a girl
One of the most dubious kicks ever at the club. Famous for his quick kicks that counted as a stat but always turned ther ball over. Also famous for his high kicks that went 10 metres.
Was terrified of body contact. Never suffered a major injury because he'd rather turn the ball over than get tackled
Wore his hair girl style so he could look like his house mate Nick Daffy
Campbell was a footballer overrated by easily pleased premature ejaculators who were starved of success for so may years that they couldnt tell a good average footballer from a genuine matchwinning, team lifting superstar. You'd be embarrassed if you had to compare Campbell alongside his peers in the AFL such as Voss, Buckley or Hird.
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So 1980, Sack Campbell,...I get it....now replace him with whom? This thread is about fixing the club not digging into the past. ::)
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So 1980, Sack Campbell,...I get it....now replace him with whom? This thread is about fixing the club not digging into the past. ::)
i bet we will get this no named coach and it will take us two years to get in the top 8
let us pray that it won't end up like that
:pray
but with no guns in our team that seems to be the only thing we can look foward to :-[
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1980 & Infamy this is directed to you 2 campbell bashers.
15 seasons is very good at top level he should be applauded.
5 best & Fairest & a few runners-up
All-Australian
Victorian selection
finals football.
Captain of a AFL team
very well respected by past greats
top junior player
teal cup selection
played in premierships prior to league selection
being offered coaching roles now must mean something cause your not being offered anything but a idiot in the ear from your mate
l say thats a list of acheivements your mouth cant run off about cause its constantly full
when you walk into the club next time-if you even go there have a look around, you wont see your name anywhere but you find the Campbell name there & not just one
l just cant work out how you say he was a crap players with a huge list of acheivements, you 2 must be fooled in some form but l wont deflat you anymore cause you done that enough yourselves.
end of conversation
Knifed Matthew Knights in the back
Split the playing group against Matthew Knights
Wanted to be traded to North but they didnt rate him enough to give anything up for him
Embarrassed the club with his chick slap on Libba proving conclusively once and for all that we were a soft club led by a girl
One of the most dubious kicks ever at the club. Famous for his quick kicks that counted as a stat but always turned ther ball over. Also famous for his high kicks that went 10 metres.
Was terrified of body contact. Never suffered a major injury because he'd rather turn the ball over than get tackled
Wore his hair girl style so he could look like his house mate Nick Daffy
Campbell was a footballer overrated by easily pleased premature ejaculators who were starved of success for so may years that they couldnt tell a good average footballer from a genuine matchwinning, team lifting superstar. You'd be embarrassed if you had to compare Campbell alongside his peers in the AFL such as Voss, Buckley or Hird.
as l said your a born raver, all your facts about Campbell & Knights are wrong but you know everything about Richmond players
The way you talk Campbell made himself captain haha you need to retain from substance abuse
you bash Campbell & Bowden constantly yet they are both All-Australian selected & Best & fairest winners
you must be the most important supporter in VFL/AFL history knowing more about football than Australian selectors
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some people here have an IQ of a child.
Think of wayne campbell the person, not the player
Wayne Campbell is fully respected by all in the footy community .
His knowledge of football is second to none.
Will make agood coach.
I said the same about Matty Knights, and most wankers around here thought I was a fool, who are the fools now ??????
RFC
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yeah funny that hey ;D & Knights came from the same era as Campbell how come Infamy & 1980 have gone quite on Knights.
His got more wins on the board than our coach & they are so injured yet play a better style football & are younger.
falls back to whats wrong with RFC why cant our youngsters cement a spot in the side with 6 old players ;D
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yeah funny that hey ;D & Knights came from the same era as Campbell how come Infamy & 1980 have gone quite on Knights.
His got more wins on the board than our coach & they are so injured yet play a better style football & are younger.
falls back to whats wrong with RFC why cant our youngsters cement a spot in the side with 6 old players ;D
No-one could deny Campbell the opportunity if he'd racked up as much coaching experience as Knights had before he got the senior gig at Essendon.
And you've got the gall to compare him to Knights after 1 year's experience as an assistant coach, proving both that you've got NFI, and even worse, that you couldnt give a stuff about the risk the club would be undertaking by putting on a novice.
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So 1980, Sack Campbell,...I get it....now replace him with whom? This thread is about fixing the club not digging into the past. ::)
The Campbell issue is a great barometer about whats wrong with this club.
Campbell could have been one of our great players if we'd made him work for it. Someone over on BigFooty said recently he could have been as good as Robert Harvey. But we let him get away with deficiencies in his game because he was better than most of the players at the club. He never had to push himself, and we pumped him up, overrated him, made everything too easy for him, gave him B&Fs (half of which he didnt earn) put all our hopes into the likes of him, and didnt make him and other senior players accountable when we finished 9th.
And its not Campbell's fault, its the clubs.
And we have done the same with Deledio.
Campbell has had a year's experience as an assistant and here we are handing him the senior gig as if he owns the joint. What does that say about us as a footy club?
We have to stop overrating our players, we need to be far more aggressive in our drafting and trading (the Hawks didnt get the pick for Hodge for free).
If we'd had the stones to trade Campbell and Richo for Lockett (and kept Maxfield), we'd have gotten closer to a premiership than we did, and we'd have a list of players that wouldnt be so comfortable around the footy club for so long.
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yeah funny that hey ;D & Knights came from the same era as Campbell how come Infamy & 1980 have gone quite on Knights.
His got more wins on the board than our coach & they are so injured yet play a better style football & are younger.
falls back to whats wrong with RFC why cant our youngsters cement a spot in the side with 6 old players ;D
1. Knights hasn't won a thing yet, his side started well last year too yet crashed out of the 8
2. The Essendon side is still built around some premiership bookends in Fletcher & Lloyd, plus Lucas is pretty handy too when not recovering from a knee reco. They'd want Gumbleton to come good for when Lloyd & Lucas retire.
3. Knights at least coached his own sides in both the SANFL & VFL in addition to being an assistant at AFL level, Campbell has only been an AFL assistant for and for a very short time
4. Knights still doesn't have any history of being involved in successful sides, let's wait and see how he goes in finals, if he makes them, before we really judge him
5. If I had to choose between the two, I'd take Knights over Campbell any day of the week and twice on game day, I still think there are far better options.
I'd like to know why you clowns thing Campbell is a better candidate than Hardwick or Hinkley
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yeah funny that hey ;D & Knights came from the same era as Campbell how come Infamy & 1980 have gone quite on Knights.
His got more wins on the board than our coach & they are so injured yet play a better style football & are younger.
falls back to whats wrong with RFC why cant our youngsters cement a spot in the side with 6 old players ;D
No-one could deny Campbell the opportunity if he'd racked up as much coaching experience as Knights had before he got the senior gig at Essendon.
And you've got the gall to compare him to Knights after 1 year's experience as an assistant coach, proving both that you've got NFI, and even worse, that you couldnt give a stuff about the risk the club would be undertaking by putting on a novice.
l dont want Campbell to be coach & dont even want him as a assistant coach at the club & want him to go elsewhere like TAC or VFL & take control of a club by himself & if he get the points up then maybe he can return but Sheeds wants to teach him
l been stating that for a few years its obvoius you not reading the forum. ask Smokey, Jackstar, & others l have been saying this for so long.
Stop worrying about any of them getting the senior coaching job next year cause it wont happen.
l compared them as playing in the same era yet you dont bag Knights from playing in the dull years like other players you hate. l have said from day dot Knights would make a good coach just click back a few years post have a read ;D
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So 1980, Sack Campbell,...I get it....now replace him with whom? This thread is about fixing the club not digging into the past. ::)
The Campbell issue is a great barometer about whats wrong with this club.
Campbell could have been one of our great players if we'd made him work for it. Someone over on BigFooty said recently he could have been as good as Robert Harvey. But we let him get away with deficiencies in his game because he was better than most of the players at the club. He never had to push himself, and we pumped him up, overrated him, made everything too easy for him, gave him B&Fs (half of which he didnt earn) put all our hopes into the likes of him, and didnt make him and other senior players accountable when we finished 9th.
And its not Campbell's fault, its the clubs.
And we have done the same with Deledio.
Campbell has had a year's experience as an assistant and here we are handing him the senior gig as if he owns the joint. What does that say about us as a footy club?
We have to stop overrating our players, we need to be far more aggressive in our drafting and trading (the Hawks didnt get the pick for Hodge for free).
If we'd had the stones to trade Campbell and Richo for Lockett (and kept Maxfield), we'd have gotten closer to a premiership than we did, and we'd have a list of players that wouldnt be so comfortable around the footy club for so long.
the bloke at big footy ;D :rollin dont know what champions are if he reckon Campbell could have been like Robert Harvey :rollin
Harvey you wouldnot find a better club person & is fitter than most current AFL players today. would make Richmonds top 22 today. His off-field training pushed by himself is twice the footballer as WC
While Harvey was training outside of football & planing his opponants each week can tell you WC was not.
Robert Harvey is one of the nicest footballers l have ever met & again if you go back & read my past years post will see Robert Harvey is the best footballer l ever seen & the word champion is used for such people like him.
Maxfield was one of Richmonds biggest mistakes he was a good footballer we should never have lost
Yes Wayne has had some coaching experience but its all talk that he will be the next senior coach, l doubt very much RFC will give him the caretaker role but again thats all talk as Wallace should be made stay his term now as its too late. l want to see if Wallace can now term the players around. Campbell will not be Richmond senior coach next year
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yeah funny that hey ;D & Knights came from the same era as Campbell how come Infamy & 1980 have gone quite on Knights.
His got more wins on the board than our coach & they are so injured yet play a better style football & are younger.
falls back to whats wrong with RFC why cant our youngsters cement a spot in the side with 6 old players ;D
1. Knights hasn't won a thing yet, his side started well last year too yet crashed out of the 8
2. The Essendon side is still built around some premiership bookends in Fletcher & Lloyd, plus Lucas is pretty handy too when not recovering from a knee reco. They'd want Gumbleton to come good for when Lloyd & Lucas retire.
3. Knights at least coached his own sides in both the SANFL & VFL in addition to being an assistant at AFL level, Campbell has only been an AFL assistant for and for a very short time
4. Knights still doesn't have any history of being involved in successful sides, let's wait and see how he goes in finals, if he makes them, before we really judge him
5. If I had to choose between the two, I'd take Knights over Campbell any day of the week and twice on game day, I still think there are far better options.
I'd like to know why you clowns thing Campbell is a better candidate than Hardwick or Hinkley
you copy & paste things l'm sure & we been over most of what you say but you forgot one thing
Essendon are playing better football than Richmond & Essendon was depleted with injuries & old players when Knights took over. He killed others off through his ridgid training that were not AFL quality players, They beat Carlton who murdered us & also beat Hawthorn in one of the best games l seen this year. They play watchable football & you never know when they will win.
Richmond you must know by now are predictable on the field coming out the backline, predictable to play ugly football, Predictable that they will lose when going through the turnstyle the stress on the Tiger supporters is flowing through the players & most of all we attack each other which the most stupid part of barracking for Richmond. l get over it by going to other live games l also hold a Melbourne & Collingwood memberships & also get the freebie to attend
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yeah funny that hey ;D & Knights came from the same era as Campbell how come Infamy & 1980 have gone quite on Knights.
His got more wins on the board than our coach & they are so injured yet play a better style football & are younger.
falls back to whats wrong with RFC why cant our youngsters cement a spot in the side with 6 old players ;D
1. Knights hasn't won a thing yet, his side started well last year too yet crashed out of the 8
2. The Essendon side is still built around some premiership bookends in Fletcher & Lloyd, plus Lucas is pretty handy too when not recovering from a knee reco. They'd want Gumbleton to come good for when Lloyd & Lucas retire.
3. Knights at least coached his own sides in both the SANFL & VFL in addition to being an assistant at AFL level, Campbell has only been an AFL assistant for and for a very short time
4. Knights still doesn't have any history of being involved in successful sides, let's wait and see how he goes in finals, if he makes them, before we really judge him
5. If I had to choose between the two, I'd take Knights over Campbell any day of the week and twice on game day, I still think there are far better options.
I'd like to know why you clowns thing Campbell is a better candidate than Hardwick or Hinkley
Not me.
would be happy with Campo if he was to get the gig but would be more happier with Hardwick or Malthouse, although i am starting to think the latter is finished.