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Re: How would you Fix Richmond- Your Ideas to save a Great Club
« Reply #30 on: May 11, 2009, 11:38:26 PM »
We need "'axe murders"' at our club to change the culture.
Not fairy flosses. :banghead

Yet you want Wayne Campbell as coach?

Your amazing Infamy. You see Wayne Campbell as the player.
I see Wayne Campbell as a person and coach.
Whats the point of even discussing Wayne Campbell further.  Have you ever spoken to him. :banghead :banghead

Wayne Campbell as a person, wannnabe coach and a player are all the same opportunist. He was a selfish opportunist as a player, and has already demonstrated the same selfish opportunism as a coach after leaving the dogs after only a year.

There'd be no arguments if he worked hard and achieved success at the dogs before putting his hand up for the senior gig at Richmond. Instead, he's putting it up after 1 year's experience. How typical. And how typical of Richmond to entertain the idea instead of making him work for it.

   

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Re: How would you Fix Richmond- Your Ideas to save a Great Club
« Reply #31 on: May 12, 2009, 10:41:27 AM »
some of you aint got a stuffing clue about Wayne Campbell & what he can give back to football. l think its the fact that he proved so many of you fools wrong being All Australian & 5 times B&F & Victorian player peeed many of you off. Whatever you say about him will never change the fact that history records show he was a respected player in Australian football & is now being considered for what he has to offer in the future in whatever role that will be.
Some of you need to give it a rest, If Jack Dyer said he was a very good player than thats enough for anyone to take notice otherwise you be insulting Jack Dyer.

Same goes with Joel Bowden, his pulling his weight this year playing well yet most of you slam him, If he plays a certain way then its the stuffing coaches Job & the selectors to change,  it but thats the way they ask him to play. he is playing on next year so l be enjoying it  ;D so shove that up ya asses

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Re: How would you Fix Richmond- Your Ideas to save a Great Club
« Reply #32 on: May 12, 2009, 11:31:35 AM »
As an outsider to all of this its Hardwick for me. Tough as nails as a player, will make the hard decisions and challenge the young players to better themselves. Is young and won't be daunted by the challenge of rebuilding the list. Has seen it all unfold at Hawthorn. The only concern for me is why he missed out at both Melbourne and Essendon.

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Re: How would you Fix Richmond- Your Ideas to save a Great Club
« Reply #33 on: May 12, 2009, 11:40:34 AM »
Jake, I heard on radio recently that there was some kind of security clamp down at Hawthorn when he had his interview at Essendon so he didn't have access to his computer which had his presentation on it.
No idea if having it would have got him the job over Knights but it wouldn't have helped not having it.

TM, good stuff.  :thumbsup
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Re: How would you Fix Richmond- Your Ideas to save a Great Club
« Reply #34 on: May 12, 2009, 12:20:56 PM »
Has to be Hardwick or Hinkley as the front runners
Both highly rated assistants from the last two premiership sides

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Re: How would you Fix Richmond- Your Ideas to save a Great Club
« Reply #35 on: May 12, 2009, 12:35:16 PM »
Jake, I heard on radio recently that there was some kind of security clamp down at Hawthorn when he had his interview at Essendon so he didn't have access to his computer which had his presentation on it.
No idea if having it would have got him the job over Knights but it wouldn't have helped not having it.


 :o

You would have to think that if he was so dumb in his approach to risk management that he produced his presentation for an opposing position on his current employer's computer AND didn't have an off-site back up then he probably doesn't deserve a senior gig - anywhere!

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Re: How would you Fix Richmond- Your Ideas to save a Great Club
« Reply #36 on: May 12, 2009, 01:39:38 PM »
I can only reply to this after having a couple of days to calm down from the game on Saturday.  I thought I was disappointed more than I could be after the Bulldogs game but I think it was worse this time.  We were playing much better than them and they are not in the same class as the Bulldogs, and to capitulate like that just about gutted me.  So, after a cooling off period and instead of wailing in to the various debates about blame I thought it would be more constructive to reply to this excellent thread.  In all my (now getting too long) life I have never, ever seen a satisfactory outcome to a problem come from an emotional knee jerk reaction and I doubt this time will be any different.  I posted a few weeks ago on my thoughts about keeping the game plan simple and I also think our best chance is to keep the 'bigger picture' plan to resurrect our club simple, whatever it turns out to be.

I would:

1.  Not make any wholesale changes to the board or key personnel.  The job they have done in turning around the off-field position after the Casey disgrace is nothing short of magnificent and they have every right to feel proud of the job they have done.  It stands as an equal to the much vaunted job that Costa, Cook etc did with Geelong all those years back and if success follows for us on-field then the appropriate accolades will flow.  Yes, there are moments when we might not agree with a comment or decision but overall they have done a fantastic job and need to keep on doing so.

2.  Begin the interview process for our next coach now.  This would take away the media influence by putting it in the public domain that Wallace will not be coaching next year and that the club will be using the following few months to assess every facet and finalise it's review of the coaching and playing requirement going forward.

3.  Ask Wallace to either coach to a pre-determined game/team plan.  If he rejects that then allow him to submit an "offer of resignation" - very important subtle difference to resigning outright - and accept that, replacing him with a caretaker from the current assistants.  Gives Wallace a 'get out of jail' card that allows him to leave with a measure of dignity and does not compromise the club's position as an employer.  It is obvious now that the disconnect between the coaching group and the playing group is too wide to recover from and regardless of who is ultimately to blame, it is the fundamental role of the coaching group to mould the playing group it has been given into a cohesive and successful unit.  It has failed to do this and that's why the change is necessary.  The playing group must now be played and coached with next year in mind - 'who' plays and 'where' is now the most important thing - 'how' will be up to the next coaching group.

4.  Inform Bowden, Brown, Johnson and Simmonds that their time is up at season's end.  We need to make some changes to the list and this is the minimum starting point for the last crack at a relatively uncompromised draft for some years.  None of these players will benefit the team by playing on next year.  Having said that, the team this year has missed the on-field leadership of Johnson much more than many would care to admit but leadership-wise, Brown and Bowden (and to a lesser extent Simmonds) have just plain let everyone down.

5.  Not make wholesale changes to the list except to remove the older non-performing players (Pettifer and Schulz are 2 that spring to mind immediately - Polak is another depending on circumstances).  That is 7 changes already without delisting one kid.  This is the part that many (or maybe most) will probably disagree with but I don't believe our list is anywhere near as bad or fatally flawed as is suggested.  We have been in strong winning positions in all but 2 of our games this year and you just can't acheive that if you are a train wreck.  Yes, the players are not playing to the game plan and yes, some are not up to scratch, but there is a much stronger core of ability in the list than what the ladder position indicates.  I liken our current position very much to that of Hawthorn of 2004.  They had a young nucleus of a good side but didn't have all the pieces in place (right coaches, right structure) for them to be a successful side yet.  One good draft and a new coaching group later and they were off and running.  We are that close right now - I firmly believe that.

So to summarise, none of that is earth-shattering or demands a 'scorched earth' policy.  Just some sensible decisions based on research, careful deliberation and fact - just like Hawthorn and Geelong when both clubs were recently in exactly this same position.  Some of the reactions of media and supporters alike has been so hysterical to be - well - hysterically funny.

And regardless of how much it hurts today or what happens in the future, I could never ever stop supporting the club - they are far too ingrained into my psyche to let go now.

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Re: How would you Fix Richmond- Your Ideas to save a Great Club
« Reply #37 on: May 12, 2009, 05:04:37 PM »
Brilliant post smokey! :thumbsup

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Re: How would you Fix Richmond- Your Ideas to save a Great Club
« Reply #38 on: May 12, 2009, 08:16:13 PM »
Brilliant post smokey! :thumbsup

Totally agree, well done Smokey!
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Re: How would you Fix Richmond- Your Ideas to save a Great Club
« Reply #39 on: May 12, 2009, 10:51:07 PM »
some of you aint got a effing clue about Wayne Campbell & what he can give back to football. l think its the fact that he proved so many of you fools wrong being All Australian & 5 times B&F & Victorian player peeed many of you off. Whatever you say about him will never change the fact that history records show he was a respected player in Australian football & is now being considered for what he has to offer in the future in whatever role that will be.
Some of you need to give it a rest, If Jack Dyer said he was a very good player than thats enough for anyone to take notice otherwise you be insulting Jack Dyer.

Same goes with Joel Bowden, his pulling his weight this year playing well yet most of you slam him, If he plays a certain way then its the effing coaches Job & the selectors to change,  it but thats the way they ask him to play. he is playing on next year so l be enjoying it  ;D so shove that up ya asses

stuff off sunshine. Nothing you say gets around the fact Campbell ditched the dogs after a year and hurried back to the easiest meal ticket in town. He can spend the next 10 years living off blokes like you blowing yourself over his collection of wooden spoons and 9th finishes.

LMFAO at Campbells B&Fs. Even Kane Johnson won a B&F at our club.
 




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Re: How would you Fix Richmond- Your Ideas to save a Great Club
« Reply #40 on: May 12, 2009, 11:02:00 PM »
oh dear, Craig McCrae, a nothing person.
Has developed zip sorry donuts :chuck

We need "'axe murders"' at our club to change the culture.
Not fairy flosses. :banghead

The culture needs to be changed. end of story

Ah, this made me laugh. very true, very true
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Re: How would you Fix Richmond- Your Ideas to save a Great Club
« Reply #41 on: May 13, 2009, 08:50:32 AM »


eff off sunshine. Nothing you say gets around the fact Campbell ditched the dogs after a year and hurried back to the easiest meal ticket in town. He can spend the next 10 years living off blokes like you blowing yourself over his collection of wooden spoons and 9th finishes.

LMFAO at Campbells B&Fs. Even Kane Johnson won a B&F at our club.
 





There you go again bla bla bla, who cares about the Dogs. History is written you aint got a case surely your not a better judge than the Australian football selectors. get out of the past 1980.
Campbell will always be rememberd at a worthy AFL player. maybe he poured you some pee in his pub rather than pouring you a beer cause your comments are poor judgement on his acheivements.
laugh if he became coach & won a premiership but Sheeds will do the best he can

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Re: How would you Fix Richmond- Your Ideas to save a Great Club
« Reply #42 on: May 13, 2009, 10:18:49 AM »


eff off sunshine. Nothing you say gets around the fact Campbell ditched the dogs after a year and hurried back to the easiest meal ticket in town. He can spend the next 10 years living off blokes like you blowing yourself over his collection of wooden spoons and 9th finishes.

LMFAO at Campbells B&Fs. Even Kane Johnson won a B&F at our club.
 





There you go again bla bla bla, who cares about the Dogs. History is written you aint got a case surely your not a better judge than the Australian football selectors. get out of the past 1980.
Campbell will always be rememberd at a worthy AFL player. maybe he poured you some pee in his pub rather than pouring you a beer cause your comments are poor judgement on his acheivements.
laugh if he became coach & won a premiership but Sheeds will do the best he can

You said it yourself. He was, at best, a worthy AFL player in a shocking team.

I remember him as a player that was always finishing 9th. And I will never forget nor forgive last round H&A against the Demons when he was chipping it around the boundary when we needed to win to make the finals. Thats the cancer that still exists at this club- Bowden now continues Campbell's legacy.

If we want to go for a young ex-player to coach, Prescott  and Bond are well ahead of Campbell due to SIGNIFICANT coaching experience. Campbell has had one year at the caper and is already putting his hand up as if we effin OWE IT TO HIM. Story of his RFC career. We always owe him, never the other way



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Re: How would you Fix Richmond- Your Ideas to save a Great Club
« Reply #43 on: May 13, 2009, 10:30:50 AM »


eff off sunshine. Nothing you say gets around the fact Campbell ditched the dogs after a year and hurried back to the easiest meal ticket in town. He can spend the next 10 years living off blokes like you blowing yourself over his collection of wooden spoons and 9th finishes.

LMFAO at Campbells B&Fs. Even Kane Johnson won a B&F at our club.
 





There you go again bla bla bla, who cares about the Dogs. History is written you aint got a case surely your not a better judge than the Australian football selectors. get out of the past 1980.
Campbell will always be rememberd at a worthy AFL player. maybe he poured you some pee in his pub rather than pouring you a beer cause your comments are poor judgement on his acheivements.
laugh if he became coach & won a premiership but Sheeds will do the best he can

why do you bother with them TM.

Campo is one of the most unselfish players to play at our club.

He could have played to 300 games but stopped short of that because he thought he was not good enough to enter into that elite club. FACT!!

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Re: How would you Fix Richmond- Your Ideas to save a Great Club
« Reply #44 on: May 13, 2009, 12:05:18 PM »
Campo is one of the most unselfish players to play at our club.

He could have played to 300 games but stopped short of that because he thought he was not good enough to enter into that elite club. FACT!!
That one action doesn't make up for an entire career of being selfish
I'm sure it was more to so with the fact that his extended holiday to New York was the following year and he didn't want to change his plans