One-Eyed Richmond Forum
Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Moi on July 10, 2009, 07:06:34 AM
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Do you think the club is doomed to failure or is there light at the end of the tunnel?
I think if we get this coach wrong, we may as well pack up and give it away
I'm just about at the end of my tether as regards my support
If we're going to go from one debacle to the next, my respect for the club will just die
My love will still be there but how much can you put up with before you crack?
It just seems it's a one way street
Like we support them, love them, get our hearts broken every week, but get nothing in return, ie performance, professionalism,
We really need a culture change
And I'm not sure after this last week or so that Richmond people running the show is such a good thing
Not sure their support is for their own glory or for the betterment of the club
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Froars, my support for the club is unconditional but i am not criticising you for considering to withdraw yours if they fail. I believe they are going to make a decision that is sensible and well balanced this time around as the final three is chosen by an independent board. I was talking to a mate of mine and we were both wondering if we would see another flag before we died, how sad is that? My fear is that we turn into perennial losers in much the same vain as st.kilda and the doggies were for long!
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Froars, my support for the club is unconditional but i am not criticising you for considering to withdraw yours if they fail. I believe they are going to make a decision that is sensible and well balanced this time around as the final three is chosen by an independent board. I was talking to a mate of mine and we were both wondering if we would see another flag before we died, how sad is that? My fear is that we turn into perennial losers in much the same vain as st.kilda and the doggies were for long!
I don't think anyone has the right to criticise people whether they support them or not. Either you do or you don't, that's your prerogative. So thanks. I don't like seeing people putting conditions on their love either, so you either do it because you want to but don't say I'm going to withdraw my support if the club don't do what you want them to.
The RFC have given me a good run for my money, I'm not complaining. They have my unconditional love, but I'm not sure they have unconditional support financially. I would never have said that in the past, but that's how I feel now. That may mean I will miss out on the good times ahead, if we ever have them, but that's my decision "if" and when I make that decision.
I think when a diehard supporter like I have been since 1965 says enough, then something is wrong. That could be with me lol, but it might also be that others feel the same way.
I get sick of us being laughed at. I also have no respect for a playiing group that would shaft a bloke because he might have been a bit hard on them or they couldn't understand him because they're thick. I'm sick of coterie groups pretending they're the only ones who support the club and "they know best" ::) And now we have a group of former players who know better than the rest of us, and think that the board we, the supporters, put in place aren't doing a good job and they should listen to them and only them by not even considering the other candidates for coach and put in one of their mates.
Well, that's not good enough for me, and if we're going to be run by people in the background, then we deserve what we get.
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I hear you! Financial support in these tough economic times must have its kick backs and a solid, passionate performance from the playing group is a good start. One thing Richmond do give you is a high that is very high when it decides to play well enough to win, and to hear that song pumping out after a win is worth the membership alone.The thing that dissapoints me the most is that i have almost become desenstised to losing and my mates never text to rag me about losing because it has lost its impact now it happens all the time!
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I hear you! Financial support in these tough economic times must have its kick backs and a solid, passionate performance from the playing group is a good start. One thing Richmond do give you is a high that is very high when it decides to play well enough to win, and to hear that song pumping out after a win is worth the membership alone.The thing that dissapoints me the most is that i have almost become desenstised to losing and my mates never text to rag me about losing because it has lost its impact now it happens all the time!
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Its sounds like to me GR 12 you have become Comfortably numb. It is a good song to listen to after another loss.
Hello Hello is there anybody in there is perfect lyrics for the players maybe Wallace could relate
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yea there is light at the end of the tunnel,
but with the draft concessions granted to GC and west sydney its a train coming right at us
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Froars, my support for the club is unconditional but i am not criticising you for considering to withdraw yours if they fail. I believe they are going to make a decision that is sensible and well balanced this time around as the final three is chosen by an independent board. I was talking to a mate of mine and we were both wondering if we would see another flag before we died, how sad is that? My fear is that we turn into perennial losers in much the same vain as st.kilda and the doggies were for long!
I think when a diehard supporter like I have been since 1965 says enough, then something is wrong. That could be with me lol, but it might also be that others feel the same way.
I think you're dead right Froars - i've been a supporter all my life, but i'm not even old enough to have seen a Richmond premiership. My best is two finals appearances (95 and 01). My father has followed Richmond all his life as well, but had the glorious advantage of seeing them through the power years in the 60's, 70's. I think sometimes it must be harder on supporters who grew up with the Tigers as a powerhouse than it is on younger guys like me who've grown up through the mediocrity years.
One thing i am thankful for is that i can always put my hand on my heart and say i'm a true supporter - only the true fans (or mentally unstable) would stick through the years of crap we've endured. I'm just hanging for the days when we are back on top and I can wear the shirt "I was there when we were poo"
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yea there is light at the end of the tunnel,
but with the draft concessions granted to GC and west sydney its a train coming right at us
Ho Ho. ::)
Smart comment, but a very pessimistic view. At least we have a relatively young list with some potential to improve under a new coach. There are a few clubs in worse positions than us.
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Good post Foofoo :thumbsup
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I hear you! Financial support in these tough economic times must have its kick backs and a solid, passionate performance from the playing group is a good start. One thing Richmond do give you is a high that is very high when it decides to play well enough to win, and to hear that song pumping out after a win is worth the membership alone.The thing that dissapoints me the most is that i have almost become desenstised to losing and my mates never text to rag me about losing because it has lost its impact now it happens all the time!
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Its sounds like to me GR 12 you have become Comfortably numb. It is a good song to listen to after another loss.
Hello Hello is there anybody in there is perfect lyrics for the players maybe Wallace could relate
hahahahaha I listen to a part of wish you were here from Pink Floyd that I think applies to all us RFC fans
We're just two lost souls
Swimming in a fish bowl
year after year
Running over the same old ground
What have we found?
Same old fears
Wish you we're here.
In the 60's and 70's it was Us and Them hence the flags
Since 1982 to today it was Wish You We're here with our fascination with Sheeds and Comfortably Numb after another loss we knew deep down was going to happen.
Up The Khyber also aptly describes our predicament since 1982
From today onwards our pink Floyd song should be Learning to Fly
Once we've achieved that it will be Money
And then the RFC Pink Floyd song will be when the Tiger's Broke Free when we finally put the past behind us and become a consistent top 4 team with flag aspirations every year and flag successes.
We fail this time round and in a few years our Pink Floyd songs will evolve to
Crying Song
Empty Spaces
I believe there is light at the end of the tunnel. These old fogies from the 60's and 70's are hopefully going and hopefully their Bricks in the Wall are starting to crumble to allow a new younger fresher breed to build new foundations.
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I can't make that call just yet, I think this coaching appointment will say a lot about the future direction of the club
In fact the next 5 months will be massive in the history of the RFC, the coaching appointment, the ladder position/draft picks, the upcoming trade period and this years drafts picks will be more important than those of the next 3 years.
If we lose Brett Deledio, trade Foley and hire Sheedy or Ayres then we may as well shut up shop.
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I also have no respect for a playiing group that would shaft a bloke because he might have been a bit hard on them or they couldn't understand him because they're thick.
Media myth. Beat up. Didn't happen the way it was reported. (Not even close.)
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It may be hard to see now but with the majority our list under 23 with plenty of development still left in it, we are actually in a better position than most of the clubs above us on the ladder this year. Saying this though, this years draft is crucial to our future. Not our immediate future success but more so for our long term success particularly structurally.
The next 3 years of compromised drafts will affect our rebuilding less so than many other and may actually prove to be a positive when the other teams are handicapped by the draft concessions when the majority of our players moves into the 'premiership age' bracket.
We are nowhere near as bad as our win/loss ratio reads and with a new coach we will jump up next year. So there is a light at the end of the tunnel for next year and in the future too but I can understand your pessimism - I feel that way often too and wish my family had spared me all this pain and folloed another team but alas I will continue to take the pain as long as it takes.
Sad really :banghead
Stripes
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I agree with all the arguments about our list, it isnt that bad. However, as Tucky alluded to, our list has been developing for a long time and delivered little. Finances have played a huge part in the sense that the list has not been allowed to develope as much as other clubs can due to a lack of money!
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We can write off the past 5 years entirely. I dont agree with anyone that thinks a new coach will come in and coach this list to a GF.
Given the compromised drafts and our need to comprehensively rebuild, we are going to go through the same period we went through 1985-95. I'm just thankful Ablett sr aint still around to kick 14 goals against us.
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If we lose Brett Deledio, trade Foley and hire Sheedy or Ayres then we may as well shut up shop.
lose Brett Deledio - I agree
Trade Foley- why not, hes not a great kick, you could get a very nice pick for him in the first 6 or 7 picks and you could probably get Collyer in the 3rd round of the draft who plays similar type footy.
Hire Sheedy - I prefer others as well.
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If we lose Brett Deledio, trade Foley and hire Sheedy or Ayres then we may as well shut up shop.
lose Brett Deledio - I agree
Trade Foley- why not, hes not a great kick, you could get a very nice pick for him in the first 6 or 7 picks and you could probably get Collyer in the 3rd round of the draft who plays similar type footy.
Hire Sheedy - I prefer others as well.
I meant all three as a combination
If we lose Brett Deledio & Nathan Foley in one year then we lose two of our most physically developed youngsters from our midfield
That alone will set us back years while we develop replacements
If we can keep Lids, then for Pick 6 you'd have a look at the trade for Foley as it would land someone like Dustin Martin
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If we lose Deledio somehow we should fold the club
We can write off the past 5 years entirely.
Should we be getting rid of the 2004-2008 draft picks then? ::)
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If we lose Brett Deledio, trade Foley and hire Sheedy or Ayres then we may as well shut up shop.
lose Brett Deledio - I agree
Trade Foley- why not, hes not a great kick, you could get a very nice pick for him in the first 6 or 7 picks and you could probably get Collyer in the 3rd round of the draft who plays similar type footy.
Hire Sheedy - I prefer others as well.
I meant all three as a combination
If we lose Brett Deledio & Nathan Foley in one year then we lose two of our most physically developed youngsters from our midfield
That alone will set us back years while we develop replacements
If we can keep Lids, then for Pick 6 you'd have a look at the trade for Foley as it would land someone like Dustin Martin
Our teams playing style is recipe for failure. It also inbred. I think its going to be very difficult for a new coach to teach the current group a new style. In order to develop a better style we will need to get rid of as many players as we can be either trading or delisting. Out with the old, in with the new. More kids need to come in. Kids can be taught, players who have been there years probably cant. Richmond needs to be brave and trade out whatever it can. The only untouchables for me are younger type players like Richard Tambling, Brett Deledio, Trent Cotchin, Tyrone Vickery, Jay Post, Alex Rance, Luke McGuane, Andrew Collins and maybe a couple of others. Beyond that, Id be trading out the likes of Foley, Newman, Tuck, Pattison, Moore or Thursfield (1 not both) etc etc. Anyone who is over 24 yo wont be winning a Premiership with Richmond so we may as well get something in return for them and the time is now.
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If we lose Deledio somehow we should fold the club
We can write off the past 5 years entirely.
Should we be getting rid of the 2004-2008 draft picks then? ::)
absolutely correct.
MUST STAY
players like Foley should be offloaded for picks
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I feel worse about the club than I did during Save Our Skins
At least during the SOS campaign we were all working together to save the club, all with one purpose
Today we have factions everywhere but no cohesion at all anywhere
To the KBs, the coterie groups, admin, supporters, everyone, we won't have that many more chances to get it right. We keep on going the way we're going, we will just self-destruct.
Try and support the process the club is doing in appointing the next coach
It seems to be a thorough process and every candidate will be thoroughly assessed
Whether we like the choice or not, we really have to get behind the club, knowing that whoever they pick may be the last one we have.
What KB was doing was causing further divisions - putting one candidate up against all the rest, putting supporter against supporter, et al.
Talk about Eddie and him having conflicts of interest
KB is no different, using his media power to his own benefit
:banghead
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Froars, i think we attract the supporter base now that loves that bitchy, stab in the back culture :banghead Im starting to think that is becoming fashionable in some weird sense to barrack for us because we are perrennial losers >:(
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Froars, i think we attract the supporter base now that loves that bitchy, stab in the back culture :banghead Im starting to think that is becoming fashionable in some weird sense to barrack for us because we are perrennial losers >:(
Yes, it's very frustrating seeing people get so angry with everything
I don't blame them because they've put up with a lot
But we still have to think with our heads and realise that no matter how frustrated we are, infighting won't help us.
Here's a suggestion
Like they did for the 2020 summit, why doesn't Richmond have its own summit and really thrash out the issues of why we're in the position we're in.
You have supporter representatives, past players, media, web sites, present players, everyone
I don't think it's as stupid as it may sound to some people
We really are quite hopeless at being a professional club
We stumble from one mistake to another
I am proud though that the club appears to be not listening to the factions and going ahead with the coaching process as they should, each candidate heard on their merits, but we still have the stuff happening in the background that causes the infighting.
We need to solve all these problems
:gotigers
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Great idea, the only problem is we'll probably sack the chairperson half through the summit :whistle
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If we lose Deledio somehow we should fold the club
We can write off the past 5 years entirely.
Should we be getting rid of the 2004-2008 draft picks then? ::)
Do you see a premiership on the way in the next 5 years? We are better off bottoming out properly for the next 2 seasons than trying to pinch a finals series. That was Wallace's undoing.
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There's light but it's in the distance around 2012-13 before we start seeing it. By then our current cubs will be 22-26 year olds with the upcoming 3 to 4 drafts filling the 18-21 bracket. By then we won't have a huge age gap in the middle of our list nor structural deficiencies (assuming we draft more KPPs and genuine mids). This second group will have the advantage of developing in new elite facilities and training on first grade AFL size grounds which our current cubs didn't have. So hopefully their development supported by an older quality core (something again our current cubs didn't have) will be accelerated. The new coach is really just a piece of the puzzle. An important one that we need to get right but still just a piece.
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If we lose Deledio somehow we should fold the club
We can write off the past 5 years entirely.
Should we be getting rid of the 2004-2008 draft picks then? ::)
Do you see a premiership on the way in the next 5 years? We are better off bottoming out properly for the next 2 seasons than trying to pinch a finals series. That was Wallace's undoing.
In 5 years Deledio will be 27. Cotchin 25.
Rance, Reiwoldt, Vickery, Tambling, Morton, Collins etc. will be in the same age group.
I would hope a flag is a chance..
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If we lose Deledio somehow we should fold the club
We can write off the past 5 years entirely.
Should we be getting rid of the 2004-2008 draft picks then? ::)
Do you see a premiership on the way in the next 5 years? We are better off bottoming out properly for the next 2 seasons than trying to pinch a finals series. That was Wallace's undoing.
In 5 years Deledio will be 27. Cotchin 25.
Rance, Reiwoldt, Vickery, Tambling, Morton, Collins etc. will be in the same age group.
I would hope a flag is a chance..
Need to go with lots of picks this year and hope some make it, need to go with about 4 or 5 picks next year and hope some of them make it - if that happens then we may have a decent shot at it in 4 years.
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Froars, i think we attract the supporter base now that loves that bitchy, stab in the back culture :banghead Im starting to think that is becoming fashionable in some weird sense to barrack for us because we are perrennial losers >:(
Yes, it's very frustrating seeing people get so angry with everything
I don't blame them because they've put up with a lot
But we still have to think with our heads and realise that no matter how frustrated we are, infighting won't help us.
Here's a suggestion
Like they did for the 2020 summit, why doesn't Richmond have its own summit and really thrash out the issues of why we're in the position we're in.
You have supporter representatives, past players, media, web sites, present players, everyone
I don't think it's as stupid as it may sound to some people
We really are quite hopeless at being a professional club
We stumble from one mistake to another
I am proud though that the club appears to be not listening to the factions and going ahead with the coaching process as they should, each candidate heard on their merits, but we still have the stuff happening in the background that causes the infighting.
We need to solve all these problems
:gotigers
So why cant K. sheedy get a fair hearing through the process
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BECAUSE THE RFC IS ONE stuffed UP DELUDED poo HOLE
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BECAUSE THE RFC IS ONE stuffed UP DELUDED poo HOLE
Your not happy TT?
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Froars, i think we attract the supporter base now that loves that bitchy, stab in the back culture :banghead Im starting to think that is becoming fashionable in some weird sense to barrack for us because we are perrennial losers >:(
Yes, it's very frustrating seeing people get so angry with everything
I don't blame them because they've put up with a lot
But we still have to think with our heads and realise that no matter how frustrated we are, infighting won't help us.
Here's a suggestion
Like they did for the 2020 summit, why doesn't Richmond have its own summit and really thrash out the issues of why we're in the position we're in.
You have supporter representatives, past players, media, web sites, present players, everyone
I don't think it's as stupid as it may sound to some people
We really are quite hopeless at being a professional club
We stumble from one mistake to another
I am proud though that the club appears to be not listening to the factions and going ahead with the coaching process as they should, each candidate heard on their merits, but we still have the stuff happening in the background that causes the infighting.
We need to solve all these problems
:gotigers
So why cant K. sheedy get a fair hearing through the process
Who says he wasn't getting one?
March is not the only one making the decision on the coach, there are others involved
And I'm sure after all of the crap of this last week, he would have not have had a vote
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Because he pulled out, thats why! He knows he aint up to it anymore!If he thinks he is so good then he should go ahead with it anyway. Truth is Sheedy doesnt want to go through the process as he feels as though he is above it and the current process of selecting coaches is completely different to when he went for the essendon job. The process highlights his inadequacies and the enormity of the job! Sorry to upset a few,but you are all quick to say that TW was in it for the money, then why didnt sheeds come back and help out a club he purports to love when we were at our lowest financially? Because of the money, he was in it for himself; like everyone else in the coaching game!
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You can bet your life there will be a another board challenge this year
:banghead
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You can bet your life there will be a another board challenge this year
:banghead
This is scary Moi....but Im agreeing with most of your posts today. I think Gary March as President is in serious trouble.
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You can bet your life there will be a another board challenge this year
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This is scary Moi....but Im agreeing with most of your posts today. I think Gary March as President is in serious trouble.
Yes, he is
I suspect we'll have an old boys club running us next year
And no doubt they'll hate whoever we pick as coach and it will keep on going
If we get Malthouse he might be a coach they'd support - well you would hope but no guarantees :pray
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Froars - I really hope you're wrong about that one
It wouldn't surprise me if the club sent out a letter to all the candidates giving them a list of what they were expected to put together for the selection process, Sheedy saw it and thought it was all a bit much so pulled out.
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So why cant K. sheedy get a fair hearing through the process
Because he didn't have the ticker to even go through the process.
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So why cant K. sheedy get a fair hearing through the process
Because he didn't have the ticker to even go through the process.
WRONG. March let personal issues get in the way ;)
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Sheedy. No ticker. Didn't want to go through the process.
If it was as you say he wouldn't have pulled out.
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Sheedy. No ticker. Didn't want to go through the process.
If it was as you say he wouldn't have pulled out.
Marchs issues might extend back to Sheedys involvement of the recruiting Ben Cousins, We will never know.
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I cant understand all the doom and gloom.
Despite winning only one game I think the last month has been very positive and pro active.
We have played three pretty handy teams for a combined losing margin 93 pts.Not a bad result when you consider the Rawness of our team.......We had 17 players who had played less than 50 games against Carlton.
Over the last 3 weeks we have won the final quarter every time which means the boys are not dropping their heads like previous Richmond teams.Showing Character.Better to kick goals in junk time than to concede them.
My biggest concern at the moment is our lack of scoreboard pressure when we are on top... Really hurt us yesterday and in the first quarter against the saints.(not that we were any chance)
Vickery looks a good long term prospect.
Post looks like he could be the second comming of Matthew Richardson.
Tambling playing like a true pick 4
Cotchin still to do a pre season
Richo and Cuz hardly played in the same team
Plenty of quality applicants for the vacant coaching position
I may be optomistic fool but I can see plenty of light.
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Marchs issues might extend back to Sheedys involvement of the recruiting Ben Cousins, We will never know.
Now you're clutching at straws.
40 years since Armstrong walked on the moon..... or are you one of those conspiracy theorists? ;)
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WRONG. March let personal issues get in the way ;)
That's very funny
Very very funny
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WRONG. March let personal issues get in the way ;)
That's very funny
Very very funny
Its true actually.
he hasnt been happy with Sheeds after Sheeds forced there hand with Cousins. ;)
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WRONG. March let personal issues get in the way ;)
That's very funny
Very very funny
Its true actually.
he hasnt been happy with Sheeds after Sheeds forced there hand with Cousins. ;)
Cousins eh?
Er Nope ;D ;)
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Thats right.
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Thats right.
And I am saying no that's wrong :rollin
:shh
:eyebrow
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WRONG. March let personal issues get in the way ;)
That's very funny
Very very funny
Its true actually.
he hasnt been happy with Sheeds after Sheeds forced there hand with Cousins. ;)
So he was able to force the clubs hand with Cuz but was unable to use the same tactics (whatever they were) to force their hand on him.
Hmmm, strange one that. Given the stakes are higher with him, you'd think the tactics used to get Cuzzy were a practise run.
Or it could be an absurd hypothetical from a jilted lover.
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::)
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Thats right.
And I am saying no that's wrong :rollin
:shh
:eyebrow
actually you are wrong and willie is right..............again :shh ;) ;)
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Thats right.
And I am saying no that's wrong :rollin
:shh
:eyebrow
actually you are wrong and willie is right..............again :shh ;) ;)
Dont toot your horn just yet. March's preferred candidate has always been Campbell.
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Dont toot your horn just yet. March's preferred candidate has always been Campbell.
I never said anything about Campbell
What i was replying to was Jack's comment that March had some vendetta against Sheeds because of Cousins. I said that on the Cousins thing Jack is wrong.... so I don't understand how Campbell got dragged into it ;D
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Thats right.
And I am saying no that's wrong :rollin
:shh
:eyebrow
actually you are wrong and willie is right..............again :shh ;) ;)
Dont toot your horn just yet. March's preferred candidate has always been Campbell.
CORRECT. !
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I cant understand all the doom and gloom.
Despite winning only one game I think the last month has been very positive and pro active.
We have played three pretty handy teams for a combined losing margin 93 pts.Not a bad result when you consider the Rawness of our team.......We had 17 players who had played less than 50 games against Carlton.
Over the last 3 weeks we have won the final quarter every time which means the boys are not dropping their heads like previous Richmond teams.Showing Character.Better to kick goals in junk time than to concede them.
My biggest concern at the moment is our lack of scoreboard pressure when we are on top... Really hurt us yesterday and in the first quarter against the saints.(not that we were any chance)
Vickery looks a good long term prospect.
Post looks like he could be the second comming of Matthew Richardson.
Tambling playing like a true pick 4
Cotchin still to do a pre season
Richo and Cuz hardly played in the same team
Plenty of quality applicants for the vacant coaching position
I may be optomistic fool but I can see plenty of light.
Well put :thumbsup -the most sensible post i have read on this forum for a long time :clapping
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I cant understand all the doom and gloom.
Despite winning only one game I think the last month has been very positive and pro active.
We have played three pretty handy teams for a combined losing margin 93 pts.Not a bad result when you consider the Rawness of our team.......We had 17 players who had played less than 50 games against Carlton.
Over the last 3 weeks we have won the final quarter every time which means the boys are not dropping their heads like previous Richmond teams.Showing Character.Better to kick goals in junk time than to concede them.
My biggest concern at the moment is our lack of scoreboard pressure when we are on top... Really hurt us yesterday and in the first quarter against the saints.(not that we were any chance)
Vickery looks a good long term prospect.
Post looks like he could be the second comming of Matthew Richardson.
Tambling playing like a true pick 4
Cotchin still to do a pre season
Richo and Cuz hardly played in the same team
Plenty of quality applicants for the vacant coaching position
I may be optomistic fool but I can see plenty of light.
I understand where you are coming from mat073, up until this week just gone I was on the same train of thought
But just at the minute I am so sick of losing, so sick of the factions causing trouble, so sick of egomaniacs sooking becuase they aren't getting their own way (read KS) and I am just at a point where I am seriously starting not to care about this club.
And trust me for me not to care about my beloved Tigers is not a good thing....
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I understand where you are coming from mat073, up until this week just gone I was on the same train of thought
But just at the minute I am so sick of losing, so sick of the factions causing trouble, so sick of egomaniacs sooking becuase they aren't getting their own way (read KS) and I am just at a point where I am seriously starting not to care about this club.
And trust me for me not to care about my beloved Tigers is not a good thing....
WP you bleed yellow and blabk like the rest of us on here. And like the rest of us you want the pain to stop and the success to start its just that we all have different opinion on how to best get this to happen.
I, like you, am sick of having friends give it to me about how bad we are as a team and club and reading negative article after negative media report. I think this is why all the positive media surrounding Cousins and our finals chances at the start of the year was so exciting and also why we have all come crashing down so hard.
I still believe that success is just around the corner but it will have to wait until our list is mature enough and we have built a team orientated game plan. I just hope our players can fufill their potential for the first part and new coach can deliver on the latter part.
I only know you from this forum WP but I don't think their would be much that could turn you from your beloved tigers! :gotigers
Stripes
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I only know you from this forum WP but I don't think their would be much that could turn you from your beloved tigers! :gotigers
Stripes
I will always follow them and I will always be a member but I just feeling so not interested.
For the first time ever I am seriously considering whether I should just go the normal membership route in 2010 as opposed to the "premium" one I have now plus the extra 2 I have on top of the premium.
I am sure it will pass but for now I can't shake this feeling of being over it and sick of it
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I cant understand all the doom and gloom.
Despite winning only one game I think the last month has been very positive and pro active.
We have played three pretty handy teams for a combined losing margin 93 pts.Not a bad result when you consider the Rawness of our team.......We had 17 players who had played less than 50 games against Carlton.
Over the last 3 weeks we have won the final quarter every time which means the boys are not dropping their heads like previous Richmond teams.Showing Character.Better to kick goals in junk time than to concede them.
My biggest concern at the moment is our lack of scoreboard pressure when we are on top... Really hurt us yesterday and in the first quarter against the saints.(not that we were any chance)
Vickery looks a good long term prospect.
Post looks like he could be the second comming of Matthew Richardson.
Tambling playing like a true pick 4
Cotchin still to do a pre season
Richo and Cuz hardly played in the same team
Plenty of quality applicants for the vacant coaching position
I may be optomistic fool but I can see plenty of light.
:thumbsup
Still a lot of work to do and we're only halfway through the rebuilding process (there's that word again lol) on and off-field but there's plenty to be positive about. Keep the faith! :thumbsup
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I only know you from this forum WP but I don't think their would be much that could turn you from your beloved tigers! :gotigers
Stripes
I will always follow them and I will always be a member but I just feeling so not interested.
For the first time ever I am seriously considering whether I should just go the normal membership route in 2010 as opposed to the "premium" one I have now plus the extra 2 I have on top of the premium.
I am sure it will pass but for now I can't shake this feeling of being over it and sick of it
When you volunteer your time and you work hard for it to see it grow, the last thing you want to see is people who say they support the club actually try and tear it down.
I haven't done a thing for the club for nearly 10 years, but I feel that any effort I made in the past to make it a better place has just been wasted when we have such instability,
I know you've worked for the club doing bits and pieces here and there, so I know where your heart is and what it would mean to you to see people trashing the brand like we've done this year.
It hasn't stopped. If it's not people from within trying to ruin the club, it's the media never getting off our case.
I'm not sure even us playing in a grand final would make me feel any different :help
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I only know you from this forum WP but I don't think their would be much that could turn you from your beloved tigers! :gotigers
Stripes
I will always follow them and I will always be a member but I just feeling so not interested.
For the first time ever I am seriously considering whether I should just go the normal membership route in 2010 as opposed to the "premium" one I have now plus the extra 2 I have on top of the premium.
I am sure it will pass but for now I can't shake this feeling of being over it and sick of it
WP we all have all gone through a time where we are sick of what the club is doing on and off the field. It hurts.
Losing hurts, Failure hurts, Long term failure hurts, Jealousy of others hurts, Knowing what should be done and watching the opposite happen hurts. We all think we reach the end of our tether at some stage and then we realise the unconditional love we have for something and we plod along regardless. Yes the club should be held accountable for the way we feel so who do we start with Wilson and Richardson in 84 or any other subsequent Pres or who but that sweet day when we succeed will make all the pain frustration and failure all the more sweeter. The choice we have is support or don't support and we choose to support. We all have kept the faith for different reasons. :thumbsup
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Thats right.
And I am saying no that's wrong :rollin
:shh
:eyebrow
actually you are wrong and willie is right..............again :shh ;) ;)
Dont toot your horn just yet. March's preferred candidate has always been Campbell.
well well 1980 the plot thickens :shh
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We just need to keep playing and developing our current cubs with ability and continue to draft more this year and from now on in numbers to add to them. No more quick fixes trading picks away. Pick the right new coach with the new elite facilities to train in and on and the mid-to-long term future will be fine. Sounds easy lol.
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I have just seen the light about 4.43pm at the g today.
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I have just seen the light about 4.43pm at the g today.
Dont get too carried away as there is a long way to go yet, 2010 will likely be a development year as well.
While the win was great I think some will struggle to stay positive over this time.
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I have just seen the light about 4.43pm at the g today.
Dont get too carried away as there is a long way to go yet, 2010 will likely be a development year as well.
We SHOULD be up fighting for a spot in the 8.
Essendon and Carlton are both having developmental years and are in the mix for the finals.
Gibbs, Murphy, Jamison, Bower, Kreuzer are all kids, as are Pears, Hurley and Reimers
I'm glad you're gone Wallace.
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I have just seen the light about 4.43pm at the g today.
Jackstar...never thought i would say this...but i agree with you...
We had a team with very few over 27s....they all had a role..they knew their role...and they executed...
Even much maligned players like King McMahon and to a lesser extent Edwards all played their part and had a role in the win...
Yes next year will be a developmental year....but the sings are good...
I only hope that any new coach, if it isnt Jade Rawlings, keeps the sudden developlment we have had over the past 6 weeks going...
Personally i think Rawlings is going along nicely...strong firm and direct ...he has set team rules and they seem to be abiding by them...dropping Tuck for lack of defensive pressure -however unpopular-is one of them...good on Rawlings...