Is there light at the end of the tunnel?

[Ramps]

If we lose Brett Deledio, trade Foley and hire Sheedy or Ayres then we may as well shut up shop.

lose Brett Deledio - I agree
Trade Foley- why not, hes not a great kick, you could get a very nice pick for him in the first 6 or 7 picks and you could probably get Collyer in the 3rd round of the draft who plays similar type footy.
Hire Sheedy - I prefer others as well.

[Infamy]

If we lose Brett Deledio, trade Foley and hire Sheedy or Ayres then we may as well shut up shop.

lose Brett Deledio - I agree
Trade Foley- why not, hes not a great kick, you could get a very nice pick for him in the first 6 or 7 picks and you could probably get Collyer in the 3rd round of the draft who plays similar type footy.
Hire Sheedy - I prefer others as well.

I meant all three as a combination
If we lose Brett Deledio & Nathan Foley in one year then we lose two of our most physically developed youngsters from our midfield
That alone will set us back years while we develop replacements
If we can keep Lids, then for Pick 6 you'd have a look at the trade for Foley as it would land someone like Dustin Martin

[Judge Roughneck]

If we lose Deledio somehow we should fold the club

We can write off the past 5 years entirely.   

Should we be getting rid of the 2004-2008 draft picks then? 

[Ramps]

If we lose Brett Deledio, trade Foley and hire Sheedy or Ayres then we may as well shut up shop.

lose Brett Deledio - I agree
Trade Foley- why not, hes not a great kick, you could get a very nice pick for him in the first 6 or 7 picks and you could probably get Collyer in the 3rd round of the draft who plays similar type footy.
Hire Sheedy - I prefer others as well.

I meant all three as a combination
If we lose Brett Deledio & Nathan Foley in one year then we lose two of our most physically developed youngsters from our midfield
That alone will set us back years while we develop replacements
If we can keep Lids, then for Pick 6 you'd have a look at the trade for Foley as it would land someone like Dustin Martin

Our teams playing style is recipe for failure. It also inbred. I think its going to be very difficult for a new coach to teach the current group a new style. In order to develop a better style we will need to get rid of as many players as we can be either trading or delisting. Out with the old, in with the new. More kids need to come in. Kids can be taught, players who have been there years probably cant. Richmond needs to be brave and trade out whatever it can. The only untouchables for me are younger type players like Richard Tambling, Brett Deledio, Trent Cotchin, Tyrone Vickery, Jay Post, Alex Rance, Luke McGuane, Andrew Collins and maybe a couple of others. Beyond that, Id be trading out the likes of Foley, Newman, Tuck, Pattison, Moore or Thursfield (1 not both)  etc etc. Anyone who is over 24 yo wont be winning a Premiership with Richmond so we may as well get something in return for them and the time is now.

[Francois Jackson]

If we lose Deledio somehow we should fold the club

We can write off the past 5 years entirely.   

Should we be getting rid of the 2004-2008 draft picks then? 

absolutely correct.

MUST STAY

players like Foley should be offloaded for picks

[Moi]

I feel worse about the club than I did during Save Our Skins
At least during the SOS campaign we were all working together to save the club, all with one purpose
Today we have factions everywhere but no cohesion at all anywhere
To the KBs, the coterie groups, admin, supporters, everyone, we won't have that many more chances to get it right.  We keep on going the way we're going, we will just self-destruct.
Try and support the process the club is doing in appointing the next coach
It seems to be a thorough process and every candidate will be thoroughly assessed
Whether we like the choice or not, we really have to get behind the club, knowing that whoever they pick may be the last one we have.
What KB was doing was causing further divisions - putting one candidate up against all the rest, putting supporter against supporter, et al.  
Talk about Eddie and him having conflicts of interest
KB is no different, using his media power to his own benefit

 

[Go Richo 12]

Froars, i think we attract the supporter base now that loves that bitchy, stab in the back culture Im starting to think that is becoming fashionable in some weird sense to barrack for us because we are perrennial losers

[Moi]

Froars, i think we attract the supporter base now that loves that bitchy, stab in the back culture Im starting to think that is becoming fashionable in some weird sense to barrack for us because we are perrennial losers

Yes, it's very frustrating seeing people get so angry with everything
I don't blame them because they've put up with a lot
But we still have to think with our heads and realise that no matter how frustrated we are, infighting won't help us.
Here's a suggestion
Like they did for the 2020 summit, why doesn't Richmond have its own summit and really thrash out the issues of why we're in the position we're in.
You have supporter representatives, past players, media, web sites, present players, everyone
I don't think it's as stupid as it may sound to some people
We really are quite hopeless at being a professional club
We stumble from one mistake to another
I am proud though that the club appears to be not listening to the factions and going ahead with the coaching process as they should, each candidate heard on their merits, but we still have the stuff happening in the background that causes the infighting.
We need to solve all these problems
 

[Go Richo 12]

Great idea, the only problem is we'll probably sack the chairperson half through the summit

[1980]

If we lose Deledio somehow we should fold the club

We can write off the past 5 years entirely.   

Should we be getting rid of the 2004-2008 draft picks then? 

Do you see a premiership on the way in the next 5 years? We are better off bottoming out properly for the next 2 seasons than trying to pinch a finals series. That was Wallace's undoing.

[mightytiges]

There's light but it's in the distance around 2012-13 before we start seeing it. By then our current cubs will be 22-26 year olds with the upcoming 3 to 4 drafts filling the 18-21 bracket. By then we won't have a huge age gap in the middle of our list nor structural deficiencies (assuming we draft more KPPs and genuine mids). This second group will have the advantage of developing in new elite facilities and training on first grade AFL size grounds which our current cubs didn't have. So hopefully their development supported by an older quality core (something again our current cubs didn't have) will be accelerated. The new coach is really just a piece of the puzzle. An important one that we need to get right but still just a piece.

[Judge Roughneck]

If we lose Deledio somehow we should fold the club

We can write off the past 5 years entirely.   

Should we be getting rid of the 2004-2008 draft picks then? 

Do you see a premiership on the way in the next 5 years? We are better off bottoming out properly for the next 2 seasons than trying to pinch a finals series. That was Wallace's undoing.

In 5 years Deledio will be 27. Cotchin 25.

Rance, Reiwoldt, Vickery, Tambling, Morton, Collins etc.  will be in the same age group.

I would hope a flag is a chance..

[Ramps]

If we lose Deledio somehow we should fold the club

We can write off the past 5 years entirely.   

Should we be getting rid of the 2004-2008 draft picks then? 

Do you see a premiership on the way in the next 5 years? We are better off bottoming out properly for the next 2 seasons than trying to pinch a finals series. That was Wallace's undoing.

In 5 years Deledio will be 27. Cotchin 25.

Rance, Reiwoldt, Vickery, Tambling, Morton, Collins etc.  will be in the same age group.

I would hope a flag is a chance..

Need to go with lots of picks this year and hope some make it, need to go with about 4 or 5 picks next year and hope some of them make it - if that happens then we may have a decent shot at it in 4 years.

[Jackstar is back]

Froars, i think we attract the supporter base now that loves that bitchy, stab in the back culture Im starting to think that is becoming fashionable in some weird sense to barrack for us because we are perrennial losers

Yes, it's very frustrating seeing people get so angry with everything
I don't blame them because they've put up with a lot
But we still have to think with our heads and realise that no matter how frustrated we are, infighting won't help us.
Here's a suggestion
Like they did for the 2020 summit, why doesn't Richmond have its own summit and really thrash out the issues of why we're in the position we're in.
You have supporter representatives, past players, media, web sites, present players, everyone
I don't think it's as stupid as it may sound to some people
We really are quite hopeless at being a professional club
We stumble from one mistake to another
I am proud though that the club appears to be not listening to the factions and going ahead with the coaching process as they should, each candidate heard on their merits, but we still have the stuff happening in the background that causes the infighting.
We need to solve all these problems
 

So why cant K. sheedy get a fair hearing through the process

[TigerTime]

BECAUSE THE RFC IS ONE stuffed UP DELUDED poo HOLE