Is there light at the end of the tunnel?

[Moi]

Do you think the club is doomed to failure or is there light at the end of the tunnel?
I think if we get this coach wrong, we may as well pack up and give it away
I'm just about at the end of my tether as regards my support
If we're going to go from one debacle to the next, my respect for the club will just die
My love will still be there but how much can you put up with before you crack?
It just seems it's a one way street
Like we support them, love them, get our hearts broken every week, but get nothing in return, ie performance, professionalism,
We really need a culture change
And I'm not sure after this last week or so that Richmond people running the show is such a good thing
Not sure their support is for their own glory or for the betterment of the club

[Go Richo 12]

Froars, my support for the club is unconditional but i am not criticising you for considering to withdraw yours if they fail. I believe they are going to make a decision that is sensible and well balanced this time around as the final three is chosen by an independent board. I was talking to a mate of mine and we were both wondering if we would see another flag before we died, how sad is that? My fear is that we turn into perennial losers in much the same vain as st.kilda and the doggies were for long!

[Moi]

Froars, my support for the club is unconditional but i am not criticising you for considering to withdraw yours if they fail. I believe they are going to make a decision that is sensible and well balanced this time around as the final three is chosen by an independent board. I was talking to a mate of mine and we were both wondering if we would see another flag before we died, how sad is that? My fear is that we turn into perennial losers in much the same vain as st.kilda and the doggies were for long!

I don't think anyone has the right to criticise people whether they support them or not.  Either you do or you don't, that's your prerogative.  So thanks.  I don't like seeing people putting conditions on their love either, so you either do it because you want to but don't say I'm going to withdraw my support if the club don't do what you want them to.
The RFC have given me a good run for my money, I'm not complaining.  They have my unconditional love, but I'm not sure they have unconditional support financially. I would never have said that in the past, but that's how I feel now. That may mean I will miss out on the good times ahead, if we ever have them, but that's my decision "if" and when I make that decision.
I think when a diehard supporter like I have been since 1965 says enough, then something is wrong.  That could be with me lol, but it might also be that others feel the same way.
I get sick of us being laughed at.  I also have no respect for a playiing group that would shaft a bloke because he might have been a bit hard on them or they couldn't understand him because they're thick.  I'm sick of coterie groups pretending they're the only ones who support the club and "they know best"    And now we have a group of former players who know better than the rest of us, and think that the board we, the supporters, put in place aren't doing a good job and they should listen to them and only them by not even considering the other candidates for coach and put in one of their mates.
Well, that's not good enough for me, and if we're going to be run by people in the background, then we deserve what we get.

[Go Richo 12]

I hear you! Financial support in these tough economic times must have its kick backs and a solid, passionate performance from the playing group is a good start. One thing Richmond do give you is a high that is very high when it decides to play well enough to win, and to hear that song pumping out after a win is worth the membership alone.The thing that dissapoints me the most is that i have almost become desenstised to losing and my mates never text to rag me about losing because it has lost its impact now it happens all the time!

[wayne again]

I hear you! Financial support in these tough economic times must have its kick backs and a solid, passionate performance from the playing group is a good start. One thing Richmond do give you is a high that is very high when it decides to play well enough to win, and to hear that song pumping out after a win is worth the membership alone.The thing that dissapoints me the most is that i have almost become desenstised to losing and my mates never text to rag me about losing because it has lost its impact now it happens all the time!

 
Its sounds like to me GR 12 you have become Comfortably numb. It is a good song to listen to after another loss.
Hello Hello is there anybody in there is perfect lyrics for the players maybe Wallace could relate

[blaisee]

yea there is light at the end of the tunnel,

but with the draft concessions granted to GC and west sydney its a train coming right at us

[HD]

Froars, my support for the club is unconditional but i am not criticising you for considering to withdraw yours if they fail. I believe they are going to make a decision that is sensible and well balanced this time around as the final three is chosen by an independent board. I was talking to a mate of mine and we were both wondering if we would see another flag before we died, how sad is that? My fear is that we turn into perennial losers in much the same vain as st.kilda and the doggies were for long!

I think when a diehard supporter like I have been since 1965 says enough, then something is wrong.  That could be with me lol, but it might also be that others feel the same way.

I think you're dead right Froars - i've been a supporter all my life, but i'm not even old enough to have seen a Richmond premiership. My best is two finals appearances (95 and 01). My father has followed Richmond all his life as well, but had the glorious advantage of seeing them through the power years in the 60's, 70's. I think sometimes it must be harder on supporters who grew up with the Tigers as a powerhouse than it is on younger guys like me who've grown up through the mediocrity years.

One thing i am thankful for is that i can always put my hand on my heart and say i'm a true supporter - only the true fans (or mentally unstable) would stick through the years of crap we've endured. I'm just hanging for the days when we are back on top and I can wear the shirt "I was there when we were poo"

[FooffooValve]

yea there is light at the end of the tunnel,

but with the draft concessions granted to GC and west sydney its a train coming right at us

Ho Ho. 

Smart comment, but a very pessimistic view. At least we have a relatively young list with some potential to improve under a new coach. There are a few clubs in worse positions than us.

[mat073]

Good post Foofoo 

[Hellenic Tiger]

I hear you! Financial support in these tough economic times must have its kick backs and a solid, passionate performance from the playing group is a good start. One thing Richmond do give you is a high that is very high when it decides to play well enough to win, and to hear that song pumping out after a win is worth the membership alone.The thing that dissapoints me the most is that i have almost become desenstised to losing and my mates never text to rag me about losing because it has lost its impact now it happens all the time!

 
Its sounds like to me GR 12 you have become Comfortably numb. It is a good song to listen to after another loss.
Hello Hello is there anybody in there is perfect lyrics for the players maybe Wallace could relate

hahahahaha I listen to a part of wish you were here from Pink Floyd that I think applies to all us RFC fans

We're just two lost souls
Swimming in a fish bowl
year after year
Running over the same old ground
What have we found?
Same old fears
Wish you we're here.


In the 60's and 70's it was Us and Them hence the flags
Since 1982 to today it was Wish You We're here with our fascination with Sheeds and Comfortably Numb after another loss we knew deep down was going to happen.
Up The Khyber also aptly describes our predicament since 1982
From today onwards our pink Floyd song should be Learning to Fly
Once we've achieved that it will be Money
And then the RFC Pink Floyd song will be when the Tiger's Broke Free when we finally put the past behind us and become a consistent top 4 team with flag aspirations every year and flag successes.

We fail this time round and in a few years our Pink Floyd songs will evolve to

Crying Song
Empty Spaces

I believe there is light at the end of the tunnel. These old fogies from the 60's and 70's are hopefully going and hopefully their Bricks in the Wall are starting to crumble to allow a new younger fresher breed to build new foundations.

[Infamy]

I can't make that call just yet, I think this coaching appointment will say a lot about the future direction of the club
In fact the next 5 months will be massive in the history of the RFC, the coaching appointment, the ladder position/draft picks, the upcoming trade period and this years drafts picks will be more important than those of the next 3 years.

If we lose Brett Deledio, trade Foley and hire Sheedy or Ayres then we may as well shut up shop.

[Beren]

  I also have no respect for a playiing group that would shaft a bloke because he might have been a bit hard on them or they couldn't understand him because they're thick.

Media myth. Beat up. Didn't happen the way it was reported. (Not even close.)

[Stripes]

It may be hard to see now but with the majority our list under 23 with plenty of development still left in it, we are actually in a better position than most of the clubs above us on the ladder this year. Saying this though, this years draft is crucial to our future. Not our immediate future success but more so for our long term success particularly structurally.

The next 3 years of compromised drafts will affect our rebuilding less so than many other and may actually prove to be a positive when the other teams are handicapped by the draft concessions when the majority of our players moves into the 'premiership age' bracket.

We are nowhere near as bad as our win/loss ratio reads and with a new coach we will jump up next year. So there is a light at the end of the tunnel for next year and in the future too but I can understand your pessimism - I feel that way often too and wish my family had spared me all this pain and folloed another team but alas I will continue to take the pain as long as it takes.

Sad really 

Stripes

[Go Richo 12]

I agree with all the arguments about our list, it isnt that bad. However, as Tucky alluded to, our list has been developing for a long time and delivered little. Finances have played a huge part in the sense that the list has not been allowed to develope as much as other clubs can due to a lack of money!

[1980]

We can write off the past 5 years entirely. I dont agree with anyone that thinks a new coach will come in and coach this list to a GF.

Given the compromised drafts and our need to comprehensively rebuild, we are going to go through the same period we went through 1985-95. I'm just thankful Ablett sr aint still around to kick 14 goals against us.