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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on July 25, 2009, 03:32:08 PM
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Just posting it here so people don't have to wade through the Coburg thread.
They are saying "Out for months"
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Doc saying Petts' kneecap will need to be wired together.
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At least, i mean this from a human and not football point of view, it is not an ACL!
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So does this mean he will be / has to be re-signed for another year on this basis ?
I'm not being a smartbehind i'm 100% serious. ??
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So does this mean he will be re-signed for another year on this basis ?
I'm not being a smartbehind i'm 100% serious. ???
You would seriously doubt it! After signing up whilst injured last year you would surely think that an injury clause would have been inserted.
Please leave that alone Daniel and Jack, it is not an invitation to start slagging the club off again
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At least, i mean this from a human and not football point of view, it is not an ACL!
Sometimes these unusual injuries are actually worse because the specialist don't deal with them as often.
There is a wealth of experience in operations on ACLs and rehab too.
Knew a bloke who dislocated his hip playing soccer and couldn't play any sport for two years.
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It's considered a "workplace" injury by law isn't it? So the club will have to pay for his medical rehab and expenses whether he is let go or not.
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just think its amazing what happened today , considering his concerns during the week
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Richmond will keep him on the list like they do with all injured players.
They dont keep players like Bowden, Gasper, Rogers, Kellaways, Knights & many others.
They keep players like Tony Free, Ottens, Pettifer, Nathan Brown, Coughlan, Hall, Knobel, Kingsley, who give great service to the club
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Here's the clause in the CBA.....
CBA 2003-08 Pages 58-62
http://aflpa.com.au/sites/all/files/AFLPA_AFL_CBA_2003_2008_FINAL.pdf
SCHEDULE B
Minimum Terms and Conditions
11. Injury Payments
11.1 (a) Where a Player:
(i) suffers a Final Year Injury; and
(ii) makes an application to the AFL for compensation in accordance with this sub-paragraph, the AFL Club shall pay that Player 50% of the Player’s contract base payment as at the last year of the Contract.
(b) In this Agreement: “Final Year Injury”:
(i) means injury which:
(A) occurs in the last year of a Player’s contract with an AFL Club;
(B) occurs in the course of the Player’s employment as an AFL footballer, including travelling to and from training, Matches or other activities authorised by the AFL Club; and
(C) in the opinion of an independent medical practitioner, will prevent or be likely to prevent the Player from ever playing football at senior level in any competition;
(ii) does not include an injury which:
(A) is caused or contributed to by the Player’s own negligence; or
(B) in the opinion of an independent medical practitioner, is part of and principally caused by a Pre-existing Condition or Injury or a de-generation of a Pre-existing Condition or Injury.
"Pre-existing Condition or Injury" means a condition or injury that has existed for more than 24 months.
(c) An application under sub-paragraph 11.1(a) must be made within 24 months of the Player’s exit medical examination organised by the AFL Club under this Agreement.
(d) For the purposes of this paragraph 11.1, the independent medical practitioner will be:
(i) appointed by the AFL Medical Officer, following consultation with the Player, the AFLPA Medical Officer and the Player’s Medical Club Officer; and
(ii) independent of the AFL, the Player and the Player’s Club.
(e) The Player must inform the independent medical practitioner of all treating medical practitioners and must provide the independent medical practitioner with or consent to the independent medical practitioner being provided with all medical information relating to the Player, and the Player’s Club must provide to the independent medical practitioner all relevant medical information that it holds in relation to the Player.
(f) A Player may appeal a decision of an independent medical practitioner decision on clinical or medical grounds, such appeal to be heard by a second independent medical practitioner appointed by the AFL medical officer, following consultation with the Player, the AFLPA medical officer and the Club medical officer.
(g) A Player agrees that any amount he receives under this paragraph 11.1 shall be set off against any amount of compensation ordered to be paid by or agreed to be paid by the Club to the Player with respect to the injury except for payments or benefits the Player is entitled to under the provisions of this Agreement.
11.2 Where a Player is injured in the last year of the Player’s contract with an AFL Club and the last match the Player played was in a State Body competition and that Player is delisted at the conclusion of his contract and the injury will, in the opinion of the AFL Medical Officer, after consultation with the AFL Club Medical Officer, prevent or be likely to prevent a Player, having regard to his health and safety, from participation in senior football in any competition for any period of not more than two years, the Player shall be entitled to a payment for each Match missed up to a maximum of 30 matches of $500.00.
11.3 A Player, to whom paragraphs 11.1 or 11.2 apply, shall be covered for top Hospital and Medical (including Extra Care Benefits) Insurance for the period the injury continues up to a maximum period of 2 years. The cost of providing such insurance shall be included in the payment referred to in paragraphs 11.1 or 11.2, as applicable, however the Fringe Benefit Tax amount shall be borne by the AFL Club.
11.4 Except where paragraph 11.1 applies, an AFL Player who suffers an injury as a result of which he is unfit to play football in the AFL Competition, which injury is caused:
(a) by playing football in a Match; or
(b) at an official training session; or
(c) by attending an official AFL Club function; or
(d) whilst on official club duties at the direction of the AFL Club, shall, provided the Player has not caused such injury by his own negligence, be
compensated as follows:
(i) 100% of Senior Match payments at the rate for the relevant competition AFL or State Body if the Player is entitled to State Body payments] in
which the injury was suffered or at the rate for the relevant competition for the Match last played prior to the injury, for all Matches missed up to a maximum of 30 Matches provided that:
(A) an Exhibition Match shall be treated as a Senior Match for the purposes of this paragraph;
(B) if a Player plays the last match of the AFL Season for his club in the AFL Competition and is required by his Club to continue playing in the State Body Competition, the Player shall be treated as having been injured in a Senior Match in the AFL Competition;
(C) if a Player is required to play in the State Body Competition on a weekend when the player’s AFL Club is not playing a Match in the AFL Competition and the Player’s previous Match was a Senior Match in the AFL Competition, the Player shall be treated as having been injured in a Senior Match in the AFL Competition;
(ii) the obligation of the AFL Club under this sub-clause shall be subject to and conditional upon the Player using his best endeavours to rehabilitate himself and return to playing fitness as soon as possible. The obligation of the Player shall without limitation, include observing all reasonable directions of the AFL Club in relation to his rehabilitation including diet, exercise, special training and attendance for medical or pharmaceutical treatment;
(iii) any dispute as to whether an injury was suffered by a Player or is subject to the provisions of this sub-paragraph or whether a Player has used his best endeavours to rehabilitate himself shall be referred to the Grievance Tribunal who may where appropriate appoint an independent medical practitioner to provide an opinion;
(iv) a Player injured in one season and who is subsequently delisted or whose contract is otherwise terminated shall be entitled to the benefits under this sub-paragraph up to the maximum of 30 Matches as if he were not delisted or the contract otherwise terminated provided that the Player:
- was entitled to the benefit of this provision during the period of his contract;
- has, insofar as reasonably practicable, brought the existence of the injury to the attention of the AFL Club prior to the Player being delisted or his contract being otherwise terminated; and
- maintains regular consultation with the AFL Club which previously employed him and does not do anything within the period to which he is entitled to the benefits under this sub-paragraph, to prejudice any Hospital or Medical Benefits payments or entitlement to such payments;
(v) a Player who suffers an injury and who is entitled to the benefits set out in this paragraph shall, in addition to the payments under this sub- paragraph, be paid any difference between the amount recoverable under any claim from the relevant Hospital and Medical Benefits Fund and the amount actually payable for the cost of treatment provided that such treatment was first approved of by the AFL Club and such treatment was directly referable to the injury;
(vi) if, after exhausting entitlements payable under paragraph 11.4(a), a Player remains permanently disabled as defined in the AFL Insurance Policy, the Player shall be entitled to claim up to $250,000 in accordance with the AFL’s insurance policy obtained for that purpose (the terms of which policy shall be no less favourable than the terms of the AFL Insurance Policy in existence as at 1 November 2003 and shall be notified by each Club to its Players each year).
(vii) for the purposes of clarity, the rate for a Match played in the Pre-Season Competition is the same rate as is applicable to a Match played in the AFL Premiership Season;
(viii) the AFL shall ensure that Players who suffer injuries in representative matches organised by or conducted under the auspices of AFL, shall be entitled to injury payments from AFL as if such Player was injured as a Player for his AFL Club in a Senior Match; and
(ix) for the purposes of paragraph 11.4(i), where a Player is injured whilst playing a Match in a State Body competition within two weeks of returning from an injury suffered in a Match in the AFL Competition, the rate of payment under paragraph 11.4(i) shall be calculated on the applicable Senior Match payment the Player would have been entitled to receive if the injury had been suffered in a Match in the AFL Competition.
11.5 AFL and AFLPA shall explore in good faith, the concept of an industry self funded, no fault compensation scheme for Players who are injured such as to prevent or be likely to prevent them from playing Australian Football at senior level in any competition, as an alternative to the scheme set out in paragraph 11.1 and 11.4 hereof. The parties acknowledge that such a scheme may extend to the establishment of a fund in relation to claims by Players concerning career limiting injuries.
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Richmond will keep him on the list like they do with all injured players.
They dont keep players like Bowden, Gasper, Rogers, Kellaways, Knights & many others.
They keep players like Tony Free, Ottens, Pettifer, Nathan Brown, Coughlan, Hall, Knobel, Kingsley, who give great service to the club
Amazing you mention this, as I have said all along the current problems stem back to the handling of Gaspar and Chubba,thats when the rot set in.
The week that Gaspar got axed we got got beat by 141 points didnt we ????
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Amazing you mention this, as I have said all along the current problems stem back to the handling of Gaspar and Chubba,thats when the rot set in.
The week that Gaspar got axed we got got beat by 141 points didnt we ????
We've been rotten for the past 27 years.
Anyway reading that CBA, the following 3 parts seem to cover Petts' injury. So I'm presuming even if we delist him at the end of the season we still need to pay 50% of his base contract + $15,000 in match payments + the cost of top medical and hospital insurance. Does that sound right?
11.1 (a) Where a Player:
(i) suffers a Final Year Injury; and
(ii) makes an application to the AFL for compensation in accordance with this sub-paragraph,
the AFL Club shall pay that Player 50% of the Player’s contract base payment as at the last year of the Contract.
11.2 Where a Player is injured in the last year of the Player’s contract with an AFL Club and the last match the Player played was in a State Body competition and that Player is delisted at the conclusion of his contract and the injury will, in the opinion of the AFL Medical Officer, after consultation with the AFL Club Medical Officer, prevent or be likely to prevent a Player, having regard to his health and safety, from participation in senior football in any competition for any period of not more than two years, the Player shall be entitled to a payment for each Match missed up to a maximum of 30 matches of $500.00.
11.3 A Player, to whom paragraphs 11.1 or 11.2 apply, shall be covered for top Hospital and Medical (including Extra Care Benefits) Insurance for the period the injury continues up to a maximum period of 2 years. The cost of providing such insurance shall be included in the payment referred to in paragraphs 11.1 or 11.2, as applicable, however the Fringe Benefit Tax amount shall be borne by the AFL Club.
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Richmond will keep him on the list like they do with all injured players.
They dont keep players like Bowden, Gasper, Rogers, Kellaways, Knights & many others.
They keep players like Tony Free, Ottens, Pettifer, Nathan Brown, Coughlan, Hall, Knobel, Kingsley, who give great service to the club
Amazing you mention this, as I have said all along the current problems stem back to the handling of Gaspar and Chubba,thats when the rot set in.
The week that Gaspar got axed we got got beat by 141 points didnt we ????
Yep cause Gasper was shafted & left the club disgruntled after taking a paycut a few years before & showing his loyalty to the club while players like Ottens were nursed with injuries & gave nothing to the club in return & was kept by the club being payed huge $$$$ & when asked to take a paycut he threatened to go into the draft & demand he be traded. Gasper got shafted & so did many others like Rogers, Knights, Kellaways, the list goes on.
Not to mention the under the table dealings that fell through & are going to surface which will further damage the club & plunge it backwards.
The club lost its values & the youngsters of today know this & are a greedy generation & will chase the huge $$$ & loyalty will be a thing of the past
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Funny how the same people who rate Bowden also seem to believe Gaspar was shafted
This is despite the fact Gaspar was old, slow and a terrible kick down in defence while we were trying to rebuild, some could say a liability
They also seem to omit the fact that he walked out on the club because he refused to play for Coburg to earn his spot back
The fact is the only reason Gaspar was kept on the extra year was because he was the only player other player who could qualify for the veterans list, he was a free player for the year which gave us an older mature body for depth in defence
Shame people seem to omit these details when mentioning it
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funny how you say Gapser was old & slow
Thursfield & McGuane went backwards after Gasper left & that they both said Gasper was the best help they ever got becomming the players they are today
They have never got to Gaspers standard yet so whats your story to that
Oh thats right we had no-one to develope them
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Funny how the same people who rate Bowden also seem to believe Gaspar was shafted
This is despite the fact Gaspar was old, slow and a terrible kick down in defence while we were trying to rebuild, some could say a liability
They also seem to omit the fact that he walked out on the club because he refused to play for Coburg to earn his spot back
The fact is the only reason Gaspar was kept on the extra year was because he was the only player other player who could qualify for the veterans list, he was a free player for the year which gave us an older mature body for depth in defence
Shame people seem to omit these details when mentioning it
Tell you something pal.you areso far from the truth isnt not even worth replying to you, you are a complete idiot,.
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and furthermore, why dont you go and ask one of the players if you doubt me or Tigermonk.
I know EXACTLY what they would say ;)
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funny how you say Gapser was old & slow
Thursfield & McGuane went backwards after Gasper left & that they both said Gasper was the best help they ever got becomming the players they are today
They have never got to Gaspers standard yet so whats your story to that
Oh thats right we had no-one to develope them
They didn't go backwards, they just had more responsibility as our key defenders despite being teenagers
They are also a rookie pick and a 3rd round selection, not Pick 2 in the draft like Gaspar was
Don't forget they are also still young and yet to hit their peak, McGuane & Thursfield are only 22 & 23 and shouldn't be expected to hit his prime for another 2 years, however they're doing a pretty good job already despite being one of the few defensive units in the AFL that don't have an older senior defender down there to help them
and furthermore, why dont you go and ask one of the players if you doubt me or Tigermonk.
I know EXACTLY what they would say ;)
You mean the same players that have made us so crap over the past years
I couldn't give a crap what they say anyway, axing Gaspar was one of the best things this club has done
Axing Bowden is the 2nd best, shame it wasn't sooner
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funny how you say Gapser was old & slow
Thursfield & McGuane went backwards after Gasper left & that they both said Gasper was the best help they ever got becomming the players they are today
They have never got to Gaspers standard yet so whats your story to that
Oh thats right we had no-one to develope them
They didn't go backwards, they just had more responsibility as our key defenders despite being teenagers
They are also a rookie pick and a 3rd round selection, not Pick 2 in the draft like Gaspar was
Don't forget they are also still young and yet to hit their peak, McGuane & Thursfield are only 22 & 23 and shouldn't be expected to hit his prime for another 2 years, however they're doing a pretty good job already despite being one of the few defensive units in the AFL that don't have an older senior defender down there to help them
and furthermore, why dont you go and ask one of the players if you doubt me or Tigermonk.
I know EXACTLY what they would say ;)
You mean the same players that have made us so crap over the past years
I couldn't give a crap what they say anyway, axing Gaspar was one of the best things this club has done
Axing Bowden is the 2nd best, shame it wasn't sooner
Will state this.
The axing of Gaspar and Chubba ruined the culture at the club.
FACT
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You mean ruined that brilliant winning culture we had back in the 70s?
Somehow I think that went a long time ago
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You mean ruined that brilliant winning culture we had back in the 70s?
Somehow I think that went a long time ago
Look here "genuis""
How many games have we won since then ????
Lowest ratio in the AFL you might find
Let me know when we play finals will you. ;)
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Look here "genuis""
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!
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Gas was axed in 2007. We hadn't played finals in 6 years up till then and had just as bad "winning" ratio when he was playing. We had to pay him a fortune to keep him and Holland after 2001 which soaked up our TPP and forced Benny Gale into retirement and then when Gas was axed he quit because he thought he was too good for VFL.
Some here are rating B-grade senior footballers at our club as A-graders just because of their longevity at the club. No matter how many times they have let the club down onfield in big games we should keep hold of them forever. I'd rather our kids learn from Cuz the footballer than our so-called senior "A-graders".
LOL blaming an event 3 years ago for a poor culture that's almost 3 decades in the making :thatsgold.
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Gas was axed in 2007. We hadn't played finals in 6 years up till then and had just as bad "winning" ratio when he was playing. We had to pay him a fortune to keep him and Holland after 2001 which soaked up our TPP and forced Benny Gale into retirement and then when Gas was axed he quit because he thought he was too good for VFL.
Some here are rating B-grade senior footballers at our club as A-graders just because of their longevity at the club. No matter how many times they have let the club down onfield in big games we should keep hold of them forever. I'd rather our kids learn from Cuz the footballer than our so-called senior "A-graders".
LOL blaming an event 3 years ago for a poor culture that's almost 3 decades in the making :thatsgold.
You dont understand what went on with those sackings.
we have been poor ever since.
the younger players havent developed,
And the events of 3 year put as back further , as our position on the ladder now indicates
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and its a disgrace that we are second last on the ladder.
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Gas was axed in 2007. We hadn't played finals in 6 years up till then and had just as bad "winning" ratio when he was playing. We had to pay him a fortune to keep him and Holland after 2001 which soaked up our TPP and forced Benny Gale into retirement and then when Gas was axed he quit because he thought he was too good for VFL.
Some here are rating B-grade senior footballers at our club as A-graders just because of their longevity at the club. No matter how many times they have let the club down onfield in big games we should keep hold of them forever. I'd rather our kids learn from Cuz the footballer than our so-called senior "A-graders".
LOL blaming an event 3 years ago for a poor culture that's almost 3 decades in the making :thatsgold.
You dont understand what went on with those sackings.
we have been poor ever since.
the younger players havent developed,
And the events of 3 year put as back further , as our position on the ladder now indicates
So our kids havent developed because Kellaway and Gas got the boot?
Nurse :help
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Gas was axed in 2007. We hadn't played finals in 6 years up till then and had just as bad "winning" ratio when he was playing. We had to pay him a fortune to keep him and Holland after 2001 which soaked up our TPP and forced Benny Gale into retirement and then when Gas was axed he quit because he thought he was too good for VFL.
Some here are rating B-grade senior footballers at our club as A-graders just because of their longevity at the club. No matter how many times they have let the club down onfield in big games we should keep hold of them forever. I'd rather our kids learn from Cuz the footballer than our so-called senior "A-graders".
LOL blaming an event 3 years ago for a poor culture that's almost 3 decades in the making :thatsgold.
You dont understand what went on with those sackings.
we have been poor ever since.
the younger players havent developed,
And the events of 3 year put as back further , as our position on the ladder now indicates
So our kids havent developed because Kellaway and Gas got the boot?
Nurse :help
Pointless even explaining to you Froars, way beyond your intelligence levels :banghead
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Gas was axed in 2007. We hadn't played finals in 6 years up till then and had just as bad "winning" ratio when he was playing. We had to pay him a fortune to keep him and Holland after 2001 which soaked up our TPP and forced Benny Gale into retirement and then when Gas was axed he quit because he thought he was too good for VFL.
Some here are rating B-grade senior footballers at our club as A-graders just because of their longevity at the club. No matter how many times they have let the club down onfield in big games we should keep hold of them forever. I'd rather our kids learn from Cuz the footballer than our so-called senior "A-graders".
LOL blaming an event 3 years ago for a poor culture that's almost 3 decades in the making :thatsgold.
You dont understand what went on with those sackings.
we have been poor ever since.
the younger players havent developed,
And the events of 3 year put as back further , as our position on the ladder now indicates
So our kids havent developed because Kellaway and Gas got the boot?
Nurse :help
Pointless even explaining to you Froars, way beyond your intelligence levels :banghead
Try me anyhow ::)
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it's beginning to annoy me how often so called tiger fans choose to pour scorn over any of the decent players that have served us whilst conveniently ommitting the litany of broken down bums that have made Punt rd their home over the last couple of decades. this misplaced vitriol would be better served elsewhere as it generally says more about the boofhead espousing such nonsense than the intended message...Now how many AA and B&Fs did Chubba and Gas win between them ::)....that is all :clapping
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it's beginning to annoy me how often so called tiger fans choose to pour scorn over any of the decent players that have served us whilst conveniently ommitting the litany of broken down bums that have made Punt rd their home over the last couple of decades. this misplaced vitriol would be better served elsewhere as it generally says more about the boofhead espousing such nonsense than the intended message...Now how many AA and B&Fs did Chubba and Gas win between them ::)....that is all :clapping
Yes, but everyone's time comes eventually, and theirs was then IMO.
And Gas had a chance to go back to the reserves and help the development of young players, but he chose not to.
Credit to Bowden at least, he has taken his demotion like a man
But the other two, it was just their time.
No-one is having a go at their contribution to the club.
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But the other two, it was just their time.
No-one is having a go at their contribution to the club.
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oh ok froars, thought I noted some derogitary references to the performances of Gasper...a fantastic FB that rarely had more than 3g kicked on him over a 200game career, fair effort that...some boofheads must think it's easy ???
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it's beginning to annoy me how often so called tiger fans choose to pour scorn over any of the decent players that have served us whilst conveniently ommitting the litany of broken down bums that have made Punt rd their home over the last couple of decades. this misplaced vitriol would be better served elsewhere as it generally says more about the boofhead espousing such nonsense than the intended message...Now how many AA and B&Fs did Chubba and Gas win between them ::)....that is all :clapping
Both were all Australians :thumbsup
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Funny how the same people who rate Bowden also seem to believe Gaspar was shafted
I rate Bowden and don't believe Gaspar was shafted.
No idea if he actually was or not. Just my opinion.
What is funny is claiming opinion as being fact.
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Gas was axed in 2007. We hadn't played finals in 6 years up till then and had just as bad "winning" ratio when he was playing. We had to pay him a fortune to keep him and Holland after 2001 which soaked up our TPP and forced Benny Gale into retirement and then when Gas was axed he quit because he thought he was too good for VFL.
Some here are rating B-grade senior footballers at our club as A-graders just because of their longevity at the club. No matter how many times they have let the club down onfield in big games we should keep hold of them forever. I'd rather our kids learn from Cuz the footballer than our so-called senior "A-graders".
LOL blaming an event 3 years ago for a poor culture that's almost 3 decades in the making :thatsgold.
You dont understand what went on with those sackings.
we have been poor ever since.
the younger players havent developed,
And the events of 3 year put as back further , as our position on the ladder now indicates
Poor ever since? We were poor before they went too you know
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Gas was axed in 2007. We hadn't played finals in 6 years up till then and had just as bad "winning" ratio when he was playing. We had to pay him a fortune to keep him and Holland after 2001 which soaked up our TPP and forced Benny Gale into retirement and then when Gas was axed he quit because he thought he was too good for VFL.
Some here are rating B-grade senior footballers at our club as A-graders just because of their longevity at the club. No matter how many times they have let the club down onfield in big games we should keep hold of them forever. I'd rather our kids learn from Cuz the footballer than our so-called senior "A-graders".
LOL blaming an event 3 years ago for a poor culture that's almost 3 decades in the making :thatsgold.
You dont understand what went on with those sackings.
we have been poor ever since.
the younger players havent developed,
And the events of 3 year put as back further , as our position on the ladder now indicates
The previous 5 years without finals before their axing weren't poor? ???
I'm not blaming them for that either. The fact we had no ready made key defenders to replace them as they aged and slowed (chubba wasn't even a key defender but was played as one) is the reason we had to wait for our current crop. Gas and Chubba were recruited in 96/97. 10 years later we were still relying on them to be our two key defenders because in that interim period Geisch and then Spud drafted no KPPs apart from Ottens. Their time was up. In fact they went a couple years too long.
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Richmond will keep him on the list like they do with all injured players.
They dont keep players like Bowden, Gasper, Rogers, Kellaways, Knights & many others.
They keep players like Tony Free, Ottens, Pettifer, Nathan Brown, Coughlan, Hall, Knobel, Kingsley, who give great service to the club
Amazing you mention this, as I have said all along the current problems stem back to the handling of Gaspar and Chubba,thats when the rot set in.
The week that Gaspar got axed we got got beat by 141 points didnt we ????
No 157 :thumbsup
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it's beginning to annoy me how often so called tiger fans choose to pour scorn over any of the decent players that have served us whilst conveniently ommitting the litany of broken down bums that have made Punt rd their home over the last couple of decades. this misplaced vitriol would be better served elsewhere as it generally says more about the boofhead espousing such nonsense than the intended message...Now how many AA and B&Fs did Chubba and Gas win between them ::)....that is all :clapping
Yes, but everyone's time comes eventually, and theirs was then IMO.
And Gas had a chance to go back to the reserves and help the development of young players, but he chose not to.
Credit to Bowden at least, he has taken his demotion like a man
But the other two, it was just their time.
No-one is having a go at their contribution to the club.
So true! :thumbsup
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Pointless even explaining to you Froars, way beyond your intelligence levels :banghead
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Try me then, i have an IQ of 125!
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Kayne must now dread July 25. Freakily did his ACL last year and now kneeday on the same day 12 months apart :o
Pettifer injury could be end
By Howard Leigh
Sunday Herald-Sun 26 JUL 2009, Page S20
THE career of Richmond half-forward Kayne Pettifer is at the crossroads after he suffered a suspected fractured right kneecap playing for Coburg in yesterday's VFL match against the Casey Scorpions.
Pettifer's right knee gave way on the boundary line late in the third quarter and he was carried from the ground.
Pettifer, 27, who has played 113 AFL games, returned to the Coburg side for yesterday's game after being sidelined for two weeks with a sore knee.
Coburg coach Craig McRae described Pettifer's injury as ``sickening''.
"It was right in front of the crowd and he was very distressed,'' McRae said.
The Tigers coach said it was particularly upsetting after a long summer recovery program to come back from a knee reconstruction.
"He is out of contract and I don't what the future holds,'' McRae said.
He said in a strange twist of fate, Pettifer's previous knee injury was sustained 12 months to the day.
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Yes back to Kayne's kneecap which is what i thought this thread was about ::)
Happended right in front of us. We heard saw it and we heard it. Will never forget the look on the on blokes face and the agony.
Think what you will of him as a player but it was a sickening injury
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Yes back to Kayne's kneecap which is what i thought this thread was about ::)
Happended right in front of us. We heard saw it and we heard it. Will never forget the look on the on blokes face and the agony.
Think what you will of him as a player but it was a sickening injury
late night last night WP :) your mixing your words haha
yes poor Kane his career is over l'm afraid, Knee buckled with no-one near him & it just snapped & he collasped in a pile
nothing worse copping a knee injury that way as it goes so unexspectedly & all your body weight goes down & the injury creates more damage
its a very serious injury which l have only ever seen 2 times before. 1 from football on a team mate & 1 from a guy l pulled out of a car wreck late one night
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funny how you say Gapser was old & slow
Thursfield & McGuane went backwards after Gasper left & that they both said Gasper was the best help they ever got becomming the players they are today
They have never got to Gaspers standard yet so whats your story to that
Oh thats right we had no-one to develope them
They didn't go backwards, they just had more responsibility as our key defenders despite being teenagers
I can't see how they could have gone backwards. Both had played only 7 senior games before Gaspar left. Pretty sure they have both improved since then - and as 22/23 year old 50 game kids I would say there is a fair bit of improvement still to come. Let's put our faith in the new coaching team to get that development out of them, not waste our energies apportioning blame to a history we can only learn from, not change.
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I can't see how they could have gone backwards. Both had played only 7 senior games before Gaspar left. Pretty sure they have both improved since then - and as 22/23 year old 50 game kids I would say there is a fair bit of improvement still to come. Let's put our faith in the new coaching team to get that development out of them, not waste our energies apportioning blame to a history we can only learn from, not change.
The day Gasper quit the club he was told that Thursfield & McGuane were perfoming at the same standard as Gasper & that he wouldnot be getting another senior game while they were fit & playing. Both players have never shown 1/2 the quality player Gasper was & l dont think they ever will reach his standard. You ask Thursfield & he will clearly tell you himself that Gasper was a huge influence on him becoming a defender & that he has dropped off since he has left the club & that there was no-one there to develope them properly & has affected them. Vardy told me the same thing in fact Leon Cameron was the one doing most of the development drills under Frawley l know this first hand being involved
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Gasper of 07 was not the player he was in his All Australian years.
Had some ordinary days 2002 onwards......Remember the 9 goals Nietz kicked on him in 04.
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......... in fact Leon Cameron was the one doing most of the development drills under Frawley l know this first hand being involved
Doesn't enhance his coaching CV then.
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The day Gasper quit the club he was told that Thursfield & McGuane were perfoming at the same standard as Gasper & that he wouldnot be getting another senior game while they were fit & playing.
Here is a comparison of the 3 players at that time:
21 year old Thursfield's last 5 full games before his knee injury he had 46 disposals, 12 marks and 5 tackles.
20 year old McGuane's last 5 games before Gaspar retired he had 47 disposals, 17 marks and 14 tackles.
31 year old Gaspar's last 5 games he had 58 disposals, 21 marks and 11 tackles.
Statistically he wasn't having any more impact on the game than the 2 rookies and in addition he had become very slow, unable to keep up with the leading forwards. I think it was very sound decision to drop him and give the kids a try - he had nothing more to add on the senior field but he could have been a valuable mentor at Coburg. Shame his ego didn't didn't see it that way.
Actually, thinking more about it - it probably speaks volumes about the difference in the type of person he was/is compared to Joel Bowden, Mark Chaffey and Greg Tivendale.
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Good points Smokey but they shouldnot have said anything & let him play out the year & then everyone would have benefit in the longrun.
Richmond have a bad way of treating players overall
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Good points Smokey but they shouldnot have said anything & let him play out the year & then everyone would have benefit in the longrun.
Richmond have a bad way of treating players overall
That doesn't make sense, they wanted to drop him to Coburg
So you think they should have just dropped him and not explained why? or not dropped him at all becasue they didn't want to say anything?
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Good points Smokey but they shouldnot have said anything & let him play out the year & then everyone would have benefit in the longrun.
Richmond have a bad way of treating players overall
I won't disagree TM that our history of dealing with this stuff is not great but I don't know how else we could have done the Gaspar deal. Sadly, it was him that didn't handle the reality of his football age - something that the other guys handled maturely, professionally and with club spirit. Gaspar is one guy I find it hard to sympathize with.
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and furthermore, why dont you go and ask one of the players if you doubt me or Tigermonk.
I know EXACTLY what they would say ;)
And therein lies the problem jackstabber. Who gives a stuff what the players think?
Gaspar's best years were when he was up for a new contract renewal.
And dont get me started about the first game in his last season against the bulldogs when he refused to chase his direct opponent running into goal
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Last time i saw Dr Who play was v westcoast at the G.
WC supporters were laughing at him.
I wanted to kill him - just stood there in the square like a baby.
He was an expired joke.
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Funny how the same people who rate Bowden also seem to believe Gaspar was shafted
I rate Bowden and don't believe Gaspar was shafted.
No idea if he actually was or not. Just my opinion.
What is funny is claiming opinion as being fact.
LMFAO. Footy boards are for opinions. Go back to nerd school
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and furthermore, why dont you go and ask one of the players if you doubt me or Tigermonk.
I know EXACTLY what they would say ;)
And therein lies the problem jackstabber. Who gives a stuff what the players think?
Gaspar's best years were when he was up for a new contract renewal.
And dont get me started about the first game in his last season against the bulldogs when he refused to chase his direct opponent running into goal
The younger players took it pretty bad, as history now shows
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The younger players took it pretty bad, as history now shows
So True :thumbsup
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and furthermore, why dont you go and ask one of the players if you doubt me or Tigermonk.
I know EXACTLY what they would say ;)
And therein lies the problem jackstabber. Who gives a stuff what the players think?
Gaspar's best years were when he was up for a new contract renewal.
And dont get me started about the first game in his last season against the bulldogs when he refused to chase his direct opponent running into goal
The younger players took it pretty bad, as history now shows
You've been following the club long enough to know we treat these players with kids gloves when we should be setting high standards for them.
We started that year very badly and when the club decided to ride it off, there was no room for blokes that werent going to be kept on the following season. It was exactly the right message to the young ones that the club was going to back the likes of Thursfeld over AA backmen like Gaspar. Nothing burns up a young player more than being held back because of some bloke like Gaspar living off his repuatutaion and his best years well behind him.
You're effectively saying that the young ones didnt want to be handed their chance. They should follow Gaspar out the door
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and furthermore, why dont you go and ask one of the players if you doubt me or Tigermonk.
I know EXACTLY what they would say ;)
And therein lies the problem jackstabber. Who gives a stuff what the players think?
Gaspar's best years were when he was up for a new contract renewal.
And dont get me started about the first game in his last season against the bulldogs when he refused to chase his direct opponent running into goal
The younger players took it pretty bad, as history now shows
You've been following the club long enough to know we treat these players with kids gloves when we should be setting high standards for them.
We started that year very badly and when the club decided to ride it off, there was no room for blokes that werent going to be kept on the following season. It was exactly the right message to the young ones that the club was going to back the likes of Thursfeld over AA backmen like Gaspar. Nothing burns up a young player more than being held back because of some bloke like Gaspar living off his repuatutaion and his best years well behind him.
You're effectively saying that the young ones didnt want to be handed their chance. They should follow Gaspar out the door
Only tell you what I knew at the time, if you dont like it , DONT BLAME ME
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and furthermore, why dont you go and ask one of the players if you doubt me or Tigermonk.
I know EXACTLY what they would say ;)
And therein lies the problem jackstabber. Who gives a stuff what the players think?
Gaspar's best years were when he was up for a new contract renewal.
And dont get me started about the first game in his last season against the bulldogs when he refused to chase his direct opponent running into goal
The younger players took it pretty bad, as history now shows
You've been following the club long enough to know we treat these players with kids gloves when we should be setting high standards for them.
We started that year very badly and when the club decided to ride it off, there was no room for blokes that werent going to be kept on the following season. It was exactly the right message to the young ones that the club was going to back the likes of Thursfeld over AA backmen like Gaspar. Nothing burns up a young player more than being held back because of some bloke like Gaspar living off his repuatutaion and his best years well behind him.
You're effectively saying that the young ones didnt want to be handed their chance. They should follow Gaspar out the door
Only tell you what I knew at the time, if you dont like it , DONT BLAME ME
And back to my original point....
What does it say about the culture of our playing group that they didnt see it as an opportunity to seize their chance and step up into senior football but instead sooked about their mate being demoted ???
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and its a disgrace that we are second last on the ladder.
Yes, it's terrible, but as you saw yesterday, there is some hope, that the last five years hasn't been a total waste of time. The list had to be turned over and looking at them yesterday, quite a few of them will still be here in a few years time.
You wrote this 24 hours before all the positive stuff you posted last night.
Why can't you be consistent?
Reading your stuff was great to see last night, but it would be good if you had a consistent train of thought rather than hopping on and off bandwagons ::)
Worse than a woman the way you change your mind.
Hope to see more positive stuff from you :thumbsup
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And back to my original point....
What does it say about the culture of our playing group that they didnt see it as an opportunity to seize their chance and step up into senior football but instead sooked about their mate being demoted ???
Exactly.
One player I gained more respect for when he retired was Tivendale, the way he played at Coburg was a credit to him and is a great example of how a man acts when he is faced with a challenge.
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Richmond need to pull away from Coburg & create thier own VFL side. Too many Richmond listed players playing below thier level in the VFL 2nds & are losing interest
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Richmond need to pull away from Coburg & create thier own VFL side. Too many Richmond listed players playing below thier level in the VFL 2nds & are losing interest
Can we have a double VFL alignment?
Didn't the Kangaroos have both Nth Ballarat and Tassie at one stage?
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Can we have a double VFL alignment?
Didn't the Kangaroos have both Nth Ballarat and Tassie at one stage?
The Kanagaroos have partial alignments with Nth Ballarat & Werribee at the moment.
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Season ends for Pettifer
richmondfc.com.au
By Adrian Ceddia Mon 27 July, 2009
For the second successive year, a knee injury has prematurely ended Kayne Pettifer’s season.
Pettifer underwent surgery yesterday to repair a fractured knee cap, which he sustained while playing for Coburg in the VFL against Casey at Casey Fields last Saturday.
It was almost a year to the day that Pettifer had his 2008 season cut short after severely damaging the same knee while playing for Coburg. He subsequently underwent a full knee reconstruction.
The latest setback is unrelated to last year’s injury and he suffered no other structural or ligament damage to the knee. He is expected to make a full recovery.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/81494/default.aspx