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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: the_boy_jake on August 19, 2009, 11:52:52 AM
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Just a quick one to gauge the preference for the senior coaching role out of the 4 remaining candidates. Fully expect some to take the Thorpie route and keep their preference to themselves. No reasons needed as they are probably spelled out at length in other threads.
For me
1. Richardson
2. Hinkley
3. Hardwick
4. Rawlings
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1. Hinkley
2. Richardson
3. Hardwick
4. Rawlings
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1. Hinkley
2. Richardson
3. Hardwick
4. Rawlings
seconded :thumbsup
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Hinkley
Hardwick
Richo
The Blade ;D
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Richardson (just)
Hinkley
Hardwick
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1.Hardwick
2.Richardson
3.Hinkley
4.Rawlings
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1.Hinkley or Richardson (don't care which)
2.
3.Hardwick
4.Rawlings
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1/ Jackstar
2/ Tigermonk.
3/ Daniel
No 4th as the above are all capable. :thumbsup :shh ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
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1. Richardson
2. Hinkley
3. Hardwick
4. Rawlings
:gotigers
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1/ Jackstar
2/ Tigermonk.
3/ Daniel
No 4th as the above are all capable. :thumbsup :shh ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
thanx!!!!!!! :thumbsup
anyway
1/ hinkley
2/ richo
3/ sheedy ok hardwick
4/ no one, we deserve better than a coach with a girls name
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1/ Jackstar
2/ Tigermonk.
3/ Daniel
No 4th as the above are all capable. :thumbsup :shh ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
Be nice Mik ! Just walk away :whistle
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Hardwick
Hardwick
Richardson
Hinkley
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1/ Hinkley
2/ Hardwick
3/ Richardson
4/ Rawlings
Still think the Sheedy/Hird combination is better than anything any club could get but anyway...
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1. Richardson
2. Hinkley
3. Hardwick
4. Rawlings
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I really don't know enough about Hinkley, Hardwick or Richardson to make an informed judgment. On the other hand I have seen enough of Jade to know he would be my last preference.
Stripes
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1. Hinkley
2. Richardson
3. Hardwick
4. Rawlings
ditto
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I really don't know enough about Hinkley, Hardwick or Richardson to make an informed judgment. On the other hand I have seen enough of Jade to know he would be my last preference.
Stripes
Think that goes for most of us! Just perception rather than anything else.
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1. Hinkley
2. Rawlings
3. Richardson
4. Hardwick
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1/ ben cousins ( playing coach )
Got more knowledge than all four put together.
That tells you alot about the 4 applicants ::)
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1/ ben cousins ( playing coach )
Got more knowledge than all four put together.
That tells you alot about the 4 applicants ::)
ohhh great...no matter what happens, another 3 years of Jacks coach bagging coming up hot and steaming! :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
For me
Hardwick
Hinkley
Richardson
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ohhh great...no matter what happens, another 3 years of Jacks coach bagging coming up hot and steaming! :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
Definitely something to look forward to isnt it
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1/ ben cousins ( playing coach )
Got more knowledge than all four put together.
That tells you alot about the 4 applicants ::)
Jack you keep mentioning Cousins as a player coach.
Also you keep saying how Sheeds had an innovative succession plan if he were to get the job and it wasn't James Hird but someone else.
Sheeds spoke to Cousins and effectively got him to Punt Road.
I would have thought coaching was the last thing on Cuz's mind but putting 2 and 2 together (prob getting 5) did Sheedy want to groom Cousins to coach us in 2-3 years time?
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1. Hinkley
2. Richardson
3. Hardwick
4. Rawlings
My feelings exactly
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1/ ben cousins ( playing coach )
Got more knowledge than all four put together.
That tells you alot about the 4 applicants ::)
Jack you keep mentioning Cousins as a player coach.
Also you keep saying how Sheeds had an innovative succession plan if he were to get the job and it wasn't James Hird but someone else.
Sheeds spoke to Cousins and effectively got him to Punt Road.
I would have thought coaching was the last thing on Cuz's mind but putting 2 and 2 together (prob getting 5) did Sheedy want to groom Cousins to coach us in 2-3 years time?
The Ben Cousins thing was in jest.
Will say this though.
Sheeds did have a succession plan,
He offered his services to the club with a succession plan .
March told him, the he didnt want him as coach. Thus Sheeds pulled out as a candidate -FACT
Major reason being that Sheeds wanted a ""complete clean out" of the club,all board members and all senior positions.
March told him to go and jump.
It is true that Sheedy instigated-masterminded in getting Cuz to Punt Road, not Wallace.
In the current climate, I would of thought the K. Sheedy model would of been great for our football club.
Now we will get a coach that has been overlooked by other clubs, you figure that out.
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The Ben Cousins thing was in jest.
Will say this though.
Sheeds did have a succession plan,
He offered his services to the club with a succession plan .
March told him, the he didnt want him as coach. Thus Sheeds pulled out as a candidate -FACT
Major reason being that Sheeds wanted a ""complete clean out" of the club,all board members and all senior positions.
March told him to go and jump.
It is true that Sheedy instigated-masterminded in getting Cuz to Punt Road, not Wallace.
In the current climate, I would of thought the K. Sheedy model would of been great for our football club.
Now we will get a coach that has been overlooked by other clubs, you figure that out.
Fair enough.
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1/ ben cousins ( playing coach )
Got more knowledge than all four put together.
That tells you alot about the 4 applicants ::)
Jack you keep mentioning Cousins as a player coach.
Also you keep saying how Sheeds had an innovative succession plan if he were to get the job and it wasn't James Hird but someone else.
Sheeds spoke to Cousins and effectively got him to Punt Road.
I would have thought coaching was the last thing on Cuz's mind but putting 2 and 2 together (prob getting 5) did Sheedy want to groom Cousins to coach us in 2-3 years time?
Now we will get a coach that has been overlooked by other clubs, you figure that out.
Let me know what other jobs Richardson, Hinkley and Rawlings applied for to be overlooked. ??? Because if you didn't know they chose not to apply for the Kangas job. FACT. ;)
Yeah, nailed the fact and the wink and all. On fire. :rollin
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Can't really split the top 3, they all have strengths and weaknesses. Would be nice if we could get more than one of them.
4. Rawlings
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1/ ben cousins ( playing coach )
Got more knowledge than all four put together.
That tells you alot about the 4 applicants ::)
Jack you keep mentioning Cousins as a player coach.
Also you keep saying how Sheeds had an innovative succession plan if he were to get the job and it wasn't James Hird but someone else.
Sheeds spoke to Cousins and effectively got him to Punt Road.
I would have thought coaching was the last thing on Cuz's mind but putting 2 and 2 together (prob getting 5) did Sheedy want to groom Cousins to coach us in 2-3 years time?
The Ben Cousins thing was in jest.
Will say this though.
Sheeds did have a succession plan,
He offered his services to the club with a succession plan .
March told him, the he didnt want him as coach. Thus Sheeds pulled out as a candidate -FACT
Major reason being that Sheeds wanted a ""complete clean out" of the club,all board members and all senior positions.
March told him to go and jump.
It is true that Sheedy instigated-masterminded in getting Cuz to Punt Road, not Wallace.
In the current climate, I would of thought the K. Sheedy model would of been great for our football club.
Now we will get a coach that has been overlooked by other clubs, you figure that out.
JJ, Sheeds was overlooked by Melbourne for D.Bailey of all people
By your last comment you are assuming that we appoint Hardwick that we are getting someone that was overlooked by other clubs. If we appoint Hinkley or Richardson are they people that have been overlooked by other clubs...no they are not.
The same way that Sheedy and Malthouse were given a chance as untried coaches we are about to do the same to someone and you never know what we may unearth.
But what the heck these sort of FACTS don't suit your argument, and you will continue to rubbish all things Richmond because they didnt see anything in you.
I'll say it again, let it go and support the Tiges instead of carrying this bitter grudge forever and a day.
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1/ ben cousins ( playing coach )
Got more knowledge than all four put together.
That tells you alot about the 4 applicants ::)
Jack you keep mentioning Cousins as a player coach.
Also you keep saying how Sheeds had an innovative succession plan if he were to get the job and it wasn't James Hird but someone else.
Sheeds spoke to Cousins and effectively got him to Punt Road.
I would have thought coaching was the last thing on Cuz's mind but putting 2 and 2 together (prob getting 5) did Sheedy want to groom Cousins to coach us in 2-3 years time?
The Ben Cousins thing was in jest.
Will say this though.
Sheeds did have a succession plan,
He offered his services to the club with a succession plan .
March told him, the he didnt want him as coach. Thus Sheeds pulled out as a candidate -FACT
Major reason being that Sheeds wanted a ""complete clean out" of the club,all board members and all senior positions.
March told him to go and jump.
It is true that Sheedy instigated-masterminded in getting Cuz to Punt Road, not Wallace.
In the current climate, I would of thought the K. Sheedy model would of been great for our football club.
Now we will get a coach that has been overlooked by other clubs, you figure that out.
JJ, Sheeds was overlooked by Melbourne for D.Bailey of all people
By your last comment you are assuming that we appoint Hardwick that we are getting someone that was overlooked by other clubs. If we appoint Hinkley or Richardson are they people that have been overlooked by other clubs...no they are not.
The same way that Sheedy and Malthouse were given a chance as untried coaches we are about to do the same to someone and you never know what we may unearth.
But what the heck these sort of FACTS don't suit your argument, and you will continue to rubbish all things Richmond because they didnt see anything in you.
I'll say it again, let it go and support the Tiges instead of carrying this bitter grudge forever and a day.
I let it go ages ago, aint got nothing to do with me, so why you keep referring to me :banghead
I couldnt give a stuff actually.
What I will say that knowing the applicants involved, I wouldnt think success is close by.
None of the applicants have the presence to impose themselves on this club, as the problem is much more deeper, as we all know ;)
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I really don't know enough about Hinkley, Hardwick or Richardson to make an informed judgment. On the other hand I have seen enough of Jade to know he would be my last preference.
Stripes
Actually you make a good point there Stripes and with that in mind and using that criteria I stick to what I've believed all along
1. Rawlings
2. Richardson
3. Hinkley (and yes I have watched the video speech)
4. Hardwick
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I really don't know enough about Hinkley, Hardwick or Richardson to make an informed judgment. On the other hand I have seen enough of Jade to know he would be my last preference.
Stripes
Actually you make a good point there Stripes and with that in mind and using that criteria I stick to what I've believed all along
1. Rawlings
2. Richardson
3. Hinkley (and yes I have watched the video speech)
4. Hardwick
Rawlings is a huge NO for alot of supporters and I agree with them.
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Rawlings is a huge NO for alot of supporters and I agree with them.
Ramps,
I have absolutely no problem with that and I know that there are very few (if any) people on this forum who share my view and that's fine. :thumbsup
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Can't really split the top 3, they all have strengths and weaknesses. Would be nice if we could get more than one of them.
Yeah, good answer.
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1. Hardwick or Hinkley I don't care who, they will both do it tough.
2. Rawlings or Richardson If we don't pick one of the top 2 then it really doesn't matter who out of these two that we pick. They of course will do it tough but alot tougher in my opinion than the first two.
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Hardwick or Hinkley there is no 3rd or 4th.
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It seems that Hardwick has been 'on the nose' with a lot of posters lately, by that I mean last 2 days, I wonder why that is.
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Without witnessing the interviews it's hard to judge each applicant other than basing it on their past record as player and more importantly coach.
Hinkley
Pros:
Playing record: Played in 2 or 3 of Blight's Geelong runner-up sides after let go by Fitzroy. Finished 3rd in 1992 Brownlow.
Coached own side at lower levels: 3 Flags as senior coach in Hampden and Geelong leagues.
Been an Assistant coach: 7 years - St Kilda under Blight (2000) + Geelong under Thompson (2004-9) including 2007 flag. Was at Geelong end of 2006 when they had that "club culture review".
Cons:
Lesser profile than the others although well respected.
Hardwick
Pros:
Playing record: Dual premiership at Essendon under Sheeds and Port under Williams after being let go by Pagan at North. A reputation onfield of being hard, tough and ruthless. Current players would be more familiar with his playing days than the others since he retired only 5 years ago.
Been an Assistant coach: 5 years - Hawthorn under Clarkson (2004-9) including 2008 flag. Was at Hawthorn for their second rebuild (similar to us now where we have plenty of youth that needs to be developed while cutting the deadwood).
Cons:
Never coached a side/club in his own right.
Has missed out on two jobs he's applied for previously (three if you believe North's spin).
Richardson
Pros:
Coached his own side at lower levels: East Burwood (EDFL) and Coburg (VFL). Two flags with East Burwood (1999-2000).
Been an Assistant/development coach: Bulldogs, Collingwood under Malthouse and now Essendon under Knighter.
Cons:
Unlike Hinkley and Hardwick hasn't yet experienced an AFL flag as player or as assistant coach. Missed out on the Pies 1990 flag.
Rawlings
Pros:
Coached his own side: Richmond (as caretaker) and Coburg (VFL).
Been an AFL Assistant coach: Richmond under Wallace.
Would know the current RFC players first hand. Strengths and weaknesses in detail.
Cons:
Never experienced an AFL flag as a player or coach.
Less experienced than the other three.
Caretaker role has gone downhill big time in the last 3 weeks since a promising start.
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Richardson
Cons:
Unlike Hinkley and Hardwick hasn't yet experienced an AFL flag as player or as assistant coach. Missed out on the Pies 1990 flag.
MT, do you think there is a significant difference between winning an AFL flag and being ruled out of the eventual GF winning team that you've been a part of all season on GF eve? Does it give you more or less motivation to win one as a coach?
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Rawlings is a huge NO for alot of supporters and I agree with them.
Ramps,
I have absolutely no problem with that and I know that there are very few (if any) people on this forum who share my view and that's fine. :thumbsup
Its not personal, in many ways it would have been good for Jade to get it, but if he takes this job that will be the end of his coaching career. The members, supporters, the coteries will go after him when it starts to go bad, at 31 years of age, he has plenty infront of him, Im sure he will get his chance, but he is going to be better off in the long run if we dont burn him now and not giving him a job that is probably to hard for 99% of coaches out there.
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Dean Laidley STILL REMAINS THE BEST candidate, after Kevin Sheedy. There is no one in the "process list" that rates above him/them.
Good luck RFC. Monumental mistakes have already been made. Sheedy would have transformed the club.
It's just my opinion. I hope i am wrong. I just wish to see RFC become a formidable force.
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hinkley all the way, and it has nothing to do with that video!
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hinkley all the way, and it has nothing to do with that video!
What are you trying to tell us TT??
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Sheeds did have a succession plan,
He offered his services to the club with a succession plan .
March told him, the he didnt want him as coach. Thus Sheeds pulled out as a candidate -FACT
Major reason being that Sheeds wanted a ""complete clean out" of the club,all board members and all senior positions.
March told him to go and jump.
Have to say Jack that based on what you've written above Sheeds didn't deserve to be coach and I would have told him to go jump as well....
No perspective coach no matter who they are has the right to dictate a "complete cleanout"... sadly it sounds like a "jobs for the boys scenario" which is exactly what we don't need
Again based on what you've written I think one K Sheedy shot himself in the foot...
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Sheeds did have a succession plan,
He offered his services to the club with a succession plan .
March told him, the he didnt want him as coach. Thus Sheeds pulled out as a candidate -FACT
Major reason being that Sheeds wanted a ""complete clean out" of the club,all board members and all senior positions.
March told him to go and jump.
Have to say Jack that based on what you've written above Sheeds didn't deserve to be coach and I would have told him to go jump as well....
No perspective coach no matter who they are has the right to dictate a "complete cleanout"... sadly it sounds like a "jobs for the boys scenario" which is exactly what we don't need
Again based on what you've written I think one K Sheedy shot himself in the foot...
Why would any coach put up with an interfering board, I actually dont blame Kevin, you see, thats the problem down at RFC, way too many know it alls, now we have CC ::) and RM ::)
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Why would any coach put up with an interfering board, I actually dont blame Kevin, you see, thats the problem down at RFC, way too many know it alls, now we have CC ::) and RM ::)
Jakc there is a massive difference between the board interfering and some bloke who wants to be coach saying everyone in a senior position must exit the building.
No coach no matter who they are and what there record is has the right to demand/dictate those sort of changes
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Why would any coach put up with an interfering board, I actually dont blame Kevin, you see, thats the problem down at RFC, way too many know it alls, now we have CC ::) and RM ::)
Jakc there is a massive difference between the board interfering and some bloke who wants to be coach saying everyone in a senior position must exit the building.
No coach no matter who they are and what there record is has the right to demand/dictate those sort of changes
In Richmonds case, I would say yes.
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Why would any coach put up with an interfering board, I actually dont blame Kevin, you see, thats the problem down at RFC, way too many know it alls, now we have CC ::) and RM ::)
Jakc there is a massive difference between the board interfering and some bloke who wants to be coach saying everyone in a senior position must exit the building.
No coach no matter who they are and what there record is has the right to demand/dictate those sort of changes
In Richmonds case, I would say yes.
Really? Your telling me that the last 25 years hasn't highlighted to you the fact that the senior coach shouldn't run the club?
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Why would any coach put up with an interfering board, I actually dont blame Kevin, you see, thats the problem down at RFC, way too many know it alls, now we have CC ::) and RM ::)
Jakc there is a massive difference between the board interfering and some bloke who wants to be coach saying everyone in a senior position must exit the building.
No coach no matter who they are and what there record is has the right to demand/dictate those sort of changes
In Richmonds case, I would say yes.
Really? Your telling me that the last 25 years hasn't highlighted to you the fact that the senior coach shouldn't run the club?
No in this instance we needed to do things different, we will just have a revolving door at Punt Rd where we keep turning over coaches ?? Now Infamy, why would that be ??
YOU TELL ME !
And furthmore the media just write articles and the supporters or should I say nuffers go along with it.
Might add that these candidates have there mates in the press "'pushing there barrow"" for them, as was the case with Walllace.
Would anyone on here actually know if Richardson is a good coach or Hardwick has any idea ?? Really.
My knowledge of Richardson is this, his time at coburg, he wasnt as hard as he should of been with the playing group.
Hopefully he would of learnt.
As for Hardwick being a tough player, doesnt translate to him being a tough coach ::), oh perception is a funny thing
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Richardson
Cons:
Unlike Hinkley and Hardwick hasn't yet experienced an AFL flag as player or as assistant coach. Missed out on the Pies 1990 flag.
MT, do you think there is a significant difference between winning an AFL flag and being ruled out of the eventual GF winning team that you've been a part of all season on GF eve? Does it give you more or less motivation to win one as a coach?
Well deep down it shouldn't Jake. Hafey never was part of a VFL premiership for instance before getting the Tiger gig but like Richardson won flags as coach at lower levels. I only considered it an issue as most (although not all) modern AFL premiership coaches over the past 30 years have experienced an AFL flag as an assistant coach or player prior to achieving one as senior coach.
Won an AFL flag as coach or player: Thompson, Worsfold, Matthews, Sheedy, Blight, Parkin, Malthouse, Jeans, Joyce, Walls, Jewell, Jezza
Didn't win one before becoming senior coach: Clarkson (assistant at Port in 2004 but had to step down just before they won the flag), Roos, Williams, Pagan
Out of the ones who hadn't experienced an AFL flag only Roos and Williams never coached a flag at a lower level either to my knowledge. Williams won 4 SANFL flags as a player.
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Well deep down it shouldn't Jake. Hafey never was part of a VFL premiership for instance before getting the Tiger gig but like Richardson won flags as coach at lower levels. I only considered it an issue as most (although not all) modern AFL premiership coaches over the past 30 years have experienced an AFL flag as an assistant coach or player prior to achieving one as senior coach.
Won an AFL flag as coach or player: Thompson, Worsfold, Matthews, Sheedy, Blight, Parkin, Malthouse, Jeans, Joyce, Walls, Jewell, Jezza
Didn't win one before becoming senior coach: Clarkson (assistant at Port in 2004 but had to step down just before they won the flag), Roos, Williams, Pagan
Out of the ones who hadn't experienced an AFL flag only Roos and Williams never coached a flag at a lower level either to my knowledge. Williams won 4 SANFL flags as a player.
MT I'm not debating whether or not the premiership player thing is a valid measuring stick (I happen to think not, but that is not the point).
Rather, I am saying that someone who missed out on a GF on GF eve knows just as much what it takes as someone who played one the day. Winning a GF is a season long effort.
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Rather, I am saying that someone who missed out on a GF on GF eve knows just as much what it takes as someone who played one the day. Winning a GF is a season long effort.
Interesting question. I agree winning a premiership is a season long effort (even far longer given clubs now take 7, 8 even 9 years to rebuild up to one - Hawks, Cats and Saints started rebuilding around 1999-2001) but I think as a player you would feel you have missed out if you aren't on the ground on the big day paying the price for the ultimate award. As for how it would affect you as a future coach it probably doesn't matter. You've still seen from close up in the inner sanctrum what winning a flag involves for a footy club as a whole. I guess the only thing you miss out on as coach is the ability to pass onto your players what playing in a GF is like.
What Allan Richardson would've seen first hand at Collingwood is their 1990 flag was built upon their 1986 U19s flag. That is talented youth came through the ranks together and combined with quality older players who survived the mess and pain of the early-mid 80s plus some handy interstate imports and of course a top coach who could jell them into a unit they won that elusive flag in spite of the mental colliwobbles.