Richmond desperately needs an elite tall forward (Age)

[big tone]

in many ways the article is correct.
we are screaming out for not one but two tall fwds.  one like gunston  one like cloke. our trouble is the numbers we have in this area dont look likely.

i reckon where we go wrong is we have blokes like vickery griffiths, elton mcbean and none of em look like quality kpps. i keep on saying it. forget about the numbers of each type and actually figure out what we likely have.
vickery griffiths , mcbean. we are way behind the 8 ball befroe we even start with these three if we are chasing kpfs. i ask again how many 200cm players heve ever become accomplished key fwds. funny i for one have been saying exactly what that article goes on about even when we won 15 games.
our trouble is we have holes everywhere so kpfs is not the only criteria type we need.  but i for one would like to see the talls take precedence over the mids.  and there are some very strong and good reasons why you should do this.
durdin or mccartin at pick 3 or 4. if we found a way to snare say pick 10 or 12  i would seriously look at lamb on top.
there is every chance decent mids will be available from pick 20 onwards as they are in every draft,

Do you think that McBean could be that 'Gunston' type?
I know he is taller but is very, very agile. I know he is skinny still but should just run and not try and get into wrestles with opposition opponents. Seems really smart from the few times I have seen him play, which is what Gunston is.
Wouldn't need to get 30 kicks or take 10 contested marks but could chime in with 2 or 3 goals roaming around and getting on the lead. IMO should play him ASAP to give him a taste for what is required at the level.
Could only leave the big bodied forward we desperately need.
Get Garlett and the forward line is looking a whole lot more dangerous. (Give them Griffiths)
Throw in Chip Frawley and Mundy  through FA and draft that KPF with our first pick we need and we are one our way.

tone my gut feel is most blokes over 197cm lose their speed and agility or at the best come back to the pack at afl level. reckon beaner needs to drastically bulk up to have a consistent impact at afl level. what happens when he gets up to size.  does the pace and agility go .

for  mcbean i see three potential roles for him.  none of em depend  on him being super agile or super quick. they all need him to bulk and improve in the air.
my preference for him is at chb. i have my own reasons for this but wont go into them. i think dustin fletcher when i think of liam.

he could play kpf but i have real concerns about his aerial work or more to the point marking prowess.  i dont see his agility and pace being a real advantage at afl level not up against the quick tall 195cm and under kpds..

the club seem to think he will become a ruckman they could be right im not so sure. if he is a future ruckman it will be more a david hale which should not be sneezed at i suppose. where does that leave our tall fwd situation though.

lets address the need . lets address the need not in half measures but full on if need be. you know if we end up with too many tall fwds just look at what clubs are prepared to pay for them with a bit of development behind them.

also i agree give this kid some game asap. they should also be getting games into elton as a priority they must have some real concerns over vickery and griffiths and surely they can see the possible need to cut em or move em on.

I know it maybe wishfull thinking but I'm hoping he turns out like Dean Cox. At his best he was an extra midfielder with his agility and running capacity.. His marking and kicking (on both sides of his body) also were like no other big man I've seen in my time.
Just looked up images of a young Dean Cox and his body shape is almost identical to that of McBean now.
Fingers crossed that FJ has got one right.   

[The Big Richo]

Vickery will be a very good player in time.

..in time for what? The 2025 E.J. Whitten Legends match?

Vickery will be a very good player in time.

Absolutely.

Vickery will be a very good player in time.

as if

Absolutely he will.

He is 24 and has played 83 games, and injury hit years aside, is tracking nicely.

Big blokes take longer to find their best and he has shown enough to say his best years will be very good.

Yes he has had a poor season this year but Wayne Carey would have struggled up front of the sort of ball movement exhibited this year.

[Diocletian]

He's not a natural forward. He should be played as a either a roving ruckman in the Jim Stynes mould or on the wing ala Richo 2008. Brief rests in the goal square at the most. He's a runner with agility and good skills in traffic, he needs to be where the action is and creating the play - waiting around for delivery and worrying about timing runs, creating leads, where to stand and trying to read the incoming play just doesn't suit him, the less thinking time he has, the better. Having said all that I just don't think he has enough desire to make it.

[Tigers of Old]

I hope we are after Patton. Be a great mix with Jack.

[Darth Tiger]

IMHO, surely current priority and structural need has to be midfield depth with at least another 3 A grade mifielders required. Clubs generally only get A grade midfielders in the top 10 picks.

RFC has 1 - Cotchin, with Martin developing towards A grade as he can genuinely turn a game - consistency & engine is his current playing weakness.

Critically Deledio is not genuine A grade. Honest player, hard runner with good skills & doesn't get enough chop out assistance but is really a solid B.

RFC needs a KPF that will compete first and foremost to create ground ball opportunities and space for an A grade midfield to contribute goals, so the secondary KPF needs to be a role player not superstar. RFC has not had that secondary KF role player that can contribute 40+ goals.

Junk Time Jack - well he is Jack and picks & chooses when he goes and has never really stood up in a big game when it has really counted. Mentioning that his game style has never really fitted with Dimma's game plan.

[Chuck17]

Maybe he doesn't stand up because when it is time to stand up our midfield is getting belted and the ball is in our defense

[unplugged]

Here is a basic formula for being a successful football club.

Defensive 50's  (Quantity x Conversion Rate) = Score Against
Inside 50s  (Quantity x Conversion Rate) = Score For

Winning is when Score for is greater than Score against.

What we recruit really has to depend on which area can have the greatest impact on the above formula.

Currently we have one quality tall in the forward line and no quality smalls.  The quantity of ball coming in isn't too bad, the quality of delivery/movement is poor and the conversion rate is very poor.

Game plan aside, a quality tall would make the biggest difference to our Inside 50s Conversion Rate and have greatest impact on our list at the moment.  This has to be priority!

Secondary, we need a quality running forward (not small forward, quick marking forward), small defender (not small player but quick player who can play on small forward), running defender (quick with elite skills), tall defender (able to stand in a hole), couple of good outside midfielders (quick with good skills) and a developing ruck man (no bean stalks, no lumbering giants, mobile with mans body).

We need all of those players in the next draft so we need to be aggressive and be willing to trade anyone and everyone to get the job done.  Preferably we need to get rid of as many of those medium tier duds that we have as possible.  First tier, Edwards, Houli, Grigg, Vickery and Co.  2nd tier, Ellis, Conca, Jackson and Co.

[Chuck17]

Here is a basic formula for being a successful football club.

Defensive 50's  (Quantity x Conversion Rate) = Score Against
Inside 50s  (Quantity x Conversion Rate) = Score For

Winning is when Score for is greater than Score against.

What we recruit really has to depend on which area can have the greatest impact on the above formula.

Currently we have one quality tall in the forward line and no quality smalls.  The quantity of ball coming in isn't too bad, the quality of delivery/movement is poor and the conversion rate is very poor.

Game plan aside, a quality tall would make the biggest difference to our Inside 50s Conversion Rate and have greatest impact on our list at the moment.  This has to be priority!

Secondary, we need a quality running forward (not small forward, quick marking forward), small defender (not small player but quick player who can play on small forward), running defender (quick with elite skills), tall defender (able to stand in a hole), couple of good outside midfielders (quick with good skills) and a developing ruck man (no bean stalks, no lumbering giants, mobile with mans body).

We need all of those players in the next draft so we need to be aggressive and be willing to trade anyone and everyone to get the job done.  Preferably we need to get rid of as many of those medium tier duds that we have as possible.  First tier, Edwards, Houli, Grigg, Vickery and Co.  2nd tier, Ellis, Conca, Jackson and Co.

Who are the "and Co" you are referring to?

[Diocletian]

Was a typo Shaun17, he meant to write "unco".....

[the claw]

Here is a basic formula for being a successful football club.

Defensive 50's  (Quantity x Conversion Rate) = Score Against
Inside 50s  (Quantity x Conversion Rate) = Score For

Winning is when Score for is greater than Score against.

What we recruit really has to depend on which area can have the greatest impact on the above formula.

Currently we have one quality tall in the forward line and no quality smalls.  The quantity of ball coming in isn't too bad, the quality of delivery/movement is poor and the conversion rate is very poor.

Game plan aside, a quality tall would make the biggest difference to our Inside 50s Conversion Rate and have greatest impact on our list at the moment.  This has to be priority!

Secondary, we need a quality running forward (not small forward, quick marking forward), small defender (not small player but quick player who can play on small forward), running defender (quick with elite skills), tall defender (able to stand in a hole), couple of good outside midfielders (quick with good skills) and a developing ruck man (no bean stalks, no lumbering giants, mobile with mans body).

We need all of those players in the next draft so we need to be aggressive and be willing to trade anyone and everyone to get the job done.  Preferably we need to get rid of as many of those medium tier duds that we have as possible.  First tier, Edwards, Houli, Grigg, Vickery and Co.  2nd tier, Ellis, Conca, Jackson and Co.

pretty much agree with all that.  reckon we have a need for a big bodied contested ball winning mid with pace and decent skills as well.. havent looked but compared to most other sides id say we are down a little in this area. wehave a reliance on deficient players like thomas in this area.
 the most glaring weakness of our side has always been skills and the resultant turn overs so many glass half full players..another is the wrong types performing roles  they arent really suited to.
i also think we have great need to draft a young big bodied kpd. i say this with an eye on 2 or 3 yrs down the track.

imo we cant address all our needs in one go. we need to embrace or go back to a development mode for a few yrs with the win loss column not as important as getting the list right.

[Chuck17]

Was a typo Shaun17, he meant to write "unco".....

Ahhhh that makes sense, he should have included Hampson then because he is the biggest unco I have seen for quite a while