Cotchin believes Tigers have matured & can end 12-year finals drought [merged]

[Coach]

The team has come a long way from the worst since Fitzroy to a finals  contender in just 3 years!  All this with GC and GWS pinching all the best players!
Kudos to Hardwick.

And Campbell and Lade and Leppitsch and Jackson and Cameron and quite a few others with less public faces.  It's not a one man show.   

I'd take out Cameron and include Hartley to those names.
.... Just saying.

So just so I understand. The Gen Mgr of Football, that is the bloke who is in charge of the entire Footy Dept had absolutely no input into the hiring of any member of the dept he runs? Hartley, William etc?

If he didn't then who did ? And please don't say Benny Gale because that is incorrect as Benny himself will tell you 

Get with the program Billy.

When good football dept decisions are made, Cameron has nothing to do with it.

When poor football Dept decisions are made Cameron has done it all on his own.

I think it's quite the opposite. Most of us will acknowledge that Cameron has been involved in some decent appointments but certain people refuse to acknowledge how poorly Cameron did at Melbourne and how bad some of his recruits have been. But they're not his recruits because "Cameron never makes a decision by himself".

[mightytiges]

The test for the team's maturity is going to be if they can handle the pressure of expectation and back up all the talk on the park. It's something Richmond teams of recent decades have failed miserably at. No doubt the Richmond haters in the media will be turning up in round 1 waiting to bag us if we play poorly so they can scream same old Tigers and write-off our whole year . A sign of added maturity would be the team treating round 1 no differently to the other 21 and not getting sucked in to over-hyping of it by outside factors. I'd prefer us now to just shut up, keep our heads down training hard and just let our footy do the talking over the whole season.   

[WilliamPowell]

The team has come a long way from the worst since Fitzroy to a finals  contender in just 3 years!  All this with GC and GWS pinching all the best players!
Kudos to Hardwick.

And Campbell and Lade and Leppitsch and Jackson and Cameron and quite a few others with less public faces.  It's not a one man show.   

I'd take out Cameron and include Hartley to those names.
.... Just saying.

So just so I understand. The Gen Mgr of Football, that is the bloke who is in charge of the entire Footy Dept had absolutely no input into the hiring of any member of the dept he runs? Hartley, William etc?

If he didn't then who did ? And please don't say Benny Gale because that is incorrect as Benny himself will tell you 

Get with the program Billy.

When good football dept decisions are made, Cameron has nothing to do with it.

When poor football Dept decisions are made Cameron has done it all on his own.

I think it's quite the opposite. Most of us will acknowledge that Cameron has been involved in some decent appointments but certain people refuse to acknowledge how poorly Cameron did at Melbourne and how bad some of his recruits have been. But they're not his recruits because "Cameron never makes a decision by himself".

What Cameron did or didn't do at Melbourne is not relevant to what's happening and what has happened at the RFC.

Not disputing Cameron's made some errors in his time at the RFC but to not give him credit for some of the positives that have happened in the last couple of seasons is foolish at best

[Coach]

Can't give a guy any credit when he apparently doesn't make decisions without someone holding his hand. People need to make up their minds. Is he responsible for Hartley and whoever else is on the staff? Does that also mean he was not successful in getting Dean Bailey () and Neil Craig? Does that also mean he was a big part of recruiting Thomson, AMaric, Petterd, Miller etc? Or were those decisions the ones where "he was just one of many involved"?

Personally I reckon he's poo at his job. The bloke signed up because Greg Miller thought he had something to offer. Then he had secret meetings with Pahoff

[Tigeritis™©®]

The team has come a long way from the worst since Fitzroy to a finals  contender in just 3 years!  All this with GC and GWS pinching all the best players!
Kudos to Hardwick.

And Campbell and Lade and Leppitsch and Jackson and Cameron and quite a few others with less public faces.  It's not a one man show.   

I'd take out Cameron and include Hartley to those names.
.... Just saying.

So just so I understand. The Gen Mgr of Football, that is the bloke who is in charge of the entire Footy Dept had absolutely no input into the hiring of any member of the dept he runs? Hartley, William etc?

If he didn't then who did ? And please don't say Benny Gale because that is incorrect as Benny himself will tell you 

Hardwick has connections at Port. Both Hartley and Williams were from Port and he obviously knew what they are capable of. It's obvious to me who had the greatest hand in wanting these blokes at the club, probably gave Cam their numbers from his iPhone.
..... Next question.

[WilliamPowell]

Can't give a guy any credit when he apparently doesn't make decisions without someone holding his hand. People need to make up their minds. Is he responsible for Hartley and whoever else is on the staff? Does that also mean he was not successful in getting Dean Bailey () and Neil Craig? Does that also mean he was a big part of recruiting Thomson, AMaric, Petterd, Miller etc? Or were those decisions the ones where "he was just one of many involved"?

Personally I reckon he's poo at his job. The bloke signed up because Greg Miller thought he had something to offer. Then he had secret meetings with Pahoff

Neil Craig? Seeing Bailey only joined Melb last season I think it is fair to say CC had no involvement in that at all  As for Bailey, considering CC's job at Melb was very different to the one he holds at the RFC; he was in recruting and list management I think itv is reasonable to say he had involvement in that either.

As for recruiting, yeah as head of Football then he would have some involvement there. But seeing Opposition List Analysis is the primary focus of Blair Hartley, I reckon it's fair to say that Hartley would have had a fairsay in bringing Miller, Petterd & Mini Maric to the RFC 

Amazing isn't it how things work

Hardwick has connections at Port. Both Hartley and Williams were from Port and he obviously knew what they are capable of. It's obvious to me who had the greatest hand in wanting these blokes at the club, probably gave Cam their numbers from his iPhone.
..... Next question.

So it's all because of Dimma Williams & Hartley are at the RFC? What about Greg Mellor? Tim Clarke in development? Anyone else solely Dimma appointments or only the ones you don't like

  Forrest, trees = doesn't suit your argument 

But if its what you want to believe = your choice

Will say it again "Not disputing Cameron's made some errors in his time at the RFC but to not give him credit for some of the positives that have happened in the last couple of seasons is foolish at best" and can I add not realistic either

[Coach]

Can't give a guy any credit when he apparently doesn't make decisions without someone holding his hand. People need to make up their minds. Is he responsible for Hartley and whoever else is on the staff? Does that also mean he was not successful in getting Dean Bailey () and Neil Craig? Does that also mean he was a big part of recruiting Thomson, AMaric, Petterd, Miller etc? Or were those decisions the ones where "he was just one of many involved"?

Personally I reckon he's poo at his job. The bloke signed up because Greg Miller thought he had something to offer. Then he had secret meetings with Pahoff

Neil Craig? Seeing Bailey only joined Melb last season I think it is fair to say CC had no involvement in that at all  As for Bailey, considering CC's job at Melb was very different to the one he holds at the RFC; he was in recruting and list management I think itv is reasonable to say he had involvement in that either.

As for recruiting, yeah as head of Football then he would have some involvement there. But seeing Opposition List Analysis is the primary focus of Blair Hartley, I reckon it's fair to say that Hartley would have had a fairsay in bringing Miller, Petterd & Mini Maric to the RFC 

Amazing isn't it how things work

Bailey didn't join Melbourne last year??? Bailey is at another club despite Richmond trying to get him here in a role. We tried that after we failed getting Neil Craig here. I have no idea what you're on about. Surely Craig Cameron had something to do with attempting to get these people to the club? If so, did he fail or was it one of those decisions that he only had a minor role in?

Considering 2 of those players were drafted at Melbourne under Cameron I don't think it's unrealistic to suggest he had a fair bit to do with their recruitment. How about trading Schulz to port for Mitch Farmer & Ben Nason? We had those two muppets at this club for two years while we were still paying Schulz to average 2+ goals a game at another club. Nah, he didn't have much to do with that one. He had nothing to do with recruiting Tom Hislop and Adam Thomson either. Let's not forget CC was brought here as list manager before getting promoted to head of footy. He would have a fair bit to do with this poo one would think.

Amazing isn't it how things work.

[gerkin greg]

Amazing, just amazing

[Coach]

Amazing, just amazing

[RedanTiger]

Anybody know the extension period of Cameron's recently expired 5 year contract?

or

Who is the appointed director?

or

Where I can pull up that article where March talks about the importance of transparency?

or

Where Gale talks about the importance of communicating with the "members"?

[WilliamPowell]

Bailey didn't join Melbourne last year??? Bailey is at another club despite Richmond trying to get him here in a role. We tried that after we failed getting Neil Craig here. I have no idea what you're on about. Surely Craig Cameron had something to do with attempting to get these people to the club? If so, did he fail or was it one of those decisions that he only had a minor role in?

Sorry my mistake mis-read what you wrote that'll teach me   

[Coach]

Apology accepted