Official round 18 team vs Giants - Unchanged [update]

[Chuck17]

Soft is soft.

Injuries, weight etc is just an excuse

[YellowandBlackBlood]

When you have had poor run with injury, it would be normal to try to avoid contact that could lead to further injury. That's just human nature. That is amplified when you are a young player without a hardened body and another injury may see your dream of an AFL career come to an end.

I'm not sure why people find that hard to understand. I am happy to see him develop his body and get a full preseason in and then judge his softness.

Wow what a spiel. I must have missed the official anointing of Ellis as a 'victim'.

Players even from a Junior level are taught (once they are fully recovered)  to go in hard at the contest other wise you potentially leave yourself open to greater injury. Basic scientific force and motion principles and sports science 101.

Most players worth their salt have the courage to play this way. Only at the very margins (5-10% of players id say) wont put their head over the pill.

And he hasnt had a supremely poor run of injuries compared to many other players.

Lol.

Poor comparison. In juniors you are putting your body up against other juniors. In the AFL he is putting his body up against mature men. Do you think people act by human nature or contemplate basic scientific force and motion and sports science 101 instinctually? LMAO.

Doc, half our team are kids and half the players from other clubs are kids...
There are kids smaller, slighter built and less talented putting there careers and body on the line every time they run out like CEllis. He needs to lift in a big way.

I've said this before, my mate coached him at TAC Cup level and thinks he is a gun, and I really respect this guys opinion but it's time this kid showed why he was a first round pick and why he was so highly rated.

I can still remember his first game for us. He was not soft in that. If he was a soft type, he'd always be soft. That gives me encouragement. I really feel like all his injuries have sapped him of confidence. Once he gets that mental side right, I too think he'll be a very good player. He does have a laser guided left foot.

[big tone]

When you have had poor run with injury, it would be normal to try to avoid contact that could lead to further injury. That's just human nature. That is amplified when you are a young player without a hardened body and another injury may see your dream of an AFL career come to an end.

I'm not sure why people find that hard to understand. I am happy to see him develop his body and get a full preseason in and then judge his softness.

Wow what a spiel. I must have missed the official anointing of Ellis as a 'victim'.

Players even from a Junior level are taught (once they are fully recovered)  to go in hard at the contest other wise you potentially leave yourself open to greater injury. Basic scientific force and motion principles and sports science 101.

Most players worth their salt have the courage to play this way. Only at the very margins (5-10% of players id say) wont put their head over the pill.

And he hasnt had a supremely poor run of injuries compared to many other players.

Lol.

Poor comparison. In juniors you are putting your body up against other juniors. In the AFL he is putting his body up against mature men. Do you think people act by human nature or contemplate basic scientific force and motion and sports science 101 instinctually? LMAO.

Doc, half our team are kids and half the players from other clubs are kids...
There are kids smaller, slighter built and less talented putting there careers and body on the line every time they run out like CEllis. He needs to lift in a big way.

I've said this before, my mate coached him at TAC Cup level and thinks he is a gun, and I really respect this guys opinion but it's time this kid showed why he was a first round pick and why he was so highly rated.

I can still remember his first game for us. He was not soft in that. If he was a soft type, he'd always be soft. That gives me encouragement. I really feel like all his injuries have sapped him of confidence. Once he gets that mental side right, I too think he'll be a very good player. He does have a laser guided left foot.

How long do you give him before you wipe him like a dirty arse?
I'm not there yet but from experience, if they are soft early, they continue to be soft. BEllis say hi! And I called that early.

[big tone]

Soft is soft.

Injuries, weight etc is just an excuse

I like the kid but it's becoming harder and harder.
Let's be honest though, he will get a minimum of 6 years before a line is through his name.

[🏅Dooks]

Our Danny Meyer of the 2010's.

[Tigeritis™©®]

Is it going to rain today?

Maybe a late change - Soldo for Bolton

[WilliamPowell]

Is Andrew Gaff from the Eagles soft?

He plays an outside role and rarely goes in hard ay any contest. Would people call him soft?

I think Cellis' role may be something similar to that. But at the sometime i reckon when you have to go in gard for a ball you have to do it no matter what your designated role is

I think Cellis can be a very good player but his last AFL game was poor in the hardness at the contest part of the game.

That's one of the reasons he got sent back to the VFL to work on it. Hopefully he's done that we see it today. But I would also hope people give a chance and watch today with the blinkers off. Thats what I'll be doing

[big tone]

Is Andrew Gaff from the Eagles soft?

He plays an outside role and rarely goes in hard ay any contest. Would people call him soft?

I think Cellis' role may be something similar to that. But at the sometime i reckon when you have to go in gard for a ball you have to do it no matter what your designated role is

I think Cellis can be a very good player but his last AFL game was poor in the hardness at the contest part of the game.

That's one of the reasons he got sent back to the VFL to work on it. Hopefully he's done that we see it today. But I would also hope people give a chance and watch today with the blinkers off. Thats what I'll be doing

I don't think blinkers come into it when it comes to having a real crack. You either do or you don't.

To answer your first question about Gaff, I'd say some players can get away with being a bit soft if they excel in another area and Andrew excels in getting the pill and using it extremely well. It's a decent example though.
The problem we have is we have too many soft pathetic footballers and you cannot hide/carry more than one in your side.  But as I said, that one has to excel in another area.

I hope CEllis turns into a superstar because apart from our current A graders, there isn't really anyone standing up to be our next potential A grader.

[YellowandBlackBlood]

Is it going to rain today?

Maybe a late change - Soldo for Bolton

Bolton is playing in the reserves.

[Yeahright]

Remember when Gaff for Conca was being talked about. Those were the days

[Willy]

I'm hearing that half our team had the flu this week. Quarantine and all.

[🏅Dooks]

Remember when Gaff for Conca was being talked about. Those were the days

Pepperidge farm remembers

[tony_montana]

I just don't rate C Ellis. I don't doubt he has some class and is an elite kick of the football but I'm am bitterly disappointed in the lack of phusical development in his body, he still has the legs of a female tennis player. Apparently his groin hampered him over preseason and parts of last year, he should have smashed the gym over the summer to get bigger whilst he couldn't run. I've also seen him take short steps 3 times in one game, I've never seen any other player ever do that. He is slow, weak bodied and non aggressive, I've made my call on him early this season after having doubts last year - dud delist and very lucky to get a game. Should've been Markov