Robbo on Wallace's future

[Mr Magic]

expect more of this, im sure terry is fully aware of where his position sits... 

As he should be.
For those that say it's all going to plan, I would bet my left one that last season did not go anywhere near to plan.

We are getting some extremely talented young players to Richmond at the moment. Some by default(coming last helps) and thanks to FJ but iS Terry Wallace the guy to lead us to the Holy Grail??

After all that's what this is all about isn't it?!

I seriously have my doubts.

[Smokey]

Your Wallace bashing is getting soooo boring.

He's a wooden spoon winning coach FFS!
You seem to suggest he's immune from any criticism whatsover.

Your last few posts are as if you are spaced out on heavy pain killers.

No pain here, all good actually.  In no way am I suggesting Wallace should be immune from criticism.  I believe he should get all the criticism that his performance as coach deserves.  It's just that at the moment I have no problems with his performance thus far and I have a lot of confidence going forward.  I'm happy to be the first to put my hand up if he fails to deliver on what he promised and on what the club hired him to do.  So far, he is right on track and the club appear extremely happy.  I fear it might be the fringe supporter element I mentioned that are either on, or in need of, the pain killers.  Patience is a virtue and foresight is essential for those who are really interested in the long term success and stability of our club.  Its a long overdue journey that we have finally embarked on and I am enjoying the ride already.

And if you think I can't or won't be critical of the club then you certainly weren't a part of the forums I posted to when Casey was President!

[Francois Jackson]

Your Wallace bashing is getting soooo boring.

He's a wooden spoon winning coach FFS!
You seem to suggest he's immune from any criticism whatsover.

Your last few posts are as if you are spaced out on heavy pain killers.

No pain here, all good actually.  In no way am I suggesting Wallace should be immune from criticism.  I believe he should get all the criticism that his performance as coach deserves.  It's just that at the moment I have no problems with his performance thus far and I have a lot of confidence going forward.  I'm happy to be the first to put my hand up if he fails to deliver on what he promised and on what the club hired him to do.  So far, he is right on track and the club appear extremely happy.  I fear it might be the fringe supporter element I mentioned that are either on, or in need of, the pain killers.  Patience is a virtue and foresight is essential for those who are really interested in the long term success and stability of our club.  Its a long overdue journey that we have finally embarked on and I am enjoying the ride already.

And if you think I can't or won't be critical of the club then you certainly weren't a part of the forums I posted to when Casey was President!

i just hope u werent referring to me as a fringe supporter pal because i bet ill find u in the stands bagging richo at some stage this year.

Im a member and have been for 12 years. I am very patient dont worry about that and every single richmond supporter is patient as well cause we have been put through the rigours for the last 20 years.

[T2]

trust me mate its not just the doomsayers 

Trust me T2 - yes it is.

then i guess someone needs to open their eyes

there are plenty who dont rate us and its not just from the ferals

[Mr Magic]

I'm happy to be the first to put my hand up if he fails to deliver on what he promised and on what the club hired him to do. 

Terry's pitch was that we didn't have to bottom out to rebuild.
The goal posts have now shifted and we are basically into a full rebuild in the wake of last season's debacle which was effectively over by round 6.
The club did not hire Wallace on the premise of winning wooden spoons in his third season and sure as heckfire not in his 4th.

[Darth Tiger]

The club did not hire Wallace on the premise of winning wooden spoons in his third season and sure as heckfire not in his 4th.

Agree, however the list faces significant structural issues after years of neglect from Walls, Geisch & Spud (2 first round draft picks in 10 years).

The medium term performance of the player group requires more than a cultural change which maybe impacted in the short term by a new coach.

Surely, RFC is more professional now with Steve Wright pulling some major strings and solidifying Richmond's long term commercial base.

It just needs to be reflected at the footy end.

To quote Douglas Adams "Don't Panic" .... yet

[Mr Magic]

Agree, however the list faces significant structural issues after years of neglect from Walls, Geisch & Spud (2 first round draft picks in 10 years).

To quote Douglas Adams "Don't Panic" .... yet

I'm not.
Despite my negative angle I still have great hope that Terry can turn us around.

However the Honeymoon is over..
this year cannot be blamed on the likes of 'Walls, Geisch & Spud'.

Wallace is accountable for our performances in '08.

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we did not bottom out , we just had a really stuffed up yr. a whole lot of factors influenced the results. we just were not good enough in the end with our depth . bottoming out suggests tanking and we didnt tank, we were just plain poo

[Smokey]

Dont tell me you have to be in the game for 4-5 years to put on size and stop being a boy playing against a man cause i can reel off 20 players who are 2-3 players who are real tough competitors.

Please do.  I'll be very interested in looking at your list.

Our development at Punt Road did not change from what i saw and unless this area gets better we will fail.
Im not sure if its our development coaches, maybe they are the ones who need to go.

How long do you consider the development coaches (in effect, most of the football department) should get to completely rebuild one of the worst lists in the history of the VFL/AFL and get the replacement kids up and running and playing competitive footy?  Remember, it's taken them 5 years just to turn the list over.

We can rack up a great profit thats all good and well then why the hell cant we spend that money on development and the footy department.

And that's exactly what we have done over the past 4 years.  Not a bad plan either when you think about it - getting the club back on it's feet financially first before increasing the spending in the football department (almost all of which initially was just to play catch up for the 30+ years of neglect and mismanagement).

[Smokey]

i just hope u werent referring to me as a fringe supporter pal because i bet ill find u in the stands bagging richo at some stage this year.

Im a member and have been for 12 years. I am very patient dont worry about that and every single richmond supporter is patient as well cause we have been put through the rigours for the last 20 years.

No, I most certainly wasn't.  You misunderstood the intent of my meaning and that's probably my bad choice of words.  By fringe supporters I meant small group of vocal supporters who tend to complain about everything being wrong because success isn't instantly forthcoming with every new change we make.

As for bagging Richo, I haven't done that for quite a few years now.  I used to be one of his sternest critics for his attitude and on-field demeanour and I was all for getting rid of him after the disgraceful performance he put on that night to David Rodan.  To his credit (and dare I utter it - since Miller & Wallace have taken over) his on-field manner has completely turned around and he can now rightly be classed as one of the respected leaders at our club.  If had received the guidance and benefit of the current football department in his earlier days then he would be the current club captain but that is another story.

[mightytiges]

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Daniel, we role over and die.
Basically give up, especially under Wallace

We have been seen as mentally frail not only under Wallace but under previous tenures as Frawleys Gieschens and Walls. Hence the fact we have a very very poor record against top 8 teams in that time and that is who you need to beat in order to crack the top 8.
Statistics since 1996 results against teams who finished in top 8

Overall since 1996 42 from 143  29.37%

Pretty damning statistic and one not applicable  only to the TW tenure when rebuilding as he was last year.

Those stats aren't surprising but sheesh .

The last game in 98 against Melbourne probably tops the mentally fragility stakes although even in 3 of our past 6 finals in 95, 2001 we were on the end of hidings too where the game was over by halfway through the second quarter.

Agree it's mostly above the shoulders in terms of a lack of fight but we've fallen away in the second half of many seasons over the past decade due to a lack of class and us relying on too few to carry the rest of side. That's fine early on in the season when everyone is fresh and injury-free but eventually something has got to give as those few players start to tire and suffer injuries from the workload. It's always been the way that the top sides hit their straps in the second half of any year while the mediocre ones fall away. That's why now we are bringing through lots of youngsters so that when they eventually reach their prime age we'll no longer just be relying on just a few good players.