Robbo on Wallace's future

[wayne]

3 games were lost by more than 100 points - 2 by Carlton, 1 by us. 

Don't forget Port Pathetic in the big one and the Kangaroos in the Qualifying final.

[mightytiges]

North's year was very much like ours in 2001. Our two hidings came in the finals as well.

When you look back at last year, as crap as we were, 10 of our losses were by 25 points or less and in most of those we were in the game for 3 1/2 quarters. It was Geelong, Port, Hawthorn and Sydney that smashed us. I'm not saying we shouldn't have finished last but 4 goals is nothing in modern footy. Just shows most AFL sides are mediocre each year with the top few the actual quality sides. We were just worse than mediocre though  .

Round 6     Geelong      157   
Round 18 Geelong        70   
Round 17 Sydney           66   
Round 16 Port Adelaide 55   
Round 15 Hawthorn    53   
Round 7   Port Adelaide 40   
Round 4   W.Bulldogs    32   
Round 20 West Coast 31   
Round 3   Collingwood  25   
Round 14 Kangaroos  25   
Round 5   West Coast  23   
Round 11 Fremantle   21   
Round 1    Carlton       17   
Round 13 St Kilda      17   
Round 2     Sydney      16   
Round 22 St Kilda      10   
Round 8     Adelaide     9   
Round 9     Essendon    8   

[Francois Jackson]

thats all good and well and i agree with on the fact that we had some good honourable losses but what i want to find out is why when we lose we lose bad.
Its an ongoing theing at punt road. Are we weak at Punt Road?
 Why is it when the chips are down i see so many with the heads buried into the ground.

We need to be tougher and if you arent tough in the mind and body then in my opinion get fu....

[Little Jackie]

Daniel, we role over and die.
Basically give up, especially under Wallace

[T2]

Mark Robinson on SEN just said it would be negligent of Gary March not to sack Wallace if 2007 is repeated. Not just in terms of wins/losses but in terms of performance. Something would be wrong if we see multiple 100 point losses again.

Someone has already replied to this thread re: we only had 1 loss last season by more than 100 points.  Here are some more interesting stats:

3 games were lost by more than 100 points - 2 by Carlton, 1 by us.  Collingwood and West Coast both lost games by more than 90 points.
We only lost 3 games by 10 goals or more.  Carlton lost 7, Bulldogs lost 4, Melbourne lost 3, 12 teams in total lost at least 1 game by 10 goals or more. 

Makes a mockery of this type of unresearched bullsh*t 'reporting'.  I'll keep saying it until I'm blue in the face - we are going to surprise a lot of people this year with our sudden and 'unannounced' improvement.  The only ones who will see it are the ones today who are looking through the trees and seeing a stack of wood.  We are not nearly as bad as the doomsayers would have you believe.

trust me mate its not just the doomsayers 

[Little Jackie]

Mark Robinson on SEN just said it would be negligent of Gary March not to sack Wallace if 2007 is repeated. Not just in terms of wins/losses but in terms of performance. Something would be wrong if we see multiple 100 point losses again.

Someone has already replied to this thread re: we only had 1 loss last season by more than 100 points.  Here are some more interesting stats:

3 games were lost by more than 100 points - 2 by Carlton, 1 by us.  Collingwood and West Coast both lost games by more than 90 points.
We only lost 3 games by 10 goals or more.  Carlton lost 7, Bulldogs lost 4, Melbourne lost 3, 12 teams in total lost at least 1 game by 10 goals or more. 

Makes a mockery of this type of unresearched bullsh*t 'reporting'.  I'll keep saying it until I'm blue in the face - we are going to surprise a lot of people this year with our sudden and 'unannounced' improvement.  The only ones who will see it are the ones today who are looking through the trees and seeing a stack of wood.  We are not nearly as bad as the doomsayers would have you believe.

Its Terry who""cant see the forest through the trees""
Thats the problem at punt road

[Hellenic Tiger]

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Daniel, we role over and die.
Basically give up, especially under Wallace

We have been seen as mentally frail not only under Wallace but under previous tenures as Frawleys Gieschens and Walls. Hence the fact we have a very very poor record against top 8 teams in that time and that is who you need to beat in order to crack the top 8.
Statistics since 1996 results against teams who finished in top 8

Robert Walls 1996 4 from 13. Two wins were against Hawthorn who fell in at our expence.
Robert Walls / Jeff Gieschen 1997 . Overall 5 from 12 with Gieschen 2 from 2.

Ovreall 7 from 23 30.43%

Jeff Gieschen 1998 5 from 11
Jeff Gieschen 1999 4 from 13

Overall 11 from 24 including 1997 results when he took over 45.83%

Danny Frawley 2000 5 from 12
Danny Frawley 2001 5 from 12 including 1 win from 3 finals
An easier draw saw us only play 9 times against top 8 opposition in the 22 rounds.b
Danny Frawley 2002 4 from 12
Danny Frawley 2003 2 from 12
Danny Frawley 2004 1 from 12

Overall  19 from 60  31.66%

Terry Wallace 2005 2 from 11
Terry Wallace 2006 2 from 12
Terry Wallace 2007 1 from 13

Overall 5 from 36 13.88%

Overall since 1996 42 from 143  29.37%

Pretty damning statistic and one not applicable  only to the TW tenure when rebuilding as he was last year. Gieschen and Frawley topped up and although Giesch was forced to jump after poor performances he is the only coach that statisitcs will look kindly on as he had an overall coaching record of over 50%. Pretty tragic that the now coaches of umpiring  has a better coaching record than some of the clubs legends and other misfits and Messiahs as well as the falling away of the list in the last couple of years in Frawleys tenure.

Plough's results are similar to Frawleys circa 2003/04. Difference is list is on the way up now Spud had it when was derailing the train and then walking away from the train wreck. Hopefully the fruits of Spud's labours are now behind us.

[Smokey]

thats all good and well and i agree with on the fact that we had some good honourable losses but what i want to find out is why when we lose we lose bad.

Probably the same reason as most of the other clubs.  You're letting your blind hatred of everything Wallace cloud reality.  We had more "good honourable losses" than most teams. We were one of the most reliable, consistent and honest teams last season.  We lost MOST of our games because of a major physical deficiency (age) that is nigh on impossible to overcome in the short term (unless you subscribe to the 'one small forward from a premiership' theory.  In almost every single game we showed that on ability we are more than competitive and in many cases, already better, than our opposition.  The one area we had no chance of competing was boy's bodies v men's, hence the totally predictable results.  ONLY time can fix that - NOTHING else.

Its an ongoing theing at punt road. Are we weak at Punt Road?
 Why is it when the chips are down i see so many with the heads buried into the ground.

I've gotta say - from your incessant bagging of Wallace and the football department I think the one with his head buried deepest is the one who can't see things for what they are.

We need to be tougher and if you arent tough in the mind and body then in my opinion get fu....

And you believe that this comes to 18-22 year old kids naturally and immediately do you?  Its amazing how differently you see things when you grow up and learn about life.

[Smokey]

Its Terry who""cant see the forest through the trees""
Thats the problem at punt road

Sad as this is going to sound to you Jackie, there is no problem at Punt Rd.  For the 2nd time in 25 years we have a coach and a football department with a sound plan, the 1st time that its actually going according to script.  For the 1st time in 25 years we have a board and club that is 100% supportive, both financially and emotionally.  For the umpteenth time in 25 years we have a supporter fringe that craves instant success and believes that the coach is the be all and end all of this success.  The club copped a fairly decent hammering from many quarters last season but the most silent and notable absentee of any of this was from within the club itself. This from a club that has a strong history of demanding instant gratification, a passage of right to be a top 4 power club, and a tendency to eat it's own at the first sign of failure.  Where do you go from here?  What do you do when the bleeding obvious (to those with open eyes) happens and we are successful over the next few years?  Who will be your target then?  Or will become one of those loud-mouths that proclaim "I pride myself in sticking to the club through the tough times so I deserve this success"?  Your Wallace bashing is getting soooo boring.

[Smokey]

trust me mate its not just the doomsayers 

Trust me T2 - yes it is.

[Francois Jackson]

Its Terry who""cant see the forest through the trees""
Thats the problem at punt road

Sad as this is going to sound to you Jackie, there is no problem at Punt Rd.  For the 2nd time in 25 years we have a coach and a football department with a sound plan, the 1st time that its actually going according to script.  For the 1st time in 25 years we have a board and club that is 100% supportive, both financially and emotionally.  For the umpteenth time in 25 years we have a supporter fringe that craves instant success and believes that the coach is the be all and end all of this success.  The club copped a fairly decent hammering from many quarters last season but the most silent and notable absentee of any of this was from within the club itself. This from a club that has a strong history of demanding instant gratification, a passage of right to be a top 4 power club, and a tendency to eat it's own at the first sign of failure.  Where do you go from here?  What do you do when the bleeding obvious (to those with open eyes) happens and we are successful over the next few years?  Who will be your target then?  Or will become one of those loud-mouths that proclaim "I pride myself in sticking to the club through the tough times so I deserve this success"?  Your Wallace bashing is getting soooo boring.

i think u r the one is becoming boring pal. some things u say i believe, such as we have a stable club financially and the board is very sound and i am grateful for that.
however, until i see some hard tackling, chasing and a mentally stronger attitude im affraid to say ur comments are wrong.
Dont tell me you have to be in the game for 4-5 years to put on size and stop being a boy playing against a man cause i can reel off 20 players who are 2-3 players who are real tough competitors.
Our development at Punt Road did not change from what i saw and unless this area gets better we will fail.
Im not sure if its our development coaches, maybe they are the ones who need to go.
We can rack up a great profit thats all good and well then why the hell cant we spend that money on development and the footy department.

[blx]

however, until i see some hard tackling, chasing and a mentally stronger attitude im affraid to say ur comments are wrong.

crap. we have a young list and it aint gonna happen overnight.

[Mr Magic]

Your Wallace bashing is getting soooo boring.

He's a wooden spoon winning coach FFS!
You seem to suggest he's immune from any criticism whatsover.

Your last few posts are as if you are spaced out on heavy pain killers.

[Francois Jackson]

yeah it is crap. like primus, harry miller and co are all skinny 2nd year players arent they.
come on mate open ur eyes. i even spoke to Gm one day and asked him about Will's body and when we can expect to see him bulk up.
he said within the next 5 years he should bulk up. i mean what the hell 5 years.

[rogerd3]

expect more of this, im sure terry is fully aware of where his position sits...