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Offline Penelope

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Re: Batchelor gets contract extension to 2013 (RFC)
« Reply #30 on: November 09, 2011, 08:42:46 PM »
I never said he is not to blame for anything.

Why is a co-ordinater a downgrade. The higher up you get in that food chain, the more you have organise, or co-ordinate. What do you think a general manager does? The first option i gave in that earlier post?

Well I suppose though, that considering he is the man solely responsible for all those things going wrong and not following the plan, then should not the buck stop with those that he answers to, the board and the CEO.

I mean, really if he is so derelict in his duty then surely those higher up should  see it and sack him.

the fact that they don't can only mean that they are also derect in their duty.

I never realised he had veto power either. Thats what you mean by final decision maker isnt it? that if the rest of the list management committee agree to a decision he doesnt like, he can override it?

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Re: Batchelor gets contract extension to 2013 (RFC)
« Reply #31 on: November 09, 2011, 11:02:26 PM »
Whatever Cameron's job is he is poohouse at it.

I shudder whenever he speaks publically.
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Re: Batchelor gets contract extension to 2013 (RFC)
« Reply #32 on: November 09, 2011, 11:07:30 PM »


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Re: Batchelor gets contract extension to 2013 (RFC)
« Reply #33 on: November 09, 2011, 11:56:13 PM »
What do you think a general manager does?

FYI I quote the following from Wikipedia:

"Management comprises planning, organizing, staffing, leading or directing, and controlling an organization (a group of one or more people or entities) or effort for the purpose of accomplishing a goal."

and

"Basic functions
 Management operates through various functions, often classified as planning, organizing, staffing, leading/directing, controlling/monitoring and motivation.
 - Planning: Deciding what needs to happen in the future (today, next week, next month, next year, over the next five years, etc.) and generating plans for action.
 - Organizing: (Implementation)pattern of relationships among workers, making optimum use of the resources required to enable the successful carrying out of plans.
 - Staffing: Job analysis, recruitment and hiring for appropriate jobs.
 - Leading/directing: Determining what needs to be done in a situation and getting people to do it.
 - Controlling/monitoring: Checking progress against plans.
 - Motivation: Motivation is also a kind of basic function of management, because without motivation, employees cannot work effectively. If motivation does not take place in an organization, then employees may not contribute to the other functions (which are usually set by top-level management)."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Management

Well I suppose though, that considering he is the man solely responsible for all those things going wrong and not following the plan, then should not the buck stop with those that he answers to, the board and the CEO. There you go again. As the most senior football manager he bears not sole but final responsibility for results, good and bad. If things go wrong in any section (eg Recruiting, Fitness, Welfare etc) it is his job to fix it so they don't recur.

I mean, really if he is so derelict in his duty then surely those higher up should  see it and sack him.

the fact that they don't can only mean that they are also derect in their duty.

I never realised he had veto power either. Thats what you mean by final decision maker isnt it? that if the rest of the list management committee agree to a decision he doesnt like, he can override it?

Cameron was hired by Miller on a five year contract as List Manager. When Miller left (or was pushed) as GM of Football the Board looked around for a replacement and finally Cameron took over that job as well, still on a five year deal. IMO the Board was derelict in his appointment under those terms.

There can be many reasons why a person keeps a job he is unable to competently perform. In the Richmond case I think it is because he provides cover for the board (March) and is a patsy when things go wrong in their duties. It is ironic that a board decision to replace a senior manager is more dangerous for them than keeping a failing one because then it is their heads directly on the chopping block for the success of the move.

Does he have veto power as the "final decision maker"? I'd say yes, ignoring any CEO or board override.
If you then believe a competent manager would implement any decision in the face of unanimous opposition of his staff then you really don't understand anything about management. Please take note of "Motivation" in the above Wikipedia post.

As another example of Cameron's work look at the Wallace resignation debacle.
Newman and King approached Wallace with complaints from the playing group, Wallace clains they told him to resign, it reached the press almost immediately and there was a crisis that required the President to hold a meeting with the entire list to resolve the issue while Cameron held his coat. Presumably March also had meetings with Wallace in which Cameron would have held no power since Wallace, like all senior coaches, is hired and fired by the board (not by the Footy GM as stated before).

Two points:
What the hell was Cameron doing as regards communication with key personnel (Former Captain, Captain and Young Player Leader) that this issue ever reached this degree of conflict?
How much trust do you think Newman and King have in Cameron (or March) after they were hung out to dry after that crisis? And their motivation?

Getting back to the thread topic I'm glad Batchelor was signed.
Now what's happening about Campbell's contract and the new development coaches - you kbnow the difficult stuff. 

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Re: Batchelor gets contract extension to 2013 (RFC)
« Reply #34 on: November 10, 2011, 09:06:28 AM »
The strange thing is reading much of this we actually seem to be on the same wavelength.

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If you then believe a competent manager would implement any decision in the face of unanimous opposition of his staff then you really don't understand anything about management.

This pretty much sums up the point I'm trying to make, that the decisions that the manager of football often gets blamed for, in particular list management decisions are made by 5 people, not 1.

if people don't like the decision, there are 5 people to blame for it;
if people do like the decision, there are 5 people to praise; not just the general manager.
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Re: Batchelor gets contract extension to 2013 (RFC)
« Reply #35 on: November 10, 2011, 07:29:58 PM »
The strange thing is reading much of this we actually seem to be on the same wavelength.

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If you then believe a competent manager would implement any decision in the face of unanimous opposition of his staff then you really don't understand anything about management.

This pretty much sums up the point I'm trying to make, that the decisions that the manager of football often gets blamed for, in particular list management decisions are made by 5 people, not 1.

if people don't like the decision, there are 5 people to blame for it;
if people do like the decision, there are 5 people to praise; not just the general manager.

Glad you managed to find one sentence you could use from my post.
Interesting that you still managed to flip my point from unanimous opposition to unanimous support though. Do you think that happens often?

So, if we're on the same wavelength you agree with the rest of what I wrote which refers to his role as Footy GM and was a response to your post:
As i said, if you can give details of what his role actually entails and which of these areas he is poor in, i may take these critisims seriously.
 

Satisfied that we're now on the same wavelength and you are now taking my criticisms of Cameron seriously.  ;D