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Re: Stand On Your Own 2 Feet
« Reply #15 on: June 17, 2013, 08:43:38 AM »
the problem with melbourne is not that they tanked but that they didnt know when to stop and allowed themselves to become a welfare club where welfare is an expectation not only from the club administration but their supporters as well. Other clubs tanked as well, Collingwood tanked for Thomas and Pendlebury but stopped tanking after 1 year, Carlton tanked but stopped as well and moved up the ladder. Melbourne just didnt know when to stop.

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Re: Stand On Your Own 2 Feet
« Reply #16 on: June 17, 2013, 09:57:17 AM »
They should never have got rid of Daniher. He had a middle of the road list that he constantly got the best out of but that wasn't good enough to challenge consistently. He should have been the one that was allowed after all the hard yards to shed some senior players, 'bottom out' for a couple of seasons without fear of losing his job, and replenish his side with top shelf talent. Not to mention the extra coaches and facilities they put on after they gave him the ass. He wouldn't have treated the senior blokes like poo, trashed the culture, and instilled a losing mindset. They would actually be where they hoped they'd be now.

Thank **** they sacked him  :cheers

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Re: Stand On Your Own 2 Feet
« Reply #17 on: June 17, 2013, 01:15:47 PM »
Damien Barrett on the Sunday Footy Show said Melbourne won't be getting a priority pick (because they don't deserve one).

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Re: Stand On Your Own 2 Feet
« Reply #18 on: June 17, 2013, 03:54:14 PM »
Damien Barrett on the Sunday Footy Show said Melbourne won't be getting a priority pick (because they don't deserve one).

I confirm this

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Re: Stand On Your Own 2 Feet
« Reply #19 on: June 20, 2013, 01:09:29 PM »
THE AFL executive will be charged with putting forward a recommendation to the AFL Commission to decide whether to approve Melbourne's bid for a priority pick at the 2013 draft.

It is expected a sub-panel, including football operations boss Mark Evans, the League's head of game development Andrew Dillon, national talent manager Kevin Sheehan and total player payments manager Ken Wood, will help form the recommendation.

It remains to be seen whether the commission will give out another draft selection to the struggling Demons, but club-level sources believe it is unlikely.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-06-20/execs-to-ponder-pick

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Demons match Hawthorn for football spending (Age)
« Reply #20 on: June 20, 2013, 10:13:53 PM »
Demons match Hawthorn for football spending

  Jake Niall
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    June 21, 2013


When player payments are discounted, 17th placed Melbourne is spending a similar amount on its football department this season as the premiership favourite and top team Hawthorn.

AFL industry sources have confirmed that while the Demons are spending less than the Hawks overall on their football department - due to the top team's high player payments - the Dees are spending nearly the same amount as Hawthorn on what clubs call ''non-player spend'' in football.

Hawthorn is spending slightly more than $18million on its football department in 2013, but the bulk of that is on players. The hapless Demons are spending heavily on football staff - having wooed senior football staffers Neil Craig, David Misson and Todd Viney and recruiting manager Jason Taylor from rival clubs on significant salaries and having set up a sizeable coaching structure along the same lines as Collingwood.

Sources said that if the respective wages of Hawthorn's well-paid premiership coach, Alastair Clarkson, and his sacked counterpart Mark Neeld were subtracted from the comparison, the Demons might well be the higher spender in terms of football staff.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/demons-match-hawthorn-for-football-spending-20130620-2olv8.html#ixzz2Wl2ye89u

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Demons under fire over priority pick (Age)
« Reply #21 on: June 24, 2013, 02:28:58 AM »
Demons under fire on picks

       Matt Murnane
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    June 24, 2013


The AFL could be on a collision course with disgruntled clubs over whether to give embattled Melbourne another priority pick at season's end.

Tensions could be set to rise after league deputy chief Gillon McLachlan admitted on Sunday there was a strong case to give the Demons another free shot at a young player ahead of other teams.

Western Bulldogs president Peter Gordon became the latest club figure to voice concerns about the merit behind giving Melbourne another high draft pick to add its top 25 picks it has on its list from extra selections in recent years.

Gordon's stance follows that made by Richmond president Gary March, who has urged the AFL not to give the Demons any more draft assistance, and also Carlton president Stephen Kernahan, who wants the priority pick scrapped altogether.

Gordon disagrees with Kernahan in that respect, believing the priority pick to be a worthy ''mechanism for equalisation'', but the Dogs leader said he would be ''very surprised'' if the AFL could mount an argument that Melbourne deserved an extra pick ahead of other non-expansion teams in the bottom part of the ladder.

Gordon said he believed Melbourne's list was not as bad as other observers had rated, and therefore giving the club another high

draft pick on top of the selection it is likely to obtain by finishing near the bottom this year was unnecessary.

Gordon said clubs like St Kilda, Brisbane Lions and the Western Bulldogs were just as worthy as Melbourne of a priority pick.

Although he drew a distinction between those clubs, and Greater Western Sydney and Gold Coast, saying the expansions teams had already received enough draft assistance.

He said he did not believe Melbourne had ''wasted'' the priority picks it had received in the past.

''Priority picks are a mechanism for improving the quality of a team from a three to eight-year period, from the time in which the choice is exercised,'' Gordon said on Sunday.

''When you think through that theory, Melbourne's management and fans would have some cause for optimism in respect to their list, because they genuinely do have a large number of quality kids. .

''You only have to rattle off the names - [Jack] Viney, [Jimmy] Toumpas, [Jesse] Hogan - and they are going to get another high first-round choice again this year.

''I don't think Melbourne's list is qualitatively worse, in terms of the 23 and under players, than most of the competition.

''So accordingly, if I were a commissioner, I would not be making an exception of Melbourne.

''I would use it to accelerate greater equality of the entire bottom quartile of the competition.''

McLachlan said Melbourne's prolonged poor performance on field, among other factors, meant there was a ''pretty strong'' argument that the Demons were in need of a priority pick.

''The discretion sits there for clubs that need hope and when the assessment is that they are rock bottom on the field,'' McLachlan said on Channel Seven on Sunday.

''They [the commission] will weight that up.

''But I think you could mount a case where they have been over the last couple of years, that there is a pretty strong argument.''

Legend player and coach Leigh Matthews said on Sunday that he believed Melbourne should receive a priority pick.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/demons-under-fire-on-picks-20130623-2oqup.html#ixzz2X3d0CrWO

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Re: Stand On Your Own 2 Feet
« Reply #22 on: June 24, 2013, 09:40:52 AM »
Melbourne chose to give 2 first rounders away for 1 kid that can't play this year. What a joke.

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Re: Stand On Your Own 2 Feet
« Reply #23 on: June 24, 2013, 10:04:05 AM »
Melbourne chose to give 2 first rounders away for 1 kid that can't play this year. What a joke.

Actually is probably the best trade/draft decision they've made in a long time. Would go as far as to say most clubs would have done the same thing

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Re: Stand On Your Own 2 Feet
« Reply #24 on: June 24, 2013, 10:31:25 AM »
poo kick.

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Re: Stand On Your Own 2 Feet
« Reply #25 on: June 24, 2013, 11:03:45 AM »
Melbourne chose to give 2 first rounders away for 1 kid that can't play this year. What a joke.

Actually is probably the best trade/draft decision they've made in a long time. Would go as far as to say most clubs would have done the same thing

Hogan will be a gun

your dreaming WP if you believe that
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Re: Stand On Your Own 2 Feet
« Reply #26 on: June 24, 2013, 11:08:25 AM »
Melbourne chose to give 2 first rounders away for 1 kid that can't play this year. What a joke.

Actually is probably the best trade/draft decision they've made in a long time. Would go as far as to say most clubs would have done the same thing

Hogan will be a gun

your dreaming WP if you believe that

I actually do daniel, a number of clubs have said they wanted Hogan
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Re: Stand On Your Own 2 Feet
« Reply #27 on: June 24, 2013, 11:40:51 AM »
To give away high draft picks form a gun

Who is too young to pay until 2 seasons time

And have the Gaul to ask for extra picks due to pooness

Is audacious from melbourne.

Richmond has been screwed by and large for the last 20 years in the draft - And what were we given? People called us the worst team since fitzory. And expansion clubs were introduced taking what is rightfully ours

Bollocks. Bollcoks. Bollocks.  :P

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Re: Demons match Hawthorn for football spending (Age)
« Reply #28 on: June 24, 2013, 09:56:03 PM »

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Did anyone read about Crazy Schwaby's work with their sponsors?  :scream

Dee-p trouble with trouble not limited to just on-field in recent seasons


MELBOURNE'S voyage into the seas of despair set sail from the Port of Shanghai in October 2010.

It was the highlight night of the club's exhibition trip to China, where the Demons played the Brisbane Lions at Jiangwan Stadium for the once-off "Kaspersky Cup".

A luxury cruise boat was hired to entertain players, officials and sponsors involved in footy's first ever match in China.

On deck, as they crawled along the Huangpu River, were Melbourne chief executive Cameron Schwab and Harry Cheung, the Asia-Pacific managing director of Russian IT security company Kaspersky.

Two years earlier Kaspersky had agreed to become Melbourne's major sponsor after a chance meeting between lifelong Demons supporter Andrew Mamonitis and Cheung at a Kazakhstan restaurant in Moscow.

Cheung was impressed by Mamonitis' passion for his club in a far-off land and just happened to be looking at expanding the Kaspersky brand to Australia.

A month later he ordered his staff to approach the Demons, which they did through a membership hotline.

Hardly believing their luck, the Demons soon announced a three-year jumper deal worth $2.4 million.

Now basking in the glory of the "Kaspersky Cup" - a game the Russian firm paid another $300,000 to host - Cheung was keen to extend for another three seasons.

Cheung was even treated to a rousing rendition of "It's a Grand Old Flag" on the boat as Schwab spoke of the importance of the trip in bringing the club together.

But instead of disembarking with a handshake deal, the businessman walked away with a sinking feeling. Melbourne wanted more.

Over the coming weeks Cheung was told the Demons were on track to become a powerhouse of the competition  :lol to rival the likes of Collingwood and Essendon  :lol - so the price for a space on the jumper had risen from $800,000 per season to as much as $1.5 million.  :lol Cheung was affronted and a year later, after months of wrangling, Kaspersky walked away. A crucial commercial partner was lost at sea.


About the same time as the Kaspersky deal collapsed, Schwab and his commercial operations team were courting a bloke named Ben Poulis, the owner of energy broker company Energy Watch.

In August 2011, the Demons and Energy Watch announced a massive $6 million, three-year deal.

Schwab could hardly contain his delight, tweeting: "Locking our budgets away for 2012 ... We've gone from a $26 million organisation in 2009 to a $40 million-plus in 2012 - growth needed to compete."

Polis paid his first cheque on time, but it wasn't long before alarm bells sounded.

Less than a week after the deal was done, the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission announced it had hit Energy Watch with legal action for engaging in deceptive conduct.

Polis dismissed the claims and declared his company was "entirely legitimate".

"If we are dodgy, then why have we saved 150,000 people money on their power bills?" Polis said. "There are people who say we are dodgy, but we're not."

It all ended in tears in April last year when Melbourne was forced to dump Energy Watch after a racism scandal.

Polis had been exposed for making a series of offensive remarks on the internet, leaving the Demons without a major backer.

Kaspersky moved on fast and announced sponsorship arrangements with Collingwood and NRL club Manly.

But Kaspersky isn't the only brand to be overturned by Melbourne.

In late 2008, the Demons had all but done the deal to land international food giant Mission Foods as a major sponsor, only to be beaten by an 11th-hour swoop by the Western Bulldogs.

In a major blow to Melbourne, the Dogs announced a three-year deal worth a massive $4.5 million.

Passionate Demons fan and Mission Foods general manager Matthew Forster had all but gifted the partnership to his club only to see it slip away by a series of last-minute demands from Melbourne.

Another one had gotten away.

The Mission Foods fiasco led to the club's association with Hankook Tyres, a South Korean firm with a growing foothold in Australia. Hankook joined as the club's co-major partner in 2009 in a three-year deal worth about $700,000 a season.

Hankook's money came from its Victorian distributor L.D.Wholesale Tyres, owned by Lawrie de la Rue - a club supporter since 1958 and a large contributor to the Demons' debt demolition fund.

De la Rue, who has contributed about $2.5 million to the club through the sponsorship and donations, walked away in disgust at the end of 2011.

The Hankook association had completely disintegrated, with legal letters exchanged.

A major sticking point was the club's decision to place its new club emblem on the top left of the jumper above the Hankook logo.

De la Rue was cast aside.

Car giant Volvo also had its problems and chose to cease its second-tier sponsorship with the club in 2011.

"At some point, the board needs to take stock and work out why it can't keep sponsors," De La Rue told the Herald Sun.

"In this day and age, sponsorship is not a donation. Sponsors require a commercial return and we expect that key deliverables will be met."

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/dee-p-trouble-with-trouble-not-limited-to-just-on-field-in-recent-seasons/story-fni5f91a-1226668144549
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Re: Stand On Your Own 2 Feet
« Reply #29 on: June 25, 2013, 11:04:26 PM »
Melbourne chose to give 2 first rounders away for 1 kid that can't play this year. What a joke.

Actually is probably the best trade/draft decision they've made in a long time. Would go as far as to say most clubs would have done the same thing

Hogan will be a gun

Great decision. But they have to live with the consequences that they are now poo this year. If they are still poo next year then give them a priority.