missing the point wp, they cheated last year, whether they benefit from it or not is irrelevant(although imo they clearly are). If they cheated last year, then they should be banned from this season. Every game and result they have been involved in should be scrapped from the record book including percentage. That's the only way every side is on a level playing. The sides that beat them, good on them but tough luck in this case.
We are actually saying the same thing with regard to the points tony. I agree with you that their results for this year should be stripped away. Points, %, draft picks, everything! Whack them with a $2mil fine, don't allow them to participate in the draft, FA or trade period. They must be punished heavily and in an unprecedented fashion.
What I am arguing against is giving their points (currently 40- 10 wins) to the sides they have beaten this year. That just isn't right nor is it right (and this is where we differ) to take away the 4 points away from those teams have legitimately beaten them.
suppose I am applying what the NRL did to Storm when they whacked them for salary cap rorting and think that is the fairest way to go considering we are more than half way into a season 
yeah I see what you're saying wp, just don't agree on that one particular point personally
This is just opinion but its pretty clear they broke down bc they went nuts with the growth program, heavy body building doesn't go with big running games like footy. But 12 months on when they have reached their goal size, they have tapered off the muscle gain and now reaping the rewards of their size and not paying with soft tissue injuries. I look at players like Hibberd and Carlisle and think 'no'. What should have taken 4 preseasons has taken them 2. Hence they are reaping the rewards now.
