Tigers players take full responsibility for defeat (Age)

[big tone]

Did anyone see the 3 or 4 clips they showed on AFL 360 the other night of us losing those most recent close games of the last couple of years? There was a common denominator in all those clips and it was Houli. The sooner he is removed from our backline the better. HE ISNT A BACKMANS behindhole. He is a decent kick but surely his defending is an issue. He is often the lose man in our defense but only ever hurts the bottom sides. He panics and he is soft and hasn't got an aggressive bone in his body.

The Freo game was an obvious stuff up and possibly even the GC one but he was trying to protect the goal line (where the hell was the loose?!). Putting the blame on him for this recent one is a little stiff though. Can't recall the 4th one

Just stating he was the common denominator the the clips they showed.
Do you think he is a good defender? Simple question. 

[Hard Roar Tiger]

Blame is one thing, taking responsibility is another but at what point does anyone get held accountable for reoccurring mistakes?

Again every single one of them needs to take responsibility for their collective ineptitude, they all should be held to account, all of them

Starting at the top and going right through the collective

Agree. Honestly, you don't need a coach to teach players how to play in those circumstances.

The very definition of good coaching is to take the playing FROM where they are TO where they need to be in order to be successful.
The fact these same errors are getting made IS player related but is also coaching related and list management related  - the coaching issue it's a clear lack of effectiveness in developing a team.
And yet the accountability is hard to pin down as the club has given him a 3 season mandate to continue delivering a plateaued standard.

[Yeahright]

Did anyone see the 3 or 4 clips they showed on AFL 360 the other night of us losing those most recent close games of the last couple of years? There was a common denominator in all those clips and it was Houli. The sooner he is removed from our backline the better. HE ISNT A BACKMANS behindhole. He is a decent kick but surely his defending is an issue. He is often the lose man in our defense but only ever hurts the bottom sides. He panics and he is soft and hasn't got an aggressive bone in his body.

The Freo game was an obvious stuff up and possibly even the GC one but he was trying to protect the goal line (where the hell was the loose?!). Putting the blame on him for this recent one is a little stiff though. Can't recall the 4th one

Just stating he was the common denominator the the clips they showed.
Do you think he is a good defender? Simple question.

The issue is it isn't a simple question but here it goes keeping it as simple as possible. No he is not good at defending, probably not as bad as some people believe though. His rebounding out of defence is needed though and is generally reliable in that aspect.
So overall = average. Improve if we can but necessary atm.

[YellowandBlackBlood]

I'll go one step further. Houli's best position is wing. He has been asked to play a game that he is not a natural at because of his ability to run and carry and rebound. Yarran is in the same boat. He will provide even more run when fit but is even more suspect as a one on one defender than Houli. Both these guys should be playing defensive wing.  In other words, they should be running back hard to provide the rebound option when the ball goes into our back half without having to stay back permanently.  That way they both can provide that vital kick into our own inside 50 as they are probably two of the best kicks in the side, as well as being in position to kick goals themselves.

[Penelope]

Did you see how many set shots Houli missed?  Yep, lets blame him ... & only him ...

From memory his missed one on the run.
But missing goals and not defending them are exactly the same.

so that puts cotchin in the same bag as houli?

Anther stupid question.
Unusual.

oh, now that clarifies your comment completely

or about as much as expected anyway.

[Stalin]

Too soft for backline

Was he not a HFF / wing in juniors ?

[YellowandBlackBlood]

Too soft for backline

Was he not a HFF / wing in juniors ?

My point exactly.

[Stalin]

I was helping

[YellowandBlackBlood]

I was helping

[Yeahright]

Problem is wingers still have to work hard defensively. Can you trust Houli to do that?

[YellowandBlackBlood]

Problem is wingers still have to work hard defensively. Can you trust Houli to do that?

I think he has enough defensive qualities to do that. Just...

[Stalin]

Problem is wingers still have to work hard defensively. Can you trust Houli to do that?

Better to squib it on the wing than back pocket...

[Heart of Darkness]

If we're this concerned about Houli's defensive efforts I look forward to people seeing some of Yarran's attempts...

[Francois Jackson]

Problem is wingers still have to work hard defensively. Can you trust Houli to do that?

Better to squib it on the wing than back pocket...

limit the damage.

I like it. Make the move dimwit.