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Re: Who will be our challengers in 2021?
« Reply #135 on: June 21, 2021, 12:36:06 PM »
Absence makes the heart grow fonder.

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Gerard Whateley and David King have named their top four seeds in the AFL after Round 14.

Whateley's seedings

1. Melbourne

“They’re one until otherwise advised. Until they lose to a major team.”

2. Geelong

“Geelong’s at two for me.”

3. Western Bulldogs

“I’ve got the Dogs at three.”

4. Richmond

“I’ve got Richmond at four.”


King's seedings

1. Melbourne

“The Demons are clearly the best.”

2. Geelong

“They’re coming hard.

“I think their forward half game is something that most teams are going to struggle to stop.

“Even though the loss of (Mitch) Duncan is going to hit hard, they’ve had to leave players out of their 22 that most would have in as prime movers in their midfield.

“I think they made a little statement with Higgins at selection last week.”

3. Richmond

“They’ve been elevated without playing.”


4. Western Bulldogs

“I just want to see if they can hang in without (Adam) Treloar and (Josh) Dunkley for a bit longer, because I feel like they’re going to drop a game they shouldn’t.

“That’s in the back of my mind.”

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/06/21/whateley-and-king-rank-their-top-four-seeds-after-round-14/

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Re: Who will be our challengers in 2021?
« Reply #136 on: June 22, 2021, 01:57:36 PM »
Power Rankings: After Round 14

Max Laughton
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22 June 2021


1. GEELONG CATS (10-3, 127.7%) .................... Previous ranking: 4 (up three)
2. MELBOURNE (11-2, 132.2%) ........................ Previous ranking: 1 (down one)
3. WESTERN BULLDOGS (10-3, 144.7%) ........... Previous ranking: 3
4. BRISBANE LIONS (9-4, 128.4%) ................... Previous ranking: 2 (down two)
5. PORT ADELAIDE (9-4, 122.9%) ..................... Previous ranking: 5
6. WEST COAST EAGLES (8-5, 107.9%) ............. Previous ranking: 7 (up one)

7. RICHMOND (7-6, 105.3%) ............................ Previous ranking: 6 (down one)

Well, this is what everyone’s been waiting for. For the third straight season, the Tigers hit mid-season in the middle of the pack - 7-6 at the bye in 2019, 5-1-3 halfway through 2020. So this is where they go on a ridiculous run, sneak into the top four and win the flag again, right? Well, as we detailed in The Run Home on Sunday night, that’s a tougher task this year, not just because there are plenty of good teams above them but because they have a bigger gap to close. They’ve got three weeks to tune up and bank some wins against the lowly Saints, Suns and Magpies before the fortnight that could decide their season - MCG showdowns against Brisbane and Geelong. Lose both and they’re not making the top four.

8. SYDNEY SWANS (8-5, 108.1%) ..................... Previous ranking: 8
9. GWS GIANTS (6-6-1, 97.6%) ........................ Previous ranking: 10 (up one)
10. ESSENDON (6-7, 103%) ............................. Previous ranking: 9 (down one)
11. FREMANTLE (6-7, 91.4%) ........................... Previous ranking: 12 (up one)

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2021-afl-power-rankings-after-round-14-afl-analysis-stats-every-team-ranked-ladder-top-eight-predictions/news-story/40b0a0c06bfb0b9d69e6f2fbfc35641f

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Re: Who will be our challengers in 2021?
« Reply #137 on: June 23, 2021, 01:10:39 PM »
The Achilles heel: Why each top eight team can't win the flag

Rohan Connolly
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23 June 2021


So the bye rounds over, the AFL season is officially into the home stretch. And what a finish we have in front of us.

There's two very different teams sitting in the top two spots on the ladder in Melbourne and Western Bulldogs. A couple more still relative September "newbies" just behind them in Brisbane and Port Adelaide. Three more seasoned finals heavyweights in Geelong, West Coast and Richmond. And a real wildcard in Sydney.

If the composition of the top eight doesn't change (and I still suspect it won't), there'll be a real freshness about this finals campaign. No wonder premiership betting is so tight, Geelong and Melbourne equal favourites at $5, and three teams each paying $6, Brisbane, Richmond and the Bulldogs.

But for all the talk about a new finals look, I still can't help but wonder whether the last Saturday in September might leave us with a match-up we've seen before ... like just 11 months previously.

Everyone has their own methods of sorting out premiership probables from pretenders. A favourite of mine is to examine not the strengths of candidates, but potential finals weaknesses, an all-important Achilles heel which might leave a premiership campaign coming up short.

So here's the theory ...

Melbourne
The Demons have one of the best defences recent AFL football has seen, and the midfield is superbly balanced and tough. It's the forward group that still has the question mark. Tom McDonald, Bayley Fritsch and Kysaiah Pickett have been terrific. But just who will end up playing the other key position role? Sam Weideman has kicked just three goals in five games, and Ben Brown is struggling in the VFL. Are resting ruckmen Luke Jackson and Max Gawn enough support for McDonald? And can the Demons afford to carry an out-of-sorts Brown or Weideman in the heat of finals?

Western Bulldogs
No questions about midfield depth, particularly once Adam Treloar and Josh Dunkley return. The Dogs are potent up forward, too, No.1 for points scored. And the defence? While the Dogs have conceded second-fewest points in the competition, it's noteworthy that while they concede fewer inside 50s than any team, they only rank seventh for fewest opposition goals per inside 50. Do Zaine Cordy, Alex Keath and Ryan Gardner have the height and strength to deny the likes of Tom Lynch (who kicked 3.5 against them), Jack Riewoldt, Tom Hawkins and Jeremy Cameron when it counts?

Geelong
Weaknesses? Frankly, I'm not seeing any. The Cats' backline has been close to the best in the business for years, highly organised, great at negating, strong on the rebound. Their midfield is ranking No. 1 for contested possession for a third straight season, uncontested ball and clearances first and second respectively for a second season in a row. Even now without Mitch Duncan, though, it also looks a bit deeper and better balance for the run of Isaac Smith, Brandan Parfitt and Quinton Narkle. And it goes without saying the forward set-up plus Jeremy Cameron and a more consistent Gary Rohan, appears more dangerous.

Brisbane
This isn't a question so much of personnel or structure as venue. Brisbane is 5-1 at the Gabba this season. But it's only 4-3 away from there, including a victory only after the siren against Collingwood, and more-difficult-than-expected wins over strugglers Carlton and North Melbourne. As good as the Lions have been the past couple of years, their finals record is 1-3, and that's at home. It's going to be even tougher to win them away, and that's where the most important game of all is.

Port Adelaide
Simple question. Are the Power genuinely good enough to beat the very best when it matters most? You'd be forgiven for having your doubts. While their dispensing of Gold Coast last week was a 16th consecutive win over a bottom eight opponent, Port is 1-4 against top eight teams this season, decisive losses against West Coast and Brisbane away, and their home state advantage counting for little in two of their last three outings at Adelaide Oval against Western Bulldogs and Geelong.

Sydney
Despite still sitting sixth on the ladder, the Swans are clearly the most vulnerable member of the top eight, having gone 4-5 since their four straight wins to start the season. Their 38-point loss to Hawthorn last start was probably their worst effort yet, and even the two wins prior against a struggling St Kilda and Carlton were nothing to write home about. Youth and inexperience remains the big handicap in flag terms. Just 14 players on the list have played anything more than one final. Really, just appearing in one this season would be a bonus.

West Coast
There's no doubting the Eagles' flag capabilities with a full contingent of players. But arguably more than any other team, West Coast needs the cards to fall right in terms of finals position and fixturing. And that looks unlikely. A top-two spot is a long shot now, which means that to win a flag, the Eagles would need to win at least two finals away from home. Since its 2006 premiership, West Coast has played nine finals on the road and won two, one in extra time, and the other, famously, by five points. That's not particularly encouraging history.

Richmond
Personnel? Tick, with what was a lengthy injury list shrinking by the week, Tom Lynch and Toby Nankervis the only remaining first choice players on the sidelines. Hunger? It's a valid query, given Richmond is 7-6 and playing at its best more in bursts than with consistency. And the counter arguments? The Tigers were also 7-6 in 2019 before rattling off a dozen straight wins and a grand final romp by 89 points. And the bursts? Sure, they need to be sustained for longer. But can any other contender produce the sort of devastating blitz of seven goals in 16 minutes Richmond did three weeks ago? I doubt it.

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And the conclusion to which all this theorising arrives? Well, it is still June, after all. But if my life depended on correctly predicting the 2021 grand finalists right now, I'd be arriving at a match-up I'm sure most in football would be rolling their eyes about.

Yep, a re-match of last year between Geelong and Richmond. That's far from "sexy", obviously. But if nothing else, it would at least be the AFL paying appropriate homage to a famous line from French writer Jean-Baptiste Alphonse Karr: "The more things change, the more they stay the same".

https://www.espn.com/afl/story/_/id/31677215/afl-rohan-connolly-achilles-heel-why-top-eight-team-win-flag

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Re: Who will be our challengers in 2021?
« Reply #138 on: June 29, 2021, 01:02:10 AM »
Power Rankings after Round 15

Max Laughton
Fox Sports
June 29th, 2021


1. MELBOURNE (12-2, 131.4%) ................... Last week’s ranking: 2 (up one)
2. BRISBANE LIONS (10-4, 131.5%) ............ Last week’s ranking: 4 (up two)
3. GEELONG CATS (10-4, 120.6%) ............... Last week’s ranking: 1 (down two)
4. WESTERN BULLDOGS (11-3, 148.6%) ....... Last week’s ranking: 3 (down one)
5. PORT ADELAIDE (10-4, 122.2%) ............... Last week’s ranking: 5
6. SYDNEY SWANS (8-6, 106.6%) ................. Last week’s ranking: 8 (up two)
7. WEST COAST EAGLES (8-6, 106.6%) ......... Last week’s ranking: 6 (down one)

8. RICHMOND (7-7, 101.5%) ......................... Last week’s ranking: 7 (down one)

There are six quarters of evidence that 2021 Richmond is the Richmond everyone thinks it is: the dominant Round 5 thumping of St Kilda, and the second half against the Western Bulldogs. Otherwise this team is exactly what the ladder says it is - average. As many wins as they have losses, percentage almost even. Average. Yes, they’ve had injuries, but everyone has (maybe bar Melbourne). Can the Tigers still get it together and win the flag from the bottom half of the eight? Sure, at their absolute best. But their case is more reliant on faith than evidence at this point.

9. GWS GIANTS (6-7-1, 96.2%) .................. Last week’s ranking: 9
10. FREMANTLE (7-7, 93%) ........................ Last week’s ranking: 11 (up one)
11. ESSENDON (6-8, 101.9%) .................... Last week’s ranking: 10 (down one)
12. CARLTON (5-9, 91.4%) ......................... Last week’s ranking: 12

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2021-power-rankings-after-round-15-afl-analysis-every-team-ranked-stats-ladder-predictor-top-eight-predictions/news-story/f27ec08d2e3bcca4d850e33188208633

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Re: Who will be our challengers in 2021?
« Reply #139 on: June 30, 2021, 08:31:34 PM »
We've dropped to $9 in the premiership betting.
   
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Brisbane   5
Melbourne 5
Bulldogs    5
Geelong    5.50
Port Adel.  9
Richmond  9
West Coast 15
Sydney      41

https://www.sportsbet.com.au/betting/australian-rules/afl/afl-premiership-winner-2021-5456172

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Re: Who will be our challengers in 2021?
« Reply #140 on: July 01, 2021, 10:10:25 PM »
who would have thought it but gcs  are on the list.

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Re: Who will be our challengers in 2021?
« Reply #141 on: July 01, 2021, 10:23:22 PM »
Hope the Dogs win it from here now that we can't.... :shh
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Re: Who will be our challengers in 2021?
« Reply #142 on: July 01, 2021, 10:38:18 PM »
Challengers for the wooden spoon

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Re: Who will be our challengers in 2021?
« Reply #143 on: July 01, 2021, 10:44:25 PM »
Hope the Dogs win it from here now that we can't.... :shh

Stuff the dogs those little cheats that throw the ball and duck all game for frees. My most hated team and i wish them no success.

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Re: Who will be our challengers in 2021?
« Reply #144 on: July 01, 2021, 11:02:21 PM »
Or msybe the Bears ...but I'll take the Scraggers everyday over the Handbaggers, The MCC Toffs, The Swanettes, & Portingwood... :shh

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Re: Who will be our challengers in 2021?
« Reply #145 on: July 06, 2021, 04:16:37 PM »
AFL Power Rankings post-Rd 16

Max Laughton
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July 6th, 2021


1. BRISBANE LIONS (11-4, 134.7%) ........... Last week’s ranking: 2 (up one)
2. WESTERN BULLDOGS (12-3, 147.6%) ..... Last week’s ranking: 4 (up two)
3. GEELONG CATS (11-4, 123.4%) ............. Last week’s ranking: 3
4. MELBOURNE (12-3, 128.5%) ................. Last week’s ranking: 1 (down three)
5. PORT ADELAIDE (11-4, 124.4%) ............ Last week’s ranking: 5
6. SYDNEY SWANS (9-6, 114.5%) .............. Last week’s ranking: 6
7. WEST COAST EAGLES (8-7, 95.3%) ........ Last week’s ranking: 7
8. GWS GIANTS (7-7-1, 97.1%) ................. Last week’s ranking: 9 (up one)

9. RICHMOND (7-8, 100.6%) ..................... Last week’s ranking: 8 (down one)

We promise we didn’t put Richmond ninth on purpose - and that joke doesn’t even make sense any more; Melbourne, Hawthorn and St Kilda have all finished ninth twice since the Tigers did, and North has done it three times. It’s more a sign of how confused we are about this team. It wouldn’t surprise us at all if they got their act together, won five or six of their last seven games and played finals, and then gave Port Adelaide (or whoever) a real scare in their elimination final. That feels a bit more likely than this awful collapse continuing and the Tigers finishing something like 12th. But who knows? This team is one of the great mysteries of the rest of 2021.

10. ESSENDON (6-9, 98.7%) .................... Last week’s ranking: 11 (up one)
11. FREMANTLE (7-8, 92.2%) ................... Last week’s ranking: 10 (down one)
12. CARLTON (6-9, 93%) .......................... Last week’s ranking: 12
13. ST KILDA (7-8, 83.7%) ....................... Last week’s ranking: 15 (up two)

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2021-power-rankings-after-round-16-afl-analysis-every-team-ranked-stats-ladder-predictor-top-eight-news/news-story/84f8b7cb30b6a3ae0b87a2fa93e73ba9