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Re: Our tall stocks
« Reply #15 on: September 17, 2010, 10:52:05 AM »
How many talls will we take this year?

Current stocks:

Moore. Mcgaune. Riewoldt. Thursfield. Graham. Rance. Vickery. Astbury. Post. Browne. Griffiths. Gourdis. Grimes. Westhoff.

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Re: Our tall stocks
« Reply #16 on: September 18, 2010, 10:24:34 AM »
How many talls will we take this year?

Current stocks:

Moore. Mcgaune. Riewoldt. Thursfield. Graham. Rance. Vickery. Astbury. Post. Browne. Griffiths. Gourdis. Grimes. Westhoff.

I would not be surprised if we traded away one or two of our existing talls for picks.

And I reckon we will take another ruckman and replace the talls we trade away.


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Re: Our tall stocks
« Reply #17 on: September 18, 2010, 12:32:58 PM »
A thing not many people realise since Sandilands plays on the other side of the continent but Sandi didn't debut until he was 21 years old. Cox was much older maybe 24 (To be confirmed) Any criticsm of ruckman pre 21 not being AFL standard is a waste of time..

History stats like this give a good indication that you persist with our young ruckman Browne and Vickery.
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Re: Our tall stocks
« Reply #18 on: September 18, 2010, 12:37:22 PM »
A thing not many people realise since Sandilands plays on the other side of the continent but Sandi didn't debut until he was 21 years old. Cox was much older maybe 24 (To be confirmed) Any criticsm of ruckman pre 21 not being AFL standard is a waste of time..

History stats like this give a good indication that you persist with our young ruckman Browne and Vickery.

Your quite correct in that Rucks dont peak until 24.  Still you usually have a good idea before then if you want to keep them.

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Re: Our tall stocks
« Reply #19 on: September 19, 2010, 09:17:42 AM »
nah I reckon bout 23 or 25 personally.  Surely where not taking another ruck...  I can imagine a tall back / forward maybe..  We have enough rucks to work with imo.  They need time on the job now.
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Re: Our tall stocks
« Reply #20 on: September 19, 2010, 12:16:30 PM »
I would like two Rucks taken both in the rookie draft

1 australian kid 200cm
1 project African/eastern European

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Re: Our tall stocks
« Reply #21 on: September 20, 2010, 09:21:38 AM »
tidyman ya didn't bite!
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Re: Our tall stocks
« Reply #22 on: September 20, 2010, 06:18:35 PM »
I would like two Rucks taken both in the rookie draft

1 australian kid 200cm
1 project African/eastern European
I don't see the point, they all have to play for the same reserves team and we don't have the room on our list, or spots in the sides to develop so many ruckmen around the same age at once. Better to have a range of ruckmen of varying age and stages of development.
Interstate sides can farm all their ruckmen out to multiple local state league teams, where as Victorian clubs have their ruckmen only play with their affiliated side.

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Re: Our tall stocks
« Reply #23 on: September 22, 2010, 12:53:02 PM »
Collingwood Have two 204cm ruckman on the rookie list. One 20 the other 25 and one from America.

Plus wood, brown, Fraser all backing up number 1 ruckman jolly.

Apart from post we only have 3 real ruck options in vickery, browne, Graham all of whom are under 23 yoa.

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Re: Our tall stocks
« Reply #24 on: September 22, 2010, 03:18:00 PM »
Collingwood Have two 204cm ruckman on the rookie list. One 20 the other 25 and one from America.

Plus wood, brown, Fraser all backing up number 1 ruckman jolly.

Apart from post we only have 3 real ruck options in vickery, browne, Graham all of whom are under 23 yoa.
You've just highlighted my point perfectly
Collingwood have a variety of ruckman at different stages of development, all ours are under 23 years of age and that's only Graham, the next oldest is 20 (21 if you include Post)
By having most of their ruckmen at senior age it gives the younger rookies a chance to play a lot of game time in the ruck at VFL level. Ours can't do this as their spots are taken by the kids we are trying to fast track. Another 2 rookies under 21 years of age will just have them floundering at VFL reserves and a glut of players in front of them for an elevation to VFL seniors.

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Re: Our tall stocks
« Reply #25 on: September 22, 2010, 03:41:35 PM »
Collingwood Have two 204cm ruckman on the rookie list. One 20 the other 25 and one from America.

Plus wood, brown, Fraser all backing up number 1 ruckman jolly.

Apart from post we only have 3 real ruck options in vickery, browne, Graham all of whom are under 23 yoa.
You've just highlighted my point perfectly
Collingwood have a variety of ruckman at different stages of development, all ours are under 23 years of age and that's only Graham, the next oldest is 20 (21 if you include Post)
By having most of their ruckmen at senior age it gives the younger rookies a chance to play a lot of game time in the ruck at VFL level. Ours can't do this as their spots are taken by the kids we are trying to fast track. Another 2 rookies under 21 years of age will just have them floundering at VFL reserves and a glut of players in front of them for an elevation to VFL seniors.


richmond are shyte and collingwood are playing in the gf this week.

having 25 yoa, 29 yoa, 32 yoa ruckman going to do RFC any good?

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Re: Our tall stocks
« Reply #26 on: September 22, 2010, 03:54:04 PM »
I would play Vickery as a more permanent forward next season with short stints in the ruck like we did with Ottens, therefore I think we should be looking at a mature age mid 20's state league warrior type ruckman to shore up any potential holes in case of injury. That way it doesn't get too crowded between the 4 of them in our senior and coburg sides and they all get significant game time

I hope we can trade out 2 of McGuane/Moore/Thursfield/Rance and pump games into Gourdis, Astbury, Griffiths, Post, Rance(if he stays) Grimes and Vickery. Think we will have a much clearer picture of where we stand with most of these guys after another preseason and season of development.

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Re: Our tall stocks
« Reply #27 on: September 22, 2010, 05:25:52 PM »
Collingwood Have two 204cm ruckman on the rookie list. One 20 the other 25 and one from America.

Plus wood, brown, Fraser all backing up number 1 ruckman jolly.

Apart from post we only have 3 real ruck options in vickery, browne, Graham all of whom are under 23 yoa.
You've just highlighted my point perfectly
Collingwood have a variety of ruckman at different stages of development, all ours are under 23 years of age and that's only Graham, the next oldest is 20 (21 if you include Post)
By having most of their ruckmen at senior age it gives the younger rookies a chance to play a lot of game time in the ruck at VFL level. Ours can't do this as their spots are taken by the kids we are trying to fast track. Another 2 rookies under 21 years of age will just have them floundering at VFL reserves and a glut of players in front of them for an elevation to VFL seniors.


richmond are shyte and collingwood are playing in the gf this week.

having 25 yoa, 29 yoa, 32 yoa ruckman going to do RFC any good?
Where did I say we should get ruckmen of that age. I'm simply highlighting how Collingwood having these more mature ruckmen makes it easy for them to carry some young rucks on their rookie list. We don't have that luxury yet while all our rucks are still the same age as the juniors we'd be drafting. If there is one worth taking then do it, but don't take 2 young rucks just for the sake of it. It's about having balanced list management.

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Re: Our tall stocks
« Reply #28 on: September 24, 2010, 11:04:52 PM »
Scott Lycett (Port Adelaide Magpies, SA)
Height: 202cm, Weight: 95kg, DOB: 26/09/92
Strong-marking ruckman who is agile and super competitive. Team-oriented player who impressed with South Australia at under-18 level, averaging 17 hit-outs, 12 disposals and three marks.
Daniel Gorringe (Norwood, SA)
Height: 200cm, Weight: 92kg, DOB: 02/06/92
Gifted in the art of ruck work and a very athletic player who is strong overhead and dangerous near goal. Won All-Australian under-18 honours in 2010 averaging 21 hit-outs and 10 disposals.
Pat McCarthy (Glenelg, SA)
Height: 194cm, Weight: 84kg, DOB: 11/03/92
Pat is an athletic tall defender who can also go forward. He is a neat disposer of the ball and provides good rebound from defence. He won All-Australian under-18 honours this year where he averaged 17 disposals at 70 per cent efficiency.
Max Otten (Oakleigh Chargers, Vic)
Height: 193cm, Weight: 86kg, DOB: 10/11/92
Max is a left-footed tall defender who reads the game very well and makes good decisions with the ball. He provides good run from defence and played for Vic Metro in the under-18 championships.

Seb Tape (Glenelg, SA)
Height: 191cm, Weight: 85kg, DOB: 06/08/92
Seb is an athletic tall defender with excellent closing speed and a competitive edge. He is very good one on one and below his knees. He captained South Australia in the under-18 championships this year.

Matthew Watson (Calder Cannons, Vic)
Height: 195cm, Weight: 98kg, DOB: 16/07/92
Matthew is a left-footed tall defender with a penetrating kick and is strong in the air. He is composed with the ball in his hands and had a consistent under-18 championships, winning All-Australian honours and averaging 19 disposals and five marks.
Lucas Cook (North Ballarat, Vic)
Height: 194cm, Weight: 82kg, DOB: 3/3/92
Lucas is a tall forward who reads the game well and has sure hands.  He is a mobile player who can go back and makes good decisions.  He received Under-18 All Australian honours in 2010 and averaged 14 disposals and kicked nine goals at the Under-18 Championships.

Jack Darling (West Perth, WA)
Height: 191cm, Weight: 94kg, DOB: 16/6/92
Jack is an athletic tall forward who attacks the ball with ferocity and is strong overhead. He provides excellent defensive pressure in the forward 50.  He was named in the Under-18 All Australian team in 2009 and again provided an excellent marking target up forward for Western Australia in 2010.

Sam Day (Sturt, SA)
Height: 195cm, Weight: 94kg, DOB: 6/9/92
Sam is a high-leaping tall forward who can take contested marks and is skilful on the right and left side. He represented South Australia at the under-18 championships in 2010, winning All Australian honours.
Tom Lynch (Dandenong Stingrays, Vic)
Height: 196cm, Weight: 90kg, DOB: 31/10/92
Tom is a strong marking tall forward with terrific work-rate and ability at ground level.  He was impressive for Vic Country in Under-18 championships, where he averaged 13 disposals and four marks.

Luke Mitchell (Calder Cannons, Vic)
Height: 196cm, Weight: 96kg, DOB: 28/2/92
Luke is a tall forward/defender with strong contested marking ability. He is dangerous around goals and presents well on the lead. He missed the under-18 championships due to shoulder surgery but is now back in the TAC Cup.
Jake Von Bertouch (Woodville West Torrens, SA)
Height: 192cm, Weight: 80kg, DOB: 4/5/92
Jake is a tall forward who is quick on the lead and accurate in front of goal. He has strong hands and is team orientated. He represented South Australia in the under-18 championships this year.

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Re: Our tall stocks
« Reply #29 on: September 25, 2010, 12:27:38 AM »
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But Tape looks like a good pick   :yep