NAB Cup 2010

[mightytiges]

North Melbourne

31: Harvey (269)
29: Jones (155)
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28: Harding (129), Rawlings (201)
27: Petrie (176), Pratt (98 ), Firrito (127)
26:
25: Hale (117), McIntosh (79)
24: McMahon (41)
23: Thompson (28 ), Campbell (47)
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22: Lower (34), Swallow (62), Anthony (10), Adams (8 )
21: Urquhart (32), Goldstein (16), Hansen (29), Ross (12), Warren (9), Greenwood (11), Gartlett (5)
20: Tarrant (-)
19: Wright (4), Ziebell (10)

Looking at that list, reminds me of a Richmond list of the past 10 or so years.  A couple of older A graders, some older battlers who will keep young guys out of the side and stunt their development and some young guys who look promising.  I reckon if they can get their older guys on the park every week, they could be in line for a mid table finish.  Perhaps in 10 years time, Ninthmond will be a thing of the past and Ninth Melbourne will be the new reference.

I agree TT. North have said they're not rebuilding and it seems Scott is going all out for wins straight away even in the NAB Cup with the same old senior players who have continually let them down in the past 5 years. I guess when they have the lowest membership tally by far North can't afford a proper rebuild.

They do have a 20 year old and under group but most of them haven't played a game yet.

20: Tarrant (-), Delaney# (-), Meredith# (-)
19: Benjamin (-), Wright (4), O'Keefe (-), Black (-), Ziebell (10), Speight# (-), White# (-), Daw# (-), Scott# (-)
18: Bastinac (-), Cunnington (-), MacMillan (-), Kennedy (-), Norris (-)

I just don't see the class in their playing list to end up genuine contenders in the next few years. "Shinboner spirit" doesn't win flags.

[WA Tiger]

The thing about the Roos is that they were very hard at the ball for four qtrs of football, well bar the lapse when the Cats got a sniff. We were the same for the first 15 minutes of the game against the Hawks but we just couldn't break through and the crap decisions really turned the tide in that game and I think the boys lost a bit faith.

The Dee's, well, they just didn't seem to much going on at all.

[torch]

i think Dean Bailey and Mark Harvey are in the gun this year.

i don't think Melbourne will win more then five matches, so Bailey's record will be 66 matches for less then 10-12 wins.

i think it isn't him, but Melbourne's list.

Melbourne list "IMO" is still 2013-2014 for finals.

i don't think Bailey is going to last that long.

Fremantle, are similar "IMO", maybe a year earlier for finals.

us? i am not sure, i don't think we are as bad as some people think.

new coach, new match plan, new attitude, we could be two years away from finals?

North Melbourne are interesting!

it is a practice match they won, but it is fantastic for them, they need to keep winning for their survival.

i am happy we are playing Geelong, even though it is a practice match, we need practice against teams that are the benchmark of the competition.

however, we risk getting smashed and loosing confidence.

St Kilda and Adelaide next after Geelong!

the four teams Hardwick mentioned as having the best defencive tactics.

 

[mightytiges]

North's defensive skills and discipline are far superior to ours (ain't everyone's ) so they don't mind a grinding dogfight - see their win choking Essendon early last year. Last year they were too one-paced across the ground and too one-dimensional up forward. When Hale has to play FF then good luck  .  They lack class matchwinners to push too far up the ladder but an injury-free run could easily see them finish mid-ladder (there'll be a number of crap teams this year below the top half-dozen IMO). Their better players are just good B-graders. Harvey is still their classiest player (A-grader) and he's close to retirement. Let's see where they and us are in 3 years time. As I said they can have their mid-ladder year with its ordinary picks and we'll happily accept pick 4 to add another young gun.

[torch]

North's defensive skills and discipline are far superior to ours (ain't everyone's ) so they don't mind a grinding dogfight - see their win choking Essendon early last year. Last year they were too one-paced across the ground and too one-dimensional up forward. When Hale has to play FF then good luck  .  They lack class matchwinners to push too far up the ladder but an injury-free run could easily see them finish mid-ladder (there'll be a number of crap teams this year below the top half-dozen IMO). Their better players are just good B-graders. Harvey is still their classiest player (A-grader) and he's close to retirement. Let's see where they and us are in 3 years time. As I said they can have their mid-ladder year with its ordinary picks and we'll happily accept pick 4 to add another young gun.

so MT, pick 4 means 16th? is that good for our young Cubs? what about 6th pick finishing 15th? or do you think it is better that after Round 16, if we can make the finals, go for it? or "Tank" after Round 16?

 

[mightytiges]

North's defensive skills and discipline are far superior to ours (ain't everyone's ) so they don't mind a grinding dogfight - see their win choking Essendon early last year. Last year they were too one-paced across the ground and too one-dimensional up forward. When Hale has to play FF then good luck  .  They lack class matchwinners to push too far up the ladder but an injury-free run could easily see them finish mid-ladder (there'll be a number of crap teams this year below the top half-dozen IMO). Their better players are just good B-graders. Harvey is still their classiest player (A-grader) and he's close to retirement. Let's see where they and us are in 3 years time. As I said they can have their mid-ladder year with its ordinary picks and we'll happily accept pick 4 to add another young gun.

so MT, pick 4 means 16th? is that good for our young Cubs? what about 6th pick finishing 15th? or do you think it is better that after Round 16, if we can make the finals, go for it? or "Tank" after Round 16?

 

We won't make the finals this year  and finishing mid-ladder just outside the top eight in 9th-11th would be a disaster given where we are at still needing another clean out of our list and another injection of classy juniors.

I don't think it will come down to us having to tank for the simple reason we can't expect an inexperienced team of 23 year olds and mostly unders to win too many games this year anyway. It's going to be a tough year to take  but we knew that already as does Hardwick. Yeah pick 6 (=15th) is okay although it's been a "cursed" top 10 pick over time for some bizarre reason  .

[the claw]

not many comments on the roos cats game. i would suggest if people think north will be easy beats for us they think again, and yeah it was just a nab cup game.

North will be ahead of us initially as they still have quite a few mature players in their best 22 to win games. They had 10 guys 24 years old or above in their NAB side compared to just our 4  . The quality individually within their 10 would exceed our 4 as well. So much for our senior core  . Then add the fact we played 8 guys under 21 playing compared to North's 3. I'm not knocking North's win but just showing why they will be ahead of us for the next 2 years.

Let's see where both sides are at in say 3 years time when North will have lost a third of their current best 22 to retirement. I hope they overachieve in the next couple of years and end up with poor draft picks for finishing mid-ladder in an era where the new teams will be hogging the first round of the draft.

North Melbourne

31: Harvey (269)
29: Jones (155)
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28: Harding (129), Rawlings (201)
27: Petrie (176), Pratt (98 ), Firrito (127)
26:
25: Hale (117), McIntosh (79)
24: McMahon (41)
23: Thompson (28 ), Campbell (47)
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22: Lower (34), Swallow (62), Anthony (10), Adams (8 )
21: Urquhart (32), Goldstein (16), Hansen (29), Ross (12), Warren (9), Greenwood (11), Gartlett (5)
20: Tarrant (-)
19: Wright (4), Ziebell (10)


Richmond

28: Tuck (110)
27: Newman (154)
26: Moore (65)
25: Polak# (108 )
24:
23: Polo (52), Thomson (30), Morton (50), Tambling (95)
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22: Deledio (106), Graham (18 ), White (54), Nahas (19)
21: Hislop (19), Collins (10), Connors (10), Edwards (47), Riewoldt (46), Gourdis# (-)
20: Post (7), Rance (15), Farmer (3), Nason (-)
19: Cotchin (25), Vickery (9), Astbury (-)
18: Martin (-)


nb. Age (current number of AFL games) - Round 1, 2010

thats a little cheeky mt. wheres norths recruits from this yr many think they klilled the 09 draft. sheesh cunnington bastinac who i liked at  pick 19. black  macmillan kennedy norris. plus rookie picks that included the  athletically gifted daw.

nm have a total of 8 players on their list who are  26 or older.  so in 3 yrs they will have 8  who may be past their best.that is  29 and over  over and well into the back end of  their careers  or gone.  
 the rfc have 7 in exactly the same boat.
rich have  29 players 22 or under  including rookies  guess what  nm have the same number.
 in 3 yrs time it will be down to who has drafted best and not just with early picks. imo north will have just as many players in the 23 thru 28 bracket as we will, if not more as i believe  we have heaps of glass half full types to get rid of still.

[Infamy]

There's nothing cheeky about it, he only listed the 26 players from each side in Round 1 of the NAB cup

[the claw]

There's nothing cheeky about it, he only listed the 26 players from each side in Round 1 of the NAB cup

fair enough my bad.
still when predicting what may happen to a team  in 3 yrs time and comparing them to another team you look at the entire list.

[Penelope]

claw, the one thing I notice is that there is a constant with your posts in the concentration on the individuals, rather than the team. The difference between NM and us in three years time could very well be down to the coaches. A team with the right attitude and a sound, appropriate game plan, where everyone knows their job and performs it well, can overcome , to a certain degree, player deficiencies.

The old adage that a champion team will beat a team of champions will always ring true.

[Stripes]

The older players in Norths side are still crucial to their success and remain in the top bracket of talent in their club whereas other than Newman and perhaps Cousins, our older players are not in that same talent range. Most of the Tigers best players at the moment are our kids whereas Norths are mid to older. Both have a many potential talented players coming through but any success we achieve in the near future will be built on the back of our youth which will hold us in better stead in the future while North is still attempting to get games into their younger brigade.

[tiga]

Re last weeks match between StKilda and Collingwood, did anyone see the Saints runner who got poleaxed by a Pies player??
I'm certain this guy used to sit in the box with Frawley when he coached us. Does anyone remember his name??

LMAOO anyway!! 

[Penelope]

Dont know his name but he gave away a free kick a bit earlier for being where he shouldnt have been.  Good awareness about him, for sure 

[jackstar is back again]

Re last weeks match between StKilda and Collingwood, did anyone see the Saints runner who got poleaxed by a Pies player??
I'm certain this guy used to sit in the box with Frawley when he coached us. Does anyone remember his name??

LMAOO anyway!! 

Tony Walsh, he is a great fella actually.
Went from us to the Bulldogs where he did the running and the board on the bench.
Then went to Saints with Ross Lyon.
Top fella is Walshy.
By the way, he was sacked by the tiges

[Penelope]

Carl Peterson has shown a little bit so far tonight. Will be interesting to see whether it is a flash in the pan. Richo said that he he was too young and immature for AFL when he was at Richmond. Interesting comments.