Contoversial Topic #1 - Global Warming & Carbon Emissions Trading

[tiga]

It's scientific fact that Dire Straits are shyte.

Dire Straits first four albums were brilliant. Telegraph road is an absolute classic song both lyrically and musically. it was when they went "twistin' by the pool" when they went off the rails for me.

[dwaino]

Can't say I'm a big fan myself, but Sultan's of Swing is one of the holy grails of the guitar. Play that note for note from memory and you're on your way to being a legend. Huge respect.

[tiga]

Can't say I'm a big fan myself, but Sultan's of Swing is one of the holy grails of the guitar. Play that note for note from memory and you're on your way to being a legend. Huge respect.

dwaino have a listen to the guitar in telegraph road. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8sLmx2Oz6Y If you love guitar check out Mark Knopfler ripping it up from the 10 minute mark.

[dwaino]

Yep great playing eat em alive and myself quite the guitar junkies. He has the better rig though 

[mightytiges]

NASA, NOAA Find 2014 Warmest Year in Modern Record.

The 10 warmest years in the instrumental record, with the exception of 1998, have now occurred since 2000. This trend continues a long-term warming of the planet, according to an analysis of surface temperature measurements by scientists at NASA’s Goddard Institute of Space Studies (GISS) in New York.

http://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/news/20150116/

Global Temperature anomaly graph 1880-2014: http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/Fig.A2.pdf

[tiga]

what annoys me most is the greens demanding that we reduce green house gasses yet they refuse to consider nuclear energy. 

[mightytiges]

what annoys me most is the greens demanding that we reduce green house gasses yet they refuse to consider nuclear energy. 

Nuclear fission is quite 'old-school' technology these days. It was also mentioned by the Howard government that it would take roughly 25 years for Australia to fully convert to nuclear. The future of nuclear is the holy grail of nuclear fusion reactors which in theory produce far less radioactive waste and won't meltdown with massive environmental and economic consequences to the local area. I remember a CSIRO report a couple of years ago where Hydrogen-generated energy was listed as part of Australia's long-term future energy market make-up along with the usual 'greenie' renewables such as solar, wind, thermal, etc. So I wouldn't discount nuclear (fusion) as being part of the long-term plan to reduce greenhouse gases.

The main political opposition to nuclear is moreso the NIMBY factor. Most people are happy to have major projects built provided it's not anywhere near them . Also the best location for a nuclear reactor is actually near a desalination plant such as at Wonthaggi in Victoria which is in a Coalition-held seat. So I can't see any side of politics supporting it and risking the electoral backlash in their own seats. 

[tony_montana]

http://theconversation.com/the-tesla-battery-heralds-the-beginning-of-the-end-for-fossil-fuels-41197

This sounds brilliant and doesnt seem like its just a pipe dream

[dwaino]

Yeah it is really isn't it, TM. I owe my very job to Tesla (the man) and have always been a massive fan. If it wasn't for Edison and General Electric shafting Tesla then these sorts of innovations would have been realised decades ago.

[Penelope]

i'm not getting too excited yet, they are still using known technology L-ion which does not have a long life. no mention is made of the expected lifespan of these batteries, which has to be taken into account when talking cost as well as environmental impact.

[dwaino]

Cells and batteries also don't put out enough power (actual power as in p=VI) to run or sustain motors, but ideas like these are great for powering things like lighting and low power appliances such as TV's and stuff.

[1965]

According to a nutcase Liberal adviser...

Climate change a UN-led ruse, says Tony Abbott's business adviser Maurice Newman

Date May 8, 2015 - 10:34AM

Lisa Cox
National political reporter

Climate change is a hoax led by the United Nations so that it can end democracy and impose authoritarian rule, according to Prime Minister Tony Abbott's chief business adviser.

Maurice Newman, the chairman of the Prime Minister's business advisory council, has written in The Australian that scientific modelling showing the link between humans and climate change is wrong and the real agenda is a world takeover for the UN.

http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/climate-change-a-unled-ruse-says-tony-abbotts-business-adviser-maurice-newman-20150508-ggwuzt.html

[1965]

Take these two articles together and get really scared.

 

Kevin Rudd, Prime Minister in exile
 
Date May 9, 2015 - 12:15AM 

James Massola 
Political correspondent
   
Former prime minister Kevin Rudd has quit political life in Australia to take up a position as inaugural head of the Asia Society Policy Institute in New York. But observers say it's the post of UN Secretary General that really interests him. By James Massola.

http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/kevin-rudd-prime-minister-in-exile-20150508-ggv0no.html

According to a nutcase Liberal adviser...

Climate change a UN-led ruse, says Tony Abbott's business adviser Maurice Newman

Date May 8, 2015 - 10:34AM

Lisa Cox
National political reporter

Climate change is a hoax led by the United Nations so that it can end democracy and impose authoritarian rule, according to Prime Minister Tony Abbott's chief business adviser.

Maurice Newman, the chairman of the Prime Minister's business advisory council, has written in The Australian that scientific modelling showing the link between humans and climate change is wrong and the real agenda is a world takeover for the UN.

http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/climate-change-a-unled-ruse-says-tony-abbotts-business-adviser-maurice-newman-20150508-ggwuzt.html

[🏅Dooks]

No one is of more wasted humanity than a right wing conspiracy theorist. NO ONE

[Zlatan]

isa Cox
National political reporter

Climate change is a hoax led by the United Nations so that it can end democracy and impose authoritarian rule,:facepalm according to Prime Minister Tony Abbott's chief business adviser.

Maurice Newman, the chairman of the Prime Minister's business advisory council, has written in The Australian that scientific modelling showing the link between humans and climate change is wrong and the real agenda is a world takeover for the UN.

democracy... ,  or ultra consumer-capitalism resource raping without limits?