Answer me this.

[Ox]

Why would u have any faith in a list who lacked the intestinal fortitude to continue thru the season without crying about their coach? (Again)

They're pathetic as a team and as adult men.

Unaccountable,lazy and intellectually challenged.

The offspring of former leaders,Bowden,Brown,Richo - LMAOOO

[Danog]

Ox, I can tolerate you berating some of the people on our list, but now it's just stupid whining.  pee off if you don't have faith in our list.

[mat073]

We have just seen 14 changes to the playing list....if that doesn't put the fear of god into some players-nothing will.

[mightytiges]

Why would u have any faith in a list who lacked the intestinal fortitude to continue thru the season without crying about their coach? (Again)

They're pathetic as a team and as adult men.

Unaccountable,lazy and intellectually challenged.

The offspring of former leaders,Bowden,Brown,Richo - LMAOOO

Would say the dissatisfaction with the coach went higher than just between the coach and players. If a coach doesn't have 100% Board support he's a sitting duck. First Miller who was Terry's chief supporter was given the flick and then March saying it was finals or bust for Terry's coaching career. Given March also said that decision would be made in the middle of the season meant we had the media with their gunsites aimed at Punt Rd. After the round 1 debacle it was no stop 'when will Wallace get fired' until he 'stepped down'/was finally pushed.

As for the players - well the huge cull probably followed by another one next year will turnover the list quickly and hopefully set in motion under Hardwick a major cultural change as those with a weak or selfish mentality as pushed out the door. The coach needs to turnover the list quickly from the word go while he is in his honeymoon period and has 100% Board and club support to offset any initial lack of success.

[MADTIGER2010]

Why would u have any faith in a list who lacked the intestinal fortitude to continue thru the season without crying about their coach? (Again)

They're pathetic as a team and as adult men.

Unaccountable,lazy and intellectually challenged.

The offspring of former leaders,Bowden,Brown,Richo - LMAOOO

Only the older blokes would have made the decision to approach Wallace. Just look at the form Rounds 5-18 of last year to get an indication of the capabilities of the 2010 list 

[bojangles17]

i could argue they had the balls to stand up to the tyranny, oppression and crimes against humanity perpertrated against the RFC...takes a man to stand against the tide...I applaud them

[FNM]

i could argue they had the balls to stand up to the tyranny, oppression and crimes against humanity perpertrated against the RFC...takes a man to stand against the tide...I applaud them

The tail should not wag the doggy though
And if I was the next coach I'd give them the flick as soon as I got in to show them they're not going to do the same to me
Ancient history now, but they are dogs of the highest order and untrustworthy
FFS what has Jake King ever done that was so brilliant he could ever possibly have a go at someone else's credibility
He doesn't have Wallace this year so I expect big things from him.  If not, there'll be no coach he can sook about
And hopefully he'll be out the door by the end of the year
We don't need players running our club!
It's bad enough the President's men and other coteries thinking they know everything without the players doing something like that
That little exercise by the players was a wasted one because Wallace would have been gone anyway

[Penelope]

i could argue they had the balls to stand up to the tyranny, oppression and crimes against humanity perpertrated against the RFC...takes a man to stand against the tide...I applaud them

The tail should not wag the doggy though
And if I was the next coach I'd give them the flick as soon as I got in to show them they're not going to do the same to me
Ancient history now, but they are dogs of the highest order and untrustworthy
FFS what has Jake King ever done that was so brilliant he could ever possibly have a go at someone else's credibility
He doesn't have Wallace this year so I expect big things from him.  If not, there'll be no coach he can sook about
And hopefully he'll be out the door by the end of the year
We don't need players running our club!
It's bad enough the President's men and other coteries thinking they know everything without the players doing something like that
That little exercise by the players was a wasted one because Wallace would have been gone anyway

After smashing the pies in the '80 GF Richmond were going to dominate the 80's. 82 saw us loose a GF we should have won and by the end of 83 the coach had resigned due to pressure from the playing group. It was them or the coach, so the coach left. That was the start of the rot that we have had to endure for for nearly 30 years. A football club is not some dysfunctional hippie commune where every one has a say, there is a heirachy, and the players are the foot solders. When they start calling the shots it all goes to poo. FNM you're on the money here.

[tony_montana]

time will tell whether Hardwick is allowed to eradicate this or whether the board get itchy feet and neck him before his time

[Smokey]

FFS what has Jake King ever done that was so brilliant he could ever possibly have a go at someone else's credibility
He doesn't have Wallace this year so I expect big things from him.  If not, there'll be no coach he can sook about
And hopefully he'll be out the door by the end of the year

I thought I read somewhere after all this blew over that Jake King actually had nothing to do with it and was falsely represented as being a part of the 'hit squad'.  I could very well be wrong but I just have this recollection and I can't recall where I read it.

[Fishfinger]

FFS what has Jake King ever done that was so brilliant he could ever possibly have a go at someone else's credibility
He doesn't have Wallace this year so I expect big things from him.  If not, there'll be no coach he can sook about

http://www.theage.com.au/news/rfnews/king-could-sue-over-role-in-coach-saga/2009/05/23/1242498972764.html

[Fishfinger]

After smashing the pies in the '80 GF Richmond were going to dominate the 80's. 82 saw us loose a GF we should have won and by the end of 83 the coach had resigned due to pressure from the playing group. It was them or the coach, so the coach left.

A bit more to it than that.
The players were walking out starting the end of 1982 and included our captain, our triple premiership wingman and our B&F from the 2 previous years.

I would have thought trying to hammer out problems by talking might be a good way to try to resolve them or at least stop them from worsening.

As to the meeting last season, has anyone got some actual facts about what was said to Wallace and who said it? Maybe something as proof that it was anything improper to back up the allegations and character assassinations?

[FNM]

FFS what has Jake King ever done that was so brilliant he could ever possibly have a go at someone else's credibility
He doesn't have Wallace this year so I expect big things from him.  If not, there'll be no coach he can sook about

http://www.theage.com.au/news/rfnews/king-could-sue-over-role-in-coach-saga/2009/05/23/1242498972764.html

Separated at birth

[yellowandback]

After smashing the pies in the '80 GF Richmond were going to dominate the 80's. 82 saw us loose a GF we should have won and by the end of 83 the coach had resigned due to pressure from the playing group. It was them or the coach, so the coach left.

A bit more to it than that.
The players were walking out starting the end of 1982 and included our captain, our triple premiership wingman and our B&F from the 2 previous years.

I would have thought trying to hammer out problems by talking might be a good way to try to resolve them or at least stop them from worsening.

As to the meeting last season, has anyone got some actual facts about what was said to Wallace and who said it? Maybe something as proof that it was anything improper to back up the allegations and character assassinations?

he was definately asked to resign (or words to that effect) by a section of players within the club.
I thought it was a hutchy beat up but sadly it happened.

[Penelope]

After smashing the pies in the '80 GF Richmond were going to dominate the 80's. 82 saw us loose a GF we should have won and by the end of 83 the coach had resigned due to pressure from the playing group. It was them or the coach, so the coach left.

A bit more to it than that.
The players were walking out starting the end of 1982 and included our captain, our triple premiership wingman and our B&F from the 2 previous years.

I would have thought trying to hammer out problems by talking might be a good way to try to resolve them or at least stop them from worsening.

As to the meeting last season, has anyone got some actual facts about what was said to Wallace and who said it? Maybe something as proof that it was anything improper to back up the allegations and character assassinations?

Did wood raines and cloke all walk out because of some dissatisfaction with the coach, or was it more to do with the big money those black and white scum were offering, or a combination of both? My understanding is that the problem between Bourke and the Players was he trained them too hard. The poor Prima donnas.! I Know it's easy in hindsight, but if that was the sole, or even the main reason, then the board should have stepped in and told the softie players in question to get on their bike, backing the coach all the way. To allow the players to hold the club to ransom in such a way allows an unhealthy culture to set in in. One that sees you in the football wilderness for nearly three decades.

Your right about trying to resolve any disharmony by discussing things, as long as that does not include the players putting down some sort of ultimatium. If there is a problem with the coach, it's up to the board to recognise this and take the appropriate actions, not the players.

As for the supposed events last year, my comments were not aimed at any individual involved in that specifically, just in general that the players should not be able to force the hiring and firing of the coach. If there was any players trying to assert such an influence, we really have no knowledge or proof of such, as you say.

Hardwick will know though!